I had an elderly guy come into my office a few months ago. Didn't want me to do an exam. didn't want any x-rays. He just wanted me to give him a quick crack. I politely explained that's not what I do, and we would need to do a proper examination before I would do any treatments. I don't know what's wrong with him. During the consultation, he told me he was experiencing reoccurring low back pain as well as abdominal pain. We did a full battery of orthopedic and neurological tests. And then I insisted he go out for plain film imaging (x-rays) of the lumbar spine. Low and behold he had a calcified abdominal aortic aneurysm. I sent him to the ER, and just in time because it started to dissect. Had I just started adjusting his low back, it might have been a very bad outcome for both of us. X-rays aren't necessary for everyone. A good chiropractor does a very comprehensive consultation and examination first - and allows the ensuing clinical information to help with clinical decision making regarding advanced diagnostic testing.

top way to spot a bad chiropractor. The sign outside the office that says "chiropractor"

#1 says chiropractor on the sign outside.

OMG! I wish I would of watched this before I went to this chiropractor today! You literally hit on everything he did I thought I was at a car dealer 😫

Dr Ian of Gonstead Chiro has a great rep and yet nearly all of his treatments on You Tube have an x-ray on their first visit.

I'm a chiro, have been over 20 years. I respect your right to be opinionated, though I adamantly disagree with one of your points. In my opinion, if a chiro does NOT take xrays you better run. 3 times I've had a new patient with pain, twice in the neck and once thoracic, who when I took Xrays there was an obvious presence of bone cancer. Not common, of course. But that is 3 people I had a large chance of either killing or paralyzing. Hope you have a good malpractice policy.

Lmao this guy has chiropractors all in their feelings 😂

I canceled after my 2nd visit today. I felt like I was waiting at the BMV room and the tables are out in the open while everyone is staring at you. My first visit entailed an xray and I asked about the costs out of pocket 3 times and got the go around. It was like a car sales not giving the figures up front.

My chirocrapracter said they don't do xrays. If they think someone needs it, they'll refer you back to your Dr. No package deals because you may not need it. No Groupon. I must have a good one.

holy shit I literally just saw a chiro that did all 3 things ... wow thank you so much.. I had a gut feeling that I was being scammed so I refused the treatment and their tone changed from very welcoming to very threatening.... thank you so much

Three ways to spot a bad chiropractor. 1. they call themselves a chiropractor 2. they studied to be a chiropractor 3. they tell you chiropractics work

Every time I go to a seminar, chiropractors are bashing others, just because they don't practice the same way as them. I personally don't take x-rays, but I am in no position to judge the ones that do. 80 percent of knee surgeries are unnecessary. Let's focus our outrage on that. Chiropractic can only help!

X-rays are important and should not be used as a marketing tool. Few weeks ago, I had a reluctant patient complaining of double vision, difficulty swallowing, weakness of the arm with repeated use. He refused to take chest x-rays. I proceeded to do my ortho/neuro examinations and was certain of thymoma which needs immediate attention. Sent him out to do the chest x-rays which had impressions of an enlarged thymus causing shortness of breath. He came back to thank me for my efforts and apologized for not doing the x-rays at first. In conclusion, X-rays are important but the physician has to perform a well comprehensive and detailed examination. There are still chiropractors that go the extra mile for their patients.

I've been seeking for a good chirocpractor in the Los Angeles California area. I heard so many good benefits about chiropractic adjustments for low back pain. However, they are so many here in my area. could you give me a hand at finding some, i would appreciate it.

What qualifies you to give healthcare advice?

I hate chiropractor who are in a rush! They schedule 5 appointments at the same time, crack your back and moves on! When I do have an issue, they are too busy to spend the extra time with me.

Hi I am a Gonstead Chiropractor and I agree with the points made in the video. I have experienced the type of clinic that use these methods first hand. The Gonstead Chiropractor does use X-ray to find out the misalignment of the spine or pelvis, this information in my experience allows the Chiropractor be very specific with the adjustment, in terms of direction / type of adjustment, what is called a listing. It is important to know that if the treatment is not improving the patients' complaint very early on then it means the Chiropractor has not made the right choice of treatment, or that the complaint is of a different nature, and requires referral to a medical doctor or other therapist. Another sign of a good Chiropractor is one that gives you advice on how to prevent reoccurances of your complaint. Also they ask questions on the first visit which helps him to decide which area of the spine or pelvis was the original source of the problem. It is important to understand that the spine compensates and so just because a spinal segment is not moving properly and is restricted, does not mean it should be adjusted. The skill for me in Chiropractic is working this out. So if a Chiropractor adjusts several joints in a treatment session, they are not doing this. In my experience, when the right segment is adjusted in the right way, the patient will see immediate results. I hope this information helps.

A few weeks ago I went to the chiropractor for headaches and when he cracked my neck I new there was something wrong. Now I am in so much pain that it isn't even funny. I hope it gets better but now I don't know what to do. I think I am going to go to my appointment today and talk to him but not let him crack me! I wish I never would have went. Biggest regret of my life

Can anyone recommend a good corrective chiropractor in the Philippines?

Wish I would of seen this months ago. Went to 2 different chiropractors and the 1st 2 warnings you gave is exactly how their offices worked. Now, on the other hand, there's a wonderful chiropractor I started seeing on and off back in 2008. Problem is he's now like an hour drive for me but never once said I needed xrays, never gave me a "treatment plan" and never tried to sell me anything. Oh yeah, as far as the other 2, the one I saw a few time but caught on and the other one, I saw him twice and never went back.

I just met a chiropractor. He did a quick adjustment and I felt immediate relief. He did have a referral to do an x-ray so that he will get a clearer picture if compression is necessary. If not, he will continue with just adjustments. As for packages, I was the one who asked to lay it out there cos I wanna know what to expect... He said it's not usually his practise to show on a first visit, but he obliged and showed me in general what the cost is like. But he said it will really depend on the result of my x-ray. So, I guess overvall, I didn't get a bad one.

I was just diagnosed with scoliosis by my chiropractor (1st xray 2nd visit). She offered me a package for 18months and said she can correct the scoliosis and the hip an pain problems. She then cracked my neck and said ill sleep better already but it hurts. I already payed out of pocket in advance for my 1st 3visits. So I far I'm on visit 2 but I was just charged a second time for future visits. I don't have insurance to be getting sold a dream while paying out of pocket in hopes that this chiropractor will fix me. I was thrown from a horse age 23 and been dealing with so much pain since. I am 33 and need to work, im scared to have children because of the pain. Should I continue chiropractic adjustments and laser 🤔 or do I just stretch like I never stretched before on my own. Is it really a waste of money when you're without insurance? The only reason I am desperate to try this is because so many people are dying from pain pill so thats not an option. Just don't want to keep forking over hundreds and thousands I don't have. Someone please any advice on this?

1- he is a chiropractor 2- he is a chiropractor 3- he practices chiropractic

Hi. I'm a bit (a lot actually) desperate for sound advice. I went to a chiropractor for the first time ever for scapular pain. He adjusted and used the activator on my neck. The pain has radiated to my upper back, my entire neck and has made my lower jaw very stiff (hard to open). I've been to his office 3x and the pain has been progressively worse. Is this the norm of chiropractice? A lot of pain first then relief? I work 2 jobs, both of which are very physical and I'm just gritting through the pain. Please help.

How you going to know what's going on with the alignment of the spine if you don't have an x-ray

I just started seeing a chiropractor. I *wanted* someone who was going to have me get x-rays because I didn't want someone to start manipulating my spine and neck without having any idea of their integrity. To me, it just makes sense. Perhaps they would have been able to palpate my spine and know that it was very curved, my hips are slightly misaligned, and my neck is tilted.. but how would they know about anything possibly beyond that? I'd rather they have a general idea of what's going on structurally before they touch me, than to assume that my issues are "typical". They can then personally provide me with a course of treatment based upon their findings. Not every patient is going to be the same.

Dear Muscle Dr. I have to disagree with your first statement. Why? Because I have scoliosis. In 2012 I had my first Scoliosis Xray done and it showed a 11 degree curve to the right. That was done through my PCP. Now 2018, I just saw my new Chiropractor about 2 months ago and he's great. He too said he needed an Xray before performing any manipulations to my back and I thought that was great and very smart. I've had 2 Chiropractors prior and both didn't push for an Xray. Basically they were just working on my back for several years without any results. I took a Scoliosis Xray last month at Hoag Hospital here in Irvine California by a professional radiologist. Yes my insurance covered the Xray and I live in Irvine California and am very lucky because I'm close to some of the best doctors in the US. Anyways the Xray showed my 11 degree curve is the same but it showed that my Atlas is tilted and not straight. The Atlas is what holds the brain stem and is theorized to be why my back curves to the right and why my right hip is higher then the left hip. Without this Xray I would've gone my who life not knowing that my Atas was tilted which is very scary because left untreated can cause many problems with the blood flow to your brain and even death. The Xray also showed that I have Kphosis. Another thing I didn't know. People with bad Kphosis have to have steal bars put in their backs to make it straight. So ya your first comment about the Xrays is completely invalid.

My husband and I go to an exceptional chiropractor. I disagree with you that an x Ray isn’t needed. It was eye opening to see what each of us needed. We are able to see our results over the months, by comparing our images. It also gave the chiropractor a clear picture of the treatment needed for both of us.

So are you saying all NUCCA chiros are a scam? Pretty much everything you just named off pertains to what they do. I'm just wondering because I started seeing one a month ago and I'm starting to wonder.

I knew a doc a few years back that had an older patient complaining of neck pain, He got a film on him and he had neck cancer not always good to avoid the Xray

is the joint chiropractic good to go to,does anyone know any good ones for me to go to?

I have had chronic pain for 10 years been through tons of chiropractors. I have found one that I have been to now that has fixed my pain in 3 treatments and only wants to see me once a month. She is a true healthier. the others would crack and pop things and only create more pain. she doesn't do any cracking or popping just puts the bones back gently and then lets my body rest and heal its self.

Here’s one way to spot a bad chiropractor, spot one.

Ever since I pulled a muscle around the upper part of my back/low neck area I can’t really turn my head all the way. There’s no pain but it’s something I’ve noticed since then.

Good job Muscle Doc! I wholeheartedly agree with all three of these tips! ...and there are more. Im 30 years as an RN and chiro both. Recently retired from chiro and was the best thing I could have done as there was too much garbage in the profession. Those chiros who defend those practices you outline...are businessmen and/or technique gurus first...patient care advocates second. Working blind is what chiros do...even with xrays. Even with orthopedic tests. MOST good information you will get will be from your interview...then your exam...a part of which routine xrays are not only rarely that useful but relied upon way too much for the limited information provided by them.

Why are X-rays off the bat bad I just made a appointment where he said that’s standard practice. Since they’re not able to see what’s wrong without it.

Thank you, you seriously just confirmed what I knew, also I have to ask more than once each visit if I can get a full body adjustment, I am not even in there 5 minutes, I am not comfortable with her

Just out of curiosity, where did you go to school, and are they teaching that X-rays aren't part of diagnostic protocol? Among other things, I have caught a persistent non-union C2 slice fracture (two years post trauma) and at least four cases of metastatic cancer on film. Had I adjusted any one of these patients blindly I could have killed them. I certainly hope your malpractice carrier never sees this video.

Yup, it's always better to just jump on someone's back before visualizing the integrity of the spine via spinal x-rays.............. but hey that's what malpractice is for right?

I've yet to be to a chiro that didn't want x-rays before beginning treatment...

Telling it like it is. Thanks.

I joined “the joint” chiropractic and what a joke. When I saw someone measuring me from my pose, I was skeptical. Then they sold me on a month to month plan that I had to come into the original office I started with to cancel it. Not an in office cancellation, but a full on in person thing. Almost like they are shaming you for doing it.

When I was at work I hear and feel a crack in my low back ,never visit a chiropractor I was suffering this for 10 years I always relax take few days off and back to work , when I visit the chiropractor she did a X-ray on my back in the first place than she put me ice and electric muscle stimulator and she told me come back next day .

My doctor didn’t order me an X-ray, assumed my problems were muscle issues, and sent me to physical therapy to do exercises that turned out to be bad for my condition. Only my chiropractor took an X-ray and confirmed that my condition is reverse cervical lordosis, which was the cause of my neck pain (not muscles). I went back to my doctor and demanded an X-ray and assessment from a radiologist. And guess what? The doctor came back with the sane exact assessment and diagnosis as the chiropractor’s. If not for the chiropractor taking the X-ray, I would still be doing physical therapy exercises that would be horrible for my condition.

As a designated doctor (and chiropractor) in the state of TX, I have found that most all orthopedics surgeons (99%) will perform XRAYs (on the first visit) regarding the patient's chief complaint of neck, mid, low back, knee, ankle, pain, etc. (NOT JUST CHIROPRACTORS)... its good practice. Also, if an MRI is needed, most insurance companies will not pay if XRAYs are not first performed. More importantly, some types of pain in the spine can indicate serious pathology (i.e bone cancers)- taking XRAYs is good practice and it protects the patient. A good practice of medicine never assumes the patient's spinal structure is healthy just because they are young or because their complaint seems minor or common. There have been several cases where both the patient and myself were glad XRAYs were taken finding pathology on the bone or within the soft tissue (i.e. abdominal aortic calcification) that needed immediate MD referral. If you do know the physical health status of the spinal structure (which XRAY's provide) , you do not objectively know the severity of the complaint.... because not all serious pathology immediately provokes pain (i.e. pancreatic cancer). For someone to give an opinion that XRAYs are not needed just because a chiropractor is ordering them is a limited viewpoint of optimal healthcare. I understand the point; however, I believe the scope and quality of care when performing XRAY's only benefits the patient. It allows the doctor more objective diagnostic information- so that you are NOT guessing as to what is causing the problem). Chiropractic care is functional rehabilitative medicine... and is a proactive approach to achieving optimal health as we all mature. The muscles are an important component/system of the body that needs to be addressed but not the only system in the body that attention requires. If the bone structure (whether within the spine or within the joints) under the muscle(s) has mal-position or an aggressive arthritic bone degenerative disease is progressing rapidly, the doctor- will not know how best to treat the patient.

Great video - I'll share it on my clinic Facebook page. My other big flag is "Subluxation Stations" - anyone that uses a 'scanner' to find spinal boo-boo's. Great marketing tool with no real world relevance or diagnositic value. We don't see a lot of the Groupon chiro's here - but there we do get the home show offers for a "free spinal scan and assessment" -- I try to politely explain that nothing is really free -- they offer those free exams because they know how to scare people into buying the big treatment plan.

Is the joint chiropractic credible?

I've been going to a chiropractor for a few years now off and on but she never did an x ray or thorough examination. But my upper back and neck for the last couple months have been hurting bad. A friend told me about another chiropractor but they also do physical therapy and ultra sound and massages. They did an x ray on the first visit. It's not going to be cheap about $800 after insurance for everything they are doing. But I have some arthritis in my neck and something else in my upper backwhich she said is why I am getting hurtburn. It's not a package deal but an actual plan for 12 weeks. I've only been 3 times so far but my upper back is feeling better but my neck is still sore.

I encountered one of these offices. Quoted $7,000. $75 for a 10 minute visit, 3 times a week for 6 months. If I didn't do the entire treatment, I would "slip a disc any minute " XRay the first visit. Yup. They almost got me. Turned me off of the whole thing.

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So i hurt my back pretty bad deadlifting a few months back(could barely tie my shoes) and a CNP told me i most likely herniated a disc in my lower back(gave me some muscle relaxers and ibuprofin and put me back out the door), I really cant afford to go to a good chiropractor and have been dealing with back pain ever since, and i would also like to be able to get back into dead lifting eventually -_-. My question is, is a cheap/bad chiropractor better than no chiropractor at all, i really just want to find a way out of this, and with school and everything else i can't spare hundreds of dollars to find a reputable chiropractor and my insurance doesn't cover it. Foam rolling/stretching/hot,cold treament/light core exercises have been my "at home" temporary relief.

Wow! Totally disagree with the X-Rays.

Ive been to several chyropractors where im from and I was hoping you would mention the ones who do not use their hands to adjust they only use those noisey drop tables and gadgets..I cant get relief! My right side is seizing up and Parts of my body are going numd ive all but lost hope I'm on you tube trying to find a doc who can help I have children I need to work I can barely function cant sleep I cant find help in Wisconsin so I'm trying to find a doctor I can travel to that's not to far away but im looking at plane tickets and hotel stay paying for treatment out of pocket..It feels hopeless I used to believe chiropractors where the last of the real doctors but it seems big medicine and insurances have corrupted this too.

Another red flag for ME, is if they are WAY into New Age stuff. But each patient is different. Some would PREFER an x-ray the first time and some like the New Age visualizations and crystals and aroma therapy aspect.

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i visited my chiropractor he seems like a really nice guy this was my first visit and he did xrays on me and had me layed down asked me about my pain but he didnt tell me about my xrays yet and said he will the next visit

I've practiced by only imaging due to a failure of conservative care before. And I just started practicing with an in office x-ray suite. And I love x-rays now! I love taking them, reading them, showing patients their deficits, degeneration, posture, and congenital anomalies. It helps me make more sense of their condition to myself, to them, and to their insurance adjuster. Since we take them, I can set my own custom price to not break the bank on cash patients. AND!! Baseline readings are important for anyone's health record! You should absolutely see what your spine looks like a few times in your life, you should know what your heart sounds like, what your EKG looks like, and what your blood chemistry looks like BEFORE it changes into a disease state.

Ok, so props to making this video, but here is my take... and it's a good one being that I'm a Chiropractor. 1) X-ray needed on first visit - Yes, I believe you are right on 90% of cases. However, some Chiropractors have techniques that utilize the X-ray for alignment of certain bones to perform their technique. I do not, but I will back up thrones who do. If it's being used as a scare tactic, your right on the money. There are in fact practice management groups out there that say to do just that.. 2) Package deals - Well, I can't defend this one lol. I couldn't have said it better. If you have to pay for a package deal, more than likely your taking advantage of your role as a trusted medical provider to pry on the unsuspecting. I've gotten more patients than I can count because they felt wronged by that exact scenario. 3) Groupon Chiropractors are bad - I'm going to have to disagree on this one. I am on Groupon and it's to drum up more business. Getting that patient in for their initial is critical and I discount the first visit in order to get them in the door. I've given out over 150 FREE adjustments in the past week to market myself at different events... and you know what... This week has been crazy busy with PAYING patients that thanked me for showing them that Chiropractic can help them.

Yep, got suckered on this yesterday, i prepaid a service $300 including the xray and exam that he did. All my problem was I had a misaligned bite. Went to dentist, got me a bite guard for now to heal my jaw muscles, then i'll have my bite fixed. I wore braces and I just neglected not wearing retainer when I am supposed to every night my FAULT. So my teeth moved caused me a major TMJ pain.

Hi muscle doc. I am glad I found your video. I will tell you what the situation is/was. so I was at this down town festival last week towards the end of my work week (and it is right down town) the very last person I talked to happened to be a chiropracter, mainly because the woman there was really hot and cute and she seemed to know everytyhing, now he caller her "babe" so I don't know if that was his girlfriend, but she said almost the same things he said after I talked to her and he spoke to me.he immediately started telling me he can tell I have issues because my shoulder on one side was slightly lower then the other but that most people can't tell, but due to his profession he sees it. which I guess isn't really anything I could argue against.he said I should get checked out if I want. it was like $245 but If I did the appointment set up that day he would give me all that for $25. I figured it can't hurt. now I would not have been able to afford 245 but I figured ok. no problem.so I went yesterday. I was told it was going to be 30-45 minutes. but was there for a little over an hour. mainly due to the fact his receptionist doesn't work that day of the week and he had probably 5-8 people in that hour he made adjustments for while during my appointment. would you say that is a red flag? I mean they didn't last much more then 2-5 minutes per person clearly. he took x rays like 15 of them I actually asked him, uh, hey, aren't you going to put lead covering on. he said it isn't that that dangerous and that the amount he is going to use is no more radiation than you get on a trip from nY to san francisdo on an airplane for 4 or 5 hours. which I guess is ok but still struck me as odd.now, I think that x-ray was part of that full diagnostic thing I paid 25 for, which was only about 10% of what it should be worth.he seemed to be focused on healing and health and a comprehensive thing, but anyway, he also during that appointment had me do various things and he told me not only are my shoudlers not allighed quite right, but in a certain position my left leg is shorter than my right, and other various things of this nature. he kept focusing specifically on sublaxation, or whatever the word is.he then told me it would take an hour or 2 to go over my results and to come back tomorrow (in this case it was today)this was only about 15 minutes long or so.he said he had bad news and good news.the bad news is it was slightly worse than he thought (and he thought it wasn't great)but he said he can help me, and if I am willing to do recommended exercises and stretches at home and take home this device for my neck he would give me it would heal faster.strangely he never showed any x rays on my back, most of the spine, he focused soley on my neck only. I always thought chiropractors did the back mostly and a little bit the neck. at any rate, he showed me a chart on the left of what looks norman, than phase 1 , phase 2, phase 3 and phase 4 not shown as at that point he could not help.he asked me to look at my photos and the photos of the phases. I am very detailed, and based on on what I could tell I was between normal and phase 1 (what these phases are I don't totally get, but hey) he was lke oh no no no, you are at phase 2 and you are probably slowly heading toward phase 3.he showed me all kinds of things and explained it to me, and honestly he said it looks like I have 30 years worth of things leadin gto this. and that I have degeneration in parts of my neck and how the head is 10-12 lb and will slowly get worse and I won't have any movment in my neck.funny thing, the day before he asked me to tuck my head in to my chest, and back to look up and side to side. I know for a fac tI clearly bent myneck in all 4 directions as far as pretty much anyone can do so short of being triple jointed. he was like, oh, you don't have full range. I am pretty sure I do though lolnow I do know since I was fairly young, my neck does lean forward a little and my posture has never been great. but it is what it is. I however did not have any pains. you see when I came in yesterday, he asked what brought me in? I said he did by being at the festival and I agreed for the 25 dollar exam.almost like he forgot why. I filled this thing out. I had no symtoms or aches. he was surprised. than goes into how, I may feel totally fine, but feeling fine doesn't mean anything, only this full exam is going to be sure.so yeah, I know my neck is not ligned up perfectly but clearly it has not caused me chronic pain in it nor my back. but he seemed to make it sound as though If I let this go on and on my quality of life will decrease more and more .so we get to the plan and price.so I don't know if it was a package or plan. it was a plan of sorts, and he did indicate he doesn't want me to need to come forever but to heal me completely and said in my case it would take about a year and the goal is to get me to where I can do almost everything at home.so it was a 90 day plan. where the first month I go 3x per week for a month then 2nd month maybe 2 times a week and the 3rd month maybe 1-2 times per month then after that I would only need to come in here and there and keep doing stretches.so than he gets to the financial part.He said the total for everything I would do is 2800 dollars but if if I do a one time payment up front I can make it 1800. or I could do 3 payments of 787. actually his math wasn't even right as I am an engineer and when he said 2800 I said that would be a little over 900 per payment of 3 times. or maybe he said 8something, but his math was wrong. albeit in my favor lolI told him I need to talk to my financial planner and explained how I don't have the funds and am trying to work on getting more money at work.anyway, based on this. would you say he pretty much fits what you said?one to stay away from?

He ain't lying - I went to a groupon chiropractor and it was like seeing a cartoon doctor from the Simpsons

So is Chiro One legit or no?

How many times a day do you think he Roids up?

I’ve been through the ringer twice with chiropractors 😔 I am just trying to get better and continue lifting after my car accident. I can’t seem to find any good chiropractors. I’m always getting scammed.

Great video. Spot on, brother. I'm in a suburb of Pittsburgh where a family of Chiropractors has dominated the market for 40 years with these exact shenanigans combined with "rack em and crack em" appointments. It is incredibly frustrating to say the least because people think this is Chiropractic through and through.

Great advice. I linked this to my chiropractic facebook page. I give the same warnings. I also usually recommend that the better clinics take time in the office visit. So not only the high frequency patient mills should be avoided, but also the ones where the chiropractor is in and out of the room in 2 minutes.

THANKS MAN! Holy shit, I had a chirocraptor in Philippines that brought me down the EXACT sales funnel you described here. They got me for the xray but thankfully paypal refunded my consultation fee and my gut steered me away when he was trying to close me on some bullshit 50 visits up front. He wanted to pop my back fifty times and fed me some bullshit that that would help my issue after 50 visits or something. Total horse shit. Thankfully I had good chrio's in the states in the past. Great ones. So I knew something was off with the guy in Philippines. Grateful Beauh Highttower posted about this video clip, so now movng forward I can know my intuation was correct while I look for help out here in Southeast Asia still. And avoid scam

How can you fix the inside of someone's body without taking a look inside? As a patient I'd rather xrays.

You mean the 12 treatment plan recommended when I began filling out paperwork was a red flag.

How can you tell if you have a legit chiropractor? I told him how I have ankle problems from a bad twist as a teen and he has only been cracking my neck and back then sends me Home.... I’m paying $50 for barely a 15 min visit! He did offer his “package” deal of $400+ which was about $45 verse the $50 with my insurance each visit... then he said that once he runs through the insurance he can’t change to the package deal...Also this guy runs the whole office alone.... he took the X-rays, he makes the alignments, he makes the appointments, he also calls the insurance company! Please give me some feedback ASAP!

Yes I fell for this hook, line and sinker. I didnt like the first treatment he used an Activatior on my neck when he knew I had hyperacusis and tinnitus and I wasnt feeling right for days after the treatment. I asked for a refund for the package I paid for and he said he will send me a cheque when i paid by card.

Diagnostic imaging. Would you trust a orthopedic surgeon to do surgery on your foot without seeing xrays? Drastic example, but it is valid. If your symptoms are due to canal stenosis, then this will indeed be only seen on imaging and alter treatment plans. Or if you have a 7mm symptomatic bulge, I would like to know that. Also, imaging on first visit provides for a good baseline, and potential for catching tumors or any other issues. As the radiation, that you get from a spine xray is equivalent of a flight from NY to CA. Packages: Anyone offering you a package... run away. GroupOn: Illegal for DCs to use. At least in CA.

With the unethical chiros - I've noticed that so called up-front comprehensive initial exams also include a comprehensive exam of my insurance with any resulting recommendations I receive usually involving a "care plan" that maxes out all available benefits for chiropractic visits. Funny how that works... That said, I've benefited from some good chiro care and none of the providers put me through the "we first need to put together a detailed plan of care and healing for you" which involves a large up front out-of-pocket expense. Sure, there might be an up front estimate of number of visits and present a diagnosis but I've never been to ask to sign anything that contractually binds me to a certain number of visits.

Great video. Obviously from the comments its a very controversial topic. Take home message being to educate yourself and question your doctor

It’s crazy how some Chiros can miss things like tumors on their xrays. Hopefully they use radiologists in 2019 to read the xrays

do you even lift bro?

Three ways to spot a bad Chiropractor: 1. They are a Chiropractor. That is all

Good lord, just saw a chiro that did all 3 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ my husband has already spent over $600 on visits. They were very pushy, and it was a sales pitching, when I questioned their products, they went too happy, and when I argued against their package. My husband had showed up with whip lash, so the frequent visits seemed possible... neither of us had been before. I'm actually in more pain, I have stronger pain in the side of my neck that was not in pain in the first place. So now both my left and right side are sore, with the side that was worked on worse off then my original pain. Not happy!

So, while I wanted to agree with most of what you're saying, 16 years experience tells me that it isn't quite so simple. It's easy to say that DC's use X-ray as a marketing tool or scare tactic but to be honest, I've been able to find so many "hidden" serious health problems by using X-ray appropriately over the years regardless of how I "thought" the X-ray would impact their treatment outcome. Since we know that subluxation, which, by the way guys is the total and utter foundation of Chiropractic, and if you think otherwise, you are in the wrong profession, doesn't always manifest as pain, X-ray is often the ONLY tool we have to detect them. It isn't an easy visit when you have to tell a patient they have the potential of a cancerous lesion in their body, or another serious health concern you couldn't possibly have palpated, because you happen to do the responsible thing and X-ray them appropriately. I guess the bottom line here is that before we go bashing each other, lets just agree that the appropriate use of X-ray, treatment plans and advertising are what it boils down to. If we bash each other, we're just fueling the fire for those we work so hard to stop bashing us! Happy adjusting.

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You are almost 100% correct except for the X-ray thing I think they all do it because they want to cover there ass and make sure they don't seriously hurt you and number 2 is spot on my first chiro ever talked about a package and was the biggest scam ever, sure had the pretty office cute wife and secretary but was a freaking JOKE. He had high google reviews but you can't go off that. I like the whole video here its pretty dam spot on for what to watch out for.

how much do you bench?

As a chiropractor I don't totally agree with this first point. I would say I x-ray a number of my patients, but I see many patients with much more serious problems than "stiff after an airplane ride" as he was talking about. I feel like if your treating someone that has serious issues, such as radicular pain, than x-rays can be a really good tool to knowing the real condition of the patient. However, I strongly agree with the other two points that he made. Overall a good video.

the package was a red flag for me, three times a week every week for 3 months then 2 times a week every week then one time a week every week and then once a month and it seems like everyone at this place was doing the same package that was the main reason why I never went back

X-rays are a great tool. So many people are hurt and have further damage by going in without an x-ray.

Spot on video. The best chiropractor our family went to, never did an X-ray. He knew his stuff, was calm, careful, and showed great patience. You always left fixed without needing a second visit (ie non chronic condition). So many, if not all chiros are pursuing an X-ray on first visit, failing to listen and deal with the problem area, and simply throwing you around like a copse on a slab, cracking your whole body but leaving the problem area only partially treated (all to get you back on return visits). When the business model is about getting you in on repeat visits rather than fixing the problem, you know something is wrong. I probably went to the worst chiro yesterday. At least it was only 10mins of medieval torture. Last time I had this problem, same thing, I had to get another chiro to fix the mess caused by a half-baked repair. If a brain surgeon deliberately left a scalpel in your head so you came back for more surgery, you would rightfully call it malpractice.

1974, I’m in Paris France trying to convince a chiropractor to treat me for my arthritis. I had a friend with me who spoke French and it still took us a half an hour to translate my needs into what this doctor can do. I’ve gone to a lot of good chiropractors in the US but I’ve never seen anybody as professional and as guarded is this gym realize he wasn’t being obstreperous, he just wanted to make absolutely sure that I knew what I was getting into. And then he cracked the living daylights out of me for about 45 minutes

Hey doc, no offense but it is based on your technique. I have practiced Upper Cervical specific for many years and yes I take X-rays on the first visit. Good luck and try not to bash your fellow brothers in practice. If we are detecting and correcting vertebral subluxations we are doing the right thing if not we are not doing chiropractic.

I had the “package” experience also. It was my first chiro experience and it felt super shady to me. Thanks for confirming.

The xray thing does not apply to if you have something wrong with you that might effect ur bones, in that case chiros need an x-ray to make sure that they won't make ur situation worse.

I agree with everything but the X-ray park, sometimes if unsure of the issues X-rays can make sure nothing super serious is going on so u don’t hurt the patient more

A lot of chiropractors do have you get an imaging exam, an x Ray isn’t too expensive or invasive, I had one done by my PCP before I decide seeing a chiropractor. Turns out I have wear n tear in my back n spine. But yeah a lot of the rest I agree on, if they wanna see you every other day that’s crazy unless you’re in bad shape, I’ve seen one dr in Houston on YT who does multiple adjustments on people but they have degenerative disc disease or bad herniated discs.

0:18 why did you call Dr. Oz as a bad doctor?

Wish I was this before I went to my local ✌🏻✌🏻 best chiro in my town X-rays first visit $140 30 min session of him explaining parts of my body he for sure knew I wasn’t going to have a clue what he was talking about, 2-3-4-5 visit all spent 10 mins adjusting my leg length and cracked my neck asked me to come 3 times a week for 6 months like I’m made of money as I’m 18.

This is not always true. Best sign of a good chiropractor is that they help you get better.

First of all chiropractors don't treat symptoms, they remove pressure from nerves by removing the hard bone (spinal misalignment). Secondly, x-rays do show static misalignments pointing to potential subluxations as well as degenerative tissue issues that give info critical to decision making and taking them on a visit other than the first would be incorrect. Packages are part or a correction plan just like orthodontists. Repeated systematic adjustments achieve the goal of spinal correction over a period of time and it is physiologically different for each individual but there are base parameters that are common like the 3 times a week, 2 times a week, and 1 time a week. It is a complete disservice to throw this incorrect info out there diminishing a wonderful profession that's been around since 1895. Wilk vs AMA is something that would explain where this guy is coming from.

Is this based on opinion or facts?

A lot of comments on the xray comment. I honestly think he means if they are not diagnostically necessary. No orthopedic or neurological signs or physical symptoms to support further testing. I don't think he meant to down any responsible use of xrays. Just my opinion.

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I have been a massage therapist for 15 years and have worked for chiropractors also have been a patient and I agree with you. I was used to go once a week as a patient for years even before becoming a massage therapist. One day I met a chiropractor who was working differently and was taking 30 min to adjust me doing muscle testing. Since then yes most of the chiropractors out there are there for money. Yep ! like i said i worked for 3 chiropractors and they do all the same. You go and lay down on a roller bed (15 min) then they might do heat and stim unit for 15 min ( this is only sugar coating) then it is time to adjust you (5 min). So if you are in a hurry the adjustment will only take 5 min. I'm not telling you that they are not nice people but it is like comparing a Toyota Yaris to a BMW. When you do not know better the Toyota will be okay. The crack most of the time will feel good maybe for a day and if you are lucky a week but you will be there almost every week. So if you really care about your health I would suggest a chiropractor that does A.K ( applied Kinesiology.) They muscle test you before and after the adjustment. So they know if the adjustment is good or not. They are more precise than the regular Chiropractor. At the same time, they can muscle test you for weak ligament digestive problems, adrenal fatigue, etc. so if you are a person looking for a good chiropractor Here is a link to the Applied Kinesiology Association. Maybe you are a Chiropractor who does not use A.K. Well maybe you should take classes for the benefit of your clients and spend more quality time with them! www.icakusa.com/