Crazy to think we are adding fans in such a horrible stretch but welcome brotha

@@OfficalPrinceToni hate to say it but I literally started liking them out of pity... Then I watched the players and grew attached to Cade and Duren. Here for life now 😭

​@@kingbear1812we're gonna get get back to the top, glad to have you on board!!

@@kingbear1812 LMFAO all understandable and finally better days are ahead the young core is enticing

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 hell yeah 💪

Thanks man 🫡

For what it’s worth he has a lot of games that we lost in the 4th.

I think that will also be the projected lineup. Langdon said Ron & Ausar aren't playable simultaneously right now so one will start while the other be a rotation asset. Cade-Ivey-Ausar-Tobias-Duren

​@philosoqhy there's absolutely no spacing in that lineup, Cade needs 2 to 3 shooters on the floor with him and then you will see superstar Cade

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Idc what Cade needs. Nobody is above the law. Langdon stressed patience in his pc so that's the ideology going forward. Ausar & Holland can't play simultaneously rn so Cade have no choice but to submit to Langdon future philosophy.

@@philosoqhy I agree @wrongthinkpodcast2140 lets be honest the pistons are not gonna compete this yr

Lol not really

Should have last year but weaver was doing dumb deals and we would’ve owed the Knicks our pick we still owe them a pick this year

I want stew starting the 4.

Nope stew no Holland no

@@williambutler4847 Agreed, but Holland can't play PF, I like him at the 3.

that is a great point, you are right. but i still think tobias is better than both bey and grant.

Possibly! $26 million in cap left for next year as of now. Sounds like they might use the remaining cap space to take on a bad contract from another team and gain draft picks while doing so though.

@@JacobPistons thanks man!!

A better option would be to swap Ivey for Thompson and bring Ivey off the Bench with Holland

no defense

​@@Kenyonkicks thompson should not start

If Ivey can knock down threes we will be decent

No defense

I’ve been trying to decide on that still. I think the best two options would be Cade/Ivey/Tek/Tobias/Duren Or Cade/Malik/Ausar/Tobias/Duren But I haven’t really landed on which one I would prefer yet. If I absolutely had to pick one right now I’d go with the first, but I might still change my mind.

not in a bad way u clearly cant analyze the improvements. youre a casual.

Stew has to start or else you're tanking, just because Duren is so much worse than Stew.

Yeah, probably. We’ll see with Bobi Klintman, he played real minutes in the NBL last year so he might be able to contribute. I don’t think Bickerstaff will play all of those guys at once though often. Think it is wise to keep either Ivey or Cade on the floor at all times and stagger their minutes, even if they both start. Never rest them together.

@@JacobPistons I hope we sign some back up centers and a point guard.

​@@JacobPistonsIvey has to go!!!

He has an offensive arsenal much better scorer than Ausar. Hopefully Ausar has worked on his shooting. Imagine 6'8" PG Cade SG Ausar SF Holland PF Tobias And 6'11"Duren.All long athletic fast Defensive minded. That line up will be a challenge to deal with.

nah, less spacing

Exactly. Although idk if Stew can actually play five. Opponents flambéd our defense when he was at the five and teams don't actually care enough about him as a shooter to take their big out of the paint. We still need a real back up five Or maybe get Dario Saric and play them together. Then just have Saric play up to stop PnR and use Stew and Holland as the low man. (Like Denver does.) Offensively, Saric can do all the five out stuff and you create a mini Sixers off the bench with Ivey in the Maxey role and Holland in the Oubre role. (I think Sasser is probably the odd man out.) Although running two different offenses (and defenses) for the starters and bench is a lot for a young team. That would require an insane level of coaching

@@lgt2529 Cade and fronttechio can space floor Ivey with ball asuar cutting

Why would you take the ball out of Cades hands??? He finished the season top 10 in the NBA in assits...Jaden Ivey, isn't a point guard, every time his usage goes up his turnovers go sky high lol I wish people actually understood the game

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Because Cade isn't Luka and using him off ball a little would make the game easier for him. Both Cade and Ivey had a 17% turnover rate as rookies. (Cade was 14.1 to 14.7 last year.) Oladipo was 19%, Wall was 19%, Russ was 18%, Fix was 16%, Ja was 17%, Trae was 18% Ivey's turnover rate is perfectly normal for his experience level. It will get better as he ages. Typically it levels out between years 3-5 It's very important to attack a defense in multiple ways because NBA players are very intelligent. If you do the same thing over and over they will stop it pretty easily. Think about it like a pitcher. Even if he has a plus fastball and curve he's still going to mix in his cutter, slider and changeup to keep the better off balance vs just throwing two pitches. THAT is why you take the ball out of Cade's hands. Lowering turnovers isn't always a good thing either. It's like interceptions in football. There is an appropriate amount of risk a player needs to take. Wall and Westbrook are perfect examples of high turnover guys their entire career but they put so much pressure on the defense with their ability to get to the rim that they acted more as loss leaders. _They_ were inefficient but they got everyone else easier shots because of all the attention they attracted

Then you shouldn't love it, right?

Hater. (Then watch Packer Football.) oxy -

​@@davidmcpherson1347I like the Pistons, I like Cunningham, and I think they were better than their record reflected. My hate is directed at players like Harris, who spend years underperforming and escaping criticism. I hope you aren't relying on him.

Agreed, and sadly that’s been most of his career so far lol

25+

You forgot to factor in now having a "coach" who is actually "trying to win," not "get fired" so he can leave town with the "bag." That should be worth a few wins I'm guessing. : )

Ausar is more of a PF than Holland. Holland can play SG.

Should be 37 to 45 wins, because THIS teams roster is NOT set; we have $$$$$$$ cap money to use, and Langdon ain't done YET. (Not by long shot.) 😉

Yah just signed Beasley. Still money on the table to spend

With you 100%. Have to crawl before you walk and walk before you run, we need to start moving in the right direction and unfortunately we jump from a 14 win team to a 60 win team overnight so 30 would be a great improvement

That's not happening.

BIG FACTS!!!

I can't see THJ starting over Ivey. I think Ausar can play on ball some for the 2nd unit. It would help negate his lack of shooting too so i agree that he come off the bench

I would prefer Ausar and Fontecio play together the most. If that means Ausar starts or comes off the bench I don't know but you play Ausar at times with Fontecio and sometimes with Tobias. I think you play Ron Holland with Tobias and even at SG at times. Ausar is more of a true forward (PF/SF) I think Ron Holland is more of a true wing with guard skills.

Stew is better than Duren; Duren is not the only center on the team; Stew should start over Duren. (Duren is a fucking horrible dogshit defender, you can't say they should be building the team around defense whilst also saying Duren should start!)

Then we will get torched!! I'm not trying to be negative but, Jaden Ivey has EXTREMELY low basketball I.Q and he's a horrible defender, his defense will never get better...

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 ahh yes the old "21 year olds don't get better" argument He just needs to slow down. His problem is he tries to do too much. I don't think he's as stubborn as someone like Westbrook where he will keep doing it though. Most players grow out of it and eventually learn how to trust their teammates But it is a sink or swim thing. The point is you MAKE him figure it out or he just doesn't play. Nikola Jokic has the highest IQ in the league and he can stay in front of a phone booth. On ball defense is 80% athletic ability, not IQ, and Ivey has that in spades.

@@michaelahurt "On ball defense is 80% athletic ability", not when you are navigating screens and PnR. More like 80% IQ at this level.

@@ZachErickson-0222 Then why isn't Jokic a great on ball defender if it's 80% IQ? Why isn't Curry? Or Brunson? Or Luka? Yes, the _best_ on ball defenders combine elite athletic ability _with_ high IQ and great technique but someone like Kelly Oubre is a better on ball defender than late career Chris Paul because -- and only because -- his athletic tools are so much greater

@@michaelahurt those guys are all much better on ball defenders than Ivey because of their IQ despite their inferior athleticism. I think you just made my point with those examples.

Years away from that, still.

Wiseman was terrible

Holland had a small sample size last year and is over 75% from FT so he has a shot to be a good shooter. Ausar on the other hand worked basketball as his job for 3 years straight and shot 18.6% from 3 and 59.7% from FT. To be that bad when you work 24/7 basketball for 3 years means even Fred Vinson is unlikely to be able to improve that disaster. If they can ever play together it will be because Ron Holland becomes very legit and with never be because Ausar becomes very legit.

Ivey CAN'T play point guard!! You guys just don't understand

​@wrongthinkpodcast2140 yes he can. You don't understand.

@@chetisanhart3457 No, that other guy is right. Ivey can't play point guard.

Not on this team! He has to start, just because Duren is so much worse than him.

@@scottwickett1273 I’d agree he probably should start

Lol. Lmao, even.

That's not happening, and they would go 5-77 if it did.

If he's starting that's a problem. Tim getting 20 minutes is okay but ideally he's a low bench guy

That's not true.

Ivey with the ball more is a disaster!!! When his usage rate wint up, his turnovers wint sky high

@@wrongthinkpodcast2140 Ivey with the ball got better winning percentage than cade with ball and turnover was never as high as Cade

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