This Is So Messed Up! Psychologist Reacts to The Apothecary Diaries Episode 23

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18 күн бұрын

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@UlsterHound77
@UlsterHound77 16 күн бұрын
Could be trauma, could be author liberty, but developmental prosopagnosia is a real thing too. Also, Lakan didn't just lose the woman he loved and get separated from Maomao... they are the only people he can see. Guilt and loneliness both.
@TheLadyFool
@TheLadyFool 16 күн бұрын
1.) Balsam and Woodsorrel - literally the two flowers that represent Fengxian and Maomao. "When touched, the seed flies right off the fruit." They are both the type to fall in love only once - once someone touches their heart, they give them absolutely everything. In Fengxian's case, it destroyed her. For Maomao? Well, this is what Jinshi's up against. Maomao is aware, on some level, of just how thoroughly Jinshi has the power to destroy her if she opens up to him. 2.) The anime left some of this out, but I still think it comes through. It's heavily implied that the Madam is Fengxian's mother. For all the commenters saying that the granny lied, think about how you'd feel if your daughter and granddaughter were abandoned by this man to the point where your entire business was about to go OUT of business, throwing not just Fengxian and Maomao, but Meimei and all the other courtesans out on the street. The madam not only pulled Verdigris House through the crisis initiated by Lakan and Fengxian, she adopted Maomao in as a ward of the Verdigris House before Luomen arrived. And then Lakan comes running up, three years later, begging to see the woman he abandoned? Is it rational? No, not really. Kind? Absolutely not. But what kindness does the Madam feel she owes Lakan when she's the one taking care of Fengxian and Maomao? She's not going to let this man anywhere near them and she's going to make him pay through the nose for the damage he caused, because it's the only way she can even begin to try to make him pay for what he's done. Lakan's remorse is useless in the face of Fengxian's ruin. Ed is talking about how everyone has value and that's true - but the Madam in THIS moment has absolutely no way of knowing that Lakan wouldn't just walk away from Fengxian in disgust if he sees her state now. Not to mention there's Fengxian's feelings as well - she sent him those fingers as a curse and Lakan's own evaluation of her personality is prideful. By the time he arrived, did Fengxian herself want to see him? The story asks you to feel for everyone in this scene - Lakan, absolutely, as he's confronted with the consequences of his own carelessness, but also Fengxian who lost her reputation and her pride and fell victim to her own prediction - a courtesan can never be a mother. The Madam and the Three Princesses, who pulled the Verdigris House out of it's death spiral. And especially for Maomao, who was shaped by the consequences of Lakan and Fengxian's actions.
@SmthPositive_
@SmthPositive_ 16 күн бұрын
0:20 Narrator: “He actually was not prepared”
@IZEASGT
@IZEASGT 9 күн бұрын
Watching your analyses, I was super-impressed by how much you pieced together about Maomao’s psychology, and how early - that she seemed to have deep-rooted trauma, going back to her formative years, that it was likely related to a parent or other caretaker (“why did mommy hurt me?”), that the pinky SOMEHOW came into it, and so on. Even how early you suspected that there was more than Lakan than what we were being led to believe, and that his intentions might not be malicious (and the direction is VERY good at making viewers feel uncomfortable about him, and putting you in the mindset of people like Jinshi, who don’t know how to deal with this weirdo but have to because he’s important enough to get away with shit like the chicken-eating/hat-napkin stunt he pulled IN FRONT OF THE EMPEROR in ep22). Even that Maomao’s mother may have had real feelings for him. And by this point, a lot of the picture was already clear, especially after the nightmare of Maomao’s mother with the knife, and finally seeing one of Maomao’s visits to the annex properly. But this… this was the last big piece of the puzzle, and maybe the most crucial. Though it relies on two key pieces of outside knowledge, one cultural and one medical. The first is the origins of “yubikiri”, the pinky promise, said to be rooted in a gesture by which sex workers would try to prove their love for a client - literal “finger-cutting”. The second: Like the Twitch chat said, there are documented cases of young children growing back severed fingertips. And thus the true horror of what was done to Maomao, and why, becomes clear: _Fengxian, in her desperation, decided her own pinky was not enough._ The very first time we see Maomao’s attention drawn to her pinky is in episode 3, when she’s thinking about Princess Fuyou’s strange actions, and she realizes what’s really going on - this is a woman pursuing her love for a man. When presented with that reality, this is where Maomao’s mind goes, to her first experience of what a woman will do in the name of love. That is what romance, _koi,_ means to her. As a psychologist, how do you think a girl like that would respond to romantic or sexual desires in her own life, either her own or someone else’s for her?
@IZEASGT
@IZEASGT 9 күн бұрын
Other thoughts: Meimei as Fengxian’s kamuro and Luomen as Lakan’s uncle are both huge backstory revelations, and there’s no way they don’t play in to how both people became such big parts of Maomao’s life. (We also know Pairin was Maomao’s wet nurse, but Joka is still a big question mark.) I love how Meimei’s history with both Fengxian and Lakan fits with how we learned in ep13 that board games are her specialty. It’s long seemed clear to me that Fengxian wasn’t capable of loving Maomao, and only saw her as a tool to get Lakan… but it only just occurred to me to think about what it implies that _she’s_ the one who first says a courtesan can never be a mother. Where does that belief come from? Is it really just part of the culture of the pleasure district, or is it rooted in her own trauma? Did Fengxian _choose_ to act on that belief, to shut off the part of herself that could’ve been a true mother to Maomao? On that note, I like to imagine what would’ve happened in an AU where Ah-Duo and the then-empress didn’t go into labor on the same day. It gets wild if you think about it enough - Luomen stays in the rear palace? Lakan stays in the capital, gets Fengxian’s letters, and buys her out? Maomao raised as nobility? Baby Jinshi dying from Fengming’s honey and the emperor’s real brother growing up instead? Ah-Duo having more children, maybe even becoming empress? But a more modest AU to imagine might be just… what if Fengxian had loved Maomao? How would Maomao’s personality have developed if Fengxian had been as much a mother figure to her as Pairin? (Your observations have especially made me wonder about that part. Would she still test drugs on herself? Would her feelings about _koi_ be different?) I can imagine that visit to the annex in episode 8 - instead of huddling up in the corner, we see a somber shot of Maomao sitting quietly in a chair by the bed. In episode 18’s visit, there’s no mention of Fengxian ever chasing Maomao out - her mind is still decayed, but when she registers Maomao’s presence, her eyes move toward her and she smiles weakly. After being given the medicine, she tugs at Maomao’s sleeve and, with some difficulty, pulls the go stones from their shelf. “What, again?” Maomao says. “You know I’m no good at that game…” But she eventually relents, as she always does. A lot of female characters in this show have signature flowers. Gyokuyou’s is the peony, for example. I’ve seen a KZfaq video or two breaking them down; it adds a neat layer to things like the flower shots in the first OP. Balsam is Fengxian’s flower, and woodsorrel is Maomao’s. (There’s a shot of a flower vase toward the end of ep12, I think, with a single woodsorrel flower cradled by the Three Princesses’ flowers. It’s cute.) There’s things I prefer about the Square Enix manga’s take on “Balsam and Woodsorrel”, but that rain at the anime episode’s climax is just incredible.
@ArlanKels
@ArlanKels 16 күн бұрын
Rewatching this, I got to thinking. The old granny was in charge at the time MaoMom was there, and she basically blocked Lakan from buying MaoMom via overpricing, instead of lowering her price so he could afford her. But Pairin's situation is different, MaoMao even says that if Pairin likes the guy he won't need to pay 10k. Did Granny soften up and realize the happiness of her girls is more important?
@13Nagash13
@13Nagash13 16 күн бұрын
No, maomao is granny's blood. Maomaos mom was granny's blood daughter. Which is why she hated lakan so much.
@Anime-sy2tw
@Anime-sy2tw 16 күн бұрын
@@ArlanKels She realized that if one of her girls wanted to be with a certain man who couldn't afford her, she could drop her price literally to zero if she was desperate enough, and there was no way to prevent that. So better to get some money and keep a good relationship with her than to lose one of her princesses and get a bad reputation. It's a business model that works. But she hated Lacan and didn't want to sell him either Maomao or Fengxian at any price.
@RMMinc
@RMMinc 16 күн бұрын
I feel like this episode right there is what makes this channel so good. "The value of a person is not determined by what had happened in the past". Damn.
@firemaiden029
@firemaiden029 15 күн бұрын
Remember when the first time we see lakan talking to jinshi and telling stories about the person he knew from the verdigris house.. how he painted himself as the villain of the story like saying things like he wanted to take fengxian by force. But in truth what happened between them was mutual.
@shinkaiatsuya950
@shinkaiatsuya950 16 күн бұрын
Crazy how quickly things got flipped turned upside down.
@lobov1959
@lobov1959 16 күн бұрын
Oh god... please watch Odd Taxi... I swear you are going to love it Ed... I hope it comes out in a poll next time
@reader111089
@reader111089 16 күн бұрын
Odd Taxi would be so good! Not sure it can win a poll though.
@cleaulem
@cleaulem 14 күн бұрын
As somebody who was born with face blindness myself, this episode was really mindblowing. I have the mild form and realized it when I was in my early thirties, I can see faces as what they are, but I have problems in memorizing the facial features as distinctive between persons. I like to describe it with "my hardware works fine, but the face recognition software in my brain is defective". Since my childhood I had (unconsciously) developed certain coping mechanisms to compensate this. I usually use other features than the face to recognize persons. It can be things like hairstyle, clothes, accessoiries or even a person's voice. But of course it can fail miserably if somebody does a complete style change. It happened to me that I didn't recognize best friends because of that.
@ankwardperson9034
@ankwardperson9034 10 күн бұрын
Hi! Mils, here! As someone who had my own pinky gutted when I was like 6 by my sister... Yes... pinkies grows back... Completely f up and smaller than what where, but... yeah
@13Nagash13
@13Nagash13 16 күн бұрын
Bit of info from the light novel that the anime just hinted at. Maomao's mom, is grannys blood daughter. That is part of why she was raised to just play go and chess and not have to sell herself at the brothel. This is why maomao got free reign to come and go from the brothel, why granny made sure she had a good adoptive dad, and why granny hated Lakan so so much.
@relicscraps
@relicscraps 16 күн бұрын
4:40 a bit unrelated but I think I’ve heard similar anecdote from dr. K about this. There are people who’s angry with his take and I don’t get why. There’s no exclusivity in this, people might think that mental illness is the ONLY reason why and decide other factors as invalid. I hate when the internet forces their personal worldview to others, I get wanting to be validated but not trampling others for it.
@relicscraps
@relicscraps 16 күн бұрын
Tragic romance are like my type of coffee, very bitter but I’m addicted to it 😔👌
@ongty
@ongty 16 күн бұрын
Safe to say Lakan had a stressful day when he got back home
@0th_Law
@0th_Law 16 күн бұрын
The tragic thing is that, had Fengxian made this play 3 months earlier, almost everything would have turned out more or less hunky dory, at least for that bit of the family.
@DarthLisandreL
@DarthLisandreL 15 күн бұрын
And that's how Jinshi ruined Maomao's family. Jinshi born without medical care => Jinshi swapped => Another child got poisoned with honey => Luomen thrown out of the harem in disgrace => Lakhan sent abroad => Fengxian gave birth to Maomao, got ill and almost insane
@elincoln13092
@elincoln13092 8 күн бұрын
They didn't say it in the anime but lakan always lost at go and always won at chess so when fengxian asked him to pick a board he chose go, knowing that it would most likely end with her getting what she wanted.
@Taneth
@Taneth 16 күн бұрын
She always referred to him as "that man", never by name or anything else.
@loblo5542
@loblo5542 16 күн бұрын
How turns have tabled.
@ramunemarble7565
@ramunemarble7565 16 күн бұрын
Today I found out that I can move the captions
@relicscraps
@relicscraps 16 күн бұрын
Doesn’t work on the iOS 😢
@fivegears
@fivegears 16 күн бұрын
27:00 Ah, Sunny D! Alright!
@SupremeCommanderBaiser
@SupremeCommanderBaiser 16 күн бұрын
🌹
@elizabethmartinez4779
@elizabethmartinez4779 16 күн бұрын
What can she ask for? Give me the child support you owe me.... Why yes 😂
@meganmartin3373
@meganmartin3373 16 күн бұрын
Somehow I can just absolutely see Rudeus becoming this kind of father.
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