Don’t give those DBC fools any kudos

Agree 100% I'm tired of watching momentum races

@@AIC5150 Horsepower made this sport. Arguing against it just plain stupid.

100% agree

The King said give em 800hp and let em race again! Seen it on a Short yesterday

He won’t be able to get a word in with Clint constantly talking over everybody. Unless he’s replacing Clint which would be nice.

The 900hp would fix a lot

Where do I sign

Nah, Godhardt's porridge brains came up with the overtime line and he was hollering about the valence without understanding why the splitter is actually more effective.

They already help manage/part own the Cars tour. They do a great job over there.

Better yet, buy Flo Racing and support the CARS Tour, you know... The series they ALREADY OWN TOGETHER...

@@FloridaManRacer I do. I think that's why people would be a fan of them doing that in nascar too.

I am of the opinion that top-level series exist to push limits, but if the manufacturers throw a hissy fit then 800+ is at least a solid starting point.

Twisted Sister days? I'm a fan, but I don't get the reference.

@@thezombie7839 so the twisted sister was the slang name given to the gen 4 cars before the COT came in 08. It was pretty much flat on the passenger side and all rounded and shaped on the drivers side. I suggest getting on Google and looking up Nascar Gen 4 Twisted Sister car

@@thezombie7839 Back in the mid-2000's the cars became extremely asymmetrical in their body design for aero reasons. If you look up "Twisted Sister NASCAR" you'll see how radically different the left side of the body is from the right side, and this was all to maximize performance at a counterclockwise oval.

Look at Ta Trans am cars. 850-900hp NASCAR engines. It’s proven to work for them.

The problem was Toyota kept blowing up their engines. They were the ones who pressured NASCAR to lower the horsepower.

High downforce was used in 2014

@@ChrisMolyneaux93 Wasn't the case

@@Michael29Shell which team do you work for?

@@cliff4695 it is common knowledge that NASCAR used High downforce in 2014. NASCAR said so themselves when they released the package in 2013. IDK why fans hated it then.

Correct!

That expense would be 10 times more than adding horsepower

Or grooved slick tires like they had in F1 from 1998 to 2008.

Bring back the HP!!!!

@@VladimirBlarp Adding horsepower doesn't fix the problems caused by having too much tire. All of this tire(they made them nearly 1.5" wider than the old 15s, even though they pulled a ton of HP out of them) is the reason why switching to a softer compound doesn't make them fall off sooner - they're SO damn big, they have SO damn much thermal mass that they can't overheat them to make them fall off. Horsepower may help wear out the rears sooner... but these are also professional race cars drivers with real throttle control, so I wouldn't go banking on a drastic difference in rear tire wear just because you may assume that they're going to being doing burnouts out of every corner. Still aren't going to wear out the fronts either of course. They could ballast the cars up to 4000lbs to put more heat into those 14.3" worth of tire at each corner, but I don't believe anyone really thinks that's a good idea. Maybe take a ton of aero away(like seems to be popular), but that's pretty sketchy to rely so heavily on pure mechanical grip on the high speed ovals. It's lot harder to recover a push up truck without downforce on the nose; it's a lot harder to recover a slide mid-corner without rear downforce - would likely be more cars into the wall, which no one wants. It'll be a painful switch for everyone involved - but they just need to rip the band-aid off sooner than later, because there aren't any shortcuts to fixing having too much tire. More horsepower is probably needed(unless they took like 3" of tire away or something drastic that actually paired with their HP target) too, but it isn't fixing the problems caused by the tire.

To reduce costs for all teams is why.

@@DV1287😂 every time nascar makes a rule to “reduce costs” they literally go up and always have

You don't want hard tires. Hard tires allow for consistent lap times throughout a run with Iittle to no wear which keeps the cars all running the same rough lap times and makes for follow the leader. You want a softer tire that starts fast and falls off hard, with high HP so that its put in the drivers hands to save their stuff. This will lead to a bigger lap time variance which equals passing.

@@DV1287 That's worked out really well. How many cars show up for qualifying now lololol.

@@tritontransportlike fuel injection to help fuel mileage. 1k carb replaced by 25k ecu and injection setup..fuel mileage was identical lol.

I always said that was the change that made the cars too aero dependent.

I agree. That's definitely a factor. How much, I don't know, but when you're talking fractions of an inch here and there for gains, something like ride height is definitely going to be a factor.

@@nomadman5288 I mean, we know it’s a factor because when they got rid of that rule the cars started making way more grip and going faster. If I remember correctly, it’s one of the reasons that led to them reducing horsepower because the cars were going so much faster. It started with tapered spacers in 2015 and led to the 550 package in 2019. Just my 2 cents

100%. Chad Knaus called them out about it on live TV at Talladega a few years ago and hadn’t been invited back to the booth since

Pretty sure that was when he earned the nickname “Happy”.

Harvick, perhaps? 🤣🤣🤣 I think the knowing laughs mighta spoken volumes here.

It was Harvick for a long time, but, obviously, they patched things up sometime in 2022 hence the Dale Jr Download season finale interview with Harvick a year ago.

@@gothard5 : I know they patched things up - but not until Jr. had been in the booth for a couple of years! Jr. was talking about his thought process at the time that he retired and went to the booth. At that time, Harvick may well have been on the list of guys he wasn't looking forward to saying nice things about!

Kyle Busch prolly on that list......and a lot of others if we're being completely honest lmao (This is coming from a former die-hard JGR Toyota _loyalist_ btw)

I stopped being dedicated to watching nascar consistently the day of summer Atlanta in 2022. Yes my boy Chase won but it’s not been the same since this next gen showed up. Then I went on vacation and all of this other stuff spent more time with family and missed even most of the coke 600. I forced myself to watch xfinity at Las Vegas this fall and fell asleep. I fall asleep in alot of races. I fell asleep watching fall Daytona too. I still love the sport but I enjoy playing it more on iRacing than watching it on tv but watching it in person is great if I ignore the empty seats and pretend it’s the golden age.

Exactly. They've already lost over 75% of their lifelong diehard fans like me.

@@howabouthetruth2157and they may lose me next year

But we don’t have to worry about that any more. The racing on the intermediate tracks with the Gen 7 is the best racing we have now.

@@hunternixonfishing2500 I agree. The new car is a lot better than the 550 package on the old car.

All I know is the current package on short tracks is so pathetic that when I saw the Martinsville race come on on one of the TVs at the gym, I thought the field was under caution… when it was actually a green flag run.

And people died every other week and failures happened every other lap.

@loveracing1988 read history, no they didn't. While injury may have been higher, they made the cars as fast with less bs. You missed the point.

Because NASCAR is pigheaded

he’ll buy into shr

Hellcats have forced induction. But I do agree: NASCAR needs to lay off with all of their stupid, limiting rules and allow more HP back into these engines. But what the hell does my say have........I turned my back on nascar cup racing years ago. And I was a diehard fan from the very 1st start to finish televised race back in the 70's. They've really ruined this sport in every way they could come up with.

The car was lighter so could go faster

I thought they scrapped that idea

a parking lot or an office building

Until things are better for getting loans and what not your not going to see a new track

Half assed and pointless. Like everything else in this worthless state.

@@rdaws73 nope they already have started tearing up parts of turns 1&2 and 3&4.

How to fix nascar: Scrap the next gen add xfinity car to cup with some changes to make them cup ready 900 hp everywhere 750 hp on superspeedways Full season points format Numbers back in the middle Better marketing They want the future stuff run bio fuels, electric garbage is not the answer and will kill the sport.

@@drewhalloran9 First off, the way the industry is going, the best thing NASCAR can do is kill off the Cup Series that costs $50 mil a year to run in it's current form, and do a consolidation. Second, Make it the Xfinity Cup Series with a budget cap of $12mil because that's what top teams are currently spending... THAT will reign in costs, allow for one company to sponsor a car all year long which helps build brand identity, and as good as the racing is in Xfinity, don't change ANYTHING about the cars. I mean they're already 700hp which is more than the Cup cars currently are, and you're not making them spend more on engines... then do the full points format and fix the numbers and you've got something worth paying attention to...

​@@drewhalloran9ass

@@johnhaas2523 don’t describe yourself that way it’s self deprecating.

Come On Dale. Make the Case for A more Narrow Tire& little to No Downforce for short Tracks be 100% real. 300hp or 5000 HP a narrow tire will Make A difference.

Toe link can't be any stronger than it is without causing something big to brake

@johnhaas2523 the rear can be modified to not even use a toe link..

​@@rattlejuggalo13would have to get rid of independent rear suspension and I don't see that happening as truck arms was outdated technology

@johnhaas2523 Actually, making a lower H arm keeps the IRS. IT just eliminates the toe link