And although he eventually shut it down, he allowed the horrific FEV program to continue. The very program that led to Super Mutants being in the Commonwealth and doing Super Mutant things. And it wasn't like they were only turning marauders and scum into mutants and killing them, no they were grabbing anyone they could and then unleashing them topside. Utterly evil practices.

I dont think you paid attention to the dialogue if thats what you got out of it.

@@uni4rm ok

It's not like they knew them

@@uni4rm he literally says that in the first ten seconds of the video, stop trying to pass off Bestheda's shit writing as deep and nuanced.

It's funny that when he's dying he asks you what your moral justification is for destroying the institute.

Can't help but notice that's literally what the GOP does. They'll sabotage the government, then claim "government doesn't work, vote for me to fix it". And people are dumb enough to keep voting for them.

Fallout 4 story is so bad... In the first place, what were the Institute objectives by releasing supermutants in the Commonwealth?? I think none of this makes sense, because they could simply just live their safe underground life without doing any bad things for other people...

​@@patrick.53yeah you got me, the institute did so much stupid ass shady shit for no good reason at all. Like they literally seem like a cartoon villain. I like taking the institute route not cause I like them but I think their technology being placed im my hands is a lot more competent than whatever the fuck they were doing prior. And thats not a personal brag, thats just how incompetent the institute is. Theyre like monkeys with a bunch of bombs. Idiotic as all hell.

There are good synths though like the ones who were trying to escape the institute. Let's not forget they were the institute's slaves. So yeah they were also practicing slavery as well.

Proceeds to rescue real baby Shaun from institute base. There a mod for that called HR baby rescue or something. Simple shoot Director find baby in medical thing near the elevator and get out. I was roleplaying as an ENclave operative in America Rising 2 where I infiltrated instuite . during the director notion to make his sucessor I gunned down the leadership and rescued shawn after wards. Oh yeah I then console spawn a bunch of glowing one ghouls and they Train to Busan'ed the the crap out of everyone they could find. I then proceeded to hunt down every single Institute person i could find Then I left

Si tilin fuese campana: tilin tilin

Is that an actual dialogue option?! Damn i wish i would’ve talked to Shaun before nuking his shit, just so i could tell him that.

@@thisreplysection1050 I don't think it is. This is just what I would've said. Unfortunately, Fallout 4's dialogue was lacking.

in his defense, you were never there for him, you were nothing but just a biological father, he never grew up receiving your love or his mother's, you are no one but just a stranger

Maybe he was right after all 😂 (Kidding)

The Brazilian way.

Well at least he got put in a compromising position with another dead body first and a few screenshots taken.

​@@MiGujack3 The Brazilian way, eh? I once saw a video on Liveleak of a Brazilian drug dealer who got his head smashed in with a brick, by like 5 underage assailants all wearing sandals. They made him dug his grave first, then they went Brazilian Brickjitsu on him. They then shot him twice in the head. Just an fyi, they did leave his pants on...😮

And has the decency to base his principles on some kind of philosophical grounds. Shaun's (and the Institute's) whole moral foundation seems to be similar to Aperture Science, sans any comedic depth or irony: "We do what we must because we can."

@@birdjericho Well, sort off. The real Julius Caesar wanted reforms, he wanted land for his soldiers, grain dole, and for the populares (the plebes) to run the government, instead of the optimate (the best and brightest, the aristocracy). The Caesar in Fallout New Vegas is only interested in conquering land and acquiring slaves. There's more to the Roman Republic and Empire than that.

@@birdjerichoEven Aperture had better moral principles. Aperture at least attempted to restrain their creations when they strayed too far from the practical and pragmatic relative to their objectives, but ultimately failed when GLADOS gassed everyone.

I feel like he was sort of getting there, and real Julius Caesar likely did those things because they were politically expedient, the fact that they were also good things to do was incidental. (the soldiers of the republic were perpetually rebelling, the grain dole was a staple following the Punic wars)@@blucolife

@@tarunmenon7056 I think it was Gaius Gracchus who pushed for the grain dole, was rejected, then was murdered, and sometimes later his reforms were enacted. Still, you could be right.

Next day delivery of nuclear payloads

Same day destruction

The commie propoganga its good enough to me join BoS

I was just in it for the spiffy uniforms!

I joined because I like boats.

Right? Doesn't even give you X-01 to go with that Institute paint smh

" no thats not all...... anyways, im glad it turned out this way"

Actually you can murder Desdemona at any time. Even before they open the lights in the darkness lmao. Just use Fatman or 2 or 4 bartel Missile Launcher depending on the difficulty in case you miss the first time 😁

That means he's not essential. He's not even _protected._

Maxson and Desdemona are killable at any time as well

Killed him the moment I met him lol

I just killed him the first time I met him 😂

how can he be the reason the S/O is gunned down if he's still a baby?

@@jaredlapierre1304 because they wanted him, but she wouldn’t let them have him therefor in a way it is his fault

@@madarauchiha3921 he is the REASON yes, as Agent said in their post, but it is not "his fault" persay...

Thats why I destroyed them all!!! Also killed the nazi brotherhood of steel goons and their little toy the pridwin.

Well yea, he outright treats it like an experiment, he can say it wasent but come one, if someone read those lines they would be like so this dude straight up treated his parent like a guinea pig.......?

OMG SWAN NO WAY

@@evareider2484 Yup. Read his notes scattered around Swans Pond/Boston Commons.

No wayy dude , i killed him whike searching for Railroad. His power fist is good tho

If you want more story, read his notes or the wiki. It is seriously messed up. After turning him into a super mutant, they just threw him into the wasteland, where he hid in a shed, until he literally grew so big that the only place he could live is the pond you find him in. He doesn't attack because he wants to, he attacks because he just wants to be left alone. He is a broken man left in a broken world.

A pet project really

"Understandable"

Its the fucking ncr all over again

Shouldn't it be "Why did you attack your son?"

Hey, at least patrolling the mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter

@@CaueJulio legion fans with their mandatory "tribute" : 👀💦

Father: Aohh..uhh.. No

Very well said mate!

Man Shaun's interactions pissed me off to no end.. The institute was made to be PURE evil... 0 redeming quallites.. ZERO the BOS were not far behind.. N***i bastards the whole lot of them they were nice.. Until u say no then they exterminate u. The rail road were idealistic morons... Synths are not alive.. They never were.. Never will be but they had morals i guess. The minutemen are the only worthy faction

To be fair that's what happens when you are raised by ruthless scientists, everything becomes a science experiment for you to observe. Doesn't make it better but I understand.

@@TheAzuregreen did you grow up as a science experiment?

Fr that really annoyed me “I wouldn’t call it murder”. That’s when I knew I didn’t like him

Preston Garvey: I am glad you've done so much for the Commonwealth General, making you our top dawg was the best decision we could ever make time to show the Commonwealth we are finally back as there's a settlement in need of your help, here I'll mark it on your map. {Help Sunshine Tidings} {Help Somerville Place} {Help King's port Light house} Note: OBERLAND STATION IS UNDER ATTACK! SAVE THEM BEFORE ITS TOO LATE!

@@marilynlucero9363 *Allies with Nuka World raiders"

But how did you destroy the Minutemen?

@@vigorouslethargy They’re immortal, although they kinda got annoyed when I accidentally shot a mini nuke at my own settlement

@@simpostor_ I think everyone would get “annoyed” if you accidentally blew up their friends with a nuclear weapon.

Think of what they payed Kellogg in comparison lol

a man with the ability to give you just about anything and he gives you an amount of caps that a single settlement could outproduce lmao

500 caps…. wow, thanks son. This game actually made me feel like a disappointed father.

@@keithdavid5206it’s almost like that’s the point

@@chaserseven2886 Then why aren’t there more dialogue options instead of oh well son, it’s okay that you killed your mother, countless people, destroyed settlements from the inside out. etc etc

Lol would have been more interesting.

That's the real father response right there 😂

The courier: “listen here you little shit [Attack]”

😂😂

🤣😆

My god that Shaun bitch really taunts you

Why would the institute even use money? They are a group isolated that provid residence, food, education and shelter to its inhapidants as long as they are productive. Hell for kellog they would probably use institute made bottlecaps (altho i think gold and silver would be more realistic)

@@Balajohn_ Exactlyyy.. or some youth potions. Hell they can even bring Kellogs family back as synths.

Tiene sentido en realidad, solemos repetir lo que vimos / sufrimos en la infancia con los demás cuando somos adultos. Como los tipos de apego xd

they robbed Nora/Nate of any parental experience, killed their beloved in front of their eyes and turned their son into a simp for the very organisation that did all this, Shaun hasn't even stepped outside and thinks he knows shit about the outside world, the institute needed to go

@@xiki1506 You do have a point.

Are we even sure father is actually Shawn? No proof given.

I forget what it's called, but in psychology, children raised on a certain path will rarely stray from it. Shaun believes it's right, because it's what he's been raised to believe.

You forgot: bunch of anarchists just out for a good time (raiders(

It's weird how if you complete Garvey's quests but never turn them in he forgets to give you new ones. Definitely worth giving up on the 150xp for not turning in 3 radiant quests. Also raids on settlements you never visited basically didn't do anything, so you only had defend your farms. My playthrough had militarized minutemen and brotherhood swat. Combined arms for the win

@@BouncingTribbles ... That's an excellent point. I keep forgetting to take that route and just not turn in quests. Normally I just avoid the MM completely, but that is a wonderful workaround.

Nope 1. BOS = National Socialism not Fascist. 2. Institute = Marxist/Utopian Socialist 3. RR = Revolutionary Anarchist 4. MM = Right Wing Libertarians

All wrong mm middle ground institute Marxist facists kidnappers RR hypocritical commies Eastern boss independent capitalist that is more open Western bos anti social

And then he tries to turn them into kellog 2.0 by using them in the same exact way kellog was used.

Not Kellogg 2.0, rather you become General Mills

It was all he knew. He also had Kellogg cloned and made into a synth, so it wasn't the real Kellogg. Just a scary creation to send on missions.

@@grandtheftautolabs3439Kellogg wasn’t a synth. He was a cyborg.

​@@grandtheftautolabs3439kellog wasnt a synth!! Is the original kellog that u kill in the bunker

While I see what you are saying, the factions are designed to be so different from the start that the only factions that could feasibly work together is the railroad and minutemen

Could you imagine Fallout 4 with a true evil ending such as institute teaming with the gunners to have the best surveillance, technology, facilities and on the ground soldiers to have an iron cast rule over the commonwealth. I know, it sound morbid but it would have added some spice to the story and the choices you make. Hell, Minutemen and railroad team up for the opposite effect where everything is accounted for such as Lives whether People or synth. Settlements with synth protection, hunters, gathers and human farmers to start the rebuilding of the old world.

@@nash3364 yes, but they didn't *need* to. They extorted resources in order to simply maintain such a large military presence in the commonwealth, which simply isn't sustainable. Add to that the likely vulnerability that places on a less defended Citadel in the capital, the prydwyn and elder Maxson need to return to the capital. It would make sense for the player character as the head of the minutemen to negotiate with Maxson.

you can complete the game with all factions except the institute lmao

BOS+Ethical Institute+Minuteman= Commonwealth being a technological heaven and a civilization in no time

Yeah... Because the army of egomaniacal mad scientists will listen to whatever some old soldier says 'cause their boss said so before dying. The moment you say "Maybe we shouldn't make gen 3 synths work menial labour" they will begin plotting how to get you out of the picture. 200 years treating people like lab rats can't be undone by a single outsider appointed by a dead leader.

The super mutants

In a way he's the ultimate overseer. He's following his parameters and has a fear of the outside world. Even with all of his big words about dealing with the other factions he's still a scared child.

i agree; i always felt shaun never meant a whole lot to the sole survivor after realizing what he’s done. yeah sure, u gave birth to him, but you never really knew him. he’s a monster.

Which means there's no way to save him, inevitably breaking his promise to Nora that you will get Shaun back but he's too far old and gone.

@@jamesonfl7723 For me, my mindset on Shaun was he may be blood, but he's not my son. He is the Institute's son.

💀💀

Big MT had sentient personality disorders, Father wishes he had enough personality to be the same

The brains at Big MT make the Institute look like a high school science fair

Exactly!

@@danieltobin4498 For real, if you imagine all the places in big empty without the destruction, monsters and radiation, it would be a science utopia, way ahead of anything the institute was cooking up.

There’s more truth to the idea the player himself is a synth by the fact his memory only goes as far back as the bombing

​@@Dante.- There’s more truth to the idea that this is just a game.

@@general444444 yeah but the game itself pointed out this idea DIMA in the far harbor DLC has a whole conversation about the fact you lack memories before the bombing, he says it’s a sign of being a synth but also admits could just be trauma/radiation related

The Institute could literally manufacture millions of bottle caps if they wanted to. And yet this cheap bastard gives you 500.

that'd be massive inflation tho, and some of the only to exist in the fallout universe now I think of it@@GeraltofRivia22

@@GeraltofRivia22Dont you love the government of corruption 😅

Honestly, if it were worth having, the Institute could give him a key to a safe-box where the institute would regularly fill it with something like 50,000 caps from their manufactorum or w/e they have in that underground Apple store. That's a lot like Bethesda's other FO games. There's always a chest regularly filled with some stuff a faction gives you access to. Sierra Madre did it with the wall safe. Brotherhood, Legion, NCR, and the Followers did it with the safe houses and drop boxes

Bro the cheapest man in the commonwealth just look at how cheap the Synths look lmao

their like north korea. everythings fine if you dont actually see whats happening in it

@@turtlemaster2957 Please come back when you'll pass your teenagers way of thinking.

@@turtlemaster2957 the synths don’t do anything but exist in the game. The scientists are constantly working. Also white people were slaves to other white people, just like black people were slaves to other black people.

@@turtlemaster2957 you do realize there were tribes in Africa who enslaved people from rival tribes, right? The bigger tribes would defeat smaller tribes and sell the survivors of those conquered tribes as slaves to Europeans who would transport them by boat to the New World (Aka the Americas). Saying that White people were the only people who practiced slavery is completely false.

@@HappyMSI1 i mean they're not wrong. the railroad is named so after the underground railroad sooo i mean there's more than a little similarity

elder maxson making sure that you're doing your job :)

Virgil was only head of the program for one year before he smashed the labs up and escaped. Out of the hundreds of years of experiments that were done with FEV by the Instapoop.

Underrated comment, this is so true can't believe I didn't it when I saw a dead super mutant in the FEV labs with children toys and wooden blocks. But what about the dead cats?

@@user-so4vj1gk1j They probably gave the cats to the children to keep them complacent. Or as food.

OR that early super mutants are really dumb and can be pacified with toys

In the Fraternal Post, where Nate was supposed to give the speech he was reading off in the intro, we encounter a named Super Mutant who has been hoarding toys, baby rattles, and bottles. I always assumed you were supposed to link that they took Shaun to experiment on him with the FEV. That's the reason they needed a pure human. Maybe it was a dropped plot point.

Lol

That was after he called me stupid for not thinking of synths as appliances.

"I'm not mad, I'm just disappointed"

Holy shit lmfao

Probably top 3 worst most painful things your Dad can say

I think it's less out of touch and more he knows *exactly* what he is doing, but is deflecting.

Thats what happens when you believe your organization is for the betterment of humanity When the outsiders do it its Savagery, when the institute does it, its “collateral damage”

The people working at the institute are a pretty brainy bunch. They are smart, intelligent people. Shaun is not out of touch. It's just bad writing on Bethesda's part.

It makes sense though. Raised by scientists, as an experiment himself. Probably never had a parental figure in his life. He even cloned himself just to see how his dad responds when he meets him.

@@HappyDiggers Even smart people can be out of touch.

And at the end the sole survivor killing shaun Really makes it sound love thos was all just an elaborate Assassination

Who's your daddy now father!

Just like grandad from the boondocks fr

Pause

I'd rather have more dialogue options than 4 that may possibly give some inclination of the words they will make come out of your mouth, but this would be satisfying too

this applies to nora as well. why wasn't there any option to hit this prick?

I find the only fun way to play this game is going to nuka world right after exiting the vault joining the raiders and then joining the institute. Everything is so forced in this game and it feels kinda good to side with who the writers so obviously wanted to be the baddies

@@billyshears2032 then you just let the raiders spread all over the place like butter on bread and feel preston rolling in sanctuary not being able to do a damn thing about it

It's about drive! It's about power! All your family *I'LL DEVOUR*

@@andrewaftontheandroidhedge2780 Hes still fighting for his life in concordia lol while I try to not kill Cito

@@billyshears2032F that America Rising 2 mod just came out, I destroyed the institute & brotherhood with the Enclave 😎😎. Also essentially used another mod to turn the Minutemen into the Enclave😂😂

But why would he do that? He doesn't really know us, he was brought up by scientists and possibly he didn't even know about us until he became a head of the Institute, and by this time he probably didn't really care anymore.

Actually a super good point

Its a strangely "enclave" point of view, tbh. Probably why they're obsessed with using them. I mean, the institute is pretty much just the Enclave from the opposite direction. Which also isn't shocking given Bethesda's very "looking back" view on the world.

yeah it's almost like that's exactly what an apocalypse would do to people 🤦‍♂️

When you guys put "quotations" around words and phrases, do you think it changes the game?

I think it’s very feasible that all the laws being no longer enforced would definitely corrupt people and if it goes on longer for kids to grow up in the situation someone of them are gonna have skewed morals to say the least

Absolutely damned it. The institute has the means of defending and providing for the commonwealth on a grand scale. Between that and your appointment as general of the minutemen, you have both a human and synth army, with the means to provide infinitely for both, AND control the resources for the entire citizenry, with the ability to rebuild. Institute/Minutemen ending is the only real good decision you can make. The Brotherhood is just being in another disorganized mercenary outfit, further dividing and killing off the people, and the railroad are disorganized, impoverished idiots aiding a new underground unfeeling inhumane synth army to murder and replace humanity because killing off a few gang leaders hurt their feelings. The institute was reigning in synths, and kills off the brotherhood as a means of guaranteeing the safety of potentially millions if not more when humans begin to repopulate. You end up (SPOILER) being given total control over the institute by your son, giving you the Institute AND the minutemen to provide security, clean water, infrastructure and food to everyone. You have the chance to a be a great American leader in that game, and that's why I absolutely love it and it's always been one of my favorites.

The same could be said of the Enclave

Perhaps it's the technology that helping cause the narcissim and detatchment

East Coast BOS actively recruits and trains and protects citizens of Capital Wasteland, also the BOS wants to prevent humanity from wiping it self out and had helped the Vault Dweller defeat the Master and stop his planes as well as help establish the NCR and fought the Enclave. The West Coast BOS may be stuck in its ways of not actively recruiting and sharing some of its technology they at least do not tolerate threats to humanity there is at least the East Coast BOS who at least use there power to help humanity.

By the time we reach New Vegas, their narcissism from the first two games is catching up to them. And yet, Maxson, who grew up in a more selfless and detached Brotherhood, grew up to be another narcissist and a fascist.

@@commietearsdrinker In what way is he a fascist? all he did is bring the BOS to Boston to stop the institute ending Humanity and replacing them with synths. Also last time I checked the East BOS fends off threats to the Commonwealth as well providing for citizens and rebuilding the wasteland.

Unfortunately though.. everyone is too Stubborn. Either way.. The Technological Advances that The Institute has, is far too important to be Destroyed. ..and The Brotherhood I Respected is Long Gone.

Fuck the RR. They have a good cause...but thats it. Everything else is questionable AT BEST. Completely wiping out memory and personality of the person WHO JUST GOT FREE? Its basically murder, and new person would be slave to their new directives till the end of their life.

The main reason that this flaw is glaring is that the game does a poor job of working with the concept that synths really are supposed to be dangerous. Harkness in Fallout 3 managed to take over security in Rivet City. Danse excelled in the Brotherhood of Steel and climbed the ranks despite not even knowing that he was a synth. Glory believes that synths have inherent advantages in completing most tasks. Institute scientists believe that Gen-3 synths already outclass baseline humans pretty much across the board and that future generations of synths could go even further, with Alan Binet opining that synths should and will become the future of human evolution. The SRB are baffled that the player character was able to bring down a courser, something they didn't think a human could ordinarily accomplish. Unfortunately, the game doesn't really illustrate the potential danger of synths outside the one example of Gabriel at Libertalia. Synths are generally not imposing enemies in actual gameplay, so it all seems pretty overblown. But the concept could have worked if it had been executed differently. I can see why the Institute would be pretty upset that the beings they created and have come to rely on for their survival keep malfunctioning and getting lost, only for the Railroad to steal the synths, mind-wipe them, and set them loose. There's some number of synths out there that have false memories and pass for normal humans. They are not truly human and the changes to their personalities from the mind-wipe and implanted memories make them unpredictable. With his insular and xenophobic outlook, Shaun only emphasizes the "stolen property" aspect of what the Railroad is doing. But it's possible that others in the Institute view the SRB as an incomplete stopgap to mitigate the damage of rogue synths, and that they're horrified that someone is actively thwarting them from trying to clean up their own mess.

Shaun is right. The Railroad let a sadistic synth walk free just because he’s escaping the Institute. They are NOT the good guys. Running away from captivity is a totally natural impulse inherent to all living beings. Their desire to be free does not make the Railroad synths good people.

It's the equivalent of saying "we can't let synths be human because they could end up doing what humans do"

@@marcusofmenace3671 more like they would end up replacing or enslaving us. And the mimicry is a massive fucking threat in itself even if they stay in small numbers

@@TheStephenation Not only do they excel at things better than humans usually, but they're implied to not age from dialogue about Synth-Shaun. So you could have a synth in charge of something like a raider gang or brutal faction and if no one can kill them, they could be in charge for centuries possibly due to not aging out.

They operate under the Non-Aggression Principle for the most part. Kind of 50% Don't Tread On Me and 50% F*ck Around and Find Out. A solid motto to live by.

The minutemen is kind of a fitting name for their ideals. They operate on the founding american ideals which are really good ideals and also why most of the world throughout its history has choose to side with the US over countries like russia or China in geopolitics Is because of americas founding ideals are so objectively righteous and selfless. I wish i could say the same for modern day US is a shadow of what it use to be.

Same, minutemen weren't ego driven or paranoid like brotherhood either

In my main playthrough, I side with the Minutemen and become The Bicen-General (a name I came up with for her. A fun play on words. 200 years, and a new General of the Minutemen). She spreads the ideals of the original Minutemen from 400 years earlier; as well as Truth, justice, prosperity for all. Regardless of pigmentation, ghoul, super mutant, synth, or robot. If you wish to help others succeed and prosper, if you are willing to help your neighbor against threats in order to live a safe, happy, prosperous life, you are welcome in the Minutemen Commonwealth. The BoS just invade the Commonwealth with the first thing they state on their loud speaker, "Do not interfere!" That is invasion speak for 'this is our land because we want it'. So I don't side with them or The Institute. In a couple of my playthroughs I do not side with any faction. I just help settlements, like the Eastwood 'Man with No Name' trilogy (A Fistful of Dollars, A few dollars more, The good, the bad, and the ugly). It helps to use the Alternate Start mod called 'Start Me Up redux'. Great mod. Lots of replayablity choices. Anyway, yes, I choose to help the Minutemen, or no faction at all. 👍 Be Excellent to each other and Party on. 🤘🎸😎

@@f4lloutgaymer​​⁠F that America Rising 2 mod just came out, I destroyed the institute & brotherhood with the Enclave 😎😎. Also essentially used another mod to turn the Minutemen into the Enclave😂😂

I thought of that too, but what if you run into an army of super mutants or a pack of deathclaws as soon as you left the vault? The world is just so different that it's like an alien world.

It really depends on his MOS and level of experience. If Nate was a Ranger, SF, or any sort of alum from SERE training? Yeah, he'd probably be alright. If he was some kind of lower enlisted with only basic competency, or some sort of non-combat role? It would be a different story.

Makes it even crazier if you play as Nora - a freaking lawyer winds up running the Commonwealth

So first of all you could have chosen Nora, but even then it doesn’t matter. One man versus several group of raiders are not good odds. Nate was also most definitely not trained for the kind of sadistic and brutal fighting styles that you could find in the postwar Commonwealth.

@@chesterstevens8870 Nate was infantry according to the robot at the uss constitution ship.

Honestly the BoS is probably the worst faction, alongside the Institute. They're a bunch of xenophobic douches who think they're gonna save the Commonweath. They take what they want (by force is necessary), they want to kill anythings who isn't human, even non-hostile ghouls and other friendly mutants, take all the technology they can recover for themself and consider mostly everyone inferior. They're not so different from raiders. They've done some good, but it doesn't cover what they trully are.

As far as morals go the minutemen are the best. I liked the railroad the most because they aren't evil like the institute and brotherhood but they also have several of my favorite characters, they're cool with my favorite characters (Valentine and Hancock) and their missions are more entertaining than just saving a million settlements

True blue Americans.

The brotherhood are the best faction

@@leonrussell9607 with how whiney they are throughout all of their quests and how terrible Maxson is as a leader I can't really agree with that. The brotherhood easily could of been the best faction, if they were more like the FO3 brotherhood. The only reason people like the FO4 brotherhood over all the others, as far as I can tell, is because Liberty Prime gets 24 seconds of screentime and bodies a SMB, which granted that was sick.

Been a while, but if I recall correctly, Institute didn't create the commonwealth supers (though I'm not certain their origin, be it expansion of vault 84 mutes, or some other military/enclave site that was FEV testing), or at least not all of them, and were more looking for A: practical applications of FEV, and B: a cure for victims of FEV (like the supers) until things went wrong and they shut the lab down for being too dangerous.

@@six-fingeredjimmy6977 You are remembering incorrectly

@@six-fingeredjimmy6977 virgil shut the lab down cuz he wasn’t fine with turning kidnapped people into super mutants.

Which is what the BOS did at Mariposa.

​@@six-fingeredjimmy6977 Nah, they were literally kidnapping people and turning them into super mutants. No other goal justifies that. And theu did make the majority of super mutants in the Commonwealth. While the game does address that some Vault 87 super mutants wandered to the Commonwealth I believe, the majority are Institute creations.

@El Cactuar wow I’ve never seen someone manage to be completely insufferable in such a short comment

Just like the Walking Dead.

bethesda needs to fire their entire writing dept.

Bethesda has no soul. Fallout New Vegas quest lines could bring a tear to your eye. Bethesda fallouts make me want to kill everything and burn it all down.

@@danielharshman796 they barely have one, the game and quest designers write the dialogue alongside the gameplay elements. They clearly need to separate the two.

Even after you kill kellogg, piper describes the plot to get into Kelloggs mind as crazy. Me and my friend rant about this games horrible plot all the time XD

Bethesda could’ve done “west world” but taking place in fallout Boston. The institute being this high society that had perfectly recreated a replica of pre war U.S with the help of synths to help bring back the American dream. It could’ve all been underground or some secluded walled off part of Boston like the casino strip in New Vegas. Seeing better tech and weapons than what Bethesda made would’ve been cool too.

Father really did say “You wouldn’t understand” and then in the same day say “You’re the leader”

Bethesda fallout games always have cartoonish evil villains, even fallout 3 did. Of course if you play Fallout New Vegas' main story and DLCs the closest you'll ever get to a cartoonish villain is Ulysses, but even he has something logical driving him. You may not agree with Caesar, but there is a ruthless logic to his ideals. Mobius in the big empty is doing everything because the knowledge and scientists in the big empty are too dangerous to let out into the world. The white legs are just trying to join Caesars legion to survive and even Father Elijah just wants to save the brotherhood. All of the villains have some sort of logic that made them come to the point their at, in the Bethesda games you just get people who are evil for the sake of evil. And that really doesn't work in a game like fallout, it's fine in the Elder Scrolls because it's a universe where good and evil exist with gods and demons

@@brandonashley5872 Bethesda just doesn’t invest in their writing talent.

@@victorpleitez768 yeah, I've honestly went from someone that would really stand behind Bethesda to not even looking forward to their new content. But it's not just them, the entire industry is doing the same thing. Bethesda went from a pretty top tier company with Skyrim (which didn't have genius writing but it was good enough to enjoy the story) to whatever we would even call fallout 4, granted all of the elder scrolls lore was written by one man. But from what I heard they've even decided to stop following his lore because it's not mainstream enough

Lazy game design is all.

It's probably the best option they use caps. Imagine the Institute having its own currency, and that currency becomes useless after destroying the Institute. What are we supposed to do with it then?

@@brandenhauser1635 Wouldn't you want a currency that works as a deterrence to the end of your existence?

they literally have informants around the comminwealth of course theyd have the main currecny especially selling meds or fusion cells.

@@Rafe758 nope, you and 13 people are dead wrong, they have informants around the commonwealth most of which are traders, of course theyd have the main currency selling meds or fusion cells... you know nothing

Yep, they turned him into a Vault-Tec Overseer. lol

Darth Vader in a nutshell

he's also almost dead. so who cares

@@TheFreelancer87 But Vader was unironically a good guy. Father's just cringe

What

except for the minutemen, they’re the only ones without any flaws.

Can't have a flaw if you don't really exist. Now, don't get me wrong, people say things about who they were, and various things do let you see the corruption that came before you get to Preston being the last one, but by then, they have basically stopped existing. And then when you rebuild them, they don't really do much beyond just 'another settlement needs your help' and you basically having to do the entire workload of the faction yourself.

@@Red-qk7hv their only scorn is the infinite settlement quests, they're probably the closest thing we have to a wholey good fraction, trying to settle the wastes for the sake of peace and prosperity. Their recent history is dark but their future looks bright. I wish Bethesda had of fleshed out them and the gunners, the gunners could've been peace for profit mercs only maintaining law for a price, maybe a more authoritarian peace but not evil

@Jack Well to be honest, such image for the gunners won't fly with the Minutemen

@@Red-qk7hv Except being boring asf

I killed him on his death bed at the very end of a brotherhood campaign "it didn't have to end this way" * Bang * "I still loved you."

Um no cause the moment you shoot him somebody tells you that you killed your son when you are leaving over the intercom

That is pretty much what happened. Shaun was dead decades before you were defrosted. The Father is someone else possessing his corpse.

Ah the TFS approach to dealing with Shaun

Exactly how my playthroughs went after the first one.

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It's important to realise, that at this point Shaun does not know what being a son means, he knows nothing of parenthood, he does not know and can have no feelings for his parents, as he never knew them. It is that realisation, which ultimately causes his mum/dad to lay some beat on that ass, the realisation that they fought their way through the commonwealth to reach their son, and realise that he is an asswipe.

Remember that Shaun is in his 70s, and already dying. Normally, his parents would have been long dead anyway. A couple of years ago he became aware of the fact that one of his parents was not only alive, but still in the prime of their life. However, he has doubts about whether he really wants to meet with this person - whether the person in the vault would live up to what he imagined a parent to be. Is it unrealistic to think he'd say "Let's just let them out, and just see what they do with themselves."

Just hope that a raider with a pipe pistol doesn't shoot at you mid-flight

Best thing, just do the quest that unlocks the vertibird grenades, and never progress the story any further. Otherwise, you could always do the easiest thing (which I did in my first survival run) and just side with the institute and make Oberland Station your home. You still have to walk to target locations (find new things along the way) but you get to teleport back into safety from anywhere, no matter how many metal buckets and pipe pistols you are carrying around. Also, that sweet and sexy power armor paint for the X0-1...

The institute can teleport you anywhere like a fast travel

@@TasukuMuncha In survival, you can only teleport out of the Institute to the CIT ruins above.

@@sarinat3101 Oh really? I thought they could send you anywhere like their coursers do

who better? poetic justice

it would've been great to have a subplot through the player's interactions with Father where the player's actions and morals begin to rub off on him a little. You *are* his parent after all, he probably looks up to you even just a little, despite being physically older than you. Slowly influencing his choices and making him a better person.

@@whowantsfreepizza4507 Possibly. Of course Bethy was running out of time to make the release in time for lots of money. A lot of good ideas had to be cut. And then there's that Human nature thing. When you're raised in a certain environment, especially when you reach old age, you're pretty well set in your ways and your thinking. More than likely, Father would have softened slightly, thinking how quaint it was that our sentimentality might be rubbing off on him. But after all is said and done, the Institute is serious business...

​@@whowantsfreepizza4507i wish that becoming leader of the institute allowed you to make some changes like stopping Mutant production, The replacement program and the taking back of synths. Could also use the existing synths coursers for clearing super mutant camps

It’s such a deep betrayal. Devastating for the Sole Survivor. Can you imagine your own son telling you that he doesn’t care that the love of your life, his own father/mother is dead?

Ahh,the joys of having Vertibirds kamikazing their way in your direction as soon you come near them, because....a bug I guess?

@@steveradroach9101 I wouldn't say a bug, more a shitty aircraft with negligible armor and very little offensive armament to destroy their enemies. While I'm not certain, lore wise, but wouldn't they also be essentially 200 years old?

@@TankGuy3 Weren't vertibirds still being constructed after the great war? There is a entire questline in Fallout 2 about getting vertibird blueprints so that the hubologists/BoS/Shi can make their own.

@@zlatasibonjic6379 Honestly I'm not certain. It seems that the manufacturing facilities wouldn't be available, but I could be wrong.

@@steveradroach9101 I've heard that Vertibirds are basically dragons to the creation engine, so them crashing near you is a remnant of what happens when you kill a dragon in skyrim, so you can actually loot it

That is so fucking funny 😭

I feel the same, too! The tutorial could have mirrored the beginning of Fallout 3 to a degree except the player is the parent, both parents are alive, and it takes place prewar. Could have even had a birthday party for Shaun in which you get to converse with him, his friends, your neighbors, and your spouse. Maybe the player is even able to teach Shaun how to shoot a BB gun that they get him for his birthday! Really, an extended experience of prewar would have just been great in general. Could have visited different locations that are later in ruins while bonding with your family. The main thing to avoid with a longer prewar intro would be defining too much about the PC. In Fallout 3, the players are able to define themselves through plenty of choices before ever leaving the vault while also bonding with Liam Dadson. For a mirrored experience in Fallout 4, the player would then have to make plenty of choices that determine what kind of parent/spouse they are as well as their relationship with their spouse and son. The player will then be more invested in both their spouse and Shaun from the start. Naturally, Shaun will be hyped up about Halloween right before the bombs fall.

The first witcher game does a good job of this. They have you tutor a child for awhile, until he slips through time for one reason or another, and then you meet his adult self later - he preaches the beliefs you taught him, albeit in an extreme form.

@@DforDeacon | EXACTLY! Let the player build out this crucial relationship in their head and through their actions before ripping it away. Of course, doing so would have required skilled writers and designers working to make the options remain entertaining and varied. I don't think the staff Bathesda hired would've been capable of pulling that off, considering how they handled other aspects of the game...

I would've liked that and to have lived in the vault for a little bit at least before the cryogenics began

That's just gonna make me enjoy killing Shaun even more when I devour his corpse

I feel the same- think of all the people brutally eaten alive by Super Mutants: this is all on Shaun's head. In my current playthrough, I'm thinking of popping him as soon as I meet him.

Well to be blunt sciences is all about repetition and ensuring your statistics are correct

​@@codyreed717 According to the logs, they have already wasted countless trials (and lives) doing the same thing over and over with no progress. In this case dipping random kidnap victims into FEV to see what happens. If the repetition/iteration is getting you closer to the expected target, sure, keep going, but once it is clear it isn't working, you'd try something else. Otherwise it is bad scientific practice (in addition to being evil)

Yeah, between the CPG massacre, the University Point Massacre & what is revealed from investigating the FEV lab, I could never side with the Institute. I do play along with them long enough to steal plans for their synth production & other things (via a few mods I have) as well as all the unique weapons & items you can get from them, but ultimately end up siding with the Minutemen & using them to basically found a New Commonwealth Republic, with the BoS acting as airlift/heavy fire support and the Railroad more or less getting co-opted into being the Minutemen's Intelligence division. Hell, I even built up Vault 88 as an antithesis to not only the Institute, but Vault-Tec as well: I took all the most ethical options for all the experiments, then after the former overseer took her leave, built not only a synth production facility in the vault, but also a full-on automated manufacturing facility that produces clothes, armor, energy weapons & ammo, but unlike the Institute, which has completely sealed itself off from the surface, Vault 88 allows anyone to come & go as they please & is a fairly major trade hub in the southern commonwealth.

You act like it's surprising...have you forgotten how insane "The Master" was in Fallout 1, because spoilers...its the same people...The big reveal here...is "The Master" was part of the Institute before Fallout 1!

That’s why parenting isn’t an AFK job

No they're not fucking 'capable', the hell are you smoking?!

They need better writers that actually know how their game works! We need a story that encourage exploration and become all kind of character.

Do you know what family really is? It is all those settlements that need your help. Here, let me mark them on your map

​@@jesusrubiomaldonado27I almost forgot about that, thank you 🥰

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that their ending is they all fuse into an actual train and ride across the land freeing all the electronics.

@@PorkFork for fuck sake take your upovite and leave

@@PorkFork They get more sympathetic when you realize modern synths aren't robots, but cyborg Frankenstein's grown cell by cell (into bodyparts which are fused together) into real people.

@@TheBurningWarrior those are just the gen 3s tho. gen 1 and 2 are fully robotic with "human like" exteriors. Valentine is a gen 2. gen 3s are effectively human clones.

​@@arifhossain9751 Yep, earlier synths are just advanced humanish robots. IIRC though, Valentine is closer to human than most gen 2's since he's a (prototype?) simulation of a pre-existing human brain. Still, not actually a human, but more a case of, "as a Photograph is to a person's image, Valentine is to someone's personality". A recording of a mind played back.