This.

i have to give them credit for not editing that part out... lol, it was a clencher moment

I would love to see them drive that dance floor sized scissor lift onto a trailer. Or even which truck could pull or tow it. Lifts are 20 times heavier than they look. I got one stuck in gravel once and needed a WAY bigger crane than I thought to get it out. I was expecting a lull or truck to tow it out, nope, needed the big boy crane on a new HERTZIG construction job.

I’d put some weights on te bucket.

Yup it'll happen learn to go with it

Yes sir broke one before at the beginning of the shift 😂 it was - 5 in mason city Iowa

All the skid steers I drove have plexiglass windshields.

@@dundonrl 3/4" gravel don't care.

@@TOM-yd8ub Neither does a bucket of heavy snow when it rolls down after putting it as high up as you can (knocked the glass out of the door)!

We really should use hybrids. They would definitely help with pollution for short driving stints but you have all the range of a gas vehicle. They are functional now without all the hassle of battery only and plug in only charging. People would accept that better then this current crop of crap of battery only thats a step backward in terms of convenience.

GM had the right idea with the hybrid pickups and SUVs in the mid/late 2000s, just wasn't executed well, but instead the just scrapped it instead of improving on it.

@@jimbob1096 diesel has the least pollution of ppm with the def systems

Facts

Need a pickup bed generator. Solved.

Seems like maybe a miss on their part but I bet the program to turn brake pedal into 7 pin brake output is well established. I would think at some point they could get that tuned for 1 pedal vs brake output. The ECM or some other body controller controls brake output voltage so their is no reason they couldn't figure it out.

Yes, but strong re-Gen deceleration can also trigger the brake lights and the trailer brakes.

No. You dont. During 1 pedal, the brake lights come on when you let up the accelerator. Trailer brakes would work

Sounds like it might be a lawyer telling the software guys "We have to make braking with heavy trailer loads the 100% responsibility of the driver"... just guessing.

I think it's really for brake fade purposes, as people instinctively expect no brake fade from one-pedal, while the trailer's physical brakes are still working and fading

Oh yea!

Agreed! They should do a 60-0 along with the 0-60 to really test the trucks.

The RAM will be better because it is not maxed out. so I don't see how this matters.

@@chrishansel9324 It matters a lot if you are in the vehicle that the truck/trailer runs into because it can't stop because its overloaded. No, the RAM at that trailer weight isn't overloaded, but the F150 is.

@@chrishansel9324 I'm not sure, there's an extra 800 pounds of inertia to contend with.

Funny enough the brakes in that lightning are comparable to the 3/4 and to add to that, the regen also helps with braking so it's ver comparable and the lightning could actually be better.

Need that test from Washington to NYC SAAME TEST 650 MILES A DAY.

Except that the Cummins does just fine in-town too. Why limit yourself to in-town for a higher price?

@@CommonSense823 fuel.

@@jghall00 The long range battery has a minimum buy in of 83k (xlt) . Even if it was free to charge it makes no sense.

@@user-st8ny6pi2d My Expedition was $150 to fill up. Most 3/4 tons are probably paying around the same, if not more. The Lightning is $13 at my current electricity rate. For fleets, maintenance and operations are a huge part of their costs. If the Lightning can get through a day, and charge overnight they're going to save a lot on fuel and there is no maintenance apart from tires. There's a reason it's sold out. People aren't stupid. They know what vehicle they need.

@@jghall00 1. People are stupid. They fall for propaganda all the time. 2. If it can get through a day (questionable) is not something anyone needs to ask when they purchase an ICE truck. 3. Thinking that $13 to recharge is going to remain $13 when the demand goes up is a fool’s hope 4. The reason they are sold out is because Ford can’t produce them. Rare metals that need to be strip mined are already scarce and will only get more so as the government pushes people toward EVs with artificially high fuel prices.

Agreed.

Your Pete empty weighs more than either of their entire rigs lol. The shifting and building boost just slows our big trucks down so much

No, but the Tesla semi might be, if it ever comes out.

@Big Paw Exactly. I can't wait to see battery energy density and charging times improve. When it does, I think that a lot of people will be willing to concede that EVs are the better way forward. The proof is in the pudding in this video. The torque and acceleration is vastly superior, and this is a ½ ton EV compared to a ¾ ton diesel. If we're being honest, the majority of folks are using their vehicles for short commutes (>60 miles)and puttering around town like 80% of the time, so for a lot of people...especially those who don't road trip much, an EV would be perfectly adequate for that general use case if available at the right price.

You can probably fit more people in your Peterbilt, doesn't mean you are taking the family to the zoo in it.

@@madguitarist EVs are a clear choice for one of the vehicles in a two vehicle household. It’s clearly better around town and you use the other vehicle on road trips.

Actually you can, the torque from the diesel when in low gear and low range will be A LOT more than the EV could even dream about!

@@dundonrl If people started comparing wheel torque at a specific vehicle speed, that would absolutely be a fair comparison. But TFL isn't doing that. They are comparing powertrain (the input to the drivetrain) torque ratings. That doesn't work. And yes, as I broke down in a tug-of-war video comment, the RAM has about 7x more peak wheel torque than the Lightning does. Whether or not you could put that much more down to the ground is a separate calculation.

Yep. They jacked up all EVs $7500 the day the government announced that is how much of a rebate the government was giving for buying and EV.

@@LucasLeCompteMusic government subsidies always read like indirect gifts to industry.

I hear that I wanted a Bronco but damn they jacked the price up to we’re it’s not something I’d touch now

The Lighting Pro is 47k or so. Smaller battery but still the best deal for a EV! Well worth it especially for a second vehicle.

@@LucasLeCompteMusic and people wonder why college tuition is so high. Oh yeah that's right, the government again lol. Hurray for socialist policies. This country is done for.

The issue is with range as well. Until they can meet or exceed that 440 miles of range mark (unloaded) they simply aren’t comparable. For the additional cost, they need to be equal to or better than what they “compete” with.

That’s a pretty big hit. The range drop towing 7,500 in a diesel f250 for me is 450 down to 300.

These numbers will only improve. We're here comparing brand new tech with twenty year developed tech in a diesel. Electric is clearly way better.

@@wizofsorts EV have been around for over 100 years. It's not new tech.

@@AkioWasRight not as a mass marketed means of transportation

Thanks for the ❤️ guys

Nope, fleets aren't setup to charge or maintain EVs.

@@dundonrl Yet. They're not set up yet. If someone tells them they can save 70% on fuel, you think they won't install chargers?

Chargers cost money, time cost money, Electric cost money…… most likely won’t be a fleet vehicle….. haven’t read much good on EVs only they are “ saving the earth “ but that is not true.

Just do the math based on your electricity and diesel rates. 11.1 mpg diesel and 1 kwh /mile. If you used a more expensive dc fast charger around here it is $.43 per kwh. Diesel here is ~$5.6 per gallon. So at 100 miles of towing, it would be $50.45 for the diesel and $43 for the electric. So only $7 savings if using DC fast charge. But if I charge at home, the electricity cost for me in western WA would be $9.2 total for a savings of ~$41, which is obviously very significant given this example is talking about only 100 miles.

@@curtisbme If you're going to be towing for business use where TCO is king, you'd almost certainly only consider electric at this point if you work locally and charge at home or the shop yard. Off-peak EV charging for homeowners is listed at $.14 per kWh. Call it $.17 (the peak rate) for the worst-case scenario for a small business, So, $17 vs $50 *before* factoring the extra diesel burned in more-frequent starts and stops in local driving vs. that working in the EV's favor with regen.

They never speak of maintenance either. The electric vehicle essentially needs nothing done to its power train. Keep tires on it and you’re good to go. That’s a big difference as miles add up.

well that depends were you charge the Lightning. If they charged at the ranch at .14 per KW and I think they went 25 miles and at 1 mile per KW that .14 x 25= $3.50. Diesel average in Colorado is $3.90 and they averaged 11 mpg so they used 2.27 gallons. 2.27x $3.90= 8.85

EV's were invented first but when ICE came along they withered away.

@@tonysheerness2427 only because oil was cheap and batteries sucked back then.

@@chrishansel9324 Oil is still cheap, they are playing politics with it.

Cummins and Alison yes, any domestic truck, hell NO! Come on TOYOTA, build us a REAL HD Diesel pickup and quite making excuses and putting out POS v6 turbo hybrid BS! You would EASILY destroy the domestic Diesel market if you tried.

Should have kept tugging till one of them gave out instead of trying not to break them.

@@roddycreswell8613 I imagine the Ford motors would cut back power before the electric motors started smoking and catching fire like power tools.

@@roddycreswell8613 or kept going until one ran out of gas or battery power lol

indeed, 40mpge as it is compared to a diesel

It’s a 10% difference, they could go 8-10 miles more is all.

The Fisker Karma was a gas electric vehicle

A diesel hybrid would be cool to see the range.

@@kc510 the Fisker wasn’t a hybrid it works like a generator running electric motors

You don’t have to fall on one side or another, if I needed to tow distance I’d go diesel or gasoline, if I needed an around town truck I’d go electric.

Been saying this for years but it finally seems like it might happen with the ram EV it supposedly will have a range extender that will function similarly to what trains have... honestly I'd imagine HD trucks will go that way once that kind of setup is more proven

did you watch the same video? they only used 16% to do half the trip in the lightning 32% total. I guess math was not you subject.

@@chrishansel9324 Some people have never thought how they actually use a vehicle vs what they think they would. I tow a pontoon 30 miles 1 way to the lake cabin in the spring and home in the fall, plenty of range. As far as the math goes he could be using NEW math where you don't like the outcome so you ignore facts and insert your own reality.

@@lonsmithwesson1661 If you are only towing 60 miles you should be fine on one charge. Math does not lie EVs are two and a half time more efficent.

It's not impressive at all! The infrastructure SUCKS for EVs, the range SUCKS for EVs and charging time SUCKS for EVs!

Battery technology is the big problem. The trucks are sweet though

I think most people who own front end loaders would have.

Neither will be of any use as no refined fuel, and no electricity generation to recharge with. Solar charging an EV would be possible but will take days.

I find it bemusing how EvGo, Electrify America etc all love to show pictures of nice, pull-through charging stations in their promotional materials, but I have yet to see such a facility actually deployed in the real world!

They are not even competing in the mid-size/small truck space.

He's a comedian 🤣

Well, the Lightning has a GVWR of 8,550 lbs. this makes it a 3/4-ton classification.

@@TFLtruck having a 7 pin connector and a brake controller doesn’t make it “competitive”

@@TFLtruck Very true, the two compete in weight, however Roman was referring to Horsepower and Torque in that quote. P.S. 3/4 ton is a payload classification and has nothing to do with GVWR. The label "Heavy Duty" is given to a truck when it's parts are beefed up for daily heavy hauling. I'm sure Ford would never call the Lightning HD.

they did

Ike Gauntlet videos.

This! Towing our surfboat to Powell is 700 miles one way over the Rockies and through a desert... Can’t do that with an EV. EV trucks have a place but it’s not replacing an HD truck anytime soon

Its a ridiculous comparison. These "influencers" are running out of original ideas.

that is not the point of this series of videos. The point of this videos series is to show that electric trucks, specifically the F150 Lightning, are vary capable.

@@chrishansel9324 Capable as in having to drive at 40mph to have any chance at making it to a charger in optimal conditions?

@@chrishansel9324 I mean its not really showing me its very capable... Its showing me that its good for 80% of normal people who "want" the truck image but should just get an SUV... But this truck is far from capable for people who actually use their trucks for hobbies or work. Its great for what it is, but that doesnt make it capable...

Haters will hate

Oh you’re wrong ! They’d have to charge for 10 hours! Lol 😂

@@wizofsorts physics are physics. They are not up to doing real work. Wow. They towed a ATV and trailer that would have been content behind a 2.3 ranger…. A normal 5000lbs RV would be a perfect test. Not a big ass toy hauler.

I've wondered what a diesel electric medium duty pickup would look like. Such a setup works well with trains. Probably too expensive and bulky though...

@@wizofsorts BEVs have some big shortcomings right now. With the energy storage shortcomings alone, you'll want people hating in electric trucks; ford and other manufacturers need to be pushed to either improve the tech or drop it if it becomes or remains a square peg into a round hole solution. Once Uncle Sam, in its over abundance of stupidity sunsets ICE vehicles, if that does happen, you can bet they'll be de-rating the performance of EVs for energy savings and environmental reasons, look at EV school busses today, they're not 0-60 performance monsters. Yes, they did this for safety and range reasons, but it's a glimpse of what's to come. That'll be a big EV selling point today, gone tomorrow.

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It's probably almost as quick as the Dodge Cummins unloaded.

@@302Mustang13 Still slower. The best 0-60mph unloaded data I could find was from MotorTrend with a 2021 HD shootout they did. Ram ran 0-60mph in 7.6 seconds.

@@killercan10 TFL said they usually get about 9 seconds in the Ram. Keep in mind this is at a mile above sea level and not on a test track that is prepped.

To be fair, the Spark has less than a fifth of the hp and an eighth of the torque.

80 miles towing doesn't even get me to the next city. Its useless.

@@jeffschlagel5632 Andy that is when the truck is new and in the Summer time, wait until the battery ages some and the weather is cold probably 40-50 miles.

@@jeffschlagel5632 still pretty damn impressive for an ELECTRIC truck right?

@@RobertoHernandez-cd9bs no not at all.

Depends on the source.

Less than finding a 300# barrels worth of crude, drilling or fracking for it. Transporting it to a refinery where it uses water cobalt and electricity to turn crude oil into barrels of petroleum products that can be burned in various engines. And then transporting it again before storing it in an underground tank. So you can use even more energy pumping it into your tank to burn it at 15-25% total efficiency. 👍🏻

Actually, most electrify comes from fossil fuels, which are used to power turbines. These turbines have a system efficiency of around 40%, which is more efficient than most non-hybrid autocycle car engines. That said, there's also efficiency loses by sending the power through transmissions lines and transformers. There's also an efficiency loss when charging and discharging. By the time your electricity reaches your wheels, your total thermal efficiency is probably +/- 10%, which is just on par with most ICE cars, maybe even worse than most ICE cars. People also claim other sources are cleaner, but none of them are as reliable. To run a wind or solar farm, you have to have traditional sources, mainly fossil fuel generation, to run standby, which defeats the purpose of these farms. Basically, for amount of power from a "green", you need the same amount on standby from a more stable source. Also, there's a relationship between ecology and economy. Here in California, we claim to be "green", because we produce a lot of power from wind and solar, but we don't like to talk about is just how much energy we must import due the instability of our power grid. Much of this imported power is from coal and gas generation, and to send this energy to our state is very inefficient and extremely expensive. At peak hours during the summer months, we pay $0.65/kWh, by far the most expensive power in the nation. And really, probably the most broken and inefficient power in the nation.

Double the weight, double the time.

True. A boat tow and launch with the AWD is perfect for the Lightning.

It is the solution that would work in 99% of the situations that my neighbors and I have needed our trucks for in past 20 years. Towing around our properties, to and from hardware and tool rentals, and towing boats to the lake. Especially as very little of that is at freeway speed so the range isn't reduced as much. Most of the contractors I've worked with that have trucks would rarely have a work day that charging (or towing) would be an issue (assuming they are able to charge at home every night).

@@curtisbme I would say you and your neighbors are in the minority for typical truck users, especially contractors using them for work. I helped some family with a pressure washing business for a few years and I towed at a minimum 50 miles a night, and in most instances it would be 100 or more miles a night. That wouldn’t work with an electric truck. I would say outside of strictly city usage most contractors that tow would tow more than 100 miles a day.

@@matthewanderson9912 Certainly possible but I'd put money on the majority of truck owners never towing anything let alone someone regularly. Can't find statistics but a good chuck of suburban owners have never even gotten the bed dirty, especially those that jack it up and do aesthetic mods.

@@curtisbme you’re probably partly correct with city and suburban owners. But most everyone in the rest of the country use them atleast some of the time. I tow an enclosed car trailer with mine. Typically it’s a 250ish mile round trip for me. Not possible with an EV. I have friends at work that both tow campers. About the same distances. Anyways I like the idea of the performance of an EV with their instant torque. But until the technology allows for them to be driven like a typical gas or diesel truck (400 miles, refuel in a matter of a few minutes and go 400 more) I’m not interested. The whole political side of it is for another discussion too but no matter which side you’re own EVs are most certainly not zero emission vehicles.

The Ram carries 1267kWh of thermal energy in its fuel tank.