I was just thinking back to when john wore glasses

let me just buy and "own" yoshi's island and paper mario on my switch without the online pls. That's all I want and im sure many others feel this way.

Im on the boat where I think having both purchase and sub options should exist as they both have pros and cons and strategies can be made to make either option enticing for the user The sub option can still exist as a sustained revenue stream, give players immediate access to a large selection of games without nuking the wallet and can serve as a way for users to give a trial run of a game. For the purchase option, they could make it enticing by giving the user access to the games whole soundtrack to listen to through the console and/or via their mobile app and bundle it with themes. If in the really unlikely case they really took it further then adding additional enhancement like a proper widescreen support, higher fps support etc would be a nice bonus Granted this is extremely unlikely to ever happen but a guy can dream

To be honest, I'm not really happy that John is trying to convince Nintendo to raise their prices. He's framing it like "this is undervalued and they really should charge more for this so I expect a price increase". I'd rather see him framing it like "what a great service and value, you should subscribe". I mean it seems like he's more worried about Nintendos' loss of profits than sharing a great value with consumers. The whole angle just feels like he wants them to raise prices and they should, instead of focusing on the great value and why you might wanna give it a go.

Virtual console >>>>>>>>>> subscriptions

Honestly, why not offer both services? Either buy titles or just pay the subscription fee for all of them.

NSO is a online service that offer retro games to make up for the lackluster online. I want good online with the option to own some of these retro games.

I still prefer virtual console

It's just funny how we were all worried that we had to keep re-buying the same Virtual Console games for multiple platforms to the point that Reggie assured us Nintendo was looking for a solution, only for them to come up with a way to charge us forever and ever to access them. Classics games, even more classic Nintendo.

I have basic tier and never play any of them.

Still waiting for Nintendo to put Pokémon gen 1-3 on nso

I'm 48, so I grew up on the NES and subsequent nintendo systems. I actually got my switch after learning I could play all those games from my youth for a yearly fee. As time went on and they added DLC's for Mario Kart and Animal crossing it made it even better. My point is, if all I had on my switch was the classic games I'd be happy, I mean we're talking about NES, SNES, N64, N64 17+, Gameboy, Gameboy advanced and Sega. That's a shit ton of games for $50/yr (or $80 in my case for the family plan). I hear people bitch and moan but for $4/mo what do you want and I just been talking about the higher tier subscription.

If the actual online service they want me paying for hasn't improved than it's not worth it.

At the end on the day, the Wii still surpasses anything that NSO has to offer and that was two generations ago. I would much rather pay for individual games with more variety from other publishers and still be able to play them offline, then have a fixed library that Nintendo offers 🤷‍♂️

Don't forget that these are old retro games and most people are only going to be interested in a select few, if they even play any. Some people just want the cloud saves. I think your perspective is someone who really appreciates retro games, where many mainstream consumers might not care as much.

Virtual Console still better than NSO lol 🔥💕

Nintendo ... Please carry over this online service to the next console and make purchases from the Switch be available. It would suck if they started over again.

So.... Complain about high prices for remakes/remaster, then also make a big deal about NSO basic being too low. What a time to be a gamer

I am more worried that these nso games won’t be available in the future and you will lose your savedata along with the games

I'm still a Splatoon player. So I need access to online servers. The bonus of free retro games on the go is satisfying.

We got Nintendo Netflix before themes. Wild

I wish nintendo focused on making a quality and stable server(s) for their platform. It's just not worth ever playing online unless it's a super casual game.

what I feel could have been done better is to make a provision where players can BUY the classic NSO titles for 100 Gold coins a pop. This way, players can not just buy the Switch games, but also have an option to make their favorite NSO titles available to them

I personally like the NSO style for playing classic games. I just wish there was an option to buy the classic games individually for when you don't have or don't want to subscribe to NSO. The emulation quality also feels better than what we had on Wii U previously. I wonder if we'll see GameCube down the line on the next console, or DS if it has a way to do that.

I emulate all these games on several different platforms, that being said I still pay for NSO and I love it. The excitement of seeing what’s added next is most of the fun.

They can do both, they chose to only rent games and force you to pay for their under par online service. Nope

With the basic tier, I’ve played and beaten the original Zelda, Link to the Past, Super Mario Land 1 and 2, Kirby’s Adventure. I never would buy these games on their own, so a subscription works for me

That's not even counting the family plan that makes the deal even sweeter. Split it with up to 7 other friends or family members and it's a no-brainer.

i have a large library on my WiiU, no need for NSO

You didnt even mention the game trials we sometimes get. I fully beat Captain Toad Treasure Tracker without ever having to buy it. They recently did KOTOR. You also get DLC to MK8D, ACNH, and Splatoon 2 included.

I really do not care for their subscription service. If it weren't for cloud saves being locked behind the base tier, I'd be saving myself $20 a year. Online play and retro titles hold no value to me, and made that clear in the survey they sent out.

I'm not entirely sure messaging is the best idea on switch. It's so full of kids, I imagine it being grossly misused.

So when Nintendo decides to shut down the servers all your rented games are gone?

Imo i think the pricing will remain the same for the rest of this generation. However basically immediately upon the release of switch 2 they will bump the price but i also think we will get a new console added which will help justify it more.

This reminds me of the old days of spawn wave when I thought you looked like the guy who had those "I was just driving around in my Lamborghini, it's pretty fun" KZfaq commercials

Its hard to beat the Wii's VC. That was peak for retro digital games. The catalog was massive.

Honestly I’ve been really impressed by the classic games selection. The SNES, N64 and GBA games are particularly great

This isn't worth more money. I think it's only impressive to John. I don't purchase NSO for anything other than the online and saves... and both of those should be free.

On paper, NSO is the best value and I get to play a lot of all of these old retro games for the NES SNES, Game Boy, N64 and GBA but Nintendo really needs to improve their online structure not just for NSO but for the whole my Nintendo store it the worst aspect of the switch.

If I were Nintendo, I'd offer the games a la carte, but I would charge a lot for them, to basically force customers into NSO. $10 for NES, $15 for SNES, $20 for N64, etc.

One big problem with the subscription model is losing your saves when your subscription ends or the service is discontinued.

The thing is, not everybody appreciate retro games, is like movies, only a few can watch old classic movies, but the mainstream audience never gonna try that because can't appreciate it.

I'll never see any value in these services. Non of the perceived value is real, you don't gain or own anything other then the bile taste of needing to pay for core features like Online Multiplayer or Cloud Saving.

Another banger video! i'd like to hear your take on the nso expansion pass and where its at now vs where it started as well 👍🏼

Sadly, it's the Netflix example. They learned that you can raise your price by 50% and lose 20% of your customer base, and it's a win for the company. That's what's going to happen.

I use the $80/year plan and it gets me NES, SNES, GB, GBC, GBA, Genesis and N64 games (plus some expansion packs to games like Mario Kart 8), you also get access to the Nintendo Voucher system which is basically buy one game, get one half off on a select list of releases and the service covers my entire family of 4 plus one of my friends. The service covers up to 8 peeps. Conversely: Game Pass covers 2 people at most for over $200/year and PS+ Covers 2 people at most starting at $80 a year and goes up from there. I’m pretty sure Cloud Save Backups are tied to all the subscriptions at this time as well.

It's great that Nintendo didn't fall into the trap of adding messaging and trophies. None of that is necessary and would only give them an excuse to up their prices "LoOk At AlL tHe VaLuR" they would say, and instead of focusing on making a good system with good games they would give us crap like Sony and Microsoft

Anyone remember when Jon would use the hammer?

Man you really gotta give it to Nintendo... They knocked it out of the park this gen... It makes up for prior failures I feel and I've owned all their systems save for GBA and original DS

Really cool video. I got super interested in it and then it suddenly ended. I was hoping there would be a section at the end for the higher tier of NSO with the N64 games.

I haven't even went back and played everything I want to. But, I pay for the expansion plan just in case. It feels comfy having so many amazing retro games to play at any time.

Nintendo seems to FINALLY be taking network features seriously. They've done a TON of hiring and outside consulting, etc to prepare them for the incoming hardware move. Plus, they'd be insane to alienate such a massive install base at this point.

I think ineptitude is a bad word as it implies Nintendo doesn’t know or know how to resolve this situation. They could fix this and their general OS laziness overnight but choose not to because they don’t feel it’s worth the very minimal investment.

I mean I don’t agree considering how few games they have added overall, not factoring in licensing and etc. but the price is much cheaper than the other services for those just interested in online play, so I’ll grant it that.

I think that the basic NSO is worth the price, but I would be disappointed if they raised the price because the only thing on the service that I’m really interested in is the online functionality.

the issue is that not all of the games are really that good tbh

You look older in the past!!! Give me the recipe!!! 😂👏🏻👏🏻

They should provide cloud saves for free. I get they want to prevent game save modding but it sucks if your console dies and you didnt want to cough up the subscription fee in the first place to backup your games to the cloud. Expansion pack games should be on the base tier and not cost additional money to unlock. Having an option to buy games individually would be awesome, especially if you dont want some games and only interested in a few select titles available and don't want the others.

If the "Switch 2" Is called the nintendo Snap (cause if it has magnetic joycons it snaps to the screen) NSO Still could be called NSO 🤔

Emulating all theses games is super easy, idk why John make it seem likes its risky downloading them from a good source.

Nintendo switch online service isn't necessarily a bad thing but they definitely could do better and they know they can. Number one they should give us the option to buy these games outside of the switch online service if we choose to. Number two they really need to work on fixing all the input lag when it comes to these older games on the system. Number three and let us adjust the screen size to our liking. For an example if we want to play Super Mario World on Switch at full screen we should be able to have the option to do that.

A lot of people (like myself) are capitalists that want to spend our money to OWN something we can also consider our own. Lets think of this service in the context of everything else in modern society... a lot of us are paying for Netflix, prime, spotify, etc... and if we stop paying that service is now inaccessible. Comparing apples to apples, I have almost no interest in whats on Netflix, but for annually less money, we can get access to 200ish games that I will get some value from. That being said, Nintendo has taken this too far with the strikes on internet archive services taking down almost every 1st party ROM. I should have been collecting ROMs alongside physical media this whole time lol... looking for a MKW iso when my disc from 16 years ago doesnt work, and my Wii doesnt work.. but its nearly impossible, and Nintendo has offered no option to buy or play MKW and a Wii. That's worth bitching over.

I think the option of paying for the service to have those games and purchasing them on your should both be options.

The debate between NSO and Virtual Console has a very easy solution: you offer both. I guarantee you’d have a lot of double dippers. And then you’d get people like me, who will NOT sign up for a gaming subscription, purchasing a bunch of my favorites. Give people options. I guarantee it won’t hurt Nintendo

Knowing I can play Punch Out by just grabbing my lite is a lot of fun. Bring on Kung Fu for goodness sake.

I am not paying multiple times for retro games over and over again. If you're not selling them or making my previous purchase available, I'm gonna emulate them.

Still trying to figure out the jarring lack of games for the premium tier

I never played Winback Covert Operations for Nintendo 64 but is pretty good, Psycho Dreams also is a very underrated game for Super Nintendo

Seeing as I might play 2-3 digital titles per year on the NSO service, I wouldn’t want to see them raise prices. It’s a hard sell as it is for me. Yes there is good “value” there, but it’s another one of those things that’s only good value if you actually use it.

We’ve come along way since 2017 for the good and for the bad. This next transition from one generation to another is going to be the biggest test Nintendo yet if they pull it off it’s gonna be great if they mess it up. It’s gonna be bad, really, really bad.

For 75 for the year also you get the extend family plan. Which imo is absolutely a steel. I have all my kiddos switch’s on one plan and it is great

There needs to be a barebones basic tier with no retro games. I don’t want to pay anything extra just because of the added retro games. They are of no added value to me. 😊

The switch is beastly even at the end of their console cycle

Really agreed with everything here. Hopefully they don't boost the price till the next system.

Honestly, I don't personally care about retro titles. I played them when I was a kid. I would much rather Nintendo focus on making their servers stable. Not being able to play their modern games online without it being a buggy and laggy mess really makes me question if their subscription fee is worth what they are changing.

Paying $30AU*8=$240AU for old roms I could’ve bought like the three or four favourites I want to play. No it’s not good value.

A Monthly Fee for Minimum Effort.

I’ve got the basic tier in a family plan and it’s ridiculous value. OG GB, NES & SNES?? There’s some killer titles here. Plus all the other features too. If you don’t have it, go get it

2:30(ish) - "they shouldve figured out this Account System stuff a long time ago" ...yeah, considering that Microsoft launched XboxLive back in the "GameCube era", Nintendo had the entirety of the Wii, WiiU, AND the DS/3DS lines to finally get things the way they are on the Switch...and with all that time and Others' Experience, they still missed a couple of checks...

I'd have to disagree with the value prospect. Nintendo has taken the "quantity over quality" approach and padded their library with a bunch of games people will only play once or twice, if at all. If I have to pay for a bunch of games that I will never touch, just to be able to play a handful of games that I like, I'm not going to bother with your service.

I bet that we'll see some 3rd party games being removed unless they have some lifetime license or rolling payment setup, like a percentage of the NSO revenue. Eventually, Nintendo will need to remove games to allow more or increase the price of NSO.

It's 100% worth the current price. Would still like to see actual party chat though(like XBL). Nintendo is always way behind the times.

I was at my local Walmart yesterday, and it was 30$ for the year.

2:45 I sometimes forget the glo up you had 👏🏼 keep it up

Next gen will be metaverse based. It will be more like Virtual console but subscription will make buying cheaper If they give you a library it will be small. There's just too much money to be made They will also make it tied into something similar to how fortnight have people buying individual pieces of each IP. The reason NSO kept growing and was cheap is because it's used to generate a map of consumer mindshare. They will use everyone's activity to see what potential each IP have and what gameplay mechanics gets replayed. Very smart

I play NSO and the expansion quite a lot, so I definetly get my moneys worth. So for me, it's way better than Virtual Console.

When online came out I felt it was already too expensive for the lack of features you get with online. I wanted to have the option to play online and I wanted cloud saves so I got a group of friends to go in a 7 people family plan. The value for online has not changed since it came out. I haven't downloaded any of the retro players to play these old games and I don't see myself doing it. The only game I was considering was kirby 64 but then they said you have to get expansion pass and I no longer wanted to play Kirby on my switch.

GoldenEye and Perfect Dark really added value to this service for me. I do wish they made the 17+ app, part of the regular version. 17+ on N64 is sooooo different than today. I also hope the service either carries over or evolves with the switch successor

I used to hate the service too. But they made it more worthwhile in recent years but also abandoned a lot of updates too so its weird. Never used it myself though

well... nintendo has to do maintenance on their servers, so i understand they went this route.

I refuse to rent my games.

Skipped mentioning the Sega titles AND THE FACT WiiVC had TG16/CD, Neo Geo, and C64. Also didn't really mention the expansion pack for N64 & GBA along with some "free dlc".

Honestly, I'm pretty happy with the current NSO Setup. The online experience has been comparable to other platforms for me. Voice chat and messages are things I have literally never used on Xbox, PS or even PC. When I play online, I do with friends and I simply voice call them via telegram or whatever. The amount of games is good and I like that there's no fomo with things being removed unlike gamepass. I recognize the value of gamepass but I sometimes decide to not play some games on GP if they've been there for a while since I'm worried they will be removed and I basically have to rush the game. SNES and Genesis having rollback net code is also pretty good. The GBA emulation is very good and being able to finally play the multiplayer modes in those games is something new to me and a lot of others. I'd still love to have improved N64 emulation (it's at least better than PS2 emulation on PS but that's not saying much) and I 100% need button remapping to be added to the NSO emulators. The included DLC is kind of underwhelming but at least I didn't buy the ACNH DLC since I wasn't interested and I saved myself from buying something I was not going to enjoy. Adding the ability to buy games separately would be cool, kinda like Capcom Arcade classics (or whatever it's called) but I recognize not every game would be available for that due to licensing. The Wii/3DS/Wii U VC setup was cool in concept but it just didn't work. The more obscure games didn't sell well (or at all...) so including all of them in the same package allows the more popular games to offset the value of the most obscure ones and allowing them to be available and tried out by people that would've never played them otherwise. Also, having them all together allows me to play online with friends and ensure we all have the same games available to choose from. I pay 10 bucks a year in a family plan for the Expansion so I definitely get enough bang for my buck and I like that that is an actual legitimate option and not some kind of workaround. Overall, I'm pretty happy with it.

I think it's a stellar deal but also a great business strategy. The monthly cost works out great over the year, even without the very liberal family plan offering and before you include free games and the game voucher benefits. The pirates will also be missing out on the online features of some retro games, so it discourages illegal activity. It also respects and rewards players who have these games to play on their Wii U, as they don't have to buy them outright again just to play them remotely. Plus, it leaves open the desirability of the retro mini console bundles to be owned. The drip feed method of releasing is another live element that creates a positive buzz.

The service became worth it for me in February 2019 when Tetris 99 shadow dropped. For a good month I played nothing else. At the time the game was not purchaseable. Then a friend & I picked up Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 at launch and had a blast playing it in July of that year. September was the launch of Super Kirby Clash, a guilty pleasure game that I played for a solid 14 consecutive months as I didn't give Nintendo a dime for it. September also saw the launch of Super Nintendo games which DEFINITELY made it worth it to me. While there have been two times where I let my subscription expire, I found myself renewing it weeks to a month or two later with my even upgrading to the expansion pass at least twice in that time. I'll likely re-up to the expansion pass when my current expansion subscription expires in November because of the instant access to Game Boy Advance games with more likely to go up on the service.

I've paid for the family NSO since it released, but honestly my biggest issue is the pokemon and animal crossing backups not being part of it. I've had issues with a Switch and almost lost years of Pokemon game saves, but got super lucky that it booted up for me to copy over to a new one. The NSO games are actually a nice addition, but I do sometimes wish they had the VC also so we could pick and choose games we wanted.

SNES games are great NES isn’t worth $5 per year

Nintendo is going after rule 34 type of images.

I don't mind the online game options, I just hate using the apps so much that I just tend to avoid them. It sucks that there are separate apps for nes, snes, gb, gba, n64, n64 18+, genesis. I'd much rather an all in one app that just downloads the games you're interested in with a decently usable UI to sort and arrange without all the different box sizes affecting placement

I would enjoy it if it wasn’t for those pesky dotted side-bars and profile icons.