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Misleading info, it's not illegal

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Honestly.... Guys.... Really!!! Hope the statistics in the comments speak for themselves...... With respect: Utter Cods Wazzel Bull Balls Bollox.

Wing Chun is not illegal in MMA. It's simply not effective! I gouging is illegal. Fish hooking is illegal. Finger manipulation is illegal. Bitting is illegal. 12 o'clock to 6 o'clock elbow strikes are illegal. Striking the 'family jewels' is also prohibited. (Although it happens frequently.) You can lean on your opponents throat with your forearm. But ripping out their throat will land you in prison!

You can't even legally use any of the moves that make it actually dangerous because it requires things like eye gouging and ball squeezing so no you can't even give a proper demonstration of wing Chun in the ring. I don't know why that's so hard for some people to figure out. That and most practitioners of wing Chun aren't any where near as conditioned as these professional fighters.

@@erikseavey9445 all things being equal, if you can’t box/brawl/grapple better than the opponent, the introduction of less than gentlemanly tactics isn’t going to change the outcome of a fight (your opponent will be in a better position to do these things). Hell, the person live drilling techniques is gonna have an advantage vs the person that can’t live drill these techniques. Early MMA events (both early UFC and Vale Tudo Brazil come to mind), didn’t have the ball squeezing restrictions, and WC didn’t do any better on these events. WC isn’t illegal in mma, some techniques (that many other martial arts have), are illegal in modern mma. WC just seems to have issues adjusting to different ranges of combat for this particular format. And that’s about as respectful as I can be with such a loaded topic.

@@erikseavey9445 ok what about Pride... you or One? hell in the early days you where allowed to soccer sick.. you can still knee a downed opponent.. The reason Wing Chun isnt used is because it doesnt work. its a crap martial arts for self defense same with Krav Maga its crap too

@@andrestrujillo6921 First of all, WC was created in the mind of being the weaker, so tricks are all around in this style, and let me now write off some of the techniques that are illegal (or might be, cuz I don't know all mma rules by heart): -Biu Jee (eye gouging strike), -Fat Sao (and Fut Sao) (artery chopping strike), -strikes into the laryx (well, I guess the reason is obvious?), -Pai Jarn - elbow strike into the solar plexus (hurts af even while having chest guard on that negates most of the regular fists power - I was sparing with the body builder whose strikes were quite painful, leaving brusiers on and I was also sparring with a middle aged woman whose pai jarns hurt way more, it liretally could break your ribs just like that), -Kop Jarn (elbow strike mostly applied on the back of the head OR on the spine) -Gerk techniques (not all, but main kicking technique is knee snapping technique, and Anderson Silva is using it really often but instead snapping the knee he his the tight of the opponent) -Balls kicking technique (forgot the kicking technique name) So basicly, WC contains like 70% defence techniques and other 30% are attacking techniques that are mostly illegal so what are you saying about adapting? If Wing Chun have adapt to MMA it wouldn't be Wing Chun, but MMA (excluding wing chun). Also, Wing Chun (or, lets say Wing Tsun, because that the Yip Man Legacy style I was learning for 5 years) is trained all arond the globe in elite forces such as: FBI (USA), Marine Corps (USA), SWAT (USA), DEA (USA), RAID (France), GSG-9 (Germany), SEK (Germany), NOCS (Italy), GIP (Luxemburg), Indie anti-terrorist troops, Polish special forces, Hungary special forces - Si-Fu Szel Gabor is main instructor of their special forces (8th master degree) his master is Grand Master Si-Kung Norbert Maday (9th master degree, that took him, If I remember correctly approx. 20 years to archive, I was lucky enough to see him live also). Moreover, what do you think about Krav Maga (that is like 70% made out of wing tsun?) PS.: Elite Forces have shortned learning scheme so they don't learn the stlye for 5 years to be able to fight.

@@xSeonerx the historicity of WC/VT aside, even if I make the concessions that those are all banned techniques now (some are, some aren’t), still doesn’t answer how it didn’t do well in early MMA where all those techniques were available, or at least not as restricted. All the forces mentioned have trained in other arts, that’s hardly a mention of any of these arts validity, and more of a concession on how good the sales team was. Krav Maga may have chun, I’m yet to see KM as a valid martial art 🤷🏻‍♂️

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Well, the moves it shares in common with other martial arts anyway. You know how you can tell a Muay Thai arm trap from a Wing Chun arm trap? If it works.

Key word though.. Defences. Offenses can't be used because they are "illegal" attacks by the MMA rules. Same reason why a lot of military members aren't allowed to compete as well. (they learn a lot of wingchun close quarters attacks)

@@tounsicorp1487 Well yeah, MMA/UFC is a sport, not street fighting. I study Endokon Honbu Shorin Ryu and you couldn't use even a quarter of their moves in MMA.

Its no more vital to the style than most Southern Kung Fu familes. Total BS

These things are wrong and you are being sold BS fight philosophy and thinking it's a martial art. "Vital and Instinctual to the true style". You watch too much Naruto fool. The aim of every martial art is to leverage the advantages of your body against the weaknesses of your opponent's body to injure them. Even the most "gentlemanly" of martial arts, boxing or fencing, are about concussing your opponent, inducing brain bleeds and burst ear drums to cause momentary unconsciousness and a permanent degradation of one's body. Fencing is about poking a hole in your opponent so that they no longer have the blood pressure left to fight. Not being able to eye gouge, reverse joints etc, does not make wing chun illegal. "Jesus". These are not the basics of it. These are things that are done in self defense scenarios and are done as a result of getting into a position to do so using other techniques which ARE the foundation of the style and ARE completely legal and ARE used all the time in the UFC. And they are not "vital and instinctual". Because any good martial art is about sparring. Your best sign of a fake martial art is they do not spar, making excuses about how their art is "all about killing and crippling, so we cannot practice it safely". Like how most people practice Krav Maga, one of the fakest martial arts there is. You get muscle memory, what makes something instinctive, by practicing it, thousands of times. Which is why all good MMA fighters spar heavily and frequently, because that's how you stay good at it. Excuses about how "it's deadly" or "dangerous" are weak lies, excuses that are designed to get people out of demonstrating their skills. In reality, real arts are able to be practiced with guards, and real people are able to stop an arm bar at the tap instead of breaking the joint, real people are able to hold back from jamming a thumb into an eye. These are fake martial art excuses used to avoid ever being tested, being used here. Sure, some wing chun finishing techniques are not legal in MMA, same way judo and jui jitsu guys can't just break people's arms and necks, same way that the taewkwondo and karate guys can't just kick people in the dick all day. Somehow, nobody is making excuses for these arts.

If the martial art is only different ways of grabbing balls, than is can be banned.

Those kind of hits are the most effective techniques in wing chun. It was invented by a woman to fight off rapists.

@@andrewsinclair7159 those attacks are the most effective in everything. There is no illegal style in mma.

thats exactly what wing chun is, so its forbiden. Style or no style.

@@andrewsinclair7159 they’re no more effective than an overhand right, in fact, if you look at the totality of fighting on film, literally the most effective strike of all time is an overhand right lmfao strikes that are illegal in mma aren’t because of their efficacy, they’re illegal for fighter longevity. The damage that many eye pokes over the years can have ends careers early. A single eye poke is 50/50 whether it’s even going to have any effect at all.

And it still has 3 times more likes than dislikes

@@calamorta the tiny number of 1k likers, who had the patience to see all of it, like it for the absurdity that made them laugh. And the quality of the click bate.

Thanks for clarifying. 🙏🏽

I mean Wing Chun does have eye-gouging techniques, but yeah, it's not just about eye-gouging for sure

Wing Chun is about eye gouging

Any untrained street gangster can say the same !!! (Biting neck is also a deadly technique breaking the ring's rules, but it is not beautiful, nor does it look cool when applied) ... BTW, many martial art styles keep saying the same just to invite students to build the master's fame, wealth and prosperity.

I invented my own unbeatable martial arts and I'm 5000-0 in fighting........so I'm not allowed in ufc

Kali maybe or any weapon involve martial arts hehe

Even boxing

Everything depends on the fighter. It's the best but nobody good has fought yet.

I was thinking the same thing.

Whoa.... many likes!

@@mtbmadman187 dont be that guy who thanks peeps for likes...its just wierd 😉😉

@@DaMadMick I didn't....

@@mtbmadman187 well....you got close there for a sec...lol im just messin with ya

it is his hole point, mma is a sport, whing chun does not function as a sport. it is a MARTIAL art.

@@danielchoritz1903 i dont like the terminology martail art, wing chun isnt a martial art imo. it is a martial style. Taichi is a martial art.

Pussys. If you can't take someone eye is it really fighting?

@@danielchoritz1903 wing Chun doesn't function as a martial art either lol

Wing chun is a killing art. That's why it's banned. Throat punches, headbutts, knee breaking kicks, a trip and then a head stomp. It's useless without the killer moves. Wing chun is for knife fights, and other death fights. Obviously it's illegal in the ring. Some Shaolin die during the traditional monastery matches.

MMA is 30 times more dangerous

The movies give WC lovers a false sense of security.

@@elchuzalongo4339 Standardized MMA has too many flaws . If anyone is interested in Wing Chun , I would gladly spar anytime with any style . I'm not big on promoting any style , but if there is interest , i don't mind showing what it can do . Wing chun for self defense , and for competition is very dangerous . MMA is good , but because of the money hungry direction it has taken like boxing , it continues to grow weaker and weaker while Wing chun takes skills from more styles to continue evolving . MMA was intended to be ever growing , but has been limited , and is very rarely helpful . Look at how much damage those guys take . I have trained both styles and many more for years , I have never had an MMA fighter be able to handle my Wing chun in sparring . To be fair , i know many styles , but when i switch to using only wing chun , people never have a single answer to it .

@@eclipsis1999 You should totally fight mma and make money and spread awareness.

@@elchuzalongo4339 There's literally no logic here. MMA = Mixed Martial Arts. MMA fighters don't all fight the same or even train the exact same combination of martial arts...

Be like water my friend :)😉

Thank you. well said.

Since when Wing Chun involves eye gouging and throat strikes?

That hand trapping shit hardly ever works Stick to boxing and muay thai

​@@Nickthegamingnerdyeah but the idea of blocking and striking at the same time is effective, being able to attack your opponent while blocking their attacks absolutely opens them up and wing Chun does use this a bit, if it's trained effectively you can effectively add parts of it to your arsenal.

Nin gees, ain't real!? Da hell?

I'd like for you to try to knock me out with your so called MMA. If I just hold my tongue a certain way I can build enough Qi power to sustain any attacks. Maybe come to my dojo and find out yourself bro. Do more research on Ninjas before you get a shuriken between your eyes without expecting it.

@@artvandalay13 lol

What about Muay Boran?

@@xryanv bro wtf

Think about that for a second. It LITERALLY would be hard to fit more lies in this video. He's not doing that by accident.

@Dan Jamesyou clearly missed the point

@Dan James depends on who I'm fighting. Another out of shape 41 year old who just does traditional martial arts for fun in his spare time? I think I've got a good chance. An amateur cage fighter who trains a few days a week while working 40+ hours at his actual job? Probably but I'd still have a puncher's chance. A professional MMA fighter who trains under multiple highly skilled coaches on a set schedule and is devoting his life to the sport of MMA? I probably wouldn't last 15 seconds. But then the pro fighter would also take you out pretty quickly too. So what's your point?

The only reason for bullshit videos like this, is to make people comment. Comments take time, and his videos get play time, which in turn puts AdSense $ in his bank account. When you see trash like this, that isn't factual in any way, we should all learn to just ignore it. It's garbage.

I knew this video was bogus when he didn't mention wrestling as one of the main martial arts used in MMA.

Yeah. It's called MMA for a reason.

obviously you never ran into one LOL SMH I get your point lots of fakes out there. Look up Rahsun Herkul from Traditional Wing Chun. Amituofo

@I'm not your buddy guy! maybe casual students. If you're in the big leagues 10/10 practice more then 1 art. That's not even debatable.

@I'm not your buddy guy! Not really. Yes there are guys that do. However, if you study with system with a degree of sophistication, then you don't need anything else.

As the videos points out, MMA is rules based and takes away the most effective elements of the art. What you're saying here is: "Someone that isn't allowed to use what they've trained in won't be able to compete well in the context of this specific sport against people trained entirely in this sport"

there are add-ons that allow u to gain access to the thumbs-down...btw it's 11.000 ( yeah:on point :D) actually ...and yeah ur right with the bs-part...

@@andreasmeiner4701 Beat me to it! Currently at just over 12k

18.5k likes - 12.5k dislikes

It's cos the option to remove comments didn't help with their fake news agenda... due to the thumbs down...

He doesn't know how to fight that's why. Just unsubscribe.

This seems to be a Pro Wing Chun Channel. Like it's the best in the world. When any wrestler could easily take them down and rende all their techniques useless.

@@TangoNevadaWing chun is good to some extent and it does work but in Ip man 3 the fight with Mike Tyson Ip man would be dead

​@@bullymaguire6942ip man could destroy 5 Tysons 😂 he fought more than that in real life. Tyson was great but let's be realistic, ip man survived Japanese invasion...

Martial arts don't do everything it's depends to you so mma kids shut your stupid mouths with your stupid mindset that kung fu not effective, only fighter can win not style, so think better before opening your stupid mouths, mma kids

​@@bullymaguire6942I already laughed when ip man could take on a muay thai fighter.

Hello Friend question, i want to learn only a few moves from a few different martial arts Styles not to fight not to defend But to Mortal Kombat finish him/neutralize/erase My opponent/enemy. Any idea which martial arts with only a few moves/combos/techniques Will give me that advantage?

@@veomax1937 grow an extra set of arms and just watch and mirror all of goros moves for about 10k hours and you will be able to do all those things you desire

@@veomax1937 try 1 finger pew pew

@@veomax1937 BJJ or muay thai. However, get this idea out of your head that you can train a month and be some competent fighter. There are no shortcuts.

@Tai Chi Tube They're all shit in the context of teaching proper fighting.

There have been MMA fighters who employed the Wing Chun eye poke.

> Wing Chun as a discipline is not banned in MMA [...] However, certain moves in Wing Chun, like eye pokes and groin strikes, are banned in MMA How to say you're bad at mathematical concepts of set theory without saying it. Fighters really are the dumbest out there.

​@@glennmuir5617lol

Eye pokes are illegal, unless you're Jon Jones

​@@usmc8408Jone Bones Eye Poke Jones

And that guy isn't even a high level mma fighter hes like on an intermediate level and he still fucks them up

@Adam A. Ya. Wow, good clarification. Easy to miss this fact when watching his videos. You would easily be led to think all Kung Fu is crap against MMA. However, I’d pay lots to see some expert, real, famous Kung Fu pro from China step into the ring with a pro MMA fighter from the USA.

@Adam A. I’m talking about a pure Kung Fu guy that only knows KungFu getting in the ring with an MMA fighter. I tried searching for what you said but don’t see that. Just see vids like this:kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iMubotqjtMirhH0.html

@@markcarson3215 yes, it would be awesome to see how easily the kung fu only guy gets the shit kicked out of him.

Dude is a legend

I love watching those. I think the difference is conditioning. He looks like a modern, highly-trained professional athlete. He's clearly in great shape. No one that he fought looked like that. That's ok, that's their fault. It didn't look like any of them spent time practicing against anything other than their own style. That's something that happens in traditional martial arts. Then they try to punch a dude that gets punched in practice all the time. On top of cardio for wrestling BJJ? One shot techniques aren't gonna work on someone with a 6 pack.

@@juicicles5881 i know i was sarcastic. Its the training not the sixpack tyson fury proved that

@@dayman161172 For sure, it's training that is the major factor. It's a lot of things, put together in practice that make a difference. Someone that doesn't see hard contact in practice won't know how to deal with it. That's most of getting hit and still being able to keep fighting. Getting hit. Having ripped abs (mostly I mean strength by "ripped", definition is part of the equation but a lesser one- what you eat makes you cut, mostly, you can be effective without it. You might not have equal stamina as someone that is.) is going to make the other person want to hit you in the gut a second time less. That hurts. The first time I hit someone really strong in the gut it messed with my hand. I was definitely surprised because people in karate and tae kwon do, where I started, then wing chun went down from stuff like that. People in JKD and muay thai needed several. I learned to appreciate wrist wraps and strong abs really quick. People in those classes were a lot more in-shape and hitting them kinda hurt. Lol

@@juicicles5881 you have done karate? Maybe some dont teach it but if you have wrong technique you will dmg you hand. If you have the right technique , angle and right structure then you hand wont hurt yourself from their body alone.You will mostly injure yourself because of your own punching power. Beeing ripped and having athletic are different things. You can still have power and stamina even more then ripped guys if you train enough. Thats why i mentioned tyson fury vs wilder. They both are athletes and fury is fat and still he had more stamina then wilder with same weight.

@@dayman161172 Definitely did train. Yes, you train your wrists and arms to deal with the impact of punching better. Absolutely, the angle of your punch helps you not hurt yourself. So does not punching with quite Everything, but i learned that outside karate I always thought it was a little unfair that boxers get to wrap their wrists and fists. ;) Even inject their knuckles with lidocaine before a friggin fight, but only Nevada allows that. Other states don't allow it. I only meant that it hurts your hand more to punch a rock of muscle than a big belly. Just pain, didn't say there's more chance of injury. You're right, though, either way someone that has trained *recently in getting gut shots isn't going to go down in one. It takes several. The ways to build that up are good cardio and getting hit.

@taylor If what you're saying is true it sounds like the throw knocked them out. If you try sticking your finger in a conscious person's eyes I think you'll find they move quite a lot.

@NK when I read it I totally thought he is doing "sennen goroshi" to the laying opponent....ofc he wouldn't move from the embarrassment lmao

I practiced American Kempo as a kid, and still remember most of what I learned. I've been thinking about adding MA practice to my workouts, thing about Kempo is you can't really practice without a partner :(

@taylor C'mon man, you ARE talking silly crud. While not everyone has gouged a person's eyes (I have), must of us have been poked in the eye quite severely. You DO NOT go stiff and not move. Do you think you're talking to a bunch of children? Did you use your chi power mind control them as well.

@@straightupanarg6226 I think American Kenpo (Parker's and his lineage) is a legit style. While I can say that not everything works in a fight I can say that it taught me many concepts that absolutely work in a fight. I'm a firm believer in starting children out in a traditional MA. That's what I did before studying BJJ and MT in my 20s while in the military.

exactly!!!!

Big dreamer who has just discovered Bruce Lee and Wing chun.

you're right......we've seen how xiaodong pulverized numerous suppposed to be wing chun masters, they didn't have a chance.

this is why we practice with no gear or protection Teaches realistic environment and control Anyone can get a tool box knowing how to use the tools is a different story Amituofo Keep watching the elbow my friend

You are wrong every martial arts don't have these moves. Many do but there is a difference between having moves and a system devoted to these types of techniques. You are wrong about something else too. There are plenty of guys that are devotes of Wing Chun that do spar and train hard. MMA is a sport, not a lethal combat system. It's designed to promote competition not lethal combat.

How the hell do you punch someone’s prostate?😆

@@elpato402 You have to learn wing chun first. Only then is it possible!

Yes but there is a difference between having a techniques and developing a system around an understanding a lethal combat. Wing Chun is a specialist style, it was developed for close quarter combat with lethal intent.

@@Ryooken And has never worked against trained fighters.

@@kain7513 who says it's never worked against trained Fighters? History 101: the story of Ip Man was based around the Boxer Rebellion Chinese history Wing Chun was one of the systems that was used against all comers. Again you guys think that you know because you see something on MMA with something of that nature, Trust and Believe MMA is based on a lot of things in those Fighters and hand-picked they are not the best the baddest the bravest and the Bold. I know a guy who used Wing Chun in prison. So don't tell me that it doesn't work against trained Fighters. They're trained Fighters as well.

As more and more people understand BJJ, Anderson Silva is nothing. Most guys in his weight class never learned Judo or Wrestling. That's the only reason Anderson Silva dominated the game in the past. If you go down in the weight classes, you will see wrestlers dominating the game. LOL

Yeah but oblique kicks are still pretty controversial

A lot of fighters have called Jones front kick to the knee dirty and say he’s a pos for using them.

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I learn from Feliox Leong who was taught by Ip Chun and he came to Adealide for a week and I train with at Wing Chun seminars. Wing Chun depends on how you train and what you training for.

I agree. Most Wing Chun schools refuse to spar, which makes all of the students teachings pretty much useless. I know only of one school where there is sparring, and it is brutal. I believe they could easily do quite some damage in MMA if combined with a few bjj techniques for ground fighting since they don't really have thechniques for these situations.

@@tilmannbeyme5049 wing chun without sparing is like swimming without getting in the water.

@@tilmannbeyme5049 Not sure, there was a fighter way back who did Wing Chun and got absolutely rinsed in MMA. The one thing I will say is it did give me good handspeed

@@raphaellopez9290 Idk I’ve never seen a traditional wing Chun school that promotes sparring. Chi Sau does not count IMO

Just not having a game plan for the ground is the greatest weakness of most of the eastern disciplines. They all have promise and potential when you are on your feet, but if it can’t adapt to the reality of unpredictable combat especially being taken to the ground it’s useless in a street fight and MMA. I don’t remember the quote or who said it, I think it was Bruce Lee, but it was along the lines of a “martial artist thats trained his whole life, will almost always lose to a grappler and boxer with only a year of training.”

"Wing Chun is primarily about occupying center line and not meeting force with force. " Not really unique to Wing Chun watch any boxer working rope drill. Where boxing dominates "traditional martials arts" is techniques done off the centerline. Inside angle, outside angle, open angled, closed angled,

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A more detailed contention, one I would like you to contest if you are inclined, is that Wing Chun is a bad style for technique reasons. The contention goes: there is more bad than good in Wing Chun, the footwork and positioning is bad. What is good in Wing Chun can be found better in other martial arts: the centerline is used in all striking arts, punching off the parry is taght in Muay Thai and boxing with better set up. You suggested a fighter might use Wing Chun as a foundation. I want to know: what is uniquely good in that style?

@@lordpisces5019 Back to fighting on the centerline. Pernell Whitaker could fight 12 rounds in a phonebooth and never get hit.

Muay Boran

A lot of m.a use eye gouging, throat grab,...

Nut breaking sounds very effective..

My little sister could poke you in the eye. It's not a skill.

@@onequickthing8950 she cant

@@brucef5088 Wing Shun (at least today) is absolute horse shit. Go watch some of Xu Xiaodong videos, the mma fighter who exposed the BS that traditional Chinese martial arts is, easily beating masters all over China... he even admits that as a competitive MMA fighter, he is not even that great. 😂 EDIT: here is one of the so called greatest Wing Chun masters getting his ass kicked by Xu Xiaodong. Event organizer: "We'll call it a draw". 🤣 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/m7SqgqWGq8CXqIE.html

@@brucef5088 Did you see them fight off ring? This is because these wing shun idiots keep claiming the ring disturb their balance. 😂 You'll also see them make BS excuse videos explaining why they lost, trust me these people are master of nothing and they keep losing against real fighters in fights all the time. The Krav Maga we teach soccer moms in our club is more effective than this.

@@brucef5088 how are you going to do said attacks if you never trained them with another person trying to stop you. In a street fight if you have never sparred you can not take a punch or land these moves

@@Gooberwoman wing chu is for otakus that want to be like naruto

@@brucef5088 cope

That and it’s not effective.

Samuel Kwok called BS on this notion of WC being pure defense long ago. WC has nothing in common with Aikido philosophy. The international WC league is WC at its core.

Wing chun was originally meant for assassination. Kicks were not in wing chun at first. It was frowned upon by the grandmasters. It was also a female martial art. The real IP man learned it from a female who was a master among grandmasters. Her style was a softer but more effective version of wing chun.

More world champs started in wrestling than jiu jitsu, for sure. Not that there's anything wrong with jiu jitsu... Just wrestling is a place that people train hard and are constantly pressure-tested against very aggressive opponents. You go through years of really intense practices and the people that are still doing it in college are some tough sobs. It's a good start for a world champion's Drive and work ethic

But he added savate and capoeria

compare the number of wrestlers who compete and the number of wing chun guys who compete. Of course their will be more wrestlers that are very physical and talented vs. the average Wing Chun guy who trains less and is less competitive

My thoughts exactly!

I’m a Boxer so I would have left out RRRaslers too lol Yes I get beat up on Grappling nights at the Gym for some reason lol

@jpssteveshanahan9572 Me too, i counted.... 0

youve lost count because its never been said

When was Conor McGregor ever on Joe rogan Podcast? 😂😂😂

@@tilltimm7970 dude, do you really not understand sarcasm? How old are you?

Gold

thats his point, you cant use it in sparring or a match because you could blind someone or explode their balls or crush their wind pipe. Wing chun isnt designed as a sport to have sparring at matches its designed to terminate someone as quick as you can. if you had someone really use wing chun with no rules someone would end up seriously hurt. Every other martialk art has rules. wing chun has no rules, this is the problem hes pointing out. the reason people in wing chun "matches" get worked is because usually they are limited as to what they can do, whereas their training there is no limitations its a very dirty style of fighting. In mma theres no hitting in back of head, eyes, throat, groin, boxing no kicking, karate no knee kicks no groin kicks, thats why he mentioned jon jones gets looked down on for the wing chun knee kicks is because you could tear someones ligmanents or bust their knee cap with that kick, its a dirty kick, thats why people cant "playfully" fight with wing chun you will end up blind or not be able to walk for 6 months or get ur throat smashed. Its dirty fighting and thats not allowed in "sport" martial arts. wing chun and silat are designed to kill and use dirty techniques they arent meant for the ring or for full speed practicing.

play by wing chun rules, one eye gouge ur mma fighter is useless...

@@brucef5088 sure

@@bobmango8472 anyone is done...wing chun included or any martial art... have you ever been poked in the eye? Twice, playing bball ive caught a finger to the eye (that more brushed me than poked me both times) and both times the guy wasnt looking and it was an accident with no power behind it. I couldnt see even with the one good eye for about 5 minutes it was just a big blur and it took me a good 10 minutes to recompose my self and not have my equilibrium off and not be dizzy and see straight. Now imagine if someone thrusted the pointy end of their fingers into both of your eyes very fast and very hard.... you would be unable to see. maybe if you were close enough and were somehow able to not instinctively shell up or look away you could bear hug the guy and slam them but i really dont know what you do in that situation. youve lost. and u can blind someone. thats why its illegal in sport fighting. trust me bro if u got an eye jab you wouldnt be able to throw an effective punch. in a cage you could blind wrestle but on the street the other person could just walk away. rather casual too

@@bobmango8472 at the end of the day its not about style its about the individual. There are plenty of wing chun people who are better than most karate people, and there are plenty of karate people who are better than most wing chun people. I would rather have a quick, tough, conditioned and composed body than worry about what style i used (within reason no aikido etc). fights end up getting messy anyway and most "style or form" goes out the window in the heat of the moment.

The best way to defend yourself is to find ways to hit your enemy's eyes, groin, ... LOL

True, my karate style includes staff fighting, the fact I can't bring a staff into an MMA cage doesn't mean the style is banned.

Agreed. I even think it's ridicolous to think, that attacks to vital points are specific to wing chun or any other martials arts. Whenever a martial art becomes a competetive full contact sports, it's no of no ones interest to cripple your opponent. However you can still attack joints, eyes, throat and testicles with many techniques and I rather get hit by some wing chun mcdojo artist than from a trained boxer or similar.

May I ask by who? I don't watch much MMA

@@vexmartialartsgaming7454 there are a few of them. off the top of my head i cannot think of their names but they use techniques like front kick to the front leg as the opponent advances then followed with hand strikes. Another guy some of his hand strikes were associated with wing chung. others that might use just a stance adopted from wing chung

@@tobesmith7632 Qi La La is the only wing chun practitioner that I've ever seen NOT get destroyed in the cage. A few fighters like Anderson Silva and Tony Ferguson have done some cross training in arts like wing chun; there are even some videos of them messing around on the wooden dummy. Every wing chun/ving Tsun practitioner i know always brings them up. They both have jiujitsu and Muay Thai/kickboxing pedigrees...wing chun was an after thought, not their main system for combat in the cage.

@@anthonygerber8261 I never said a wing Chung practitioner.. Wing Chung techniques have been used by a few fighters. This is why it's called mixed martial arts

Its difficult to use, eye gouging, groin strike or hair pulling in a real fight bcoz of adrenaline and pressure of a fight., Some idiots there thinking about it will work, they are in a wrong place they thinking about fantasy

I know right. there are mma fighters who know wing chun.

They only ban practitioners who've been at it for 8yrs or more and encourage those who've been at it a year or better yet, less.

@@theguyishere249 MMA fighters who incorporate WC techniques but are not themselves WC fighters of any real time practicing.

@@handsomeguy3857 not adrenaline but rules of the game, u'll get disqualified if u do those things

The kicks he uses are from Kenpo not Wing Chun. Jones trainer Mike Winklejohn never trained in Wing Chun. He holds something like a 3rd degree black belt in Kenpo. Those kicks come from Kenpo.

@@speedygogo doesn't matter where those kicks are from. Humans only have 2 arms 2 legs, of course there will be similar techniques between styles. I believe there's no such thing as exclusive Karate kicking way or Wing Chun kicking way or TKD kicking way....

@Alagander >WC kicks are useless Jones spam those knee stomps almost every fights to the point everyone start whining like a bunch of babies about it >Taekwondo kicks are useless High level Muay Thai, kickboxing and MMA guys has been using those head snap kicks in their fights for like 4 5 years now. All the triple spinning flashy stuffs are just practice for fun, the bread and butter TKD kicks exist in Karate, Savate, Sanda... as well. You might even want to check out Kwonkicker before jumping on the bandwagon talking about stuffs you have no knowledge about

@Alagander jesus, you even like your own comment. What am i expecting here

@@jaketheasianguy3307 The problem is if everyone throws that kick you can't give Wing Chun credit for it. Wing Chun is not banned they just suck in actual fights. There are lots of videos showing this. Look up "Wing Chun versus" and watch the loses pile in. Most traditional martial arts suck in actual fights. For whatever reason the Kung Fu guys are amongst the most delusional.

'Murican edumecation.

Very disrespectful. I hope you are a good fighter yourself.

thats his point, you cant use it in sparring or a match because you could blind someone or explode their balls or crush their wind pipe. Wing chun isnt designed as a sport to have sparring at matches its designed to terminate someone as quick as you can. if you had someone really use wing chun with no rules someone would end up seriously hurt. Every other martialk art has rules. wing chun has no rules, this is the problem hes pointing out. the reason people in wing chun "matches" get worked is because usually they are limited as to what they can do, whereas their training there is no limitations its a very dirty style of fighting. In mma theres no hitting in back of head, eyes, throat, groin, boxing no kicking, karate no knee kicks no groin kicks, thats why he mentioned jon jones gets looked down on for the wing chun knee kicks is because you could tear someones ligmanents or bust their knee cap with that kick, its a dirty kick, thats why people cant "playfully" fight with wing chun you will end up blind or not be able to walk for 6 months or get ur throat smashed. Its dirty fighting and thats not allowed in "sport" martial arts. wing chun and silat are designed to kill and use dirty techniques they arent meant for the ring or for full speed practicing. if the wing chun people could use the illegal moves itd be a diff story guy.

play by wing chun rules, one eye gouge ur mma fighter is useless...

Bil Jee eyes... definitely illegal lol

You train hard in any form it's engraved in your DNA and there's no holding back once you in fight mode

@@calnexusdynamics clearly you have no understanding of how things work. if you are a master of your profession when it comes to this you will have full control over your movements and will not under any circumstances use illegal moves in a sport situation or fight. Anything else would clearly signal that you are a danger to others and should not be allowed to compete since you can not be trusted to show restraint or composure in a heated situation.

Punching someone really hard in the back of the head is illegal. That doesn't mean that boxing is banned in MMA. There is NOTHING that Wing Chun does that boxing doesn't do better. I'd go so far as to say that Wing Chun is close to being functionally useless, which is why almost nobody uses it. Every single time someone says "this style isn't used in competition because so many of its techniques are illegal and/or too dangerous" that's code for "this style doesn't actually work in reality." You can lump Krav Maga in there too. Krav Maga is the honey badger of martial arts; internet memes and massive overhype has turned it into something it isn't. Krav Maga is basically horseshit; at best, you might go to a krav maga gym and learn a carbon copy of MMA, with a lot of machismo bulshit thrown in. At worst, you'll spend a few hours watching grown men hit each other with foam bats and call it "weapon training".

You can't say MMA is better than Wing Chun. MMA is not a style, Wing Chun is so therefor it is not comparable. Wing Chun, like most a lot of traditional arts in itself can't be used as a style in an MMA match but you can definitely take some techniques from it to add to your MMA style, for example the hand trapping.

@@King-pv8fk wing chun is no match against mma wrestling because it’s useless against it

​@@Yungbull999 did you even read what I just say or do you just speak without thinking about what you say?

MMA is totally a style of fighting.

@@King-pv8fk Wing Chun can be used in MMA fights.

Anderson Silva, Tony ferguson use some of the wing Chun moves. Watch tony and Pettit fight once

That's why I learned Krav Maga, Drunken style Kung Fu, Boxing, Wrestling, and sword fighting. Krav Maga literally tells you to do whatever is necessary to kill or neutralize your opponent as quickly and efficiently as possible. Drunken style kung fu teaches you to be unpredictable and gives your opponents a false sense of arrogance, boxing teaches you timing and footwork and teaches you to end a fight before it gets to the ground, wrestling teaches you to end it once it does get to the ground. Sword fighting is just a fun skill to have. I have actually been in a legit sword fight before. I didn't kill the other guy but I did show him I could have. What can I say, there can be only one.

@@joebaumgart1146 You sound like a virgin.

@KC [Prod. KillCXnf!rmed] How deadly can you be if you cannot decide if the art is "wing chin" or "wing chun" ? Ahhhhhhh, grasshoppa, first learn proofread, then learn baby-monkey style.

Have you learnt Wing Chun?

But it's true

Remove the glove, you'll see the difference

Yet they're banned. Obviously the dirty techniques work in the octagon. Otherwise they wouldn't be banned in the 1st place.

@@edgar22452 yup, fans often forget that ufc and these other fighting competitions are a sport. There’s rules and referees in every sport where there’s none in real situations. There’s a reason why Brazilian jujitsu wasn’t used at all in real life situations in the past. You can only clinch onto one person and you’re leaving yourself open to everything else.

MMA is not real fighting... because their are rules and referee and no one is fighting to the death...

muay thai was also originally made for killing, but kicking the groin is no different from a teep to the stomach, elbowing the throat is no different than elbowing the chin, and anyone who learns a jab can just extend the two fingers and aim at the eyes, just aim differently and there you go your dEadLy mArtIal aRt is now MMA legal

Muay Thai is one of most brutal ones so yeah - it is lethal. One of the most effective martial arts. Even tho I like Wing Chun more, there's less to... let's say "adapt" from Muay Thai for it to become very effective in a street fight. I'd not wanna fight Muay Thai fighter in a street fight. I have a lot of respect and understanding how effective it is. Truth is that you CAN adapt every martial art into a street fighting mode, just most of their users are like amateur dancers. They aren't self-body-aware and united with it through martial art but rather they are focusing on going with the taught "choreography", forgetting how different and unpredictable is a real fight from slow presentations. Unless you're fighting drunken man.

@@WerewolfMaster the street martial art its dumb. Street martial art its taking a Stone and Smash skull, or knife, or 2 guys w guns. Better run the 500m.

@@AdrianRodriguez-yq4up hoping your dumb legs are quick enough or you're not defending anyone. All my street fights were to defend someone like my friends or family. I'm not a unhonorable coward without dignity to leve my beaten close ones behind.

This is fucking hilarious. Your teacher was obviously a clown. BLOCKING with knees and elbows... how about laying into someone with knees and elbows. Hahahha first sign of someone who knows nothing... they talk about "street" fighting

In the military and my Security Contractors we called that the difference between "Training Them Until They Get It Right" and "Drilling Them Until They Can't Get It Wrong". Being 1 of the youngest (5 to 20 yrs. younger than most) and smallest (5'8" 150 lbs., 5% body fat at my lightest and 215 lbs. less than 5% body fat at my max) I got "Drilled" alot!

@@howardbartlett3026 All thé drills will not make you effective until you are in fights with many different opponents. And even then, along comes an attacker who does things differently than you have ever seen or experienced and all your muscle memory will go against you. The best skill is know how to effectively run away from any attack. The art of escape is the most effective.

@@perrypelican9476 Maybe so but one of my 2 32 mm quick rig sidearms, Barrett M82A1s or M107s ,personal M-14 or (my a family favorite) F-5 Tiger II (sidewinders, amraams,Lau 61s. Mavericks. and 20mm guns) managed to save the day. That said WE ONLY get paid if we WIN (payment is first priority). Have a nice day ! And yeah I went ahead and gave you a thumbs up anyway.

you are the first contractor i knew of that openly discussed their occupation and firearms of choice on KZfaq. Are you sure your aren't the hulk? You mentioned you got barrett m82a1 as you primary or m14, plus m107? 3 different guns with 3 different purposes that would be used in 3 different situations. Not sure how all 3 ended up in the same sentences. 100% of the contractor i knew are from a military back ground and you never mentioned serving anywhere. Lets cut to the chase, im calling your bull shi. Get your head outta yo arrrse and stop dreaming, you know how heavy a barrett is ? Carrying that with its .50 bmg? + 2 side arms ? M107 and m14? Man get tf outta here and stop dreaming bout missions and shi.

Your comment is THE comment. You just pointed in the right direction. Remember how in many movies it is depicted a master that can kill you with one single strike but can heal you at the same time? So just like the other comment, someone with little training can apply a potentially deadly technique and restrain from applying it to its fullest. I trained Kenpo Karate, and we always spared hard but never hurt any of my mates.

I would say, wing chung is pretty useless by itself and sparring isn't the problem. Only frontal punches and kicks, it's just poor. Stand in wing chun stance and you're dead. But if you mix it with other styles or techniques - it will do. For example: "shaolin kung-fu style" is in fact a mix of several styles, that's why it works. And yes, i was practicing wing chun for a while.

what y'all don't understand is Wing Chun, Kali, Panantukan or Krav Maga IS designed to "take out or disable" your opponent as quickly as possible. MMA is a sport so that's why such techniques are forbidden, because if those are legal. You would not be seeing any flashy moves, just people with broken arms/legs, pierced eyes and the most painful to watch groins being hit at full force. Sports is sports, fighting to kill/defend at any cost is something different. Just like when Roufus fought against Kietsongrit. Kietsongrit wasn't allowed to do any of the effective skillsets, just for the sake of Roufus to not be killed.

​@@incrediLance I agree. Many wing chun techniques are just "kick his balls or poke his eyes" to quickly disable your opponent. BUT. If you are fighting on the street - you have, like, 3 seconds to do this stuff. Because if you won't - your opponent will grapple you, or just knock you out. So, if your opponent can withstand a hit or if you miss your "deadly technique" - you're dead. That's the rule i was told by my sifu - if your wing chun is longer than 3 seconds - you lose.

@@Rampant_Mouse I get your point, but y'all talking as if grabbing someone is easier than hitting someone in the groin or poking someone in the eye. BJJ moves are allowed BECAUSE you can control it easier than not trying to poke someone in the eye, while you are trying (if you get what I mean). As I said MMA is still a sports, where control and rules are needed.

wing chun is a traditional lost in the categories of kung fu that's why it is not popular and exotic

Wing chun is better than MMA, mma has not blocks, and don't tell me about your stupid boxing block, and not style make everything only fighter, so shut your mma kido mouths

In a real fiight, there are not rules. Isn't that what you kids preach? If it cannot be proven through sparing it's useless? Huh? Yeah... only when it goes your way then right? Laughable...

@@shimizu67 wtf are u saying...any martial art is viable in a real fight...mma is mainly viable in a ring based competition..that's it..chill out eheh

@@fazares But MMA is all martial arts. BJJ will work in the trunk of a car. Lol

Wing chun kempo all dont work

I think people think martial arts like Wing Chun and Kempo work is becuz in movies they make everything seem so orginzied when in realitaly real fights are chaos and unpredictable and the ability to block EVER single block is immposile even if your a pro fighting a noob. You HAVE to get hit in order to land a hit sometimes. Theres no way to do this KongFu shit in real life.

@@ThatOnePhoneGuy Well the regular guy does no practice striking at all; ever in his life. These guys will handle someone like that, just because of muscle memory and technique. But an amature Real fighter will tell the truth to them.

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