All their drum machines lack arp features sadly, I’d love to get this feature on Syntakt at least

I'd take the same exact OT but with updated sound engine and FX and a few more modern sampler additions.

@@xjtreex I guess that would be OT mkIII

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Your word is bond! Totally agree

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Can't you afford the D2 or are you happy with the older technology?

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I will be coming back to this comment in 2034 and it'll still be true :p

it's a shoot-out between that and half life 3

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While everybody else has been making music for like 10 years 😂

And used 1/4 of your tracks

@@reecedeyoung6595 You can do a lot with just one track. Drummers have a style called linear drumming, it's been an inspiration to me in getting more out of gear.

@@Andronicus2007 I'd rather have more tracks. Then I can mute and mix them separately. Sometimes a limitation is just a limitation.

it does, it was one of the new additions.

I'm down with all of this for sure but most of all the new midi facilities, including the midi learn. I've got a bunch of little synths and drum modules but found the cc setup a little clunky so didnt get around to doing more than just note / velocity. with this, I'd definitely go nuts with plocking them. Micromonsta2, Nord Drum 2 ... oof. I didnt sell my DT before the launch of 2 but I only paid 600 for it. Might keep it and have both ... What's an average price for a near-new condition DT at the moment?

Sounds like the destiny of the firmware, we hope

And polyphony. At least 3 voices. Then it’s literally a perfect machine. Elektron isn’t interested in making perfect machines, they are interested in crippling devices in favor of a tiered system in their lineup.

@@ryanhursh6322 they dont offer a polyphonic sampler at all though, do they? so what are they crippling DT in favour of, in your estimation?

£500 for one fader, sensible

What does the fader do?

@@teamcoalhapcharcoal have you tried it?

@@neonpop80 its like a dj fader, but for any number of parameters you want, simultaneously. You "fade" between two presets of values you assigned for the parameters. Think filter cutoff, delay mix, reverb decay, volume, sample select, etc... There's 16 of those presets, per bank, to be assigned for each "side" of the fader. look it up, its harder to explain than it is to show it :)

@@Spacial_ I want to play with that Octa slider so bad but only have a DT! is there a way to approximate a simpler version of it with DT2 and a midi controller, does anyone think?

In my experience I immediately perceived the sound quality of DT1 and DT2 as an improvement over the OT. Turning of timestretch on the OT helps a lot but still it sounds less dynamic and flat in a way. Regarding gainstaging I‘m not sure what I should have messed up in order to cause this. Anyways, in 20 years people will probably say: „The OT hat such an iconic, soft sound“ and try to replicate it with plug-ins :D

Octatrack might be on par with flat sample replay. But the joy of the machine comes with using the fx slots. And in this regard (especially filter and reverb) the infirmity of software power from a device from 2011 shows in comparison to a 2024 device.

Waiting for Octatrack 3 is like waiting for Jesus to reincarnate - enjoy live now, experience heaven later

@@el_dani yes, I know. I play my DT2 and OT2, and I‘m fine. …but a OT3 will be nice, or not?

@@el_dani I will play OT3 in the afterlife. Hendrix will love it.

If you want get into a game of features one has the other doesn't the KO2 isn't going to come off well.

What could one even use 48 independent midi tracks for?

@@DKH712 symphonic club music

@@user82938 lol

48 tracks to control Ableton Live or what?

You really can. What does the OT have that the DT2 does not? A crossfader? I wasn't initially impressed with the upgrade but after looking into it there is sooooo much more under the hood. Compared to the OT You don't need disk streaming because the ram is so big. The DT2 fx are better, it has 8 more channels, same amount of LFOs, crazy triggering options and more. Literally all there is that isn't better or the same is the OT has the crossfader.

It‘s inflation, nobody expect Behringer does lowball prices. Elektron never was cheap, always premium (I remember strongly back in the days researching the Machinedrum and stumbling over the four figure price). And count in the longevity of their products (firmware support), good build quality and high resale prices.

@@el_dani Corrected for inflation, DT release price would be about 630 euros. DT2 is about +50% more expensive. Of course, there are more factors that could contribute like chip prices, economic situations in Sweden, the wars going on etc. Many companies are still trying to make up losses after the pandemic too. They probably are taking more profit now but the original was a launch device that needed to be established. Companies can even sell launch devices at a loss - Microsoft operated Xbox as a loss-making venture for a whole generation to achieve market positioning then dominated the next generation with Xbox 360 and went on from there. The new DT2 is highly sought after. Basic supply and demand stuff. I won't resent the price when I upgrade, it's how the world works.

That would be lovely 🥹

Decaéxitrack

Hexadecatrack, based on what they did with DT2.

This might be true since Ess and Cenk left, but not before: since the Octatrack they released quite some impactful machines: Rytm, Analog 4 (does somebody else on the market released any analog synth with patch-changing per step?), Digitakt, Digitone. (Cycles, Samples and Syntakt you could rank as recycling). I think Digitakt 2 is a musical interesting device and as Elektron proved in the past (in distinction to others on the market) that they are willing to expand with firmware development.

It would also be nice if they would make a usb breakout box for people who might want to split their channels in the physical domain. They could call it Underbridge.

It's often the case that companies are more innovative and experimental earlier on before they get more established. Canon have come under endless fire over the years for being less exciting than smaller companies, and iterating on popular formats. But it's not the case that they didn't innovate, just that over time it becomes clear which innovations work for people and what sells the best. At that point, it becomes bad business to change the paradigm : little to gain and much to lose. Why dont Apple make a round Iphone? With respect to MD and MM - they provide Elektron with massive brand equity. If they re-released them, the reality would be a niche market that the sales likely wouldn't justify, crashing the value of the OG boxes which would really fuck off some of their most hardcore fans ... people would complain the interface was clunky compared to the more modern boxes ... they would seem flawed rather than classic. They are iconic and inaccessible to most; scarcity is a commodity. They are not unlike loss-leaders, similar to the dresses that fashion brands give away to celebrities for the red carpet. the money is in the broader market - MM and MD are complex devices with enormous depth. People are still finding new ways to use them after decades ... most of their market probably just want to enjoy themselves making a bit of some well-established genre, make a few clips for their social media. I doubt they'd even get as far as copying some Sophie track or other, based on the MM videos on here. Plus you contradict yourself. You complain they don't do anything new but then you want them to literally re-release old instruments. Which is it? What innovative devices would people like to see them release?

Compared to the price of a dt1 a few months ago, it surely does justify it

That's why i sold my Dt1 and bought used Octatrack MK2. IMO still Octatrack is more powerful box than DT2

​@@cooksoni.asure I would 100% pay 150-250€ more for the new features, they seem very decent. but now it's another story...

@Valldo47 ​yeah thinking of doing the same. but now the prices for a used dt1 are just very low so i think I'll keep it 😅

There is a reason that used Digitakt 1 are so low: offer and demand - shortly I was allured by a 350 price for an mk1 but with research I‘m saving (or selling gear) for a Digitakt 2 now. Nobody forces people to buy Elektron products, you can always buy Roland (and get lost in their menus) 😂

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Sound quality much better on DTmkII

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@@Kaje05 have you played with the DT2 ?

Quick and once in a lifetime to learn workflow. Leave Octatrack alone for 2 weeks and you start again on field 0.

and Overbridge

must have been my inner Werner Herzog coming through again

Working for low wages is stupid.

​@@el_daniWhat colour is your Bugatti?

@@teamcoalhapcharcoal no need for car when electronic music can take you anywhere..