Time Sert vs. Heli Coil | Best Damaged Thread Repair | Best Thread Inserts | Partzilla.com

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Жыл бұрын

So, how do you replace the threads on an engine block?
It happens: a speedy repair, a bit of carelessness, and the threads are stripped on your engine block. So what happens next?
You can choose a Helicoil or a Time Sert, and in this video from Partzilla.com, we’ll help you decide which is better: the Time Sert or the Helicoil for your specific repair.
We’ll start with the Helicoil, and show you how it is installed-- which is simple so don’t be intimidated by the process. Then, we’ll move to the Time Sert, which takes a little more time and effort, but for your repair it might be a better fit.
Read more about whether a Helicoil or a Time-Sert is the right solution for you: www.partzilla.com/blog/heli/coil/vs/time/sert/thread/repair/kits?
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@iFixJunk
@iFixJunk 11 ай бұрын
Gave this a "LIKE" simply because he listed the options as "A" and "TWO". Been doing this since my wife and I met. She only noticed recently. Now it drives her nuts.
@NaberAuto
@NaberAuto Жыл бұрын
Good Video. When working on a race car pit crew years ago, we Heli-Coiled all of the critical holes that we could and they never failed. We even Heli-Coiled the lug nuts because we had several times where they would get cross threaded before we Heli-Coiled them. I think the threads were getting worn even though we used Anti-Seize every time the nuts were removed. We never had to replace a Heli-Coiled lug nut despite going on and off hundreds of times and they never cross-threaded. Likewise, with the other Heli-Coils, we installed in the engine and other critical areas - they NEVER had to be replaced and we never had the threads pull out. Heli-coils with hardened stainless steel threads are far stronger than aluminum or cast iron. We've used thousands of them in the past 45 years in business. If you watch how loose the Time Sert was when being installed into the hole, it likely would have failed an official thread test. It is strongly recommended to use oil whenever drilling or taping metals. Otherwise, you get holes and threads cut oversize - and lose a lot of strength. Of course you want to degrease the outside of the Time Sert as well as the hole when planning to use Locktite to retain the TIme Sert. With Helicoils, you never have to use Locktite because the spring pressure prevents them from moving and we always used oil to install the Heli-coils. Both are great products - especially with aluminum blocks, heads and so many other parts. The Time Serts work well on plastic too (such as intake manifolds, etc). We use a soap solution for lubrication when installing either Time Serts or Heli-Coils in plastic parts to maintain hole and thread size within specifications.
@sund5
@sund5 Жыл бұрын
Hello. Quality top notch answer there, one can really tell you know stuff. A question: In the first half of your answer it sounds like you think helicoils are best. But at the bottom you write both are great products. - Could you please tell in which situations Helicoils are best? - And in which situations TimeCerts are best? :-) Thanks a lot NaberAuto! :-)
@jkg6211
@jkg6211 10 ай бұрын
AWESOME... but did you see what happens after a year or more in a corrosive environment, like say, on an outboard that runs saltwater? It's a TOTALLY different ballgame.
@wilfredomartinez2565
@wilfredomartinez2565 11 күн бұрын
beautiful video !!!!!! very helpful, now to practice and use it on the work field.
@DonziGT230
@DonziGT230 5 ай бұрын
Heli-coils are not a 'one time use' or 'emergency repair only'. I've used them many times.
@jamese1596
@jamese1596 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video. Just an FYI, Time Sert’s instructions stress that you want to avoid bottoming out the insertion tool. So only run the tool through the Time Sert until it gets easy to turn, which means the bottom threads have expanded and locked the insert into the hole. No need to go any further.
@sciglassblower
@sciglassblower 10 ай бұрын
Heli is great! If you can't drill or tap straight, why would I take your opinion?
@frank_jk
@frank_jk Жыл бұрын
Great job explaining these options. Thanks.
@mikeadkins8215
@mikeadkins8215 8 ай бұрын
I'm sold on time-serts for their ability to handle a lot of torque. I repaired 7/16 inch mounting holes for a 62 Fairlane strut bracket, using fine threads to increase torquing power. They are costly and a blind hole sometimes doesn't offer enough room to run the insert tool deep enough to flare out the insert. Heli coils are fine in low torque applications. I used them to repair the carb stud holes on my vintage edelbrock intake, and they are just fine. And far less expensive.
@DRZWhisperer
@DRZWhisperer Жыл бұрын
Great video as always! 👍
@neosde
@neosde 7 ай бұрын
Caliper thread repaird whit stainless hardsteel time insert, came in a kit. Drill tap metric m9 1.25 Strong and saved a lot of hassle changing complete hub. Good video. Thanks.
@halbylopez5430
@halbylopez5430 5 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video was very helpful.👍
@nobodytonobodysbusiness
@nobodytonobodysbusiness 11 ай бұрын
Timesert is right. Good advice.
@nbowling10trio
@nbowling10trio Ай бұрын
Fun video, very informative. Thank you very much
@juannnn8074
@juannnn8074 Жыл бұрын
Buen vídeo felicitaciones saludos desde Argentina 🇦🇷
@Eurospec73
@Eurospec73 11 ай бұрын
Great video for sure I was debating between going with a helicoil and comparison to the time sert. You've helped me make my decision I will be going with the Time-Sert. How long do these timeserts last? Thanks again
@TheUniversalEyes
@TheUniversalEyes 5 ай бұрын
I would definitely use a Time Sert with red Loctite, seems like a winning combination.
@JDnBeastlet
@JDnBeastlet 8 ай бұрын
Very helpful video! Presumably if you were doing this "for reals" you'd want to use (a) a drill press, stepping up the drill bit sizes, (b) a tap handle to guide the tap (maybe (c) a tap follower too since you've got the drill press), (d) cutting fluid, and (e) compressed air to blow out the swarf and the broken tab of the helicoil.
@joeheinzle
@joeheinzle 4 ай бұрын
And drill the hole straight!
@515moto
@515moto Жыл бұрын
Great video - In shop class we were always taught to use cutting oil / motor oil whenever drilling or cutting threads. WD40 is a good cutting oil as well
@xESPplayer500x
@xESPplayer500x 7 ай бұрын
Cutting oil is the exact opposite of engine oil look into it. They taught you wrong. Cutting oil mates surfaces engine oil seprates them.
@mrmeener625
@mrmeener625 7 ай бұрын
good video. the guy is not an obnoxious know it all. did not talk for 20 minutes only to show the difference between the two
@ronaldmontgomery8446
@ronaldmontgomery8446 4 ай бұрын
I have used a keen sert with the small keys that you drive in locking the insert permeant.
@topfell8277
@topfell8277 Жыл бұрын
Used time serts for years in the air cooled vws
@andyt1462
@andyt1462 Жыл бұрын
Using a tap wrench instead of a spanner gives much better control and helps to keep the tap straight. Clamping the casing so it doesnt spin is aslo a good idea for several reasons and don't forget your safety glasses especially using compressed air to eject the cuttings🤕 All being said great video to show the comparisons. Thank you
@Stu-SB
@Stu-SB Жыл бұрын
Tap wrench is a good idea, I'm just about to do a snapped nipple on an RS4 caliper..
@matthewtaylor5290
@matthewtaylor5290 Жыл бұрын
I cringed when the spanner came out 😄
@kevinhancock4064
@kevinhancock4064 Жыл бұрын
But I don't think heli has moved I dud at 1st I'll inspect once I get cylinder back off . And stud out (bolt I mean) just don't get how it's broken before torquing up
@Stu-SB
@Stu-SB Жыл бұрын
I've just bought an M10x1.0 from Wurth. Sheared a bleed nipple on an Audi RS4 Caliper.. decided on the Timesert due to the solid insert..
@kevinhancock4064
@kevinhancock4064 Жыл бұрын
Yeah getting my heli in crank replaced in same way piece of mind
@kevinhancock4064
@kevinhancock4064 Жыл бұрын
Not sure if you'll reply but I've just got onto my old bike mechanic he's gonna reppace my heli for a timesert it seems so much better especially for my situation being a hg bolt into crank case for head gasket
@clintho1
@clintho1 Жыл бұрын
Ugh😪 so hard to watch him strip them on purpose... my stomach went down to my knees... I almost cried a little bit 🥺
@PartzillaParts
@PartzillaParts Жыл бұрын
They were sacrificed in the name of KZfaq...
@mkdundee4785
@mkdundee4785 Жыл бұрын
Man up son
@iFixJunk
@iFixJunk 11 ай бұрын
Just think of it this way: the casing gave its body to science. It's like med students learning on a cadaver. Hopefully that part was never going to be reinstalled anywhere.
@prawny12009
@prawny12009 8 ай бұрын
First one went in sooooo crooked Helicoil tang will snap off by simply turning the slotted insertion tool backwards, there is a weak point designed to snap.
@chrispyfer7721
@chrispyfer7721 5 ай бұрын
Are you ok?
@Drain09
@Drain09 Жыл бұрын
Do you sell time serts? I’ve needed a couple different sizes like your helicoil kits before.
@kcretired1032
@kcretired1032 Ай бұрын
So is the Time Sert Threaded all the way onto the Driver Tool before you thread it into the newly tapped hole? Or is the Driver tool only partially threaded into Time Sert when you start to thread it?
@Nanook6
@Nanook6 8 ай бұрын
The dealer says my rear gearbox plug threads are nonexistent and he’s going to fix it with some kind of pipe plug. I’m not mechanical but stumbled here in trying to educate myself. I want to understand the problem and be able to fix it myself if it reoccurs. How do I know what size Time-Sert to order for my ATV? I don’t even know where to start or how to search for it. Thank you for a great video!
@jerryfarmer5989
@jerryfarmer5989 3 ай бұрын
Well never heard of a time sert. Been using heil coils for years. But I would like to see a cost comparison. Heli coils have got ubber expensive like everything else. I have a few kits I've paid in excess of $75.00 each, to fix one hole. But that expense was also I needed it right now rather than waiting a week or 2 for an online order. I have heli coiled head threads with no problems. Sometimes I drill out the alcoa and put in heli coils simply because over time the metal to alcoa monster growls and threads pull. And yes brake clean and red loc tite.
@stevdbird3424
@stevdbird3424 Жыл бұрын
Nice bit of dovetail bolting.
@user-bm8ww4os6e
@user-bm8ww4os6e 6 ай бұрын
What if there is a hair line crack on the inside of the crankcase.i have a stripped out head bolt on my100 cc 2 cycle mortor what can i do to save it.its a new mortor any tips
@davideulivieri5138
@davideulivieri5138 Жыл бұрын
Awesome teaching skills!
@Luui2x
@Luui2x Жыл бұрын
Can I do heilcoil on my reeds cage ?
@fionnan2811
@fionnan2811 4 ай бұрын
I've used both and preferable use time serts
@mra2957
@mra2957 11 ай бұрын
Why did you not show how to setup the helix oil insert tool and insert?
@NaberAuto
@NaberAuto Жыл бұрын
Great video.... A huge help is to drill out the threads in steps with oil on the drill, and the drill will follow the hole, and maintain the correct hole size much better than going in with just 1 drill.
@Matt463634
@Matt463634 5 ай бұрын
Timesert or helicoil to repair stripped thread on a strut mount hole?
@andyt1462
@andyt1462 Жыл бұрын
The tool for inserting the helicoil is used to remove the tang. Just twist in opposite direction. It naturally locks in place as unscrewing it expands it. It can't go anywhere. By using punch you run the risk of dislodging the bottom thread or two of the coil insert. JS 😜
@kevinhancock4064
@kevinhancock4064 Жыл бұрын
Why is it that most say to hit the tang off once installed ? I thought that was how they work ? Would not allow the stud/bolt to pass it if needed ?
@stanwardoshiro
@stanwardoshiro 3 ай бұрын
Helicoils are better than time-Serts. There are at least 3 YT videos showing the failures of both. The Helicoils fared better than time-Serts.
@damiangrouse4564
@damiangrouse4564 26 күн бұрын
Helicoil is all we used in aviation in my day. Good enough for an airliner or military jet good enough for cars.
@Shmack_
@Shmack_ Жыл бұрын
I stripped the cam chain tensioner bolt on a 2018 honda grom. What route should I take?
@robbietucker7815
@robbietucker7815 Жыл бұрын
I would suggest timesert. I tried helicoil and it failed. Bike shop fixed me up with timesert.
@CarlosC77
@CarlosC77 Жыл бұрын
Helicoils are incredible, Ive used them to on engine heads and are pretty much rated for at least 200lbs ft.
@kevinhancock4064
@kevinhancock4064 Жыл бұрын
Hi I'm in process of getting my old bike mechanic to reppace my heli fir a timesert for piece of mind . Many say theure ok for temp fix . And read some have had a second keak from a heli on a head . For some reason my head bolt that goes to heli passed its yield point and twisted then broke not sure why as I used 25nm in sequence that went OK then 37nm but broke very unhappy
@mranonymous7713
@mranonymous7713 Жыл бұрын
WTF, 200ftlbs of torque. bruh i recently stripped my dirt bikes oil pan threads and that dog shit is rated at only 18ftlbs so i just cant rap my head around that
@CarlosC77
@CarlosC77 Жыл бұрын
@@mranonymous7713 Theres a video on all the diff helicoil and thread insert brands being compared and their are some that go past that its insane
@Macksmadvic
@Macksmadvic 9 ай бұрын
Ya a dirt bike not a car
@Coodeville
@Coodeville Жыл бұрын
I had a thread repaired in a 500 Caddy intake manifold. It holds a bolt that secures the compressor but also blocks off vacuum as well as it goes through the intake runner. Bad design in my opinion. The machinist went with the Time Sert because of the durability.
@Duppavich
@Duppavich Жыл бұрын
Great video mate 👍 I'd advise anyone with access to a drill press to use that instead of a cordless drill. It looked like it wasn't completely square due to this method.
@iFixJunk
@iFixJunk 11 ай бұрын
Agreed, and I observed the same in the video. Unfortunately, a lot of the times I've had to do this the part was not something I could bring to the drill press (like a mount on the side of the motor), so I do my best to start slowly so I can see if the bit is cutting more on one side; then I adjust accordingly until my drill bit appears to shed chips equally on the entire perimeter of the hole. If possible, maybe use a jig made on the drill press that you can bring to the engine, if necessary, but I've always had to just wing it.
@manborg84
@manborg84 Жыл бұрын
which one do i use for my toilet?
@Jonodrew1286
@Jonodrew1286 Жыл бұрын
There are always pros and cons - helicoils are good if the hole has good clearance but not too much and if installed properly - people always forget to drill out all the parent thread - and this can jack out the helicoil - they can skip threads if you dont pull slightly against them when carry out its installation- helicoils are prices well and robust - the cons are if the thread has hole has too much clearance the helicoil will not fix that - Time certs - industry standard / expensive - can fix a hole with larger clearance but a deep hole can present problems if there is no suitable counter bore to sop against and drilling a counter hole at the top to make it flush can also be problematic if there is an oil or water groove close by or the wall thickness is not there - so pros and cons one is no better than the other - its just that industry has leaned towards a solid insert rather than a coil - but that does not make it a better product…..!
@roots4x
@roots4x 8 ай бұрын
Assuming none of those Time Sert cons are applicable, and that will be for a LOT of people at home working on their cars, Timesert is more durable and can handle far more torque. That's why it's approved by OEMs to repair engine blocks. It works in almost all cases and can be considered a permanent fix. Definitely not for the Helicoil. Cost? What will it cost you to replace an engine block because you used a Helicoil?
@Jonodrew1286
@Jonodrew1286 8 ай бұрын
@@roots4x I am inclined to disagree, just because the industry has leaned towards a particular brand - an insert of any type is only as strong as the material around it - a hole or the right pitch and clearance is necessary - I have seen time-certs fail on BMW M52 & M54 as overheating actually sinks the material between the liners and the aluminium alloy actually softens when going past a certain operating temperature (overheating) I have been doing automotive engineering for 25 years and have been using helicoils for just as long - If not installed properly they will pull especially fine pitched threads- Time Certs / WÜRTH have just priced them selves exorbitantly - Horses For Corses
@davidnielson5252
@davidnielson5252 3 ай бұрын
If you go view several YT videos where they test torque to failure, the time certs did not do as well as the helicoil. The helicoil outlasted a grade 8 bolt...over 8,000psi. Helicoil is solid if installed properly.
@durchh7
@durchh7 11 ай бұрын
Do you put locktite or some thread locker on the helicoil?
@davidhall3747
@davidhall3747 10 ай бұрын
No need to use Lock Tite.
@james00133
@james00133 Жыл бұрын
Hi. I’ve 2005 Suzuki Boulevard C50 but when I put it in gear, it doesn’t move, the clutch just raise but no movement. Please help me with amending that problem.
@SeriousSchitt
@SeriousSchitt Жыл бұрын
It sounds like your pressure plate is stuffed? Insert 3/8” UNC helicoil two inches from the left of plate edge and, when complete, fair dump the clutch!
@musthakahamad
@musthakahamad 9 ай бұрын
is the coil really important in this process cause you already used the tapping to carve the thread , what is the advantage of using the coil ?
@lukaszM46
@lukaszM46 6 ай бұрын
the hole he tapped is bigger than it was before, the helicoil gets it back to original diameter, also helicoil gives a stronger thread than parent material
@6226superhurricane
@6226superhurricane 3 ай бұрын
you don't need a punch to break the tang you just remove the installation tool turn it 90 degrees, push down and break the tang then remove it from the hole. helicoils can be used indefinitely they are not one time use only. they are also stronger than time serts and take more torque to yield.
@michaelglenn2468
@michaelglenn2468 Жыл бұрын
No links to the kits?
@valkyriesurvives5109
@valkyriesurvives5109 Жыл бұрын
You need specific sizes based on your application.. can't link them all
@enor1sdca
@enor1sdca Жыл бұрын
you must be getting board, but thax for the vid
@rickysmallwood1405
@rickysmallwood1405 Жыл бұрын
Square edge punch then you use a roll pin punch
@jonathangarzon2798
@jonathangarzon2798 20 күн бұрын
Where's the NS300L ?
@Maxnitout
@Maxnitout Жыл бұрын
i dont know shit but id probably use the cutting oil to begin with thanks for the video
@kevingoon2747
@kevingoon2747 9 ай бұрын
Why did he drill first and not just Tapp and insert
@grabir01
@grabir01 7 ай бұрын
Heli Coil was invented and used in air craft engines. Was much stronger than the original threads. To say it is a temp fix is not true. Heli Coil is a proven technology. Also, your first hole you drilled was crooked.
@f.dt.f3965
@f.dt.f3965 Жыл бұрын
WHAT NO LOCTITE ON THE HELICOil
@SeriousSchitt
@SeriousSchitt Жыл бұрын
Loctite’ll leak through to the inside of the coiled thread and remain in liquid form until you put the bolt in, at which time the unit locks together and becomes as one!
@jefflittle8872
@jefflittle8872 Ай бұрын
Don't mention yamaha xjr torque settings for sump pan..way to high 40nm never never never..
@crisnmaryfam7344
@crisnmaryfam7344 Жыл бұрын
Project Farm beat you to this, and by an alarming amount of data presented too.
@angelcelis9090
@angelcelis9090 Жыл бұрын
Yeah half of his videos show the most useless scenarios.
@aldraway
@aldraway Жыл бұрын
🇸🇦👌1
@r_mac67fstbck41
@r_mac67fstbck41 Ай бұрын
That man cant drill or tap a hole straight to save his life!
@paulocaldeira9219
@paulocaldeira9219 Жыл бұрын
Time Sert all ways 🤟😎
@crisnmaryfam7344
@crisnmaryfam7344 Жыл бұрын
Check out project farms video on these.
@viking.200
@viking.200 Жыл бұрын
@@crisnmaryfam7344 yes and 10 other that say helicoil is much stronger, I've seen engine builders use them in head bolts.👍.
@timcheaney2110
@timcheaney2110 4 ай бұрын
Meanwhile just had this happen to me during head install on my aluminum 5.3 head install and got so mad I cried. And he just does it on purpose 🙄
@devencarroll7719
@devencarroll7719 Ай бұрын
I just did this to my LT4 383 stroker. Intake manifold bolt. 😭
@curtisboutelle6334
@curtisboutelle6334 11 ай бұрын
Didn't even tap it straight !! Neither one !! Unbelievable
@davidhall3747
@davidhall3747 10 ай бұрын
It's called Skill.
@dinosoarskill17
@dinosoarskill17 Жыл бұрын
@joearmijo1157
@joearmijo1157 Жыл бұрын
this was hard to watch
@Maxnitout
@Maxnitout Жыл бұрын
in out in out in like fuc*** just pull out or one less bikes cause babies and stuff
@DixieNormas
@DixieNormas Жыл бұрын
So much wrong with this video, please don’t use this as a “how too” more of a “how NOT too”!!!
@Rocket39Smoke14
@Rocket39Smoke14 Жыл бұрын
Just say "NO" to Ugga, Dugga's!!!
@donlong1234
@donlong1234 6 ай бұрын
time-serts sucks 😂😮😂😮😂😅
@keithswiercz3890
@keithswiercz3890 Жыл бұрын
Heli coil is stronger and more resistant to corrosion than the other hole repair kits!
@davidhall3747
@davidhall3747 10 ай бұрын
Heli Coils are made out of Stainless Steel.
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