Play Enlisted today using my link for a free bonus pack with soldiers, weapons, and more: playen.link/darkspace Insomniac's Spider-Man Series is a series that I love so much that I want it to be the best it can be. Unfortunately, I don't think these Physics are the best they can be. (They're perfect for arcade swinging.) But they didn't really change anything from last time- except for adding an optional slider that essentially just decreases the strengths of various aspects of their (already bad) swinging system. I'm not claiming to be absolutely right, but my opinion is that they should aim more toward physics simulation, like Spider-Man 2 (2004).

All the gameplay shown still has Swing Assist on

Bro played on max swing assist and wondered why the swinging was playing itself and had less detailed physics 😭😭😭

You can find unused sliding mechanics in the game files for the first game. I was hoping to see those return in the second one.

Technically, a loop in a faithfully recreated physics system would still require a dive or at least a fall from an adequate height for it to work. In fact the only reason it could ever work the way it did without that prerequisite in Spider-Man 2 2004 in its otherwise realistic engine was because of the boost mechanic that let us delete real-world conservation of energy laws.

The thing is insomniacs spider man games aren’t trying to be overly punishing, they push the player through positive reinforcement. And this game gives you multiple options your supposed to use in succession of each other, not individually. It’s like using one of Dante’s moves in devil may cry to combo and complaining the combat is shallow, your not playing as intended.

This "essay" reminds me of the ign reviewers who sucked ass at DMC and docked points for the bad music without realizing the music only picks up when you're doing good. I guess rent was due cause why else would you just lie for 21 minutes

Dont let bro cook anymore pls💀

You know realisticly, if you would swing from a web you also wouldn't be able to decide which direction you would go in exactly

*These aren't timestamps. They're a part of a later section of my comment (also read the conclusion if you want a tldr) Swing (no assist): ~2:27 Wing (no assist): ~2:27 Wing (default): ~2:21 Swing (default): ~2:15 This video is a real mixed bag. There are some points I agree with (the webs ineracting with the world, parkour, wall running/crawling, etc.), but others are so off that Im just convinced you dont know what you're talking about. So I'll try and point out specific points I disagree with in a numbered list. 1. Game Dev is hard. You don't know anything about game development. Point blank, your suggestions for fixing these issues (most of which you're intentionally causing) are so laughably nonsensical, it's apparent that you don't understand the trial and error of making a game. Game engines and physics systems are limited. Sometimes work arounds are necessary, especially when making a game this big on a deadline like this. Insomniac has an extensive history with crunch culture, and every decision they make is to actively combat crunch in their development cycles. So no, they're they're not going to completely change the swinging in a direct sequel when the swinging already worked more than well enough. Also, they don't have as much "status" or "power" as you like to imply. I'm not sure where you got that idea from. 2. The swinging isn't obsolete. You're just bad. While, yes, it is possible to only use the web wings or to hold R2 the whole time, you ignored the biggest factor of this conversation: neither of these options are what anyone would call fun. Seriously, you completely neglect the fact that no one in their right mind would play the game like this. Instead of using the tools the game gives you, like spider dash/jump, doing tricks, or point launching, that actively make the game more challenging and engaging (which is exactly what you claim you wanted), you decided to play like a 5 year old that can't read the tutorial. This is most apparent when you compared the webwings to swinging, so I did a little experiment. I went from the northern most point on the map, the roof of the church in the Harlem cemetery, to the southern most point, a flagpole just off the shore of the financial district (it's in direct view of Lady Liberty, can't miss it). I did two runs only swinging (I included zips, tricks, point launches, and dashes/jumps) and two runs with only web wings (I was only able to use one dash and one jump), one run each with swing assist settings turned all the way down and one with them on the default. the times for each run are at the top of this comment for simplicity sake. As you can clearly see, my times for swinging were equal to or faster than using only the web wings. Not only that, using the tools given to me by the game (zips, tricks, point launches, and dashes/jumps) made the swinging so much more fun. I'm really not sure why you chose to swing with little to no input on your part. It's clear that you either intentionally made the swinging look bad to deceive your audience, or you're just bad at the game. I'm inclined to believe the latter. Obviously this isn't the most scientific, or even accurate, experiment, but I just wanted to make a point that the web wings don't make the swinging obsolete. The swinging is just as viable and just as fast if you're good at it. You're just not. 3. Speaking of swing assist... You'll notice that both my times were slower when I had the assist settings turned down. The reason for this being that you're really underselling the difference between having them turned up or down. While yes, turning the assist to 0 does remove the barrier above the ground when you swing, that's not the only thing it does. In short turning the setting down makes the physics affect you more realistically. So things like air resistance and the length of your web can slow you down. Objects like trees, lamps, and cars actually get in your way. When the setting is turned up, it flubs the numbers so you stay more centered as you swing, whereas when it's off, you'll swing closer to the building you're attached to. All this to say: turning off the assist settings makes it more challenging to maintain your flow, which is the whole basis of this swinging system. The fact that you just brush this off as a slight change leads me to believe you didn't even play the game with these settings off. If you had, you would've definitely noticed the way it affects your gameplay. 4. Web of Shadows who? This is just personal bias, but I'm so sick of people claiming that Spider-Man 2 (PS2) had the best swinging ever. It didn't. Case in point, Ultimate Spider-Man released literally a year later, and was already a more refined swinging system than 2. But I'm not here to talk about that game. I want to talk about what I think to be the best swinging system (until SM 2018), Web of Shadows. This game goes hard. If you haven't played it, you should. The swinging is just as physics based as the '04 game, but it's visceral and acrobatic. In short, it's fun and not enough people bring it up. 5. Conclusion. I don't want to be an ass, but its clear that you misrepresent (or don't understand) the game's swinging system and it feels like you're just trying to rag on the hot new thing right now because you can. There's more I could mention, but this comment is already way too long and too negative. I will say, the editing and presentation of this video are absolutely fire. No hate from me, I just disagree with your points. I'm more than willing to have a genuine conversation on this topic.

You've talked about Euphoria Physics as a possible improvement. I have an issue with that: it makes different games look the same. It's very good looking, but also easily recognizable, while hand made / motion captured animations are different in every game

Euphoria and NaturalMotion are owned by Take Two, and it's no longer available for licensing. So, in effect, only Rockstar can use it.

The fact he even lies about first game to prove his argument is truly amazing.

Bro has a dark space in his brain.

3 things 1.Turn off swing assist 2. Actually get good at the game 3. Stop glizzy gargling Spiderman 2 PS2

You always talk about great swinging mechanics in older spidey games but i am just wondering on why you actively avoid Web of Shadows in this topic. Because it in my opinion has the most freedom in its web-slinging system, from the various moves it provides, to the absolute bonker speeds it allows you to reach to without any cap if you really get good in it.

A reminder that insomniac made sunset overdrive a game where its movement mechanics encouraged the player to get better and build a combo meter like a tony hawk game

Complains how the game holds your hand while swinging, all while showing atrocious gameplay with swing assist 💀💀

You see I understand your view and the points you make but my only issue is, Insomniac Games *never* promised physics based realistic swinging therefor I cannot be upset at the arcade style mechanics. If they had promised realistic swinging and then didn't deliver, then yeah sure I'd be upset. But for what its worth, I think Insomniacs swinging mechanics are some of the best ever made in ANY traversal game. Another thing I wanna mention is Insomniac when presenting their first Spider-Man game back in 2017 did in fact say that they wanted their web-swinging to feel nonstop. As in nothing will stop your momentum. That's why there is seamless swinging to wallrun transitions and also why the game will help correct a mistake like if you were to hit a wall near the top, it would automatically adjust for you with an preset animation. Its to make you feel unstoppable while swinging and personally, I don't see anything wrong with that.

“That game had ACTUAL physics” *shows clip of the most laughably busted PS2 physics possible lol. You’re not thinking about any of this practically. They have to allow the player to move through a MASSIVE map constantly rendering, so the less obstacles, the better. Also, while it may be fun to fuck around and break a physics system, from a quality, gameplay and artistic perspective, having the superhero move and act like a superhero instead of constantly fucking up slamming into walls is the better way to go. Sure they could have a “wall slamming active mode,” but as a default, this makes much more sense. Edit: It would be good for them to make it so, instead of clipping through the buildings, the web bent along side them, either bringing him into a wall run, or spinning him into a following web shot for a slight speed boost upon release though. 🤷‍♂️ 🕸

The web passing through buildings legitimately pissed me off. I was trying to swing my way up around a building and wondering why I wasn't gaining any speed around corners and looked up to see my web just going through the building... I was like, oh come on!

I don't like how you're not allowed to hold your web, but I can't agree with the "It doesn't make me feel like Spider-Man." User input is important. You don't swing without touching R2 and you don't jump out of your swing *effectively* if you don't time X at the appropriate time. Sure, you can just hold forward and R2 the entire time, but that is not the intended method you're supposed to do, and you're certainly not gonna be moving pretty fast if you continue to do that. That's where skill gap comes in. They gotta make the game playable for those who like Spider-Man but aren't exactly gamers. As for the swinging forcing you to go in a certain direction, that is physics-based and realistic. It's even more prominent with Swing Assistance lowered because when you swing from something, you are not supposed to be able to go all the way to the left when you've shot a web to a building on your right. The wall-running is absolutely shit tho.

This is the craziest, disingenuous, and/or misunderstood take I’ve heard about Insomniac’s Spider-Man 2. Spider-Man’s 2 swinging combined with the wing suit is the most advanced video game technology we’ve ever had! And it’s pretty incredible! If Spider-Man 2 didn’t do it for you I would highly suggest you stick with the OG Spider-Man 2. While I understand your gameplay desire of it all being 100% physics based this would never work in actual gameplay practicality when you are going at such high speeds with so many obstacles in the way. A game has to use game rules. And I think Insomniac’s traversal in Spider-Man 2 has done an incredible job at giving you control and not let you see too much those game rules. But if you look for them they will be there! I you can say that about any game.

It’s always people that are ass at the game making reviews

So I'm gonna start by pointing out the few things in this video I agree with, just to start on a positive note: I agree that the wallcrawling is very flawed, it doesnt work that well outside of the main story, its very buggy and definitely needs a lot more attention. I also agree that the webs themselves clipping through buildings does look odd, trying to stay in place while on a web is also disappointingly buggy. Now for why I don't like this video: Most of your criticisms in this video are focused on web swinging with swing assist on, which I would understand if this were spiderman 1, but now that swing assist is a toggleable option, everything you said against the web assisted swinging is irrelevant, because the game lets you CHOOSE whether or not to use those mechanics, so the people that enjoy the easy web swinging can use it, if you don't like the swing assist then dont use it. This also invalidates your argument about just being able to hold r2 and go through the whole map, because turning off swing assist essentially makes that impossible, since you actually have to steer where you're swinging. Now, about the wingsuit, you talk a lot about how it "makes swinging completely irrelevant", which even though the wind tunnels do make the wingsuit faster than swinging, is completely untrue. Sure, the wingsuit will be faster than swinging in certain conditions, but this observation is completely ignoring the fact that using swinging AND webwings in tandem is significantly faster than using only one of the two, the webwings aren't just an alternate mode of transportation, its a tool to unlock speeds you wouldnt get overwise, which is exactly how they should be implemented. Also, in your speed comparison showing web swinging and webwings side by side, you clearly are using miles's venom abilities, which kinda ruins your point about webwings being too OP if you cant even fly with them without using other mechanics, which OH MAN, WHAT A SHOCKER!! Its exactly what the game wants you to do! It doesnt want you to just choose one and run with it, it WANTS you to use everything you have together, thats what makes insomniacs web swinging challenging, its not about fighting physics to keep yourself moving forward, its about using everything you have to not only maximize your speed, but to look sick as hell while doing it. The game uses animations in its webswinging to make each movement look smooth, and flow nicely into the next, so that swinging feels AND looks cool, so yeah, the game DOES want you to look like spiderman more than it wants you to FEEL like spiderman, but even then, it still does a great job at making you feel like spiderman, just tweaked a bit to make people like you who swing like an NPC not suck too bad! Though, if you REALLY want that insane physics nonsense you endlessly hunt for, then play 2004 spiderman. Also, I want to mention that the physics engine you mentioned, euphoria, cannot be used by insomniac for legal reasons, though I may be wrong about this. Edit: I dunno why I went off so hard on this, it really isn't that serious 💀

Treyarch really knew how to make us really *feel* like Spider-Man

Come on man, you can not tell me there is no challenge or "figuring out where to swing" when turning off the swing assist, if you swing at the wrong building in the wrong height with the wrong amount of speed you will literally lose all momentum. While playing with swing assist off, I had to always look at where and when I would want to push the R2 button in order to maintain speed and gather more momentum, so you just can’t say that there is no challenge when it comes to swinging without the assist 🤦🏽

Quick question ever heard of not playing like SHIT

Have you tried turning the web swinging assist off, its like someone complaining about a game being to easy while playing on the easiest difficulty. (The web swinging from spiderman 3 was the worst)

13:49 literally cutting away from the clip where you would have hit a wall and your point would have been disproven, what a clown.

Every clip you played when swinging was you hitting something and loses momentum clearly not a review 🙄

Just the 2 cents of an engineer with a degree in physics. Nobody would want a 100% or even 50% physics base swing system. That really would kill the fantasy of playing as Spider-Man.

I agree with the parts of letting the player have more control over the web swinging and not doing everything for you, but I personally like this arcade style. At the same time, I don't want it to be so realistic to the point that is trying to implement it as a reality. Spider-Man games are supposed to be fictional, not web swinging similators.

He doesn't even know how to web swing and plays using max swing assist

Turn swing assist OFF

They literally did not copy-paste. Play the game with 0 swing assist and say it again. Also, loop de loops, swinging around corners quick, web wings, better air tricks for peter, the ability to jump and dash in the air (yes, this was in Miles Morales as well, but it does it better here since you don't lose speed from jumping and you can't just spam it)

Bruh at 11:42 you are CLEARLY holding R2 and running up the wall stop complaining blud😐

you seem a bit misinformed on some matters in play here...

I HAVE BEEN SAYING THIS SINCE THE FIRST GAME! I'm an animator and we had to SO MANY physics assignments with pendulum physics and it DROVE ME NUTS to see the mistakes in this game especially when playing it.

This is what I like about Dark Space. He not a "hater" he's not a toxic arsehole, he's not a guy who complains for the sake of it and he's not someone who says everything is perfect and theres no need for change. He’s a guy who finds real flaws in things and gives constructive criticism through well narrated, well edited videos like these. I don’t agree with him on everything but that doesn't matter. + I like that he's branched out.

this video is just misinformation and misleading. theres a swing assist option if you want harder swinging, in most of these clips your making the game look worse on purpose. like in the wind tunnel complaint you said you can’t leave them and it fights you but if you play the game normally yk thats not true😭, also when you run into something you still lose momentum. you talk about how the movie tie in game is the gold standard but pretty much every feature you mention is the same if not improved on. like i said earlier when you run into something you play and animation of you going over it but you still lose most your speed. the movie tie in game did the same thing but instead you just float up and the whole wingsuit section looks and sounds like a skill issue and nobody makes you use the wings. theres tons of other mis information in this video but thats the most obvious, don’t listen to this dude if your thinking about purchasing

I agree with you but the wing suit argument i found kind of dumb. If you don't like the wind tunnels just don't use them thats what I do, I only use the updrafts. This game is a superhero power fantasy while I agree with you that I want to see more difficult traversal I doubt that's what the majority of players want and that's pretty important to consider. If it is the case the majority of players don't want more difficult web swinging insomniac making it harder despite what the majority wants it would be relatively idiotic

You know, maybe you could actually prove your point if you didn't have swing assist on. (Also doesn't help that your swinging is terrible even though you said that it "does the swinging for you")

Bro this man just said that swing assist off doesn’t make swinging harder and then showed clips of him swinging in swing assist 10 and still going slow af This guy says that he wants a challenge and Mf cant even swing fast even while swing assist is turned on And then proceeds to say that u can legit go through the entire map while just holding forward and does it while swing assist is on like wtf He did make some good points but most of the video was just complete nonsense

Some of the complains you made wouldn't occur if you turned off the swing assist though? I understand the intention of this video but some complaints felt like unnecessary nitpicking. Also, catering towards casual fans makes sense since, you know, it's a Spider-Man game.

Bro, the first game was definitely true but for Spider-Man 2 everyone has agreed this is the new benchmark for the best spider man swinging. This time u are straight yapping and ur opinion is not valid at all

Damn it, it's not fair, i wanted to just strongly disagree and stop watching halfway through but dude just makes good points

They should motion sickness and Peter puking after every swing in the next game to truly make you “feel like spiderman”

This guy has skill issue😫

You would think for a developer that made a game like Sunset Overdrive they would take more risks with their traversal mechanics

Some other features I’d love to see with traversal: - When doing chase sequences, I wish you would have to utilize specific air tricks as dodges from bullets or attacks. Almost similar to the Martin Li subway station fight in the first game where you had to either jump to the side or ceiling to properly dodge. Tricks being used for practical reasons as well would be awesome to see. - We should be able to choose how much web we are letting out on the downswing. I want to be able to jump/swing from skyscrapers and keep reeling out web to get a massive downswing. I’m sure there’d need to be a limit to how much can be reeled out because in canon Spidey doesn’t have unlimited web fluid. The hope for this goes hand in hand with being able to climb back up on webs while swinging. It’d make swinging close to the ground more challenging if you didn’t want to hit the street you’d have to start climbing back up an appropriate amount of time before. - Id love to be able to choose which hand we shoot a web from while swinging. It’d give more control over which direction Spidey leans towards and would make tapering your way to your selected destination a lot prettier. - We should be able to shoot a web from a standing position without needing to jump first. He does it in plenty of cinematics and almost every single Spider-Man media. The huge leaps are fun but I don’t like starting swings off like that every single time.

I don't think you guys get what Insomniac is going for. They playtest their games, a lot. They see that players don't want a complex and hard to master mechanic for the most part. People like us, who enjoy complex traversal are a minority, so they add fun stuff like loop de loops, swinging around corners or the no assist mode to keep us engaged, but they won't spend time and resources on a mechanic that most people won't enjoy. What they will spend resources on are cutscenes and epic moments, because that's what most people love about super heroes.

How the hell would you play a game with harder swinging??? You cant even turn off web assistance or get good clips of you playing with or without assistance ☠️

Should have mention the "Prototype" wall running physics. Alex actually had inertia and could slide up and down on the walls.

HELL NO, I don't want web shooter catridges.

you describe it as a more arcade game then cry when it's not pushing full realism

I feel like this a double edged thought. On one hand, yeah the swinging mechanics could be Miles better that what we have, with having more expression on the swinging and making it more satisfactory(and with Euphoria the animations might be better, but in its entirety). On the other hand, it would or could become insanely annoying and with way less style and less eye-catching substance(imagine swinging and then a random pole or small branch made you lose all that momentum out of nowhere). I personally think that some changes must be made, but it shouldn't be swinging in the SP2(Activision) way (at least not in its entirety)

swing assistance should be an entire section in the settings menu. Even though the protective barrier is the only thing adjustable, these options should also be adjustable: -impact into instant wallrunning -floatiness to avoid obstacles -wingsuit feeling automatic -auto parkour

You know what is also so ironic. Majority of people that make all these complaints do not have the skill/ability to create a better game. ANYONE can provide feedback/complaints...............you want a better game? Then MAKE A BETTER GAME; so we can complain about how your game falls short in different aspects.

0 swing assist does more than make you able to hit the ground, the physics are much different. If you web a building far to the side, 0 will harshly pull you toward it where 10 will let you go forward still and do whatever you want. You might say that the game is "making you go where it wants you to" but thats how physics work. Later edit: Being able to release L3 and ride the wind tunnels only realy works because most dont have sharp turns. The ones next to EMF and Madison Square Garden will 100% shoot you out the sides if you dont actively steer with them.

This video actively made me loose braincells

Man said realistic and webswinging in the same sentence 🤦🏾‍♂️

Basically, you want a "hardcore and realistic, just for real fans" game instead of a... superhero game.

Some people are just miserable

Nitpicking at its best lol

I happy yall aint the devs because some of these ideas are horrendous

21:00 Insomniac be like "tHe WeBs AtTaCh tO tHe BuiLdiNgS"

you showed off absolutely brain dead gameplay of you swinging through the city and said the game does not have an advance swinging system

im sorry man but i played the og spiderman 2 on the gamecube at age 6 and not a damn thought was between my eyes, and i was still decent at swinging.

The more mainstream games become the more fear devs have of letting the player fail. But failure and overcoming it is one of the things that games can do other entertainment media can't. I do think though some of these issues has to do with the graphical fidelity, like trying to make a more open ended swinging while also maintaining a level of polish is a tough, maybe impossible task. And I get why Insomniac chose what they did. But I think if that was a setting or even unlockable feature it could be a good middle ground. Let the people who want it find it and they'll acceot things looking worse for more depth. Though the wing suit I think is poor, it really became my main mode of transportation bc the map is unnecessarily big and it was often the objectively faster mechanic.

Play Web of Shadows, like now. Its like a mix of Spider-Man 2 (2004) and Ultimate Spider-Man traversal. Very fast swinging, actual swinging physics, web climbing, web holding, web jumping, low swings/ground contact don't force you out of a web hold, 360 wall running, wall sliding, wall launching, wall cornering, great wall crawling, pole/beam swinging, summersault chaining, parkour animations, actual useful web zipping, jump charging and best of all no "safety zones" or forced animations. Everything you mentioned in this vid is practically in Web of shadows. Its not as complex as 2004 SM2 or as flashy as insomniac, but its got the tool sets for really fantastic web swinging.

It’s not even that serious

Will insomniac listen to this video? probably not, since the core of the game isn’t based of a web swinging simulation

the biggest thing I got from this video is WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT MATTER?

Ain’t no way Blud was yapping for 21 minutes and 57 second.

Bros bad at the game and blames the devs. Lmao.

im confused, you said they should add slingshot and corner tether but they did and you even showed the clips??

This is just wrong... Everything you said about it not having real physics was right, but it does not do most of the work for you, unless you only hold down R2. But here's the thing, no one who's actually familiar with the system and has fun with it will ever just hold the trigger. If you're a casual player who's only here for the story, the game will do most of the work, but if you want something more, you absolutely get it. It's a safety net for sure, but it doesn't remove your freedom, expression or movement, and it does allow you to fail.

The only things I agree with this video is not being able to do flips with the wingsuit, and some small stuff being automated overall, the dodge button and tether swing kinda saves this game's traversal system on top of new tricks, slingshot, loop de loop (No, you don't HAVE to dive to do loops, just be faster), that one glitch where you can fly across the map (with no loading screens),no invisible walls in the map

After viewing this video, I found it ironic that Peter lectures Miles on physics based swinging, but doesn't do it themselves in the game.

You have swing assist on and you're still having skill issue a couldn't be me.

the amojunt of people who havent played the game and is just taking this shottily made video as their truth is crazy. this game's swinging is 100x more intricate and not to mention FUN! you dont lose creative control by a web you cant see unless you actively search for it going into a wall, and the game clearly does not play itself, evidenced by your OWN gameplay!

Turn swing assist of zero for a challenge

Tbh I don’t agree with most of it, I’m pretty happy with the current state of the swinging cause is not just only about swinging, it’s about keeping that momentum you get from the leaps, web zipping, wall running, power dashes, tricks, web wings, and of course, the swinging, still, I’d like it if they added a new completely different and realistic swinging mechanic, it’d be fun to learn it and try to perfect it like a souls game or doom eternal

My guy you do realise that the original Spiderman 2 could get away with a lot of things due to how rudimentary the graphics and animations were, right? Making a fully physics based swinging system with this kind of graphical fidelity and detailed animation is an almost impossible task. The amount of animation variance and blending it would require is almost incomprehensible. And no, Euphoria alone can not handle or fix this. In fact, it would probably just make everything feel slow and sluggish like GTA 4 or RDR2 which is fitting for those games but not at all fitting for a Spiderman game. I agree that the swinging could still be better but saying it is the same or worse as Spiderman 2018 is simply not true. 0 swing assistance absolutely makes a difference and you can absolutely not swing across the map just holding R2 with it turned off. Realism for the sake of realism is not always good especially when you are playing a superhero game.

Bro the old games let us go to the Statue of Liberty and insomniac won’t let us go to it as it’s not a part of the playable area like bro the island is smaller than Astoria for example

Y’all jus find anything to complain about make a game with realistic swinging

This video is wrong. Turn off swing assist

50% of this video is just skill issue The other 50% is just disingenuous and dumb

I had zero issue getting out of wind tunnels but I did notice even on zero assist settings I noticed the game helping me and not letting me hit things I should have. What you said about the game forcing you to let go of the web was my biggest gripe with the physics .

Bro dont say the swinging is easy when your playing with swing assist on Simple if you want to think while swinging turn swing assist off

Bro, just turn off assisted swinging.

I’m satisfied with the swinging, would be dope if it was like the OG SM2 too tho, like a mix minus the assistance, get the best of both worlds that are realistic to achieve. The webwings are cool and yeah you can heavily depend on them but you don’t have to, it’s up to you how to use it, I use it to reach a building to swing from that’s just a bit too far and also to gain speed to resume swinging fast. They for sure got to add wall combat in the next game, I think that’d be dope and is very possible, like press X and SQUARE together near a wall and while you’re on it to enter wall combat and press it again anytime to exit wall combat or web strike a grounded or in flight enemy to exit, but of course we’d have to have certain enemies that are able to stick and fight on walls too for a good reason and they’d have to be more resistant to being pulled off the wall and being webbed to it, and they’d have to have an attack from the wall hitting you while you’re grounded. The enemies should be split, types that are always on the ground and types that can do both ground and wall combat, just so that they aren’t always retreating to the wall and forcing you to always fight on the wall with them after you knocked them off in wall combat or gadget hit. Idk, a group of smarter people that make games can figure it out better.

Complaining about the wingsuit is the most moronic bullshot ever. YOU are the player. If YOU choose not to fly through the entire map, then thays YOUR decision. It does not force you to use it. It adds so many cool possibilities when navigating the map.

If you want full control then TURN OFF SWING ASSIST oh you can't cause you SUCK at this game

Video games are supposed to be fun. Glad the swinging is how it is I’m not trying to sweat every swing LOL

How can you say the original spider-man 2 has better physics when it let's you do 100 loops??

Gen z complains about everything lol

Those wind tunnel rings bring back flashbacks from a certain game

The fact that the previous Spider-Man Games got the wall crawlling right