very much so

BillyBobBoobHead many if not most republicans don't agree with Thomas Sowell either. You be surprised how people on both sides don't know much of economics

The evidence for affirmative action working is White people's success. youtube.[com]/watch?v=6uH0vpGZJCo

Nelson Smith I agree!

Sowell was way ahead of us in so many of his ideas

+vertigo0331 Don't like some of the editting of the video. I would have liked to hear more of the responses from Dr Slow Mo.

+vertigo0331 Mr slow mo lol +1

+vertigo0331 It's been OVER 25 years. The experiment is a failure in real-time and real practice. But liberals/commies/socialists/progressives/whatever-you-want-to-call-them... Will always say it needs more time, funding, etc, as DR. SOWELL said.

+heruartist71 Of course it is designed not to work. If it worked, the branch of the government that was dealing with the problem would be out of the job. It is 99+% of todays economical problems: Conflict of Interest. This is something youd get fired for in any private enterprise instantly (no wonder it does not apply to public institutions). Please bear in mind that the views of Mr. Sowell do not magically fix the world, its just better than the alternative (what we have now).

+vertigo0331 NOOOOO He talks so damn slow. Its like that time I passed through Georgia and had to get gas... took me 2 hours to slide my debit card cause the guy at the register talked like this guy.

Liberals always take advantage of the weak to make themselves feel better, acting like the are on the moral higher ground. Meanwhile knowing fully well all they are doing is maintaining the down trodden to remain down

@@MeMe-vm4lh While I do agree in part, the left (which now needs to be distinguished from liberals) is ignorant, and willfully so, to the reasons why they "feel" and do what it is they do. The ideals they hold are based off of a shallow understanding of the "problems" they are trying to fix. The fact that they don't care to look critically at these ideals or the problems tells a lot about the person. They are just weak or ignorant people allowing themselves through lazy thinking and emotional currency to be led around like cattle (that's why so many have the nose rings lol). I think the general population on the left actually thinks (lazily and wrongfully so as is proven in many debates/talks) they are doing something good for the down trodden - not including the upper level political and social leaders of the left, they know what they are doing. The problem is how do you get these people to come out of their stupor and even want to realize the truth in the matter? That they have been idealistically/intellectually lazy and used as a tool for an agenda (no one want's to admit when they are wrong or wants to believe they are being used because of their inadequacies)?? I don't think that can be done by external forces... it has to be done by either time/experience (some it may take half a century if even then) or a want by the person themselves to see otherwise they will push back against the onslaught of Truth that is attacking their perspectives.

@@GossAug Quite true.

@@kingdomcome1617 The Left worldview involves the simplistic view that Man is inherently good, but paradoxically his goodness has established institutions that are selfish and vile, resulting in inequality of results. As a result, there are faultless victims and evil perpetrators. I'm reminded of perfect Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden and along comes a wicked serpent bent on suckering them to their doom. There is no Free Will, no consequences, no dumb mistakes, no differences in maturity, no differences in levels of compulsion or self-control, no karma, no smart people or stupid fools, no driven or laid-back folks, no accidents in the womb or outside... just some evil capitalist out to screw you. You can't use reason when you see life through this Marxist lens of fantasy. But you can become the self-righteous Zealot.

@@kingdomcome1617 Why should the left be distinguished from liberals? If Conservatives now are what liberals used to be, then why not call yourself a proud Conservative? The answer is simply because you're a coward. You're afraid of what people would think about you and do to you if you called yourself a Conservative.

Why settle for another 90 years when you can have him for your lifetime through his books and body of work??

@@stunns2003 Touche’

And another 1,000 of him!

+Anogoya Dagaati Yup.. its what makes Sowell a level headed man, someone to be respected if you like truth, and someone to be feared if you are a propagandist. I started reading him 30+ years ago and he has always struck me the same.. level headed, a tenacious truth teller, unflinchingly hones in on the flaws in an argument. In short, someone who I immensely respect.

smith lovy The fuck are you on about he was 100% correct. As women started becoming educated and joining the workforce at rates comparable to men, the birth rate went down. It's also easier than ever to raise kids and run a household in the modern era thanks to technology.

smith lovy r u insane lol 23 senators because of cultural divergence he said this exactly in the whole video watch it , he said precisely that things change depending on cultutr n ethos etc lol ur very base if thats all u took from sowell qualitative n quantative data ahaggagahhaha

Love love love Thomas Sowell.

As should be said and followed by ANY economist/scientist or anyone with any logic whatsoever!

debate=hate speech now

+Mo Overall Fitness Hacks How the paradigm has shifted, where emotional subjective lunacy has taken over from rationality, reason and objectivity. We are going down a very dangerous road!

back in a time where you could discuss a difference in opinion w/o insulting each other

Ian Paling so true, it's been reduced to now to a high school soap opera

I'd argue that, with these many years of evidence piling up on against these collectivist policies, civil debates are much harder. The leftists must resort to emotional arguments because facts are so heavily against them.

Lol you’re an idiot, we haven’t had 20-25 years of affirmative action because morons like you have been fighting progress along the way. You can try and sound elegant or sophisticated but in the end, you’re just a dumbass.

@@malek8209 Name calling. So intelligently mature.

@@malek8209 Oh, but you've had affirmative action. Just look at what it did to universities where it was implemented by well-meaning useful idiots like yourself (not trying to insult here, but there's no politically correct version of the term as far as I know). Berkeley, DePaul, Evergreen and Oberlin spring to mind.

@@nikolaneberemed If affirmative action meant equal opportunity for all than I am all for it but it doesn't mean that. It means accept those into your school who don't meet your requirements but meet our skin color quotas. Not everyone is qualified to get into Harvard, Berkley, Johns Hopkins, Yale, - Evergreen is a shit hole now, who wants to go there - Cambridge. If you can't get into one of the Ivy league, and few do, go for a State college, you will get a very good education there, the Diploma won't be as impressive but it will show that you did the work and graduated. To me Affirmative Action means this:: You are a looser and will always be a looser, you can't succeed without my help and you will always need my help through out your life. That's' more degrading than before Affirmative Action. Then people may have called you a looser but you different and proved it by your actions, Affirmative Action prevents that, in my honest opinion. Take care and have a good day. I am 65 and grew up when this was just starting and the school I went to, the blacks there worked hard and didn't get into the school because they were black. The School - Wheeling Colleg, a Jesuit institution.

Malek Masri Sri Lanka, Malaysia all had some form of affirmative action. It doesn’t show any significance in social mobility. I’m not against affirmative action, I just think it’s disingenuous to claim that it will improve social mobility. What it is, is a tool for politician to gain votes from minority. The real message behind affirmative action is: we will sacrifice the small minority who were rejected because of affirmative action to gain votes from minorities who benefit from that. Meanwhile, economists will debate endlessly, because that’s what academia is, while politicians go through their papers to look for another way to gain more votes.

i made this argument and the reply was that we need more time and a broader scope.

Make Harvard all black through AA, then break out your popcorn and observe the 95% dropout rate based solely on academic difficulty. There wouldn't be any whites to "oppress" them, yet they would still fail. Then with an unfinished degree, watch them try and pay off the student debt amounting to that of a mid-size home. They will be in debt forever.

Brian Givens i had a hypothesis that these sorts programs were made to hurt minorities. government husband instead of a human, abortion rates, sex “resources”...

Sort of like voodoo economics of Reagan?

@@itWouldBeWise Yes. Exactly like that.

Agreed.

I grew up a Liberal Democrat from New York and I agree wholeheartedly. Thomas is brilliant, but twenty years ago I would have called him an oreo. I am glad I don't use any of those idiotic racist labels anymore.

Genius.

Same thing would have happened to him on any college campus. College is nothing but indoctrination engine for the left

That I don't agree with.

@smith lovy If there's two runners, one is faster than the other competing for one spot. Is it more efficient to hire the slower runner in the name of social balance or is it better to hire the faster runner regardless of his historical background? www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2017/08/07/look-data-and-arguments-about-asian-americans-and-admissions-elite This article summarise the data from Universities. Black and Latino students have advantage over Asian students. While these students are in no way unqualified for universities, it is simply the case of the bell curve. AA actively destroys the model of the bell curve by filtering through racial profiling. I'm not saying AA is, "bad". I'm saying in terms of economic which prioritise efficiency above all else, AA benefits to efficiency is not entirely justified as the late professor have iterated, rather it is based on emotion.

​@smith lovy The stop watch. They don't place disadvantageous countries athletes in front do they? If you want the "playing field is level", is it better to improve the minority condition before pitting them against others or is it better to give them a head start in the race? The important question is does the outcome the university wants with AA justified? Social justice for historical oppressed minority, racial diverse campus to facilitate understanding and improved learning. These are the reasons put forward to defend AA in terms of outcome and not principle i.e. does university as an institution or business has the right to profile its students or customers based on their racial background. The former needs empirical data to justified such as: how has increase minority in top university impact their community and prosperity and how has improved racial ratio improve learning outcome for students. As for the latter, I think it is acceptable for institution to discriminate but also all businesses and institutions should be allowed to make decisions based on background of its customers. As for the bell curve, it refers to the normal distribution of many things: IQ, income distribution, university grading system, SAT scores and of course: www.amazon.com/Bell-Curve-Intelligence-Structure-Paperbacks/dp/0684824299. There's no fairness, we are all part of the normal distribution, one way or another. Before calling it rubbish, address or discuss the ideas. Getting defensive is not helpful to the discussion.

​@smith lovy Who are you ? Why are you talking as if you are a scholar or someone important we have to obtain permission to have a conversation on the internet. "IQ", the centre piece of your argument that aims to insult and undermine credibility instead of presenting a case and use evidence as support is very disappointing. IQ is one useful metric in determination of future success as with income and other metrics whose distribution is, normal. There will always be people with advantage over others one way or another. Interestingly I'm not even referring to IQ differences in races nor races in any context. You seems to be more interested in racial argument than: what's the best tool for the job? For me the matter at hands is a problem that AA is limiting the best tool from landing at where it should be. You are trying to enforce equality, which is another subject entirely. There will be no equality in our society. It is impossible, people are different. An example, a black student from rich family will have advantage over poor people from any races in the race to university. There will always be disparity. If you want absolute equality, I can't have a conversation regarding AA with you simply due to the language I adhere to is strictly of economic nature in which we accept factors like inequality and such as a part of our equation. I'll digress a little and muse with your "honest truth" a little. In your perfect society, when children are born, they should be shipped to a nurturing unit which is designed to train the students and create the best and brightest and then place them accordingly to their ability, separated from any sources of influences, as white as paper. I think you can find it in "The Giver". The solution could be complicated but it should not be patronising as it is now. The solution should be inspiring minority students that school is a pathway to success. Interestingly, go and read up on other minorities in South East Asia such as those in Sri Lanka and Malaysia. If you can put races aside, how difficult it might be when African migrants who made up 50% of the black attending Ivy League had to be mentioned, minorities can achieve very good result if they enjoy a culture that promotes those values. You can even dive deeper and see that African migrants come from better background or model students who have come to the US on scholarship which helps a lot with motivation and character strength whereas Asians are made up of many refugees. They used to be a lot worse than they are now. But that's just my conjecture, pointing it out, nothing to do with AA. If West African can become higher achievers, why are other minorities in the US struggle? Perhaps what the parents are telling their children has something to do with it?

smith lovy "Disproved" in the world of a socialist lunatic means "Factual statement that goes against my narrative." The Bell Curve was never disproved. IQ today is the best predictor for socioeconomic success.

smith lovy "The way to right wrongs of the past is with social engineering" And yet 55 years of AA has made 0 progress for the black community. In fact, they are worse off now than they were before AA. You have no facts on your side. You have nothing.

“A witty saying proves nothing” - Voltaire

Sky Unless it’s the truth - Lincoln on my Minecraft server

NovaLegion No i think you’d still require evidence - George Washington on my Roblox account.

@@Sky-pg6xy Well yes but it's been increasingly obvious that leftist ideas in general aren't supported by facts, but more-so by emotion. - John Adams whilst feeding my neopets

NovaLegion No thats wrong - Mike Tyson on my box of Tasty Oats Cereal Mix

well said, true and very classy

I was thinking the same thing- these two men seem to genuinely like each other.

Hard? It's impossible to listen to that guy. He sounds like a constipated seagull.

He's like the intellectual version of grand maester pycelle.

I almost got the sense that he was trolling, as though he knew damn well his arguments were facile, as though his ulterior motive was to make the opposition to Sowell appear feeble.

haha!

2020 now

it's still too early to tell!

But it wasn't real Affirmative Action! We need to try more.

Covid cut funding, not fair. We need another 25 years please.

The Vietcong were the good guys.

That's right no one wants the FBI showing up at the door or a US Marine corps division invading the neighborhood. Like when Reagan sent in the cops giving them permission to kill at People Park. Then declaring an emergency sending in national guard troops to occupy the city of Berkeley.

@@kimobrien. Oh, definitely: I'm not a fan of Reagan (or of any other person that got to that office). I'm even less a fan of communists.

@@daveBit15 My bet though is I'm the only communist you've ever actually run across.

@@kimobrien. How much do you want to bet?

Reed Rothchild g

@@goodwomengoodman2868 WHAT??

D Hend well I guess it could be said that the white guy did you use intelligent sounding words while he squirmed around and avoided every issue and question. And when he lied he used Pleasant humor to cover up the fact that he had no excuse for them. On the other hand I really like the way mr.Sowell kept spanking his ass... and yes. He was nice about it

They do it all the time actually, just not frankly. "Empirical evidence doesn't matter", "what do you think of so and so", "just like you I take notice to the automobile industry", "25 years is the magical number", "I'll wait for you if you wait for me" etc...

Sowell was low key calling out the other guy tho. Just more sounding more distinguished. Like Sowell said, "I have yet to see any evidence. And I cannot even find anything in ur books. Which I have read." I'm paraphrasing. Lol but it was still way more classy then saying an ad hominem. Imo Sowell was basically saying, u have no evidence therefore u have no argument. Done.

Duy Linh Chu Ha, the funny thing is the left guy was wrong about the cars as well. The US got decimated through the 80s and 90s due to selling junk cars for too much and the Japanese and Koreans swooped in and sold better cars for less. So the “price fixing” he complained about was solved by the market.

And he didn't even have a rebuttal 😅he just jumped to the next subject😮😂😂

MindMeme His sense of humour is his saving grace, even if he is wrong about everything else.

JLongTom Sense of hum,or? Seems like a desperate attempt to keep a float a sinking ship, to me. It's not even funny how Sowell is PWNING this guy.

MindMeme A wet match in a dark cave.

MindMeme He reminds me of Moira the turtle in The Neverending Story. Cute in the movie but very irritating in a real, supposedly intelligent, human.

MindMeme LMAO

Took the words out of my mouth. Well said.

***** No the idea first needs to be reasonably sound. We can outright dismiss crazy ideas without providing any standards of proof.

***** If someone told you that a teapot, and not the moon, was manipulating the Earth's tidal motions; would you entertain them or would you dismiss them outright?

***** Ah, so you'd ask him to cite sources, authorities, and experts? If so, then it DOES come down to the validity, soundness, and plausibility of arguments. In civil & criminal law, there is a 'burden of proof' that generally must be established by the plaintiff (the one who has a complaint) in order that the suit continue. Moreover, if this were decided by common law, a judge would throw it out on grounds of reasonableness. To use the same example, if someone suggested in an argument that a teapot was manipulating the Earth's tidal motions, that notion would be immediately dismissed. There is a 'reasonable person' standard as well - which means things are compared to what a 'reasonable person' would do in the same situation. I think the most reasonable course of action is what Prof. Sowell is suggesting & what civil & criminal law would have, that the one who has a complaint, bears the burden of proof.

***** Indeed. You explained it well. A reasonable argument FIRST needs to be presented and THEN a counter given. In the case of AA proponents, as Sowell points out, the expectation is that a counter first be given. Which is just ridiculous and indicative of unscrupulous motivations behind an already weak argument.

Nobody Was Here the Jew is also white...idiot

@@Anonymous-rp4hn no, they aren't. Even they say they aren't; they only "hello, fellow whites" when it services them.

@@salty28 Yes. "Ethnoreligious people".

@@juliannah5721 race and ethno religion are not the same. But I see how you are trying to conflate the two.

If only they had walked into a bar.....

Ty Guy OMG I'M BEING TRIGGERED TO! DOWN WITH FACTUAL-BASED-REASON-ARCHY

Kevin Ouellet you "need an adult"?!?!?!?! are you kidding me right now?! THAT IS AGEIST YOU SHITLORD. CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE

BWAHAHAHA alright i got nothin ya'll win the internet!

WINNING IS TRIGGERING WE ARE ALL EQUAL HERE

+Ty Guy Logic is content neutral. You should be more persuaded by understanding of assumptions. David Hume is great at presuming arguments then pointing out what is wrong with the asumptions that give life to those arguments. Those tools are timeless.

Everyone knows that is the premise of the show but we humoured your comments anyway.

You know, I don't think it's really even an issue of who's smarter. It's just a matter of who is more well studied. And when it comes to having closely examined hard evidence, no one beats Sowell.

dettigs dumb comment, most blacks know about Thomas Sowell

This is because the left has been successful in pushing their narrative. But we are awakening, and it’s liberating.

Benjamin Meltzer Hey, are we related?

@@ejmeltzer9357 not to my knowledge

@@benmeltzer Yeah, I figured. Lots of Meltzers out there.

Right. People get so heated in debates these days.

You mean reality? Yes I wish that show would air in america too.

The Jewish guy so freakin boring

L.M not many; i only know one other young person with some semblance of rationality

+L.M IKR? Its crazy how far our society has devolved in terms of logic and rational discussion. Compare this to Megyn Kelly on fox news or one of those msnbc shows

Yeah Megyn Kelly is way smarter than any of us

Sounds like he's from California

He's likely from New York and Jewish. Definitely not a WASP. Old Money wouldn't talk this way.

He's from Manhattan..

I thought he said he was Jewish....or maybe I was just inferencing from the fact they were talking about the Jewish and Black communities.

Jewish isn't a place or even referencing a place its a religion lol.

ARM yup,socialists

Why do you think he gave that time frame? He knew he wouldn't have to have egg on his face when he was proven wrong.

i LOLed, thank you

Sounds like you're leveling up.

You just made my day!!!

+Cody Rowe Milton Friedman was not an "internationalist" like the mojority of Jewish intellectuals. No irony.

Stainlessfights4u But he was indeed Jewish. So yes to irony.

Yes it would, and the elites know this. This was always one of the intended goals. They need to tear down the West in order to implement their global control scheme.

No you need a revolution to replace the capitalist government.

Kim O'Brien because that worked _so_ well in Russia, China, Cuba, Germany, Venezuela, Vietnam, Italy, Japan, North Korea, Brazil, and so many others. Only a few hundred million dead bodies and counting. What a great system! Please, do humanity a big favor and move to one of those non-capitalist “paradises”. I’ll give you a week before you’d be begging to come back to America. If it were up to me, I’d give your spot to a deserving person on the immigration waitlist the literal _second_ you left. There are people fleeing the systems you advocate just begging to come here. Some of them come on “boats” made of literal garbage because they had nothing else. But _you_ know better, right?

@@Nicholas_Terry Cuban immigrants love freedom and capitalism because they understand what life is like without it. BLM in my town tried to extort them for "reparations" and they refused and started a peaceful protest. I don't want them to ever lose freedom again and I support them 100%

Well government programs are not bad in themselves. Stupid ones are.

@@Nicholas_Terry The quickest biggest death rate was during WW2 80 million dead in 6 years. Neither Stalin nor Mao could ever match that.The US wanted the big death rates and highest kill ratios in Vietnam and now since Jimmy 'Human Rights" Carter they claim to be a bastion of "Human Rights". Carter was the one who's regime allong with the UK took the side of Pol Pot a genocidal maniac at the UN provided him with arms via the Royal Dictatorship of Thailand.

i think they're British....teeth are not a commodity there. Rather they are the butt of all Britain jokes...

+PotatoMasher1234 I stand corrected...

Zombie Jesus yeah, true...they just reminded me of all the brits I used to draw at Sea World...terribly self depreciation. I loved it they loved!

dental hygiene and materialistic perfectionism are different things

Haha did you feel like taking a jab at their teeth rather than the content of the discussion?

I'm with Dennis. Sept 2020. Nope, shit still doesn't work. Only has created more strife and separation.

@@scottgarelli It's doing what it is intended to do. Liberals claim opposite of the truth. Liars

it was so painful every time his stuttering snake mouth spoke.

+tank2003 The white guy opposite Sowell was doing the leftist 'sneer' that was acceptable in the 70s. That "sneer" has currently turned into outright character assassination by folks on the left. Its never about answering the questions or getting to root causes, its about avoiding them and then sneering about the idiots asking the questions. The endgame though is always the exact same thing.. government uber alles.

R King Sneer. I'll have to use that. The left is all about deflecting nowadays. Deflecting, Vague and generic "apologies" and lumping mass groups together and warping facts and data to further their platform

He's far more prominent in economics than Tyson ever was or will be in physics

Cai "ever will be" exposes you as a basement hater. Both guys can be appreciated without knocking Tyson down.

It's the biggest red pill you can give yourself. Basic Economics followed by Manufacturing Consent, then topped off by Atlas Shrugged you're ready to start rebuilding your view of political economy.

If this is the case shouldn't ivy league Universities like Harvard end legacy admissions and tackle nepotism? Heck doesn't it make sense to work towards the elimination of elitism in education full stop because we all know that admissions to Universities like Harvard are rooted in the way children are groomed and educated which automatically creates a bias for the rich who have all the resources in the world to invest in their childrens future. It's not a level playing field yet people want to pretend that it's a meritocracy and the smartest & best rise to the top. Work towards society being a meritocracy rather than favouring a well monied elite.

By the way Affirmative action policies shouldn't resort to quotas, that's just a race to the bottom is so obviously flawed and redundant that I wonder if that was intention in the first place.

They're also the true creators of fascism, and communism.

LOUDMOUTHTYRONE yes. karl marx was a jew. and so were the bulsheviks

LOUDMOUTHTYRONE fascism was in direct opposition to communism and marxism, communism and marxism was created through Jewish Bolshevism as a veil to mask their involvement

Spirit Splice you know that most Jews are white, right? Lol

if you want to be the best -black- man you can be,Thomas Sowell is the rolemodel to follow

Global* treasure

It's white or Jewish. Not both.

@@AccountInactive I stand corrected. Do we know if he is Jewish? Is he from the tribe of Judah?

@ippos_khloros because the word Jews is defined from Judah. However, I should have also acknowledged the tribe of Benjamin, apologies for my mistake

Yes

Had the same thought myself.

***** Engineer detected.

***** If you want to waste a couple hundred grand of someone else's money, enroll in one of their academic programs at an Ivy League college.

meh... I don't think Obama is of a Kenyan birth.... But I agree.... what if the first man of color as president was someone like Sowell... so much potential healing...