Throne And Liberty Review (Max lvl / 100H+)

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#throneandliberty #pay2win #review
After playing the game around 100 hours i am confident to give my opinion and review on it.
0:00 Intro
01:09 Some Lore
01:48 Neutral
04:00 Pros
06:34 Cons
08:54 P2W
15:12 Conclusion
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@MARMOTAPLAY825 6 ай бұрын

Omg FINALLY a cultured review we can trust. Thank you mista Wizard, i was waiting for your take on this korean video gama

@adtechs2888 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, indeed a nice review. It is P2W like Lost Ark, but he mentioned that this game is PvP focused. And if I understood it correctly, the PvP is not gear normalized, which means the p2w affects a f2p player in a more negative way in this game than in Lost Ark right?

@SlN- 6 ай бұрын

@@adtechs2888correct

@sharp201 6 ай бұрын

The reason why he said that it is not as bad as Lost Ark is due to no item lvl gating. You can access the entire content despite of your gear lvl unlike Lost Ark.

@MARMOTAPLAY825 6 ай бұрын

@@adtechs2888 While is true that P2W in a PvP focused game is definetly more threatening, it looks like the F2P player is able to get geared at a very reasonable time in this game, specially if we compare it to other P2W MMOs where F2P players get cucked eternally.

@adtechs2888 6 ай бұрын

@@MARMOTAPLAY825 The base gear can be bought or acquired easily, you are right. But upgrading it to max takes months for a casual player based on other p2w reviews. According to this and other videos, there is a penalty for dying which stacks. To get rid of it, you need to pay an in game currency which you can run out of easily as a casual player since that currency is also needed for various other activities. On top of the pvp zones and gvg, open world dungeons turn during specific in-game times into open pvp zones. So you either survive or avoid the dungeons until it is over.

@bossmanblaine 6 ай бұрын

"people are too mentally challenged" - the wizard LOL

@J0kuc 6 ай бұрын

Spot on. I wish you would have talked a bit more about the game mechanics cause there's some things I think are worth highlighting, but ye idk Kanon was high on copium when he said you couldn't swipe for upgrades.

@andrasbaliko 6 ай бұрын

most honest wizard out there ♥

@user-gg6ld9kq7i 6 ай бұрын

Thanks Divium Furor for your kind explanation. I wish everybody Happy New Year !!!!! Have a good time with the Throne and Liberty (awesome game)

@DamnedMachine 6 ай бұрын

The Great Finek himself! I am glad to see you are doing well! Happy New Year upfront!

@webbygaming1583 6 ай бұрын

Fantastic video and review, thanks! I love your honesty and no BS delivery. I am a fan! Looking forward to catching your streams 😎👍

@LosRabinos 6 ай бұрын

Thank You for Your honest and trustworthy review. Btw Kanon has ceased to be credible to me since I noticed that it praises everything that brings financial benefits to it.

@DurzoHighwind 6 ай бұрын

I can confirm the part about it being cock&balls torture and it feeling like misery if playing as two. I was the only other guy in the guild Divium Furor and it was misery.

@tadasblinda6232 6 ай бұрын

Ty for video, info. I still can't get info, what is end game here ? Or its just for 2-3 months , max 4-6 and nothing to do ?

@HexxuSz 6 ай бұрын

i am so confused why mmos do not monetize cosmetics instead of power. i bet they could make insane money just by selling cahracter and mount skins that do not effect in game power.

@johanax9867 6 ай бұрын

This is the main problem I have with korean mmo's. It's either extremely grindy, or it's extremely p2w. Why can't they just make a good game, from top to bottom?

@frstblt 6 ай бұрын

Most mmos have a short lifespan where they are really popular. Selling power/convenience is the easiest way to cash grab. Believe it or not, developing good cosmetics takes a lot more effort. People really underestimate the creative process where most of the time is spent.

@webbygaming1583 6 ай бұрын

The important thing to understand is that in Korea players LOVE pay-to-win. Pay to win is a ligitimate way to play in Korea. The western hatred of pay-to-win confuses most Korean players.

@HexxuSz 6 ай бұрын

that is a cap i have seen people dump ungodly amount of money for cosmetics in first person shooters and third person shooters let alone mmorpg@@zelaz4106

@Gamakatana 3 ай бұрын

It's amazing that Korean MMOs afficionados streamers always seem to downplay the severity of pay-to-win mechanics in every MMO they cover. It's like they're in cahoots with every Korean P2W MMO out there. They constantly try to brush off how bad it really is, making excuses left and right, but the truth is, they all suffer from the same predatory systems. And let's not kid ourselves, having a mansion, indulging in the finest cuisine, driving luxury cars, and accessing top-notch healthcare at a snap of your fingers is just convenience :) - it's a clear advantage. Sure, you can grind endlessly to attain these perks, but what's often overlooked is that these KZfaqrs typically compare the power and convenience gap between those who spend real money and those who don't, completely ignoring the fact that many paying players also put in the same amount of grind. It's high time they consider this aspect too. Glad we have our Wizard to debunk these "experts".

@NeDixTV 6 ай бұрын

the problem with ncsoft p2w... isnt if the game is p2w on release if not how much the game is p2w in 1,3.6.12 months, BnS got destroyed by the lootbox that included upgrade mats, 1-2 months after release.

@Jwalker1919 6 ай бұрын

good point

@dankmemes8254 6 ай бұрын

Wich sucks ass BnS could actually go toe with toe with WoW if they played thier cards right I am not calling it wow killer because blizzard is doing that just fine

@DerJuvens 6 ай бұрын

As per usual a great video! Hope you'll explode next year and hit 100k at least! :D

@nakofoefire 6 ай бұрын

Is there enough information to make it possible to place a $ price for a fully-geared PvP account? Is there a limit to the power?

@ereder1476 6 ай бұрын

I wonder if thoses youtuber are really that bad at mmo/video game to not see any work around that was created specifically so that whale can still p2w .. or if they are just shills Surely they have to be dogshit at the game to not see this right? SO if they are just barely competent: it has to be malicious/lie

@mmapedro321 6 ай бұрын

That’s why I love you brother. The realist content creator

@Gamakatana 3 ай бұрын

Why do Korean MMOs afficionados streamers always seem to downplay the severity of pay-to-win mechanics in every MMO they cover? It's like they're in cahoots with every Korean P2W MMO out there. They constantly try to brush off how bad it really is, making excuses left and right, but the truth is, they all suffer from the same predatory systems. And let's not kid ourselves, having a mansion, indulging in the finest cuisine, driving luxury cars, and accessing top-notch healthcare at a snap of your fingers is just convenience :) - it's a clear advantage. Sure, you can grind endlessly to attain these perks, but what's often overlooked is that these KZfaqrs typically compare the power and convenience gap between those who spend real money and those who don't, completely ignoring the fact that many paying players also put in the same amount of grind. It's high time they consider this aspect too. Keep it real, Wizard, and keep up the good work!

@schism5797 6 ай бұрын

So "the experts" are wrong yet again? oh noooo.... anyway thank you for the fun watch. Good luck in the next year!

@Gamakatana 3 ай бұрын

@1StevenPRO 5 ай бұрын

Hello, thanks for the information. I am very excited about arriving in Europe. It's something I didn't understand though. Will this game benefit from expansions? Or is that all? Thank you

@mikeblizniuk6582 6 ай бұрын

Long time no see. Hahahaha. Great 2024 start!

@warfighterarmy 6 ай бұрын

This guy is hilarious. Delivery is on point.

@Tory-JJ 6 ай бұрын

Happy new years Divium. :)

@KMF1203 6 ай бұрын

could you make a video about the lineage 2 easter eggs, references and elements in TL? nice review tho thank you

@skillo6399 6 ай бұрын

Divium, you mention that you need premium currency to buy things in the marketplace. Does that also mean that you need that currency to sell it? or i could possibly afford my market purchases by also selling mats?

@Askavii 6 ай бұрын

you can sell gear and other stuff on the marketplace for that premium currency

@jasonkwilliamson 6 ай бұрын

To eb fair this game looks incredible but the Pay 2 win model absolutely kills it. Such a shame

@adtechs2888 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the review. I am worried about the part that this game is PvP focused and Lost Ark isn't. So the whales have a way to worsen your game experience, and you really can't avoid it.

@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 6 ай бұрын

This & no other upcoming MMO is going to be as fair or high value as New World. Maybe 8 to 10 years from now we will see something announced that will compete.

@JathraDH 6 ай бұрын

That is every modern KR MMO in existence. If you don't want that go JP/Western, it is the only way.

@adtechs2888 6 ай бұрын

@@JathraDH Was just comparing it to lost ark since it was mentioned in the video. Lost Ark is p2w too but has no PvP focus. If a p2w mmo is Pvp focus or not matters a lot for the in-game experience of an average f2p player. Especially in case of tl.

@JathraDH 6 ай бұрын

@@adtechs2888 I cant believe you are trying to defend Lost Ark but ok lol.

@deano93517 6 ай бұрын

@@bestyoutubernonegraternumber1 ashes of creation is probably one of the biggest upcoming MMORPG and its no where near p2w, you can only buy costumes which does not effect gameplay in anyway. They monetize the game with monthly subs. Owner of AOC would rather die than turn his game p2w.

@undeadno2 6 ай бұрын

I've been playing since day one with being in number one guild. I can confirm that what he said are very true and real and also needed fix otherwise, it will be dead on arrival.

@Oneuproad0001 6 ай бұрын

I hardly doubt they will change the monetization. Will still go if guild goes though because of the guild centric nature of the game.

@blubblubwhat Ай бұрын

But how those linage I and linage || more players then lineage 3??

@Bledoston 6 ай бұрын

OMG WIZARD GREAT REVIEW!

@rustyshield 6 ай бұрын

....is there a party finder?

@noeltage 6 ай бұрын

What did i just watched ? A man in a hat + Korean game in background. What a beard. What a review.

@Joeyfield0 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for the review, I think I will not try this game. I end up playing most games as single player, I am not a whale, and i don't like cactus in me as lost ark has left a bitter taste in my mouth.

@JuraDenus 6 ай бұрын

Yoo #XenoArmy here our boy Xeno react to you! Nice video

@StrikeQuickly 6 ай бұрын

solid es per usual

@RavenARPG 6 ай бұрын

"It's like injecting cactus into your ass" The sheer eloquence of thy sentence hath rendered all other utterances mere jesters in the grand comedy of language - a masterpiece.

@in2it85 6 ай бұрын

*Played many KOREAN MMORPGs through the years and even tried Throne of Liberty, I can honestly say:* *If you want to be Competitive or even Keep-Up, you need to play it like a 2nd Job or Pay(preferably both).* *The sad reality is that the Rich and Powerful get more rewards and faster progress than F2P or Low-spenders.* *Korean games are not designed to be fair, they are designed to make you want to spend more and more money.*

@Grynfelt 6 ай бұрын

It's interesting that they force you to play with people, it is a good thing, a lot of older MMOs had this approach where soloing stuff was only possible with peak gear and as a new player was impossible and this kind of thing was the most memorable, people were too used to solo play nowadays, especially those that didn't have IRL friends to play with but I doubt this would work that well globally, we'll have to see.

@m0o0ntecrist08 6 ай бұрын

ANOTHER kabouch has droped

@Darkstein333 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the video! Good job and happy new year! (Ill probably skip Throne and Liberty as of now)

@marcuslucian763 6 ай бұрын

Thank you

@NightwingsBeyond 6 ай бұрын

I wanted to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude for the fantastic review you made about the game. Your insights and positive feedback truly warmed my heart, and I couldn't be more thankful for your thoughtful words. It's evident that you not only have a keen understanding of the game but also a passion for gaming that resonates in your review. Your review has undoubtedly sparked excitement and anticipation in me, and I am genuinely looking forward to diving into T&L alongside someone who appreciates it as much as you do. 😎👍

@SXcite 6 ай бұрын

i ll get my anser on should i play nice

@pacman_pol_pl_polska 4 күн бұрын

Big tanks for the video

@darkrayaccel 6 ай бұрын

no melee dps? every1 just spamming bow/crossbow =s

@ruuusaki 6 ай бұрын

melee is garbo in this game lmao

@darkrayaccel 6 ай бұрын

easiest skip of my life then@@ruuusaki

@egomuffin7119 6 ай бұрын

Gs/dagger can cc chain to death in pvp, pretty good

@Cookieforya 4 ай бұрын

imagine what will happen when they release legendary gear, the amount of time it will take for f2p andies

@JonnyThunder7428 6 ай бұрын

no boobslider and humans as only playable race. -> not going to play it.

@deleth 6 ай бұрын

I would say this is more like lineage4 than 3 since the previous almost lineage3 was Tera, but ok... I dont like the combat system, and have many little things that i HATE(some of them maybe are pin related), but overall the game is pretty cool maybe coz its been a while i didin't played a mmo that really felt as a mmorpg.

@Angelelol 6 ай бұрын

Happy New Year Wizard!!! Thank you again for another banger video. Great insight on T&L, not liking the P2W at all tbh.

@salach4223 6 ай бұрын

ahahahahah you are crazy :D you make my day

@sasasale1157 6 ай бұрын

How the trailer looks nice and then in game, you can never find this kind of atmosphere, everything looks worse graphics-wise, the landscape is sooooo monotonous, and the absence of the holy trinity system and not having a dodge just killed the combat for me. Here is hoping for Chrono Odyssey

@egomuffin7119 6 ай бұрын

There is a holy trinity system. U need 1 tank 1 healer and 4 dps for any endgame dungeon

@PsycholicalGAINS 6 ай бұрын

looks like ill be sticking with gw2

@Dark74111 6 ай бұрын

theres is no kill 200 monster daily

@nor3a74 6 ай бұрын

Thx wizard

@flyingorbit 6 ай бұрын

I like "10-16 hours grind daily" like it's a normal criteria 🤣 That's a no kthxbye

@kyoden1928 6 ай бұрын

play wow instead, u max lvl then raid 2hrs a week and logoff until next week ho ho ha ha fun!

@viewbens 5 ай бұрын

Wizard the wise

@Ry-tr4xy Ай бұрын

I like the way you talk

@mrrootsas 6 ай бұрын

Nice one again 😂

@GoodTimesAhoy 6 ай бұрын

It's actually so sad that this is what the awaited L2 successor turned out to be. 15 years (announced in 2009) wait for NCsoft to rework the game 5 times and still come out full P2W with lesser combat than L2 in my opinion. It's not even that NCsoft isn't liked in Korea, no one likes NCsoft anywhere on the planet because they take amazing games and turn them into FOMO P2W trash. I think I played almost every MMO that came out since 2001 and the genre as a whole is degrading instead of improving. This game's content is looking very good, but the problem is that the game feels lifeless, maybe it's because it's only in Korea atm but it doesn't feel like a full MMO experience. Anyway great video as always wizard.

@r6guy 6 ай бұрын

The good news is the new legislation in China might make them take out the p2w for future games.

@dankmemes8254 6 ай бұрын

They had a gem of game called blade and soul and thier greed killed+ the stupid toxic community

@joelhodoborgas 6 ай бұрын

Honestly happy this isnt a coomer MMO, i have plenty of that IRL and i dont need pixels to amuse my self sexually.

@harambae117 3 ай бұрын

No coomer very sad. I hope the game does well :^)

@MaIIga 6 ай бұрын

Purple marind cost 432k in npc xd

@galgamesful 6 ай бұрын

Hello!wizard!thank you for the video, I think this is really good.. but i hope maybe you can consider like adding the russia wizard to your channel name or other thing.. sometime when i saw on your name i really dont rememeber its your channel..and end up skipping it.. I was really excited when i click a ramdom video and found out it was you.. i wonder if there is more people forgot your name and only remember you as the russian wizard..

@blubblubwhat Ай бұрын

No need for fancy its perfect like this.

@MechEagle 6 ай бұрын

People who play Ncsoft game before, know that when the game have transformation system... That mean you gona need spend thousand every years from every event to have all of them. To be able unlock passive stats collection and better character gameplay... Basically a whale paradise!

@dmsephiroth 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the clear review. I will avoid the game then^^ totally nonsense! I would be up for a game where i can grind a LOT and could be even then with shop-buyers but not this nonsense.

@SXcite 6 ай бұрын

i want lineage 2 back i also want to be 15yo again xD

@kingdomVI 6 ай бұрын

You no pay, you no win 😅

@marledanimefan7186 3 ай бұрын

it iss whot it iss

@DanielRodriguez-ru5uk 2 ай бұрын

Grindfest and dailies=PASS

@TheAsmodianleader 6 ай бұрын

So its P2W garbanzo

@user-mv7in3zo2n 6 ай бұрын

wizaaaaarf

@Sheep101 6 ай бұрын

No coomer :(

@thedaeron3877 6 ай бұрын

That's why i will only play as a Free to play... level up... waste a bit of times and thats it... i will never be @$#% up in the @$$ like lost ark

@MattTrax119 6 ай бұрын

yea you are no longer caped with gold but you are still capped with upgrade mats... that are not that easy to come by. also lets not even get into the skill books and upgrading those because that's the thing that give you the most DMG Healing CC etc... gear does not give you nearly as much power as upgrading your skills does.... You should also do a bit more research next time :) But not a bad video you did your best...

@diviumfuror 6 ай бұрын

U can buy upgrade mats xD did u even watch the whole video kek xD

@MattTrax119 6 ай бұрын

@@diviumfuror Did you even read the whole comment ? Also: 1 you bought the growth stone for accessories not for gear, 2. you never showed that someone is able to buy growth stone for Gear or weapons. 3. you never showed the conversion rate of growth stones form Rare to Epic and if it's even possible to convert them. All and all your coverage of P2W is very shabby and lacklustre, if you want to prove a point about the game being P2W than go and do it correctly now half-assed, But again if you are happy with the video that you produced and with the misinformation that you provided who am I to say otherwise....

@Oneuproad0001 6 ай бұрын

It is possible to convert. You can literally buy an epic gem, break it down to green tier and craft back up into epic growthstones. This process needs sollant. But guess what, 1 epic marind is 400k+ sollant for 150 lucent. You can do the conversion for armor and weapon also. Break down till blue will give - 2 growthstones instead of 1. Till green - 8 instead of 1. Till white - 20 instead of 1. Or you can just buy white gems and craft them up until purple. This is more lucent heavy though.

@Gamakatana 3 ай бұрын

It's amazing that Korean MMOs afficionados always seem to downplay the severity of pay-to-win mechanics in every MMO they cover. It's like they're in cahoots with every Korean P2W MMO out there. They constantly try to brush off how bad it really is, making excuses left and right, but the truth is, they all suffer from the same predatory systems. And let's not kid ourselves, having a mansion, indulging in the finest cuisine, driving luxury cars, and accessing top-notch healthcare at a snap of your fingers is just convenience :) - it's a clear advantage. Sure, you can grind endlessly to attain these perks, but what's often overlooked is that these KZfaqrs typically compare the power and convenience gap between those who spend real money and those who don't, completely ignoring the fact that many paying players also put in the same amount of grind. It's high time they consider this aspect too. Glad we have our Wizard to debunk these "experts".

@olololo4807 6 ай бұрын

10h ~ 16h daily play for bis doesn't sound really appealing.

@SpikyRoss 6 ай бұрын

We cannot escape the p2w curse, it's over, but is it better than having a gambling fiesta?

@gadsanchez4929 6 ай бұрын

So its PW2 but not as nasty as Lost Ark

@failchon 6 ай бұрын

Well, start T&L now and you can get BIS gear in 600 hours or pay like 300$ and have bis gear in 5 minutes. I would say it's same as Lost Ark.

@egomuffin7119 6 ай бұрын

@@failchon 300$ won't even max you 1 piace of your gear if you don't grind.

@failchon 6 ай бұрын

@@egomuffin7119 sorry then you gotta pay more

@Gamakatana 3 ай бұрын

@ViniciusGso 6 ай бұрын

I like mmos that allow for you to play solo or as a duo and interact with other players when needed but the fact that the levelling experience is miserable if you are not in a party with 6 players shows that this game is not for me which is a shame because the graphics and animations are so nice...

@egomuffin7119 6 ай бұрын

MassiveMultiplayerOnline and solo play are 2 different things, you are a bit confused

@ViniciusGso 6 ай бұрын

@egomuffin7119 you can play mmos and party up with other 3 players to do content. Here you need at least 5 people in a party to have a good leveling experience.

@Metallian2112 6 ай бұрын

Hi Asmon

@paulmasters8666 6 ай бұрын

Yeah fuck this game...

@maximstepan 6 ай бұрын

i agree with almost everything. I played solo to lvl 50 and it was quite fast, not easy, but not hard either - ofc i played dps weapons

@maximstepan 6 ай бұрын

also if u buy things from auction house for sollent u have to spent ten thousands of dollars to make at least 10 mil solent :D

@sasasale1157 6 ай бұрын

look at this boss mechanic at 9:20. UTTER BS!!! No dodge, safe spot, they all run out of the red circle and wait, so ez, so uneventful, so boring. These dungeon mechanics are too ez, and 90% of your game is kill this many mobs, etc. etc. etc.

@nixeverything 6 ай бұрын

gonna pass on this one

@DanielRodriguez-ru5uk 2 ай бұрын

My man, I may have not believed you back in the day with lost ark until I saw it myself but now Im taking your advice and staying away from this sht until I have proof they remove p2w

@AngelicStreak 6 ай бұрын

Why are you assessing P2W elements on a KOREAN version? Makes no sense, because Koreans are known for LOVING and WANTING p2w. Global releases are going to be much less P2W.

@snaykuh5589 6 ай бұрын

i will watch this with a grain of salt as it should be done with any content emanating from a Lost Ark enthusiast EDIT : This was a good review, thank you for the insight

@tonig8082 2 ай бұрын

Need for PS5 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

@joelhodoborgas 6 ай бұрын

You need grouping for dailies? lmao pass, i understand this is an mmo but requiring people to do everyday activities is just too much.

@iandelapaz846 6 ай бұрын

well, life is pay to win. Its not that bad tbh. The items in the market are posted by the players.

@neugassh3570 6 ай бұрын

There are no pros

@justinasbar Күн бұрын

It is just another asian mmo with cluttered UI, endless boring quests, multiple currencies, complicated crafting, boring grinding and p2w ofc. I dont think any asian mmo is worth wasting time. I guess most players are just driven by sentimental memories of playing good old mmos.