Throwing up a Hoarfrost barricade and glacier nade back-to-back and having only one of them generate shards when you slide through feels terrible

you forgot to mention about the cooldown on spawning stasis shards, which makes stasis Titan feel even worse than before.

To me, what Stasis need is a bit of the Light subclasses treatment: New Supers and new abilities (a new melee for every class would be great) that can fill the holes the subclass has. We've had Stasis for 4 years now, it's time we improve upon it with new toys, not just buffs :D

I wish I didn't have to spend an aspect in order to get frost armor, there is a fragment to get woven mail on strand so there should be one similar to it on stasis

Behemoth died for Shatter Dive's sins and Bungie refuses to allow Titans to have anything useful for Raids. The nerf to Stasis Crystals was the end of me using Stasis as a Titan player.

Stasis was originally the crown control subclass. But in the current game, there is just no place for CC in the majority of content. The best solution to deal with every enemy is just kill it faster. There's no need to slow and freeze large groups of red / orange bars when we are as powerful as we are. Stasis can still shine in activities like legend onslaught where there is a genuine need for CC due to the large number of majors that can spawn, but even then the solution is often just more damage more gooder. Even in GMs, stasis has fallen out of favor because of the sheer damage potential of the light subclasses

Alot of people have neglected to mention that, while getting healing and frost armor from an aspect is a great idea, that also really pushes you towards that aspect quite alot and doesn't really improve stasis build diversity very much sadly. One of the key examples being stasis warlock's glacial harvest. If you wanna build into the crowd control loop and lock down support, you are better off not running glacial harvest as ice flare, bleak watcher is great at freezing. By doing so you just basically dump frost armor, your main survival tool off the kit. The really would've been alot better at promoting playstyle changes if more aspects were buffed and frost armor and healing were baked into the subclasses sorta like perching threadlings. Alot of stasis diversity is also destroyed by aspects doing nothing for most of gameplay like frostpulse. But that is a whole other can of issues with the broader game. EDIT: Typo.

Stasis feels so incredibly mid in the current sandbox. It's not bad, nor is it good. It's just "normal" and being normal in a world where Prismatic, Solar, and Void exists causes it to be ignored.

My main issue with stasis has moreso been that compared to every other subclass, you have to build way harder into stasis to make it worth using.

I think the problem is that we have to use a spesfic aspect on stasis to get the full benefits of the subclasses This makes everyond run similar builds

Behemoth is, somehow, worse with the new harvest cooldown

I still feel the fact we have to use an aspect for shards hugely limiting. I'd also like to see rime and conduction rolled into one with maybe a stat penalty instead of a buff.

One aspect I don’t see a lot of people mention is what each subclass brings to a team. Solar brings lots of healing and damage buffs, void weakens enemies, and strand has sever and woven mail. All of these keywords bring a lot to the table when in a team scenario. Stasis really has nothing of the sort. Maybe a renewal duskfeild but a titan throwing a tangle on top of the team will grant them a higher dr percentage. I would even argue that many times stasis can be detrimental to a team as staisis crystals can block shots or block enemies you may need to stun. Even if stasis did have the best add clear, cc, and survivability in the game, which quite frankly I don’t think it does any of those jobs the best, I still don’t think it would be used. Plenty of other classes have way better survivability, other classes add clear much better, other classes do cc better, and other classes do boss damage better. Stasis really needs something that it can bring to a team. My best suggestion would be “shattering or breaking a encased target would increase the amount of damage that target takes from non stasis ability damage.” I think bungie doesn’t want to make stasis a damage powerhouse, but if it could help other classes increase their damage in some way that would give stasis a use case in a team setting

I think my problem with stasis dates back all the way back to the armor mod changes. My builds stopped working as I wanted them to, and now requires a lot more setup and execution skill than before, along with mods that don’t exist anymore. I used to run the horfost-z exotic with the slide melee aspect, and glacial grenade. They used to give me the ability to chain these together infinitely without the presents of ads. Which in hindsight was broken, but it was fun. Now it’s a lot harder to keep at least 1 ability up at any given time. That also broke my stasis hunter melee build for the same reason, the mods I used and crafted specifically for that build were removed. Stasis had felt weak ever since.

Shadebinder has been my main for a while, and I gotta be honest, I don’t feel that incentivised to lean into frost armour. You’ll need to commit an aspect to make the keyword worthwhile (unless you consider getting in melee range every 9 seconds on one of the squishiest subclasses in the game to be a viable strategy), and the swiss cheese-flavoured bandaid it slaps on the subclass’ survivability just feels substantially worse than using that subclass real estate to lean into your strengths and outsourcing your survivability to elsewhere. Bungie may not like it, but the hole they’ve dug themselves into means that a subclass either needs reliable healing to stay an enticing option. I’m at least glad that I still feel some incentive to play full stasis tho. A lot of people will probably be on the ‘bleak watcher and devour’ train and it’s probably objectively stronger, but my full stasis osmio build just feels so damn good compared to just bleak watcher without the rest of the stasis kit.

It just feels like Prismatic mostly does what Stasis does, but better. Like, it's not awful, and you can make some builds work, but you basically only have 1 good build per class that you want to run on Stasis to be good (Bleakwatcher, Renewal, and Titan crystal spam). But even the Bleakwatcher and Renewal builds are better on Prismatic since we get Bleak on Warlock and Duskfields on Hunter PLUS the fact you get Spirit of Renewal and Spirit of Osmio on the class items.

Id like if frost armor was like a health buffer, at 5 stacks half your health is protected by a 30% DR shield that for every 10% lost would release stasis shards in retaliation like how taken hobgoblins do, maybe with a fragment that causes them to slow enemies to give a more automated area locking options to hunter and titan

If I may be completely honest, Stasis on Hunters is really fun, especially with their ability to create stasis shards on slow/frozen kills while also having Renewal Grasps that gives Frost Armor whenever they and their allies are in their Duskfield. The build I run uses the new Bold Endings hand cannon with Headstone + Dragonfly, the Buried Bloodline exotic rocket side arm (with the catalyst) while I also use the Doomed Petitioner linear fusion rifle while also playing into the artifact mod where Void Damage is increased on weakened foes (fyi, Buried Bloodline's catalyst can allow you to weaken foes whenever you have devour up) My Aspects and Fragments are as followed: Aspects - Grim Harvest and Touch of Winter Fragments - Whisper of Fissures, Whisper of Rending, Whisper of Shards, Whisper of Conduction, and Whisper of Rime.

As a mentally insane behemoth main since I first unlocked it in beyond light, the changes for titan really don't feel much different. My gameplay loop of glacier grenade and hoarfrost barricade is the same but kinda worse due to the whisper of chains rework. The cooldown of tectonic harvest is the real killer for any of it to be amazing (granted it is probably required for things like pvp). However it is still playable if you know what you are doing. For warlock and hunter however the changes are really nice, with no cooldowns on their stasis shard generation they can have almost permanent free damage resist as long as there are enemies nearby. Osmiomancy warlock or Renewal grasps hunter feel amazing and stasis hunter finally feels like it has some form of identity in high end pve content (at least to me). All in all I the stasis buffs are fine, hunter and warlock feel really good and I am still stuck on titan due to stockholm syndrome but hey, a buff is a buff. (just please remove/reduce the cooldown for tectonic harvest in pve please and thank you bungie)

Having more unique exotics I think would help the subclass too. Don’t get me wrong, I like osmiomancy but I feel like that is the ONLY exotic worth using on stasis warlock. Some examples of new exotic ideas include: Stasis titan: -an exotic that lets you consume your grenade to spawn one massive stasis crystal that constantly freezes and auto shatters nearby frozen combatants while it is up -an exotic that auto shatters all created stasis crystals after a short delay with a bigger radius and damage -an exotic that, while you have frost armor, gives you an aura that gives stacks of frost armor to nearby allies Stasis hunter -an exotic that gives silence and squall a second squall -an exotic that turns your melee into three stacks of slowing makibishi spikes (playing into the ninja feel of the subclass) you can place on the ground that will damage and apply slow stacks to combatants who walk over it (could also just be a new melee ability) Stasis warlock: -an exotic that gives your stasis turret a rounds more velocity and freeze stacks and allows you to pick up and replace the turret -an exotic that as you kill frozen combatants, build an aura around you that slows nearby targets, when at full aura, taking melee damage/at near death will release a blast that freezes nearby combatants Idk how balanced these would be in pvp, but I think these would at least add some variety to the subclass

I've been loving the changes so far! Imo it needs a little help in the survivability department out of the box but there's a bunch of ways to do that with weapons and exotic armor

Behemoth main here, (rare i know). Double the frost armor stack limit with rime, instead of the current +3?(not sure, it always stays on), but add a small slow per every stack over the base, a bit like icefall mantle, but without the flight restriction. It would give stasis some very much needed personality to the classes, would passively buff Cryoclasm for titan making it more useful by difference. Since i find this to be quite titan specific, maybe i would put it in the harvest aspect instead, but i think warlocks could also lean into this slow fantasy as a slow but unstoppable force.

I was worried about the harvest aspects giving the same heal as pre-reworked whisper of rime. Was sad to see my worry be true. I do like with the Hunter that I don't necessarily need the harvest aspect in order to get a good amount of frost armor if running with renewal grasp. Ik Warlocks have ballidorse to also give frost armor but osmiomancy is preferred so much more. Surprised the Titan's icefall mantle or some exotic to give them frost armor as well. While there is a fragment that can give frost armor, it's no where near as reliable as just picking up an orb like you can with prismatic. Stasis has gotten improved, but there's still more room for improvement. Speaking from mostly a Hunter perspective here tho. Haven't played around a ton with the stasis builds on both my Warlock and Titan(too busy having fun with rocket chest piece)

I used the standard Titan frost armor build with cryosthesia and a glaive to freeze and punch to stack frost armor. And it was a lot of fun! But past legend I don’t think it’ll hold up too well 😢

I was saying this before final shape dropped when we saw the stasis changes, while a more consistent upkeep on dr is nice requiring multiple fragments and a aspect compared to a previous singular fragment hardly feels like a buff to one of the least used subclasses in the game. Not saying its necessarily a nerf but it definitely isnt significant enough to fix the subclass

I think if the Harvest aspects also started health regen when picking up a Large Shard or rapidly picking up small Shards, that would do wonders to improve the gameplay loop of the subclasses. When I’m using Renewal Grasp on Hunter, I can definitely feel the added DR, but it doesn’t matter if I can tank more if I still just die after a few seconds of incoming fire on even expert-level activities.

I wish that frost armor granted a damage buff of like 15% for the duration that frost armor lasts with Whisper of Rime, and I wish the shards granted healing based on health percentages. Like say you’re below 30% health, make the shard grant 30% health per shard. When above 50%, make it grant 15% health per shard. I think that could really help it out, without changing the cooldowns on the stasis shard generation. I would like to add Shadebinder should get 5 fragment slots as well. And I really would like to add, hunters need tick damage on the duskfield in PvE. It’s a freezing, atrophying dome with debris.. let that thing tick for a decent amount. A lot of stasis’s damage is backloaded. Make it hit harder on the front end. Stasis needs to be able to generate shards without a harvest aspect. Whisper of chill is cool but it shouldn’t require frost armor to make shards to get frost armor. Frost armor is cool but shouldn’t require a harvest aspect. Frost armor should also be equivalent to Woven Mail and the healing the stasis equivalent to Devour at least. Also Whisper of conduction needs to be intrinsic to the class. I don’t like needing it to buff survival.

For me personally Behemoth would be the perfect subclass if Cryoclasm wasn’t bugged to the point of being non-functional a lot of the time. Cryoclasm + Diamond Lance with the Lance Cap is actually amazing in high end content and really fun, but with Cryoclasm’s unintended nerfs it feels extremely clunky and inconsistent.

I think something that is being glossed over are the touch of winter changes. Glacier grenade feels very potent with the larger radius and extra crystal. Coldsnaps, though, are in a whole new league then they were before. The bonus crystals make them huge aoe dumpers, especially with the fact that they duplicate with each chain allowing you to lock down a room similar to osmiomancies. Duskfields still feel lackluster without though.

I feel like that frost armor should have more benefits, maybe gain damage reflection to projectile damage instead of regular damage reduction

How much health does picking up shards grant?

100% agree. Frost armor just feels like a worse version of woven mail. Why should I take the time to build up x5 stacks of frost armor when woven mail gives me double the benefit for simply picking up an orb. Ignitions are still just better shatters. I haven’t touched stasis besides shatter skating

I've had a lot of fun with Stasis Titan... the issue is the cooldown on shards. Yes, you can keep Frost Armor up pretty much all the time even with the shards, but the healing on them in pitiful and not having the healing when you need it because of the cooldown is rough. It's also made Hoarfrost a LOT worse as you lose the DR near crystals. Otherwise, the changes have been great, especially to Diamond Lance. Stasis still lacks build variety, but I'll take it over Arc Titan anyday.

i miss my stasis overshield :( my build used to be centered around generating tons of them and collecting them all at once, now i can barely make one and gotta do so much more to get the rest of the fragments

It’s worth mentioning they only doubled shatter damage when shattering frozen targets, not crystals. However, I find the buff to shatter damage, alongside the pve buff to diamond lance and getting shards from shattering enemies from tectonic harvest, to be a HUGE boon for stasis titans who desperately needed it

now that prismatic exists with its own transcendence super bar, i feel other subclasses could benefit from a similar function. however rather than prismatics two bars only the one bar. casting it on stasis should grant you stasis armor as well as slowing and freezing enemies within 3 meters of you. all subclasses could benefit from such a function and is a shame it doesn't exist.

As someone who hasn't played D2 since Witch Queen, what is that stasis pulse rifle from the opening? It looks cool

I played the legendary campaign on Stasis Titan since their prismatic kit is ass until you get consecration (which is after the campaign!) and it felt great! Frost Armor kept me alive.Shatter was great for add clear. I only struggled on tormentors.

I feel like a big key word difference that is needed is to change Slow to Chill. Chill can serve as something like healing, dusk nades would be like a healing nade providing regeneration while also applying frost armor. I remember when stasis launched they wanted it to be “time” not “ice” but with the advent of frost armor that seems to have faded as an idea. To add to that however Slow could apply time “reversal” to our health but now I digress. This healing factor would definitely kind of make shroud and pulse annoying in pvp but my solution is that having frost armor could increase the potential meaning the more stacks of frost armor the more effective Chill could heal. Finally Frost armor at max stacks should provide an overshield and ability cooldown.

just wish there were way to get frost armor outside of stasis like prismatic and also an easy way to give frost armor / make it

Do you have any stasis build for hunters with frost ees lol

Ran through the legendary campaign on stasis for the most part but renewal grasp and outbreak was just ridiculously good

I do like the changes to some fragments, especially whisper of torment. LOTS of grenade energy now. For once I actually had trouble deciding on what fragments to equip on stasis. That being said, if they're gonna make a lot of fragments work off of frost armor, you shouldn't have to equip a specific aspect to even be able to get frost armor IMO. I think they need to make the "picking up a shard gives frost armor" a fact of the subclass, not tied to an aspect

I actually like Stasis in its current form on Warlock, I use Frostpulse and Grim Harvest with Osmiomancy to have 100% uptime on a way to freeze targets and get Frost Armor. I certainly won’t say no to more buffs, but I am happy where I am now.

Stasis warlock has been my favourite since its inception. Crowd control turrets never get boring

My fix is remove the shards cooldown, and make the tracking shards thing like 1.5 or double radius. That would fix and make my stasis titan build feel so much better. Constant shard generation and having them track to you would be nice

It’s even worse with the fact they have a added slower time for glacier grenades to grow to the max height crystals.

Each class needs a new super that's opposite of the current type that already exists. So titan and warlock get a one shot to counter their roaming supers and hunter gets a roaming.

with the inclusion of stasis having prismatic (silence and squall being my fav pve super) i only put on stasis for shatter-skating now😭

I think combo melee and weapons together to boost the damage maybe.just throwing something out there

I made a lancecap-wicked implement build and I was surprised by how bad frost armor was at 8 stacks. The effort required to get frost armor compared to getting woven mail wasn't worth it. The DR feels like it's half of what it should be, and frost armor should decay like armor charge and not all at once. I also don't like how lances have zero tracking whilst tangles are very forgiving. The lancecap gameplay loop could be very fun if lances behaved like tangles, since I rarely have to think about whether my tangle will hit or not. Lob it and it'll hit something

I know I'm in the minority, but Behemoth is my absolute favorite subclass to play and I'm a warlock main.

It is SLIGHTLY better. Personally I think they need to delete the harvest aspects and make their benefits baked in to the subclasses and don’t turned into fragments. Then replace those aspects with new ones that reinforce and create new playstyles for each class. My biggest problem with stasis seems to be that you are forced into playing with the harvest aspects (which don’t do much yet are essential for survivability) and it feels like you’re playing with one aspect/half a build. Also all other element pickups can be created intrinsically or through fragments, why are stasis shards the exception??

At least Behemoth sustain is pretty solid now, I was already making boatloads of stasis crystals, and now they HEAL too so I’m just simply not dying anymore :)

This video hit all the marks. The Stasis changes on that Subclass are appreciated, but does the same thing it did before. Stasis on Prismatic is natural and very potent no matter the build. Threaded Specter + Winters Shroud, Grapple Grenade + Withering Blade, Silence and Squall + Radiant. Baking Creeping Chill (this seasons Artifact Mod) into the base Stasis kit would be a step in the right direction. It won’t be overpowered since Solar has Scorch/Ignitions, Arc has Jolt, Void has Volatile and Strand Unravel.

For me, I had an high uptime on my hunters stasis ability, even without the frostees, but bungie ruined my build though as I cannot make as many stasis shards and the removed the synergy mod for stasis shards to boost Intelligence/Super recharge rate… So had to rework it a bit in compensation, the okd build allowed me to use glacier’nades and a 360 gambit auto (stasis hakke) to instantly shatter my trapped (not frozen, but slowed enemy… not unlike ye old shatter dive… Other than that, been trading between solar and Stasis. Think I had to switch to prismatic twice. One was this really closed tight area with a hivemind vex and two dreads of stasis and strand. Along with the Witness fight before the raid.

For Titan, all I need is a lower cooldown on shard generation, more health on shard pickup, and *maybe* a way to give teammates frost armor like hunters and warlocks can do with exotics Also, fix the Diamond Lance not shatter crystals, and we good

My Verity Brow ager scepter breakwatcher warlock used to feel so good. Renewal Grasp hunter nerf shortly after its release, though much needed for pvp I guess, made them feel weak

I slightly agree, but I still feel like this was a dignificant buff to stasis, and hopefully when we see additions to prismatic, we will also see some tuning with stasis to accompany that

As a new player it's pretty cool but I have no idea how to get the exotics that buff stasis yanno I look up stasis builds and they use exotics I've never seen

Revenant main here (well..the only subclass I play) Still think the old DR system worked better for people who played exclusive stasis like me. There was almost never a situation in which I didn't have chains up (40%DR) and since I ran renewals shortly after they released, I also had the 25% DR on demand with max disc, bomber and other grenade mods. Headstone for proccing chains and nades/stasis siphon for orbs. Easy combo, dramatic uptime with the only downside being teammates destroying my crystals 😥

I’ve been playing a stasis hunter the last 2 days in GM’s and overall the experience is alright and I’m surviving fine most of the time, but the damage is lacking. And I agree we need a reliable way of healing instead of chasing orbs. But the crowd control and ability up time is actually feeling great

It feels basicallt the same to me. I wish that you did t los qll your stacks at once of frost armor and instead that it woud deteraite over time at a descalating rate. This would give more survivabitly instead of lossing all protecting at once if you cant get a new shard. I also feel like we need kore melees and bades but especially supers though this also goes for strand

I gotta say, the stasis shatter damage feels waaaaaaaay better. I got a build with the stasis exotic bow and Icefall Mantle. It really feels great having frost armor with the huge overshield with dr. I tried it in Gms yesterday and it would have slapped amazingly if the bow the surges of stasis or had antichampion capabilities (Glassway with barrier and overload champion, so not the perfect trial). Still, I have my one nags about Stasis. The cooldown of the stasis shards is way too noticeable. For my Horfrost Z build I liked to havr tons of melee regen for the aspect that creates the stasis crystals. As it is a very aggresive build, it really needs tons of sustain in more difficult activities (I still want to see if it has capabilities of doing solo dungeons. At least profecy, heresy and shattered throne. I think it has no way of doing the newer dungeons solo) and having to deal with that cooldown for getting little health makes it difficult to manage. Comparing frost armor to woven mail makes you get why one is better. With woven you get automatically like 35% dr. For Titan mains you can have Into the Fray and Banner of war. With these you get constant meaningfull healing and woven mail. With frost armor you have to fight the cooldown of the stasis fragments and the little health they give you plus having to pick up one by one. If I could get the five stacks of frost armor with the slide by default instead of breaking them and then having to pick them up would solve the issue (I feel that eay only eith the slide because it feels awkard shattering the crystals and then having to go backwards to collrct them when that was melee range. Yes I get that you can equip the fragment that makes them come to you but it feels like a waste of a slot when you already put yourself at melee and already went past the fragments9. And for diamond lance, it definetely feels better but its bugged. According to the patch notes they should shatter crystals on direct hits. Its not doing that currently... If it wasnt bugged, I would definetelydo a Cadmus Riged Cap for Gms, either in prismatic or stasis, but until it does what it is supposed to I am not going to bother. I wanted to try some stuff with the reworked fragments for a melee build with syntho or wormgod but it really feels like the better option its just putting on Winterbite, so... In conclusion, I feel somewhat disappointed with them. It feels better in someways but it needs some more tunning.

Stasis Hunter actually use to be better as Mask of Bakris use to grant damage increase against slowed or frozen targets. This effect use to actually increase not only weapon damage, but also the damage of your abilities against said targets meaning you could throw Silence and Squall right after dodging to buff it's damage and your weapon damage at the same time. Now it's the terrible surge mods and it's been proven it was basically a damage nerf when they made the change. They need to revert it back if Stasis wants any sort of improvement at least for Hunters.

Thanks

Frost Armor should just be an over shield and come up with a way to regain health (kills with frost armor add chip HP or something / standing near shattering targets)

Shadebinder still feels the same being in a activity where you can pick up shards is the wrong place to be using shadebinder. Revenant feels better just everything else on hunter is stacked and makes it seem lackluster. Behemoth will probably never click to me despite having frost armor the easiest out of the 3.

FORGOT TO MENTION HOW BAD CRYOCLASM IS NOW

I always wished Stasis had the ability to spread its verbs with aoe effects. Stasis warlock performs the best because it can spread slow/freeze to other combatants from a single kill or ability activation. Titans can spread with lance, but it's not passive like warlocks. Hunters just lack the spread in general, except its super.

How do you feel adding more AoE to shatter damage would improve things?

Stasis walked so light 3.0, Strand, and Prismatic could run. Stasis being extremely powerful and oppressive when it first launched, and its polarizing popularity paved the way for our other subclasses. It's still a bit sad that since it was a paid-for class for the longest time that it was basically relegated to being side-content past the beyond light era. So, tuning passes remained minimal after smacking it back down from the stasis meta days, and stasis focused perks/artifact mods were similarly minimal. I do think it's gonna keep languishing for a good while until they decide to do a full on stasis 2.0-like refresh.

Very nice vid. Logical reasoning and the part about buying stasis because of Prismatic makes A LOT of sense. I only use stasis on my titan because it's part of Prismatic. Otherwise, I wouldn't touch it.

Personally, I love how Stasis plays now. I didn't like it before but playing it more made me fall in love with the subclass again

I’m not sure if you are completely correct in a couple areas: I’ll give you the frost armor status and aspects were updated for Prismatic sure, but it’s not like they didn’t do that for other aspects included in prismatic, both consecration and knockout were buffed and would you look at that, they’re in prismatic too! Also, I don’t think you really have a point when saying that things like Silence and Squall or any of the melees were buffed just for prismatic - Stasis only has ONE melee option and ONE super option, so duh, of course those would be part of Prismatic. Lastly, you made the point a lot about every other class having better sustain, but that’s not true at all - plenty of subclasses don’t have any sustain at all or require a specific fragment or aspect. Solar is really the only other class that has something similar to a healing key word. Sure devour is present on void, but unless you’re on warlock, it’s not as ubiquitous as something like stasis shards. Strand only has healing on Titan with a specific aspect, and Arc warlocks have no form of innate healing Do I think that stasis in the best spot? Nah, but I think you’re reasoning is a little flawed and missing the bigger picture

my personal opinion on the stasis reworks is that they are going the right direction. the problem is we need new stasis abilites. we have been playing with the same stasis abilites for almost 4 years now, and considering all of those options are available on prismatic, why run vanilla stasis anymore. the main reason to switch off of prismatic to a vanilla light subclass is to get access to the abilities on that subclass that arent on prismatic. Stasis and Strand dont have that benefit. Strand is a subject for another day but i honestly think the best way to get vanilla stasis back in the meta is give it new abilites. the new light supers are doing wonders for the vanilla classes rn despite also being on prismatic. thats the key

Statis needs new supers, reworked and new aspects (use artifact mods for example), diamond lance available for every class (like tangles with strand), so you can buildcraft on lances, frost armor or shatter or a mix of all because right now I haven’t needed to change my fragments since stasis launched and I use the same fragments on all my classes

The doubling of base shatter damage and wiper of torment giving 20% with frost armor on stasis is kinda still the same, I will admit with the shatter fragment that increases its damage along with the buffs it’s very nice ad clear but that’s kinda it

I cant believe im saying this but i think it would be a good idea revisiting some of the nerfs to each class during year 4, i think we can all agree some of the problems we have today are caused by the nerfs made when stasis was broken behemoths im sure you know what im talking about But the more i play with stasis i just accept that strand its just better wich pains me to the soul beacuse stasis its my favorite subclass : (

We need a lot on stasis but I think the biggest thing holding back build diversity is just the lack of exotics that synergize well with it. There's about one for each class. However, I think there's a big misconception about what stasis is inside the community and why it's objectively worse than the other subclasses, minus prismatic since the video more or less nailed that issue. Stasis is about not taking damage. It's about methodical gameplay. It shines only when you can't kill enemies immediately and when supporting other classes. What it does well, it does the best in the game. There's just no where to use it. It's like asking why your support character can't do as much damage as the assassin. Destiny just has very little use for a support character. Yet, stasis hunter has one of the strongest dps rotations in the game and it's hardly utilized. The thing I love about stasis is that it feels like the most unique subclass in the game because it doesn't fit into the aggression mold where you play around how you heal. Since the goal is to not need healing in the first place. To fit stasis into the current sandbox would, imo, require a complete redesign of kit to focus on damage and healing at the cost of its cc. I would likely never enjoy the class again because it would be void or solar. Currently the shatter made a huge difference in lower end content where stasis was irrelevant because the enemies just fall over, on Hunter touch of winter is outclassed by winter's shroud so we have yet another freezing tool, the healing adds a nice touch to aggressive plays, and frost armor fixed the stationary defence play style with a separate stackable dr. These are some great first steps. But i could be a bit biased as a stasis main and not the greatest player.

It looks like fun when I see other players around me using it but every time I give it a go its just underwhelming compared to my op Strand and Solar builds. Even my weaker arc builds out perform Stasis. As of now stasis is relegated to the 'Vanguard playlist only bin' and I dont see that changing any time soon.

With Stasis requiring an aspect or specific (less safe) options for Frost Armor gen than something like Woven Mail I think ot should have the potential to be stronger. Hypothetically let us have 3 stacks at base and 5 with fragment. Each stack gives 10% dr in PvE but only 2% in PvP. This isn't perfect but for something much more involved to build up and maintain it would help a lot.. Help Prismatic too but that is an after thought. I don't think this is perfect and it is one small issue Stasis faces. As a small addition could we have Frost Armor appear as frost on our Guardians rather than a bluer overshield? It would be nice is all.

I think the frost armor changes were a direct downgrade for stasis personally. With clever positioning, glacier grenades, and verglasse curve I was able to have my resist up instantly when needed and keep it up 24/7. Now I have to depend on getting kills on slowed/frozen targets and moving to their location to slowly stack up to a lower dr cap. Bungie said it was hard to keep up your stasis crystals for the resist, but I found that to be an interesting thing to play around. I would kill a trash mob with verglass, shoot a crystal onto a wall above me and just sit under my shelter with extra DR. No teammates (unless they're ass holes) would bother that shard and I could produce many more on the field for them to shatter to their hearts content. The 3 changes needed to make frost armor compete with the old resist would be to make shards intrinsic to stasis, have frost armor decay 1 stack at a time like armor charge, and increase the default stack cap or dr % per stack to at least 5% so you can reach a nice 25% at max stacks. what is this 22.5% crap? And that's my take on the frost armor changes. The ability changes are fine, not super impactful but nice to have none the less.

Let's not forget that changing stasis to accommodate prismatic also broke core stasis stuff. You can't use the slide attack in behemoth super and clean watchers are awful now. They last half as long or at least break super easily.

I have no idea why they decided to make max Frost Armor weaker than Woven Mail despite Woven Mail being way easier to maintain.

It’s ironic because Osiomancy Warlock, the strongest stasis build, doesn’t benefit on these changes. Unless you commit to Techtonic Harvest or Balidorse Wraithweavers, your only option of getting Frost Armor on Vanilla Stasis is a melee based fragment. Reworking the DR fragment was lowkey a nerf

1 thing for sure, is that shatterdive is one step closer to be back😂

I’m not sure just feels like basic kit building watching the video and listening to the opinion. I was waiting for a moment about the updates to touch of winter since the video showcases hunter gameplay. The updates to cold snaps with touch of winter goes hard. Which imo unlocks hunters from dust fields in a pretty huge way. There is a bit of confusion over the commentary shatter dive has been a huge part of the hunter kit. So shatter builds have kind of always been a part of stasis hunter. The shatter from the different formations of crystals with touch of winter has been doing huge damage for about 3 seasons I think. I think the main hiccup around stasis is people thinking they are locked into playing a certain way not sure where that comes from. I think stasis feels a lot better in final shape. Not sure if it’s lagging though. I think the process of discovery is still open for players it’s just if they choose it over prismatic or not.

im 100% a warlock and have always luved stasis.. even when everyone was hating on it. every dam season was always hoping for some awesome artifact mods BUT nope bungie seems to hate stasis 🤷 we still only have a few things in the artifact.. every season its geared towards light subclass. anywho when final shape came out i was hella excited BUT it feels just liie B4 its having to choose between ice flare/ bleak vs glacial harvest for some shards build. i made a frost armor build to go with my turret build. and lets just say..im still on my bleakwatcher build 🤷 and yup..next step was to look into making a stasis pris build 🙂

I think the big problem for Stasis is a lack of exotics. Osmiomancy Warlock, Renewal Grasp Hunter and Hoarfrost-Z Titan are the only good builds for each class. Theres nothing that helps amplify the other niche parts of stasis that dont fit into those kits. That being said tho I think all thise classes are fine. Maybe bot for raiding but for GM content they are great and feeling really strong this season.

With the update to Stasis, it has now been made a carbon copy worse version of Strand, as both focus on CC (Crowd Control) and DR (Damage Resist), and Strand just does them better - Strand CC (Suspend) doesn’t go away when dealing damage, and Woven Mail has both a higher uptime and higher DR% (double % of base, only 1/3 better if Rime equipped, but still). On top of that, Strand has much more accessible sources of its CC, and bigger ranges. And against bosses, both are the same for their CC, as Freezing/Suspending a boss does a chunk automatically.

It is better than before, but it it in a worse place because any time I consider taking it, I realize I am better off taking prismatic now. All the stasis builds that I ever wanted to play are on prismatic, and better. Except for shatterdive I guess.

they're gonna update it trust

Let me cook what they should have done is add the season of the wish “when shatter frozen targets spawn a stasis crystal” but add it to a fragment or the core subclass so when ever you do that and it gets a kill it spawns another one dependent on enemy tier also remove the fragment where primary weapons do more damage to stasis shards add that as a benefit at all time and a 15% increase to damage when damaging a frozen target or what ever it was before and change it to “when freezing a tragedy all weapons do 30% more damage” (since it’s only for short bursts of time since you teammates break it) and also add to a useless fragment “when freezing a target your alies gain frost amour” remove the shards system and add that to your super bar since stasis supers are mid asf

Prismatic was designed to take certain bits of subclasses and put them together for fun and creative combos that don't work elsewhere. Easy examples being Turret Swarmlock, or Consecration Knockout Frenzied Blade Titan. But no Prismatic setup should be better at any one subclass identity than that actual subclass. If I want maximum suspend, I should need Strand. I still haven't found a better match for ignition builds than on Dawn Chorus Warlock. So the fact that the Stasis effects on Prismatic can match and sometimes outclass their counterparts on full Stasis subclasses is embarrassing for Stasis. Why play Revenant Hunter when Prismatic offers more (and better) freezes and shatters, plus bonus synergies that Stasis cannot get? Subclass specific exotics that work better on Prismatic than their original subclass make this change even easier to see. Exotics like Renewal Grasps and Osmiomancy gloves are just as good (or better) on Prismatic than on their Stasis counterparts, and lose no functionality for it. All this ranting is to agree with and emphasize your point that Stasis by itself has no identity. Freezes aren't hard to get on Prismatic, and there are even fragments to reward you for it. There's no Scorch rewarding fragments, and no major rewards for being Amplified (other than the Amplified buffs it already provides on Arc). All this to say, I shouldn't feel incentivized to have an elemental power fantasy build on a subclass that isn't that element. Why play Arc Hunter when Prismatic gets all the good toys? Why play Void Titan when Prismatic offers Overshield and the best of the 3 supers. The only reason to play a Titan subclass other than Prismatic is bc Prismatic doesn't get Banner of War, but even that's been nerfed a bit. Apologies on the rant, it just had to be said that Prismatic shouldn't be a better subclass than the subclasses it's borrowing from. Make each subclass so much better at what it does that Prismatic's individuality is what sets it apart, not the fact that it's just the better version of: Stasis (all 3), Arc Hunter and Titan, Void Titan and Warlock, Solar Hunter and Titan, and Strand Hunter Thanks for coming to my TED Talk

Bleak watcher and devour on prismatic is nutty. No real reason to use pure stasis now tbh

honestly stasis and void are the most balanced subclasses imo. strand just needs a little tuning, some buffs some nerfs, and solar needs some overall nerfs but not very intense. Prismatic needs a rework, some abilities need to be rotated out desperately.

Its genuinely sad that my behemoth clan that had around 20-30 good stasis users got the whole subclass nerfed repeatedly into the ground in pve and pvp lol. (Mostly pvp)

As a warlock main that loves shadebinder. You hit all the points. Stasis got "reworked" to make prismatic feel better. Why run shadebinder when I can play cooler shadebinder that's actually good?

I enjoy Stasis a bit more now, especially on Hunter with Renewals. That being said, it’s still mostly the same. IMO the best way to use stasis is on prismatic. Warlock with Osmio, Hunter with slow dodge and Liars, Titan with…well nothing stasis tbh