Correct ! Same reason GM got rid of the impala

Yes, most consumers. Buy SUV because they hate the sloping C pillar of modern sedans affecting rear headroom space. This is due to stupid car designers designing sloping rear to achieve lower drag coefficient to get better fuel mileage whereby consumers hate buying this kind of sloping rear design sedan . Eg .Mercedes CLA, CLS, , Volvo S60 2000 till 2019 ( cannot sell), Audi A5, Peugeot 508, Opel Insignia, Ford Mondeo , VW PASSAT CC, Another one sedan forecast with low sales volume will be new Honda Civic .( Sloping rear roof design )

@@konsen6149 Fair, but I wouldn't place the blame on rear slope issues as this would also increase sales of wagons and hatchbacks due to its lack of one. What's actually causing SUVs to skyrocket is a combination of very basic things such as prices being equivalent to what the Accord and Civic are asking, more practicality in comparison to the hatchbacks and wagons we have on sale, a higher-grade of comfort, the bonus of it being guaranteed to handle many weather conditions, and the benefit of safety because the SUV will never lose in a crash (even though it sucks at avoiding them) EDIT: and if we take a look at a country like Japan, who has placed very strong taxes on larger vehicles, SUVs are pretty much non-existent and are favored for lesser priced vehicles. It may also help that these cars are forced to get smaller in order to comply with the tight Japanese roads (which is why the Suzuki Jimny exists) In Europe, the same thing can be said. SUVs are too big for the roads in Europe and some places it's impossible to drive with them without worrying about hitting something. While SUV sales have been on an incline in Europe as of recently, these have been regulated to the smaller class SUVs (compact and subcompact SUVs)

@@heart4011 yes heed your reply . Honestly and realistically speaking the new version of sloping rear design Honda accord does not sell well over this side . Buyer over this side do not like or buy sloping rear design sedan . European cars with sloping rear design sedan faces poor sales to the extend of extinction despite many sales promotions and offerings. The Japanese and Korean are smarter , especially Toyota , Mitsubishi, Nissan , Hyundai , their less sloping rear sedan sell very well compare to other European makers with sloping rear sedan so call sporty sedan ( non functional ) . This is the fact over here .

If sedans sat up higher and had a useable trunk with AWD they’d sell.

Bingo!

You nailed it!

Maybe people that are somewhat car knowledgeable prefer no turbo or CVT. But for the majority or regular consumer, like myself, I don’t care or don’t mind. I prefer a smooth car with transmission jerking. Especially, women, mommy, men too, don’t tend to care much. Just my perspective, no disrespect.

Yep, turbo charged engines wear out faster, CVT transmission is a bit jankety.

I agree. People aren't buying as many sedans any more.

Its the CVT, talked to mechanics that only do transmission work they recommend to never buy ANY car brand with a CVT. They are not meant to last.

I’ve never purchased a Honda for myself or family to drive 2 new Toyota’s turned me no comparison to a Cadillac Mercedes Benz or Lincoln. Honda and Toyota don’t compare to Hyundai why risk your family’s lives?

The Honda Accord used to be a great car. In the 90s. Hondas of the 2000s and beyond had major catastrophic problems related to the transmission prematurely failing and other major systems failures.

@@seektruthd4419 I wish people would stop saying this. Honda CVTs are extremely reliable. There are performance, and preference, reasons for not liking CVTs but the reliability shtick is massively overstated.

Great point for persons on a budget. I think the push button gear selector is also a turn off...

This! The civic overtime is just a better overall car then accord. Especially the 2022 si. Way better screen better fuel economy etc

They to dam expensive in my opinion

People love SUVs -- which are really just Tall Cars these days. Once upon a time they were trucks and didn't have to have good mileage or the same safety features. Families have so many better options than the accord and then there are the Korean makes that look super cool and are a touch cheaper. Really who is the ideal Accord owner these days? Think about. It isn't families, it isn't upscale professionals. Not young buyers or singles. Who is the Accord for if middle American families would all rather have an SUV?

I actually upgraded from a 2019 civic to a 2021 accord I really think its a worth while upgrade

Exactly. They dont have any to sell.

Also for basically same price you get an suv with AWD so why get a sedan?

Q50 is an underrated great deal these days. I also switched from “mainstream” midsize sedan to Q50 and much more impressed for similar $

i will never buy honda anymore.. my old 2020 honda accord gave me hard time

Yes, Honda ain't what is used to me. More bean counters, fewer engineers.

should have stuck to Ford then

@@angusp5515 Ford is way worse than honda

@@user-bd9lw9jp9t was being sarcastic there.

These new accord MSRP base model LX is closer to $30K than $20K ! (USA). It’s crazy.

@@levimagnusson5880 That is to be expected, as with most cars these days. The USD is a depreciating asset, and that depreciation has accelerated over the past 2 years. Look up a inflation calculator. 30K in 2016 is the equivalent in 2022 of $35.5K; and that is with the cooked CPI numbers. The car(s) would have only gotten cheaper if priced in almost any other inflation resistant asset....SPY/Apple/google shares, gold, BTC, ECT.

Did you forget we are also still in a pandemic?

@@goosty17 i don’t mean based on market value, I’m talking about msrp, that is set by manufacturers and isn’t affected by inflation, sales price is effected by inflation

@@levimagnusson5880 Of course the MSRP is affected by inflation. The dollar the MSRP is priced in is physically worth less and less over time; the manufacturer needs to raise said MSRP to achieve the same monetary value that it did before. Again; even going by the ever increasing MSRP; the car would have only gotten cheaper when priced in the number of assets that have held their monetary value against inflation.

I got rid of my 2019 Touring 2.0T after only one year of owning it.

Great car never get the 1.5

New car dealers are lying about car shortage so they can charge over MSRP, glad that nonsense MSRP overcharge isnt happening in Canada......

So true!

I can’t get over the front of the car. It’s just ugly. Throw an older nose and more head room on it and you have a winner

I think that whether we like it or not Honda are sort of becoming a "luxury" brand, in the sense that you can get similar sized Chevys, Kiss, Mazdas, etc. But some people (like myself and my family) would rather spend the extra money to have the luxury of reliability and dependability.

BMW twin-scroll turbo straight 6. NO lag

Honda turbo engines are garbage for long term reliability

@@Thankyou_3 Not in my experience. Had three turbo cars from Honda, all did over 200k no problems. Also had three BMW turbos, the turbos failed on all of them before 100k! Luckily they were all company cars, but I certainly would never buy one as a private purchase!

@@nollypra2752 you drove 600K in 4 years. Sounds like fake news.

The Camry has a naturally aspirated ( non- turbo ) engine & a 6-speed automatic ( non-CVT ) transmission. Honda reliability can’t compete with that. Turbos & CVT’s just don’t have the long term reliability that you get in the Camry.

Honda had initial problems when they first introduced the turbo engine but it's widely accepted that they've mastered it now. CVT will always be a big issue because from a consumer POV, you get an extra few MPG but on the flip side, you get a transmission that wears out faster and can't be remanufactured, costing owners thousands of dollars for a new CVT, if they want to keep it long term. Most people who buy accords or Camry's, want to keep them long term.

The new Accord is far superior to the 2014 Accord. Its a different class, more solid, sportier, good dynamics. I have seen the 1.5T engine with over 200k and no issues

Well you can say that about any car as there are always cars that achieve 200k miles. Doesn’t mean that’s the norm. I’ve been researching 2018 + Accords and I see a lot of issues with that tiny 1.5 T. I think that’s one of reasons Accord sales are starting to slump.

@@angusp5515 and yet, they were selling a lot more Accords in 2014. (Also disagree with the comparison - "far superior"). Both a very good cars. But not everyone is necessarily sold on the advantages of tiny turbocharged engines and electric parking brakes.

@@marzzgli1278 1.5T had issues mainly on the 1st year civics and CRV, since its a new engine. They now are more solid. Accord with 1.5T can get nearly 40mpg. Sales are slumping due to the SUV craze.

got to be stupid to buy suv...short wheel base, bumper ride..i pull up beside about any suv...my camry is bigger

Sorry but the Camry SE is just plain boring rental car that drives like a boat. The Accord is a much better car with more features even with a turbo its faster.

Yep I'm not alone, Turbos wear the engine out and eventually leak, the CVT while more fuel efficient will not outlast an automatic, you can't even rebuild them. Too costly and only work if you plan on selling it before warranty ends.

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I don’t like the way the cvt’s feel and drive. That’s why I sold my CVT car. I would take the version with the turbo and the manual however.

Yes, CVTs are discriminated against because of Nissan. There's no doubt that CVTs offer a mileage benefit. Also, CVTs do have the benefit sometimes of being zippier on the road. Honda does a pretty good job with that. The CRV is a surprisingly quick car.

I have a 2013 and 2014 accord (identical) one ex and one lx both with 115k+ on them with no major issues, used transmissions are like 600 shipped with 40k to 60k miles on them so I think it will be replaced as soon as it takes a 💩

The 2.4s are solid🤜🤛

Bro there are just too many of them

that won’t help sells, especially with these high gas prices

@@b1bo840 well said, folks want gas savings vehicles......

@@crow_2k11beatsbydre8 Until they don’t again…

People want the Accord with more power aka the V6 and throw in the 6 speed manual as well.. The 4cyl or 4cyl turbo don't make enough power and or people question the reliability issues of those turbo engines with a mid size car.

Scotty’s thoughts as well

The CVT is a boing little gas saver!

Unfortunately Turbo and CVT is the future now. Get with it or get lost

This. I would bet 30-40% of those sales are fleet and rental sales. Easily inflates the numbers making them seem better then what they are.

You are so right my friend

That really is the reason

and pickups

I have a 2013 Honda Accord Sport and was totally happy until recently my Tire inflation light blinks then my Emergency power steering light and traction comes on. It steers with no problem and I’m told it could cost me several thousand at dealership to have repaired. I just don’t have that kind of money! Trying to save to take it in to find out the problem!

Makes sense as Accord/Mazda6 and Camry/Altima buyers are not cut from the same cloth.

agreed

You made all valid points

I agree with this. They have compromised the engines with cheap turbos. I think the design also plays a role. The new accord is getting better when they started it about 5 years ago I looked bad. The old accords looked tougher yet luxurious. They also got rid of the accord coupes which I say where awesome.

The turbo is not a problem, it's fuel efficiency and power is superb for its size and is near silent while cruising. The only real problem is the oil dilution which takes place, this requires a more frequent oil change regime and must be rectified going forward if it has not been already, but it is by no means an unreliable engine. Besides, in the next 10 years every offering from honda and Toyota and other contemporaries will be either fully electric or a hybrid of some sort.

@@commandertaco1762 I see, so this 1.5 engine should be reliable for 300k miles? I love the new Accords, not a lot of cars can beat its driving dynamics , comfort and solid built but this oil dilution was the only thing keeping me back . I'm gonna have to look in at

If that's what you think, be consistent. You might as well hate the Sonata for having the push-button shifter as well and hate the Altima and Legacy for having CVTs.

@@Blank00 I do, would never buy any Hyundai, Nissan, or Subaru regardless!!!

This. Accord no longer has hardly any edge over any other offering. Meanwhile KIA/Hyundai/Genesis have all but mastered interior/exterior design for the average consumer, pricing between trims levels, warranty length, continues to lead in JD Power quality/dependability ratings, and marketing. Can’t tell you last time I’ve seen marketing for Honda Accords. I use to be a Honda fanboy. Switched to Kia 10 years ago and haven’t looked back.

@@antwonpowell4590 Kia’s marketing is definitely better! Plus the 2015 and up Kia’s are just better then the accords. The accord also needs a redesign

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Excitedly! Cars at some point will be extinct. That's why I'm hanging on to my 1994 Honda Accord EX Sedan 5 speed manual. They won't be making any manuals anymore, at some point

@@mikebingham9700 You do know that the redesigned 2022 Honda Civic has models that can had with a 6pd manual?

@@mikebingham9700 Because the car should do the work, not you…

@@texasyank48 Yes I know, but soon they won't make them anymore, because of slow sales. very few people buy manual cars.

The 2017 models looked a lot better.

Have you driven the 2.0 turbo....you won't miss the v6

Yeah, it's ugly.

Agreed. The accord has a weird design just after the passenger door. It also seem bloated.

10th gen accord have best look

The CVT is perfectly fine for daily driving. Ppl think everyone launches their car and drives like a hooligan. It's an Accord for ffs. And Honda make pretty decent CVTs The car has the decent power and that's all the typical owner needs.

@@NicotineRosberg well, i might test drive one if i reach the point of forced replacement and can't find the 2.0 ten speed in good condition used.

2.0t is quick which has a type R motor with a smaller turbo

@@retroguy1976 no it's not a type R motor. They are actually 2 different engines lol. Similar? Yes but not the same

@@retroguy1976 The only similarity they have is, they are both 2 Liters. Haha Everything else is different internally.

Then they slam there heads on the hood of those SUVs when they see what it takes to fill them up.

@D.L. Gray Where did you get that the CR-V was cheaper ? It's base price is 300$ more than the Accord on Honda's web site. In your opinion, what car of this size is not overpriced and is not crap ?

@D.L. Gray yr about right. I've had 4 Honda's but mainly civic. When they made the body bulky it made zero sense. Right now prices are skyrocketing across the board but more so at Honda dealerships. Just serviced my civic and their mark up is 7-10k on all models. Went to other competitors and their prices were relatively the same. Honda has a huge following but will loose buyers with this tactic. Me being one.

@D.L. Gray true on keeping it. I have Civic Si 2012 with 197k and refuse to give it up. Paid 16k with 23k miles on it. I'm keepin it until Honda prices come down. No way spending 3k-10k over cost.

@D.L. Gray Did you miss the word «cheaper» in your own comment ? As I can see, it is obvious you are not aware of the car specifications. The CR-V is based on a Civic frame, not the Accord. Both cars have the same engines and the Accord is more economical in MPG. The cabin is cheaper in the CR-V. Just look at the infotainment system. The one in the Civic is dated and the next CR-V will get the same as the one in the existing Accord. Sitting higher is not an advantage in terms of handling. The Accord is a lot better than the CR-V in that domain. Just a have a look at the critics ! Of course if you are a boomer I can understand why you prefer to sit higher. You may not like the look of the Accord but it has nothing to do with the car quality. Year after year, the Accord is considered one of the best «family car» by MotorTrend (best in 2022). Still searching for a better and not overpriced sedan ?

The cvt isn’t a issue because the small the 2.0 engine has a 10 gear automatic transmission. SUVs and crossovers are the issue

My last Accord had a CVT, I didn't see what all the fuss was about. Found it very smooth and reliable for 60k when I sold the car. My only concern was longevity and really haven't heard that being an issue yet and it's been around for some time now.

@@boatlover1875 car wizard serviced a CVT after 20k miles and the oil was completely black. It's not a good advert for CVT & longevity.

@@michaelbroderick6830 That was always my concern long term, are you talking about the crankcase oil or transmission fluid? I didn't not experience that in almost 70k. I also kind of worry about extra complexity in these newer 10 speed automatics to be honest. Love the Car Wizard!!

@@boatlover1875 it was the transmission fluid I think. Now I think the CVT had already done some mileage before he serviced it twice but I don't remember the mileage.

They will do a redesign as a next gen accord.. I do love hondas but a bit more expensive, so I drive toyotas instead.

The push buttons are so much more relaxing. Better then clugging a shift lever, lame

Yes, the coupes were awesome models (one on my block still) and same with no more manual versions being made and not factored in any more.

That not the point of this video. He talking about sales

@@kromahj people were citing the fact that the standard trim Accord uses a CVT as one reason to shy away from purchasing one.

@@chrissimmons9969 oh ok. I hate CVT too

Wow, I'm glad to hear that! I just bought a used 2015 Accord EX last year in May... I knew I preferred the "older" body style (9th generation) & I was fortunate to be looking around online & found the color I liked & it had VERY LOW mileage- only had 28,000 on it, a 6 year old Accord! Very "gently" used! 🚘 SOLD!!!!! 🙋‍♀️ lol

I have 2008 Accord V6. She running like a champ too. No major maintenance at 160k. Hope she can keep up with the good work till 300k.

One of the reasons Honda dropped the V-6 engine was to improve their CAFE rating. Another is that, according to the Honda dealership that I deal with and have been 1998, is that buyers were more interested in the 4 cylinder variants. They said that towards the end, they were having selling v-6 versions.

Those V6s weren't perfect either. Each one I had burned oil like no other and they we notorious for bad piston rings. Also, the automatic transmission wasn't great

@@Motinhox I have a 2007 V6 Accord with 144K miles. It does not burn oil at all and transmission works fine nor ever rebuilt. We bought a 2020 Camry to replace it, but could not part with it. I still prefer the Accord to the new Camry.

Absolutely! Also, where is the Panoramic Sunroof?

That is why I purchased a Camry

Right there with ya. I did not want a CVT and I wanted a V6.

@@Growla I live at high altitude, so I lose 3% hp for every 1,000 feet. For me that’s 21% less hp in my hometown. I usually get a V6, but there were none to be found for less than $30k. I was lucky enough that the car I got had just come in on the truck while I was at the dealership. They literally had to unwrap it for me to test drive. One of the largest dealers in Colorado, and they had all used in their showroom.

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Hondas unequivocally are inferior cars to Toyotas. This is industry fact, not opinion. Anyone who has worked on both cars will tell you that Toyotas use superior parts and have better initial build quality than Hondas.

@@JonNobleNobelOne not true. Build quality is and always has been very comparable between the two cars over the years, while the Camry has always appealed to people who generally just look at their car as a device or appliance to take them from point A to point B. People that buy the Accird typically appreciate the better driving dynamics that virtually every generation of Accord has had compared to the much more generic driving characteristics that Toyota’s always had.

I agree. I’m not with the turbo nonsense either

Completely agree. Honda abandoned its traditional buyers with adding in no choice but to get turbo or cvt or both. No thanks to either of those. Give us option of stout naturally aspirated engine with rock solid 6 to 8 speed transmission and you would get a lot of buyers back.

@@MrJestyler that’s why a lot switch to Camry

I agree. The Camry looks better, and I trust the way Toyota uses both port and direct injection. I won't buy a car with strictly direct injection.

I agree with you. That was the second issue for me. I want a normally aspirated engine. Like I had with my old accord. Not some little tiny turbocharged engine, that will not last as long as the Accord I had before. Which easily exceeded 307000 trouble free miles. Even when I purchased a 2016 civic, I made sure I wanted the normally aspirated engine. Now, you don't have any choice but to get a turbocharged engine. They will not last as long in my opinion.

Exactly!

I feel the exact opposite. Accord refined smoother ride, More power, better handling and better looks.

@@BkBk-gy6vr yea the accord looks like a Sci fi reject from a b rated movie.. no thanks!! I'd rather die than be seen in a 10th gen accord 🤝 🤮

Accord is better. More refine and better interior

The Accord 2.0 will smoke the 300hp Camry all day! Camry too heavy! Look it up on KZfaq!

Accord fun to drive.

How about a BMW? Have you owned one of them? If so, how did it compare to the Honda? Thanks

He thinks jeeps are good cars so ignore him

2023 Accord is also getying redesigned

And the Coupe!

You're right the price for a 2018 Accord is almost as high as a new car. No way, I would pay that!

@@mikebingham9700 So back in 2019 he wanted to sell me this same Accord for $10k. He was taking a slight loss but nothing extreme. I honestly didn't see the value in it and kept my Malibu. Well that Accord is now worth $18k. It went up in price about 6 to 7 grand. Crazy. Sometimes I wish I would've bought it but my Malibu refuses to die. 291k miles and shows no signs of giving up

Caution: Never by a Honda Accord with a V6. Potentially too many problems. A mechanic told me this!

@@DJR5280 There is no way the guy is selling a 2018 Honda Accord for $10,000, unless it's a salvaged car or it has 200,000 miles on it!

@@mikebingham9700 He was gonna sell it to me back in 2019 for $10k. I think trade in was worth $11k at the time. Now it's worth a lot more. Only has 61k miles now. Back them it was like 43k miles

I chose the Camry over the Accord earlier this year for the same reason - not interested in turbos or CVTs. Not to mention, I test drove the Accord and overall thought it was nicer than the Camry but I just couldn't pull the plug and buy one.

@@terence4427 yeah I don’t mind turbos as much. They make a much punchier funner drive but cvt nah I’ll pass lol. Those things are cheap. The Accord looks nice but to buy the top trim with the 10 speed is kind of the same with the Camry top trim. Your getting into entry Lexus price ranges by then.

the 2.0 sport is not top trim

@@b1bo840 you’re right not top trim but base price on that one is about $8k more than an entry level Camry that includes an 8spd automatic.

Sales did not really drop. Its the SUV craze thats going on that hurt the Accord sales. Also the new Accord is probably best looking Accord yet. Very sharp.

Lol as the others have said Honda tuned the 1.5 turbo for regular gas. Technically no Honda car *requires* premium. My old '16 Touring v6 even then didn't, it's preferred perhaps but Honda themselves say regular unleaded is just fine.

@Tony Camaj I have the V6 J32 in my 2006 TL and it does say it 'prefers' premium. I have put 87 in it for 13 years and so has my friend who owns the same car. No problems with either car.

Honda has had turbos since the early 2010's on the RDX, they know what they're doing. The Civic has been out and turbo'd since 2016, issues besides the dilution which has been solved simply with a different oil, haven't been popping up. I think it's safe so say they're more reliable than compeitiors, at least.

Yes, time will tell. But as with all engines, good maintenance goes a long way toward great reliability down the road. This probably applies even more with a turbo. Honda engineering is solid and owners of the more recent turbo cars should expect great service life. If you're at all curious about the 2.0T and how it drives compared to the V6 it's just a matter of taking one on a test drive. I was really quite amazed with the 1.5T Accord I bought and they continue to run on regular gas as recommended by Honda.

Literally took me only 1 day to get used to it and I love it. It’s easy to use and it really opens on the center console.

@@Unforgiven118 yes exactly. I was surprised at how much more open space there is without a gear shifter sticking up. Not to mention how much cleaner it is in appearance. I love it as well.

The CR-V, Pilot, and the Passport have been cannibalizing Accord sales for years now. The three models will continue to do so. The CR-V used to occupy the space between the Civic and Accord in the general size. With the new CR-V going to the RDX platform, the new HR-V will soon start taking sales from the CR-V, Accord, and the Civic it is based on. If Honda made AWD available on their traditional sedans, maybe sales won't slide so much.

Agreed those Koreans automakers are cheaper and much improved, but not better than Honda.......

If that happen the civic will never sell

If you’re choosing the Camry because of the engine then i think you would definitely love the 2.0 accord, i just got mine 2021 and it’s definitely quicker than the Camry

If you do buy the Camry make sure you do get the V6. I wanted a V6, but opted for the I4 due to price. Although the I4 has a traditional automatic transmission it slips under light acceleration. The feeling is like an old transmission about to fail. Slipping as it can't decide what gear to be in. Toyota is aware of this, but does not consider it a problem and will not issue a fix. I did not want a CVT, but I am not sure I am much better off with this. I cannot believe they could tolerate this slipping with the power of a V6. No way.

@@Growla My sister has an older 4cyl and doesn't realize how reliable and low maintenance it is but it is underpowered. I would only get a V6 on Camry.

I am now right where you were a month ago........Accord or Camry????? My 5 day work week consists of driving 120 miles a day on the highway. So I am considering 2 models currently: Accord Touring Hybrid or Camry XSE Hybrid. From all of the research I have done, there is one distinct difference between the engine setups. The Accord when comparing mpg does better slightly than the Camry around town with stop and go traffic due to its Regen Braking System. But the Camry does roughly 5mpg better on the hwy. So you would think the obvious choice for me would be the Camry. Heck seems 1 out of every 15 vehicles I see on the road where I am are all Camrys, so it's not like the popularity isn't obvious. The Accord does bring a price tag of $4,500 more than the Camry. And Toyota gives you (already in the price of the car) a 2yr or 24k miles Maintenance Plan. It would seem like I am talking myself into the Camry as I am sure this is probably what anyone that bought the Camry probably considered before buying because these cars are very similar in the market. But the thing that is stuck in the back of my mind is the Accord does look better. Giving you wireless Apple Carplay or Android Auto, A/C ventilated front seats, tinted rear glass, and the Sonic Gray Pearl beats the 3 color options for the Camry. What is also sticking out to me since I had been looking at turbo cars like the Golf GTI or R, Audi A4, and so forth.......the Honda turbo engines allow for regular gas which is not normal in a turbo market. Premium here is $5.20gal and only slated to rise in price. So it will actually come down to driving both cars.........who knows......if the local Honda dealer throws in the same maintenance plan I will probably sign so we will see.

@@Remnant1976 for me the final issue is simply the perception of these cars regarding vandalism and theft. I see more of that on Accords. I won’t be buying Audi or VW again because of reliability issues. Camry seems more sturdy when carrying more people in the car and I actually don’t mind the understated basic look however the nightshade edition looks good on a Camry and Venza too.

Needs to get more sleek. The Acura Integra is out now and if it delivers the way it looks it will take over quickly. Only thing is pricing.

Gl 6-7 years down the road

@@minhnguyen96 well sir it is 6 years down the road with 66386 mile on it and only thing I've done is changed the tires and oil.

@@minhnguyen96 O sorry changed the air filter.