I hope this works for me. I have a very natural swing as well and I only recently was given this tip by two very good players I shot a round with. Your comment got me even more excited!

I have said that many times, "It's not about me proving, it's about you IMPROVING." I can hit a ball but if you can't do it, who cares.

I don't have any man! The police checked. No one but me here.

I'm pretty sure G. will agree that this could be a nice way to thank him: www.paypal.com/donate/?hosted_button_id=D9KLSZE47S8AY :D

@@AlessandroRorato Donations are always welcome. Thanks for helping! I'm not making much off KZfaq suddenly since golf season is gone for a large part of the world. So, donations are greatly appreciated.

BTW you're probably the 100th person now to say that to me. I've got people who were 4 index now shooting under par and people who've never broken 80 shooting 75! One guy who was a 1 index shot 4 under!

@@AlessandroRorato I did yesterday

@@AlessandroRorato just did. Thanks!

No Oscar? How 'bout an EMMY? It's not easy filming alone. I think I shot this before I learned to use a second phone as a monitor. I'm glad you found it helpful. I'm sure there are several more of my vids that you'll find quite interesting. One more thing, after you've shot your lowest round ever come back here and tell us about it. Thanks.

Hogan also hooked the ball like crazy. For someone that slices that advice would be horrible

@@kourt2469 Wrong.

There's more to it that I didn't talk about here. The right thumb might be the more important part of the golf swing. When used improperly... it hinders the swing tremendously but when used properly, which is almost not at all, everything work right. The key is knowing what that "proper use" is.

I think it's a lot easier to just swing the golf club with a thumbless, baseball style grip to feel how it works.

I thought I was the only one. Blister on right thumb

I don't think so. The reason is ... how much bow? If you over-do it that ball's going left if you under-do it, it's going right. Do you know anyone who can swing at full speed and perfectly angle their wrist the same amount every time? I don't. These guys apparently can but they literally practice every day. I prefer to let the club dictate to me what to do rather than the other way around. Have you ever noticed that when you're swinging really well it doesn't matter how you address the ball, closed or open, it still flies straight? It's because you're allowing the club to tell you what it wants to do instead of you telling it what you want it to do. The club is engineered to hit the ball, humans are not. I trust the club.

There is nothing wrong with a 10 finger baseball grip. You do have more control of the club, which you may or may not want. There are 3 basic grips but most people will only tell you about the two you mentioned. There are players on the pga tour that use a 10 finger grip. I had a friend years ago that said, "I can kill it if I use a baseball grip." So, I said, "Then why aren't you using it?"

I now use a 10 finger grip and it has helped me a lot.

There is no "right way" to grip the club. Some overlap, some interlock, some 10 finger, Jim furyk literally does 8 finger which is super weird. Some are very weak, some are very strong. They all can play great golf.

I play an oversized grip as well. I'm tempted to try the Jumbomax grips. Years ago, I wrapped my driver with a mouse pad and some hose tape so it was pretty big. As I remember I really liked it.

Yeah, I'll have to do a bunker lesson one of these days. Is there a secret to bunker play? You bet there is! Maybe that's a lesson for the upcoming website ...

No. That's a 10 finger grip generally and how we naturally swing any stick or bat. There are pros that use that grip.

I coulda done better with the framing but the info is there.

Neither thumb should be applying pressure to club on the downswing.

@@HolyGrailOfGolf yeah, but in the video it's clear that 's real pressure actioned with the left thumb straigth on the club

Every one promotes L to L swing but you can't do it very well with the left thumb on the grip but when you drop it off it's easy and if we only need the last three fingers of our left hand on the grip why do we need the long left thumb ,why not just drop it off to the side???

Oh yeah, absolutely. If you watch Thomas Detry, one of the best upcoming Euro players his thumb is completely off the club ... like you're saying.

Well, I've spoken with several people who asked about fixing a fat shot. They were trying to fix it by picking the ball off the turf. Not a good idea. Like I said, a fat shot is a good swing but you just didn't catch the ball first. Fat shots are caused by the ball being in the wrong position or trying to help the ball into the air. We all know you can't actually hit the underside of the ball so hopefully no one is doing that. A lot of golf magazines and videos will tell you to have the ball forward in your stance ... why? So you can pick it with a thin flicky swat? What you should do is let your swing tell you where the ball should be. Swing naturally with no ball, take a bit of a divot and see if you can hit the same spot over and over and where it starts and that's where your ball should be. Changing the low point of the driver ... I think that might be a good topic for a video. The thing with the driver is that we want to hit it on the upswing but that's in relation to the ground and not so much the player. The player still feels as if he's swinging the club downward or level. When people try to make the club strike the ball on the upstroke they often collapse the lead arm and cause the ball to go left. Definitely a good topic for a video. Mostly we just don't want to strike downward with the driver.

Yes, and that's a common belief which is why people push the clubhead down toward the ball. The reality is that the engineering of the club will do all that for you and do it perfectly every time, if you let it. In order to learn these things you have to prove yourself wrong and try to do what think won't work, only to discover that it does.

If it's used incorrectly it controls the entire swing and essentially destroys it. People instinctually want to use their thumb because it's strong and they align it with the direction they way to move the club but that's not actually the direction the club needs to move so they have a very hard time improving simply because of the thumb. I didn't talk about it here, but the right thumb is incredibly important when used properly.

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks for your thoughts. I am very right handed and this analysis seems spot on.

Not yet. I'll have to add that to the list. Thanks for the idea.

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@@HolyGrailOfGolf Who, me?

@@lestergreen1190 Goo fo you!

Yes, when you get the hands nice and low you're forced to stay in the right side-bend/crunch. Do you have a video of your swing you can send me? Your ball should fly pretty straight if you're doing it right. OverhandGolf@usa.com

@@HolyGrailOfGolf I don’t have an updated upclose one right now. My friend just sent one they took I can send over for now. Thanks

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Yes, we do want to use the parts of our hands that are the smartest and fastest but most people tend to over use the thumbs. Removing them from the grip can not only speed up the club but also allow it to do what it wants to do rather than us trying to over-control it.

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Agree. I think the key is "swing", don't lever. "Let" another key or as you say "allow".

I'm unclear. Why would you want the club in front of you? I advocate keeping it to the right side of the body.

Yes, but not intentionally. To do it properly you have to let it happen not make it happen. You can't stop it if you tried so, really there's not need to try to make it happen. Most people ulnar deviate much too early and then all the natural speed is lost.

That makes more sense why the pump drill works with this. It's interesting because for the lingest time I thoyght the forearms rolled mainly(pronation/supination) then I got on the idea of extension/flexion mainly and now I see it's very different and depends on the person. I do believe now that max speed=radial/ulnar but the other options have their place in shot making.

@@jacobr4558 Absolutely! That's what makes golf such a great game. No one swing will ever work for every situation.

Lag. The farther forward the handle is compared to the clubhead/ball, the closer your hands need to be the ground. If you can barely reach the ball you have to flip the clubhead at it just to reach it and in so doing many people hit the ball fat or thin and clanky. It may sound scary or difficult but it's actually easier to strike the ball when you're too close rather than too far away from it. When you're too close you must make a compensation to shorten the club which we call lag, and it happens naturally, and there's no desire to flip the clubhead toward the ball because you know it'll get to the ball. With a little practice you'll get it pretty quickly and you'll notice a more compressed ball and penetrating flight.

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks.

As I remember Hogan changed his stance open or closed depending on the club. This also changed the position of the ball. So, yes I think the ball position does change depending on the club. The longer the club the more forward the ball can be because you're not bent over as much. Basically, the flatter the swing the more forward the ball.

I'm unclear about what "that" is. Is that using the thumb or not using the thumb?

The thumb on top would wear grip on the top. I even see many have the thumb in the strong side press up on the back side . I am also asking what causes a person heel of the left hand on the grip at the butt end on top , wearing the grip down to the shaft ?

@@chuckross8839 That's what I thought you were asking but I've never seen that. Maybe if the grip hasn't been changed in years but other than that I'd have to imagine it would be over-manipulating the club with the right hand that would cause a lot of friction against the upper left heel pad. That's got to be it ... mechanically.

I've been exposed! Actually, no on both. My name is Greg and I'm from California, born and raised. I gotta get outta this state!

@@HolyGrailOfGolf Thanks for getting back to me on that...Keep up the good work!

A while ago.

I watched McGuire hit a drive at the ATT Pro Am many years ago. He absolutely crushed it. Even the pros in his group were impressed at how long his drives were going.

My wrist is pretty neutral either way.

By “letting the club go” I mean the release. My right forearm stays locked and there’s no right arm extension on follow through. I wonder if this tip would help me?

You are correct, you are skilled if you can hit a ball well with the right thumb on the shaft. It'll feel really weird to you at first to move that thumb but if you can get used to it, you'll be hitting the ball farther with less effort.

Well, some people simply don't know. I played with a kid who was very athletic but had a huge slice ... I told him about the thumb and he said it felt too weird but he'd work on it. The next time I saw him he was killing the ball nice and straight. He'd made the change and was very happy.

Nope. I had you in mind when I made this. I know you asked me to go into more detail but I thought this was pretty good for now.

I’ve been guilty too!

@@HolyGrailOfGolf absolutely! There are so many minute details that can compound and create larger issues.

I agree. I use a long left thumb for that very reason.

Was Fonzie good at anything?

The key there is "strong grip." If your grip is strong enough you can use that right thumb but for most golfers with a normal or neutral grip that right thumb is a guaranteed slice. You're right, not everything works for everyone. The key in golf is that two "wrongs" can make a "right."

It's not really, it's just that everyone thinks they are. Anything that isn't obvious, people think is secret. Plus people click on the word "secret."