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this is NOT the Dagon fight that Ben 10 fans remember

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NoxiMation

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Күн бұрын

➤I asked the Ben 10 community why they thought the Dagon fight missed the mark. Their answers were very simple. Ultimate Alien ended an arc with seemingly so much buildup by giving us a finale that isn’t visually impressive, isn’t narratively cohesive, and is only satisfying to long-term fans in brief, fleeting moments. We’ve had rushed arc endings before, yes. But it seemed like the visions of those arcs were being suppressed by Cartoon Network. The Dagon arc's climax felt like it just didn’t HAVE a vision. So, is there any way to salvage this?
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@doctorleak5312
@doctorleak5312 Ай бұрын
As good as that scarf is to that design vilgax would immediately pull it
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Lmao
@Dany-rx7rs
@Dany-rx7rs Ай бұрын
😮😅
@user-zv9es6so8u
@user-zv9es6so8u Ай бұрын
Theres a Pivot/Stick man fight where Ben yses his Ascalon armored Aliens and even Alien X against Dagax. If that stick fight was animated with your designs it would’ve been dope
@phenomenon777
@phenomenon777 25 күн бұрын
Yo can you share the link please? I'd like to see the fan animation
@user-zv9es6so8u
@user-zv9es6so8u 25 күн бұрын
@@phenomenon777 Channel:Hingle Bingle. Ben vs Vilgax Finale Remastered
@phenomenon777
@phenomenon777 22 күн бұрын
@@user-zv9es6so8u Thank you brother
@Andrew-Bastin
@Andrew-Bastin Ай бұрын
The main issue with the finale is the pacing, it’s a three part finale but the first two parts wastes far too much time with needless padding leaving no time for the last part to properly conclude the story. An easy fix would be to condense the first two parts into a single episode and split the last part into two separate episodes, one episode to fully showcase Dagon as a threat and the next dealing with Vilgax’s betrayal and the conflict between Ascalon Ben and Dagon Vilgax. With better pacing the finale could’ve delivered on all the set up and given characters a proper conclusion.
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Great analysis
@AhmedHussain-ju6xd
@AhmedHussain-ju6xd Ай бұрын
*sees your art* "GET THIS MAN AN ANIMATED STUDIO"
@michaeloj126
@michaeloj126 Ай бұрын
@@AhmedHussain-ju6xd FACT!!!!
@ahaha272
@ahaha272 Ай бұрын
The fact that heatblast couldn't lay a scratch on classic vilgax but was doing work to Dagon vilgax always was so stupid to me
@langadube9611
@langadube9611 Ай бұрын
Well let's put it like this is a 10 year old as strong as a 16 year old. Ben's Aliens are only peak their age. And all the aliens in the OG series as strong as they were were just kids.
@mihaiioc.3809
@mihaiioc.3809 18 күн бұрын
@@langadube9611 If Vilgax was a human, Dagon would have been a giant in this narrative. Yeah, sure a 10-year-old gets his ass handed every time he tries to fight a 16-year-old, but I don't think either of them would lay a finger on a giant. Also, even if aliens get stronger once ben gets older, it's not that all attributes scale with that. For example, humans are as weak to piercing and slashing damage at age 10 as they are at age 16 because the skin won't get much thicker. This could be the case for pyronites, maybe they reach the same level of heat, or close enough to not matter, I mean classic Heat Blast melts metals and asphalt with ease, why would a species need more heat than that?
@moonflower595
@moonflower595 17 күн бұрын
​@@mihaiioc.3809 I mean in all fairness of your last point we see that even baby/juvenile Heatblast could easily melt metals and asphalt with ease. And even be called a mini "supernova"; hyperbole or not the heat we see even him give off kinda gives of the implication that whatever pryorites do or need such heat for on their home planet is not something as measly as melting minerals.
@dusanstojsin4938
@dusanstojsin4938 Ай бұрын
I would love to see at least a Pivot animation of Ben and Vilgax flying around while Ben switches between his Ultimate forms and them breaking the dimension. (btw, remember Pivot animations? I used to watch those a lot when I was a kid lol)
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
That was my childhood
@morales7379
@morales7379 Ай бұрын
Just search ''Ben 10 Vilgax vs Ben 10 Pivot'' in youtube. Something Similar is there.
@ethangnasher3848
@ethangnasher3848 Ай бұрын
Imagine a Sukuna vs Mahoraga but is Ben vs Vilgax, now that would be hella dope.
@mihaiioc.3809
@mihaiioc.3809 18 күн бұрын
YOU CAN SEE IT TENNYSON! YOU CAN SEE MY CURSED TECHNIQUE!
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
0:32 those arks still are good. They should’ve made a couple animated movies after each season like with classic and reboot.
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Facts
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
@@NoxiMation know it was so wrong for the other three shows not to get their animated movies, and it would’ve been perfect, but I plan to make them in the future kind of like the new studio eclipse and studio Archie berserk’s
@cobaltprime9467
@cobaltprime9467 Ай бұрын
I like the idea of Ascalon and the Ultamatrix synchronizing. Although the Ultamatrix was a creation of Albedo it had an Omnitrix core created by Azmuth. So it’s fitting that the 2 creations of Azmuth can connect in some way. And that it takes George’s armor and upgrades it into “Omni-Armor” is so cool. Side Theory: The Ultimatrix was never suppose to evolve aliens. It was just the project name for a new power source for the Omnitrix. That crystal thing we see Albedo get in OV. Azmuth deemed it inferior and shelved the project. It was Albedo that turned it into an evolution device. Which is why it came with its own drawbacks like limited power and the sentience glitch. That’s why Azmuth criticized it when he first saw it. I also greatly prefer having Ben age for Omniverse. The timeline makes NO sense with him still being 16. He at least should be 17. I had 2 ideas for a future Ben series when he’s 18 or in college. Like actual college. I hated that they just took him out of school at 16 and he got an honorary degree (a doctorate iirc). I reject the idea that ALL the Forever Knights died (except for like 4). I think there would be a schism after the Dagon War. Knights that were loyal to the Old Ways of stealing alien tech and using it to hunt aliens, and Knights that followed George and became guardians against Eldritch forces like Dagon. Since George and Ben were allies in the final battle, they’d probably swear loyalty to Ben. Thus they called themselves the “Omni-Knights.” And had secretly been researching the Dagon and the world he came from. Learning of all the other horrors threatening their world. They intended on handling the threats themselves and not let anyone know, but they had to come to Ben for help. This is where my second idea comes in. Ben’s aliens quickly are shown not to be enough for these new monsters. So he goes to Azmuth. Begrudgingly, Azmuth adds the “Ultamatrix Upgrade” to the completed Omnitrix so Ben can use Ultimate Aliens to face the threats of Old Gods and Outer Gods. Earth is once again the battleground for this new war. It requires all the allies and enemies Ben has made to stand their ground before all reality is consumed by these beings of darkness. The armies of Vilgaxia, Incursion, House Red Wind, Highbreed, and the Plumbers are needed to overcome their shared enemy.
@oshawottmain7608
@oshawottmain7608 Ай бұрын
I've said it once abd I'll say it a million times: SCARVES MAKE EVERYTHING LOOK COOLER!
@Reapermaskhybrid
@Reapermaskhybrid Ай бұрын
Hell, I think Ultimate Way Big was given the short end of the stick and then some. Have you seen MagusArtus' redesign of that form? It looks awesome and gives the towering hero the respect he deserves, the artist even made it so in terms of scale, the hyper-evolved To'kustar eclipses the Earth! Who's the speck now, Dagon?!
@Sirmaadman24
@Sirmaadman24 Ай бұрын
"Dude! I don't know if I can pound your Grandma!" Ain'tnoway! that joke flew way over my head for a second there 😂😂😂. But. At the time the movie was hype. But the me now and thinking back on it. It could've been better.
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
I didn't realize how underwhelming the ending was until I realized this arc is long asf
@SamLabbato
@SamLabbato Ай бұрын
you should do a "what if" series rewriting certain arcs from the different series, or just straight up rewriting an arc from scratch
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
AFIII Rewrite is coming
@shavindumahndrarajah5328
@shavindumahndrarajah5328 Ай бұрын
I love the callback to cybernetic Vilgax from OG, but I gotta admit, it looks like he was fused with an albedo version of bloomed Swampfire
@shavindumahndrarajah5328
@shavindumahndrarajah5328 Ай бұрын
TBH tho, it's way better than anything I'd come up with 😂😅
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
We deserve an AF and UA animated films like classic
@gabiwolf1439
@gabiwolf1439 Ай бұрын
Well fuck Omniverse ig
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Ай бұрын
same with Omniverse
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
@@gabiwolf1439 naa, I wish that too got its proper animat3d films
@ShareTheLean
@ShareTheLean Ай бұрын
You should give Darkstar his own ark and improve his writhing. The potential left to rot he has is crazy.
@chillcool228
@chillcool228 Ай бұрын
Gotta love the Captain Falcon Ben,for some reason it just fits the man
@BeastForce141
@BeastForce141 Ай бұрын
That is very good Noxi.
@Silvercomet251
@Silvercomet251 Ай бұрын
Yes this is great. I found an animated fiight between Ben and Vilgax. It was great, but the figt could have been held differently. Now i would definitely like to see your idea animated. I like the way you drew both of them with Dagon and Ben new forms.
@lucasvitoriano5570
@lucasvitoriano5570 Ай бұрын
Oh man how I miss Dwayne McDuffee's work in animation. I will always miss you Maestro
@Warlord-dc5un
@Warlord-dc5un Ай бұрын
Bens design wielding Ascalon isn't a surprise as in all honesty Ascalon itself is bland and plain. It's just a regular steel sword with zero personality or unique aura to supposedly be Azmuth's second strongest creation, I felt what could've made it interesting is that the sword shifts and changes depending on the user. It would make sense for the sword to seem like a typical sword with regular knight armor when George uses it because George is a medieval knight that can be very stoic and stuck in the old ways. Hence in his appearance it takes on regular knight armour and a sword. Now for Ben it would take on a more creative design and would look more like your design or something similar. This also gives the sword some personality as in truth it doesn't even have any unique ability to benefit from or to help stand out, all we see of it is just a commonly used air slash like with every fictional sword and some spinning tornado attack but from what it seems that tornado was just because the enhanced strength/speed the sword already gives. George didn't seem to be utilizing elemental abilities in that instance, he just spun his arm in a circle. Also the shape shifting to the ideals/envision of the user would also make it more believable for Azmuth imo because it made no sense why Azmuth saw planets aligning and thought of a regular Earth like sword.
@lucanigro7316
@lucanigro7316 Ай бұрын
Saw the notification pop up in the ink tank discord and clicked that shit in an instant
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
W priorities
@nitinnair4353
@nitinnair4353 Ай бұрын
Can anyone recommend some novels that are similar to the Ben 10, in the sense that it blends elements and themes of family, action/adventure, exploration, and sci-fi together?
@no.1spidey-fan182
@no.1spidey-fan182 Ай бұрын
6:58 HOLY SH!T that design is soooo DOPE😭🔥🔥
@Tramon81
@Tramon81 Ай бұрын
Ok ok ok let me say this i love the fact that the ascalon armor has the omnitrix symbol, a lot of setup has been said in the series of oh "Ben without the watch without his aliens what is he" and i like how him having the omnitrix symbol on his chest put him on the same level as his alien transformations. The weilder of the omnitrix is as worthy as their ability to wield a toolkit skillfully and responsably be it the omnitrix be it ascalon being the once weapon of mass destruction ultimates. When the weilder, a human in this case, uses their power of weilding to the fullest extent the tools they're given it is only fair that form has that emblem on their chest.Also like how the other reference of the design is a siluette almost a parallelism to the first set of aliens who were represented like that in the watch giving ben his own omnitrix siluette in real time.
@cocokidsyt333
@cocokidsyt333 Ай бұрын
2:20 Someone's Being Naughty 😂
@silvertongue.242_99
@silvertongue.242_99 Ай бұрын
Ascalon could have been way more with the design but I do think it was cool seeing ben full decked out with armor. I think using his ultimates with alscalon forming armor and weapons suitable to improve the ultimate and aliens
@baconlord2545
@baconlord2545 28 күн бұрын
I feel like it would be better if Ben cycled through his classic aliens first and turn them ultimate.
@erikpng
@erikpng 17 күн бұрын
3:20 those designs are peak!
@johntheanimator4317
@johntheanimator4317 Ай бұрын
2:20 💀💀💀
@kaliyuga14surfer88
@kaliyuga14surfer88 Ай бұрын
I wish we had a space battle or dimensional one... would be better than anything we got.
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
Honestly they should of made it more eps longer
@JustDevon1
@JustDevon1 Ай бұрын
“ why did the Dagon fight miss the Mark?” Cause it wasn’t a fight
@erikpng
@erikpng 17 күн бұрын
I do remember seeing your art on IG, and you did great.
@dwightnorton3398
@dwightnorton3398 Ай бұрын
I''ll do my own soon
@bertcarroll1243
@bertcarroll1243 Ай бұрын
Yeah, I watched the series and most of it didn’t make any sense when we got to the ending😅 Surely they should add more details to the transformations good to evil
@MrYirley
@MrYirley Ай бұрын
the dagon fight was so fast that i thought i missed an episode, I didn't
@Laito112
@Laito112 Ай бұрын
Looks amazing!!
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Thank u
@aungbhonekyaw3136
@aungbhonekyaw3136 Ай бұрын
The art looks clean bro I would have watched UAF a thousand times if they had used your design
@kingmarshallofthelightside8892
@kingmarshallofthelightside8892 Ай бұрын
This is insane I would love to see more of this the ink tank has awesome designs I love ultimate aliens
@Nebulous8091
@Nebulous8091 Ай бұрын
Finally
@choekyiscuffedskeleton7471
@choekyiscuffedskeleton7471 Ай бұрын
My idea is Ben combining the azcolon and omnitrix together making it an armored watch which gives his aliens more durability and offense in power with their own knight designs
@cleonclarkbautista4617
@cleonclarkbautista4617 Ай бұрын
That would have been so cool actually
@silvertongue.242_99
@silvertongue.242_99 Ай бұрын
I was thinking about a similar thing with each ultimate and aliens it's own new armor and weapon
@maxdragonfist
@maxdragonfist Ай бұрын
I dont think it would have been as bad if ascalon ben was treated as a transformation, like give him a booming voice and change up his mannerisms a little
@Aphelia.
@Aphelia. Ай бұрын
Yoooo can't wait for what you'll come up with
@Gunter4life
@Gunter4life Ай бұрын
I love both the designs. They're cool af
@MatthewK122
@MatthewK122 Ай бұрын
Nice design of Dagon
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Thank u
@TheSaphireKatana
@TheSaphireKatana Ай бұрын
I would of loved this final battle to of been essentially a jojo part 5 style desperate struggle to just get the items beeded to defeat vilgax In this case the keys from gwen and kevin for alien X So that ben coukd theb go ultimate X and have a cosmic battle where ben becomes one with the universe or something. Maybe vilgax invades bens mind so ben summons the sword leading to two separate battles so that the sword can still be used aswell as ultimate forms
@michaeloj126
@michaeloj126 Ай бұрын
Bro Your edits go hard ngl You need more essays on stuff like this 🔥🤌
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
❗️
@dwightnorton3398
@dwightnorton3398 Ай бұрын
Great job man
@kristelvidhi5038
@kristelvidhi5038 Ай бұрын
If only there was a part 3 where Dagongax full potential.
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
5:19 i understand that. The same is said for future diary and sao.
@tingo5331
@tingo5331 Ай бұрын
HEAT IN COMING!!!!!!!
@ErenAyar
@ErenAyar Ай бұрын
If a random person I saw in my home page can do a better finale for a series than the Network and (partially) the studio, it is such a disgrace.
@antinixsupernova
@antinixsupernova Ай бұрын
2:22 WHAT
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
Why not have Elena in the seasons climax
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
5:26 I have a theory connecting Dagon with aggregor’s backstory
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
2:29 I like that
@pratyusthapa5144
@pratyusthapa5144 Ай бұрын
What powers would you give ben 10 and vilgax?just wondering
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Ben's alien forms would change the look and effects of the sword to match the alien's powers. Vilgax would have the raw brutality and hand-to-hand prowess as his Classic self, plus amped versions of his Alien Force powers (minus the Omega Lasers, because I truly hate those).
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
4:24 this gave me sao
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle
@HiAgainTheNameIsStillAyle Ай бұрын
Maybe you should do Ben 10 what ifs
@madewithsoul8456
@madewithsoul8456 Ай бұрын
What will happened if ben used Pultisaltiyari on The sword of askalan
@tristen-w1p
@tristen-w1p Ай бұрын
Fire vid
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
thank u
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
7:09 I know
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
I think it’s about the animation budget
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
1:17 you mean s2 climax
@mrkaji8913
@mrkaji8913 Ай бұрын
5:00 I know
@raytheanimator7725
@raytheanimator7725 Ай бұрын
I have a question does he stay with Julie because I like her better than Kai
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Still breaks up with julie and also never really gets with kai
@TheGamerninja15
@TheGamerninja15 Ай бұрын
The issues I have with this ending are the pacing how lack lustering it was and just the execution entirely. It could have been good, hell maybe even better than War of the Worlds, but sadly it wasn't and what came after like the Malware arc is good, we can never forget just how boring the Ending of the Dagon arc was.
@Chuydoesartfr
@Chuydoesartfr Ай бұрын
*sees the art* Yeah, I've seen enough INK TANK HIRE THIS MAN 🗣🗣
@christopherwebster6354
@christopherwebster6354 Ай бұрын
This might sound controversial, but I think the best way to handle the fight between Ben and Dagon-Vilgax would be to have Ben go Ultimate. I don't mean have him use one of his Ultimate Aliens, I mean have him turn into Ultimate Ben. That way he can use all his aliens' powers in conjunction with Ascalon. I know Ultimate Ben isn't a fan favorite, but I think it's the best way to end the Ultimate Alien story, with Ben unlocking his most powerful transformation yet. If you wanted to make it more unique, you could maybe have it turn Ben into an Anodite to pay off the pink eyes set up in the first episode. Also, the arc needed another episode. Though it shouldn't go the Dragon Ball route and dedicate an entire episode _just_ to Ben and Vilgax fighting. Nonstop action scenes can get fatiguing when done too abundantly (Looking at you, Frieza). But the story needed more time to explore the entire breadth of the conflict.
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
The Dagon finale had 3 episodes, which is more than enough, but the pacing was handled atrociously
@christopherwebster6354
@christopherwebster6354 Ай бұрын
@@NoxiMation That's pretty easy to forget. Which is a testament to how poorly handled they were. Like, they had the content of two episodes.
@tippy1731
@tippy1731 15 күн бұрын
Hot Take: The Ultimate Alien Series Finale is way better than the Omniverse Series Finale.
@hyperslash2144
@hyperslash2144 Ай бұрын
True
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
real
@pixeldoesart1864
@pixeldoesart1864 Ай бұрын
Amazing
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
❤‍🔥
@Dany-rx7rs
@Dany-rx7rs Ай бұрын
😮😅
@SpectacularSpidey670
@SpectacularSpidey670 Ай бұрын
are you reposting this? i swear i saw this already
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
No?
@TheOmniTank
@TheOmniTank Ай бұрын
Are you doing animation or not..?
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Simply a speed draw commentary
@TheOmniTank
@TheOmniTank Ай бұрын
@@NoxiMation oh ok..! Cool..! 🥳🥳
@Dany-rx7rs
@Dany-rx7rs Ай бұрын
😮😅
@KadeStringer2.0
@KadeStringer2.0 Ай бұрын
Actually there was nothing wrong with that last episode
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
Your patience is much higher than mine then
@replydenewalaharami
@replydenewalaharami Ай бұрын
Actually, they won't explain in depth cuz, we were that time around age 11 to 12 in our childhood those times I didn't understand what the dimension meant and what the universe meant i was taught when I was a child that universe meantns just our earth 😭 I didn't have was much iq to understand complex physics at that time.
@lucariopokemon13
@lucariopokemon13 Ай бұрын
🌚 nice
@barkbush8048
@barkbush8048 Ай бұрын
only good ben 10 timeskip was classic to alien force
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
I fw the timeskip from Ben 10,000 to Ken 10
@theamazingspooderman2697
@theamazingspooderman2697 Ай бұрын
cap
@idle_speculation
@idle_speculation Ай бұрын
UA and OV needed at least a year between them. No way all that happened in a few months.
@NoxiMation
@NoxiMation Ай бұрын
@@idle_speculation I'm saying
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