Seiko SPB455, SPB453, SPB451 - perfecting the formula?

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Күн бұрын

It’s often said that evolution can be better than revolution, but I don’t think many people could have predicted Seiko to make a move like this. It was only four years ago that Seiko released their SPB143 and variants to immediate success, basing the design on the original Seiko dive watch from 1965. Now, this new line of SPB watches has rendered them effectively redundant, tweaking the design in subtle ways to retrain its character but improve its performance. Seiko have definitely taken some risks, and time will tell if they pay off.
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Brand - Seiko
Model - Prospex 1965 Heritage Diver’s Watch
Reference Number - SPB455, SPB453, SPB451
Case Dimensions - 40mm (D) x 13mm (T) x 46.4mm (LTL)
Case Material - Stainless steel
Water Resistance - 300 metres
Crystal(s) - Sapphire
Dial - Blue, black or grey and gilt
Strap - Stainless steel bracelet, folding clasp; additional recycled ocean plastic fabric strap (SPB455 only)
Movement - 6R55, in-house, automatic
Power Reserve - 72 hours
Functions - Hours, minutes, seconds, date
Availability - Available now
Price - A$1,995, US$1,300 (SPB453, SPB451), A$2,350, US$1,400 (SPB455)
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@oes2546 Ай бұрын

I’m totally okay with the date. I prefer it, even find it charming, like a unique quirk. But I want a great on the fly adjustment clasp if they are hiking the price up and up without tightening the accuracy tolerances.

@trollse8714 Ай бұрын

That would make the watch seriously compelling

@lowersaxon 17 күн бұрын

The new position of the date is perfect. Bravo Seiko. The perfect compromise of symmetry and having a date nevertheless.

@joewhite6875 Ай бұрын

Great work as always, Marcus

@AkamShwan 22 күн бұрын

I have a steel on steel Tag Heuer Aqua Racer Calibre 5 with blue dial as a daily and I have been on the market for a simple looking, affordable, and decently sized daily diver in black! Could not find any but this one ticks all the boxes! Just ordered it!

@raymond-thecrumpledlecturer Ай бұрын

I think these look great. Great review Marcus.

@bruceyjustine7322 Ай бұрын

Your videoshop is so enjoying I just wanna see the watch

@expertreviews1112 25 күн бұрын

Great improvements!!! Blue one is

@MathewBT81 Ай бұрын

Nice looking watches and you generally can't go wrong with Seikos, just wished you had a shot of that other strap on the wrist 😎

@s.m.4194 Ай бұрын

Love this chanel

@leeevans8407 Ай бұрын

Ive owned 2 SPB143.s and never had a problem with the movement only loosing a few seconds a day, the dimensions on these watches look perfect and I can’t wait to see them in the flesh 😍

@Andrew-yy2ye Ай бұрын

I've got the sbp 293 save the ocean with the blue birch dial, beautiful watch terrible movement mine gains around+30seconds a day in the box and around half that on the wrist,can see the455 in my collection 😁👍

@leeevans8407 Ай бұрын

It’s a must the dimensions are perfect and they all look stunning with probably the 455 the pic of the bunch 😍

@JacobLawrenceCanning Ай бұрын

I have an SPB 313 and it's extremely accurate. Running at +2 seconds a day.

@alexeng4680 Ай бұрын

Nice video! Btw can this new bracelet be fitted on spb143?

@cephas5902 Ай бұрын

Would you be able to comment on the reflection of the crystal in comparison to the older models (e.g., spb143)? Thanks!

@melvinsacromentoe Ай бұрын

Looks good I would still prefer the sunburst dial. Also think the price is out there for what it is

@danryan4137 Ай бұрын

I still want one.

@d.kashani Ай бұрын

i think there’s some improvements but I much prefer my 143’s sunray grey dial and brushed bezel and 3:00 date. I also own the sje093 which I love but doesn’t replace my 143. I’m even more grateful I have one now that they’re being replaced.

@parkpy Ай бұрын

I don’t know if these are available in the USA yet.

@seanlacey6651 Ай бұрын

What size is your wrist for reference?

@watchboxer Ай бұрын

I choose SPB453, it is worth owning and handsome

@chrisc8073 Ай бұрын

I prefer the SPB143. It's a classic.

@richarddobson4marrickville 14 күн бұрын

Same. 40.5mm is only just large enough for my 18cm wrist... Any smaller is too small.

@El-AYE-Ra1s3d 26 күн бұрын

The grey gilt and navy for me ❤

@martinalvarez4010 Ай бұрын

what colour looks best in person?

@caramel109 Ай бұрын

Are those prices correct? How does $100 US extra for the special edition equal $350 AU extra??

@leonardocozza3140 18 күн бұрын

Nice. Are endlinks male or female?

@electricjoshaloo Ай бұрын

The black and gold is really nice. I'll say this again and again...Seiko needs to fire whoever designs their bracelets and clasps. This bracelet is better but the clasp looks cheap.

@manzahalem8845 30 минут бұрын

Has Seiko addressed the horrible fitment of the bracelet to the lugs in previous iteration, in this updated version?

@camels3269 Ай бұрын

These upgrades are amazing and the watches look even better proportioned than their predecessors. How glossy/shiny would you say the 455 gilt is in person? Is it comparable to the SPB147 in terms of looks?

@olivercader1411 Ай бұрын

What's the song?

@Apex_Apeq 16 сағат бұрын

At first I wasn't sure about Seiko's new models either. worried there is an issue like the previous models. last week, I saw this model in a boutique in my place. I tried this watch on there. I'm not sure, this watch is the same as in other boutiques or not. The bracelet is much more comfortable than the older 62 mas. The bezel alignment is also in the right place. Did seiko really upgraded their product on this model? 😅

@Lychegsye-nc6td Ай бұрын

2:12 SPB 543 ? guess this is a mistake?

@maitrehg 9 күн бұрын

I prefer the 143. A future classic. Firstly, I like its dimensions and I definitely don't want a smaller watch. Next, the gray dial and brushed bezel look stunning. Finally, only two micro-adjustments on the clasp of the new watch is pathetic for a diver. I don't care for 300m and smaller links on the bracelet. 143 for me and I will buy a second one for my personnal collection.

@firmasyahrian2483 Ай бұрын

I wonder why the gilt and the blue ones have black date window and not the same color as the dial. Imagine a no date version, that would bring this one to (almost) Tudor level.

@HarvSchmerzen Күн бұрын

Impressive. Very nice. Lets see Paul Allen's Seiko watch.

@devonphosphor5844 13 күн бұрын

personally like the old date position

@tngchinghwa Ай бұрын

hate 6r movement, but im going to make an exception and get this, gonna take a look at black or blue in person before making the decision

@ajmarion Ай бұрын

My experience with 6R’s has been good, I’ve had 6R15, 6R35, and 6R54 and no issues. I’ve had more issues with SW200’s

@tezzanewton Ай бұрын

It’s nice but in Australia it’s the best part of 2.5k.

@TranBinh.99 Ай бұрын

how much

@alexspink4325 Ай бұрын

The 3 days text is an absolute turkey 🦃 would have massively preferred they stuck with the 6R35 and kept that neat pyramid of text under the pinion

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

The 3 days text bashing is getting annoying, basically every new single mid tier Prospex and Presage will have the text, we have to get over it , it is not worst than the original text Dialshock 24 jewels

@khronokraze Ай бұрын

Overall very nice. BUT, I won't own another Seiko Prospex until they update their clasp and get rid of that damn diver extension and replace it with one that looks, functions, and wears a lot better and looks worthy to be on a premium $1k

@josephcastillo6742 Ай бұрын

I want to like seiko watches, but the bracelets and clasp like you mentioned just ruin it for me. Idk how I feel about an aluminum bezel as well. Overall very nice, but don’t think I’ll be spending my money with seikos watches until the clasps and bracelets get updated

@khronokraze Ай бұрын

@@josephcastillo6742 regarding the bezel. I personally like an aluminum or steel bezel over ceramic. I know less scratch proof. I would say they are not necessarily less durable. Ceramic can crack where as metal may get dented, but it should still hold. In either scenarios, if watch bezel insert takes hard enough impact to crack the ceramic or dent a metal one, it won't be a good thing. But, the finish of a metal insert looks better to me, too.

@dukes70 Ай бұрын

Well said!! They make the worst bracelets and clasps yet charge $1400!! Then they’ll put this clasp on their Grand Seiko and charge $10K!! Lol 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@josephcastillo6742 Ай бұрын

@@dukes70 microbrands give you so much for your money. It’s kind of hard to go the seiko route. Seikos do have some of the most beautiful dials though

@user-jk4oz2eo9w Ай бұрын

you’re literally my comfort person i love you #nkuwan !

@felicienrigaud5486 Ай бұрын

Aluminium bezel insert ? I heard the bezel is in carbon titanium... which is much more durable than aluminium...

@blairdalgleish8247 Ай бұрын

Seiko doesn’t listen to its customers, if they did, they would regulate their movements, sign the crown and improve their quality control

@alexspink4325 Ай бұрын

😂 are you sure they didn’t want an unnecessary update release with a 4.30 date and 3 days on the dial?

@1250GSX Ай бұрын

They do listen and did all three of those things with the SLA 043. It'll cost you though.... 😃

@FelNiode 28 күн бұрын

Nice piece, cheaper & japanese alternative to blackbay 58!

@Drsunnychan Ай бұрын

Actually more Disappointed that the current update of the MarineMaster only has 200m of water resistance when compared to these models.

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

Do you want to dive that deep ? This is ridiculous

@Nakkisampyla 17 күн бұрын

Professional desk diver

@kha6905 Ай бұрын

the blue is my, but i will will see the special when i choice

@Isual Ай бұрын

I don't see these at 1300 plus tax USD. 700-800 at most.

@DaltonMirklestein Ай бұрын

I guess the reality is different than what you see

@TitoVicVGC Ай бұрын

Still with no signed crown, why?

@jaycee7417 Ай бұрын

seiko black bay?

@enasnI127 Ай бұрын

No. Hands, Indexes, proportions, crown guards and so on are all totally different.

@sebastien6483 Ай бұрын

I tend to dislike the 4:30 date window particularly because the numbers arent aligned with the wearer's eye and if the shape of the window matches the indicies it's pretty awful. Having it like this or like B&R do it is as good as it gets.

@TheAlbert12397 Ай бұрын

For me it ruins the watch. I wouldn't wear this watch even if given to me for free because the 4.30 date window is so horrible

@sebastien6483 Ай бұрын

@@TheAlbert12397 Fair enough. There's a lot of choices to be had. Personally I'm not in the market for more divers so that's why I'm out. I could still understand someone liking this.

@dangphoto_ Ай бұрын

Looks like a Tudor Watch.

@oneantihero 24 күн бұрын

Skx013 is still the king of midsize diver

@king_of_queens Ай бұрын

I seriously hope that it’s a 120 click bezel and the offset (read: misaligned) pip on the 455 shot at 2:46 is just one click offset and not the real watch as it shipped…

@pk1342 Ай бұрын

It is. Reviewers "misalign" them to get hits and comments

@ThePurple1968 23 күн бұрын

I don't buy a watch without a date. This is a seiko knock out

@skynet_cyberdyne_systems Ай бұрын

Bezel insert should be ceramic

@user-pz5ju7mw3k Ай бұрын

The date looks ridiculous they should have just ditched it all together

@k.l.1462 Ай бұрын

GREAT watch except for the movement. I have the SPB147. Came from the factory running +30 spd

@blairdalgleish8247 Ай бұрын

I have this one too, it runs + 20s per day

@ajmarion Ай бұрын

I have the GMT version, 6R54, runs around +8s/d

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

This is not the same movement , this is the new 6R55

@blairdalgleish8247 4 күн бұрын

I have this to, it’s runs at + 20 per day, not good enough given what they cost

@courtpaul9334 Ай бұрын

What's the cost pls.?

@UltraDoug Ай бұрын

Bottom of the chart shown at 2:27

@courtpaul9334 Ай бұрын

@@UltraDougOh yes tk u very much 👍

@encol7953 Ай бұрын

Why isn’t the second hand moving in any of this footage?

@justMakss Ай бұрын

It’s a dummy movement for press footage Cheaper than sending the real thing to all the content creators

@diydad7704 Ай бұрын

The 62MAS has a very compact case. Not sure i like the clipping of the lugs to make it shorter. Probably staying with the SPB143.

@8AP1 Ай бұрын

Non replaceable crown tube 😞

@tebetmania Ай бұрын

is there a cheaper alternative to this style ? Under 500 dollar. From Seiko 5 series perhaps ?

@szurrogatum Ай бұрын

There will be SRPK99K1 soon. There are SRPD51K1, SRPD55K1, SRPD57K1, SRPD65K1. But to be honest, nothing is close enough, as those are seiko 5s, with different braclet, different finishing, different movement. They are not 62mas remakes. Usually these are sold with 4r36 (day+ date). 4r36's accuracy is -35/+45 seconds per day, hovewer they are more accurate. PR is 41 hours, wr is only 100m. 6r55 is -15/+25 seconds per day, with 72 hours power reserve. You might want try spb147J1, cheaper than new 62mas versions. With 6r35 movement.

@tebetmania Ай бұрын

@@szurrogatum Thank you for your advice. I'm curious too about the Orient Kamasu and Ray watches. How do they stand up against the Seiko 5's ?

@szurrogatum Ай бұрын

@@tebetmania Seiko 5s are not real diver watches, I would say they are diver style watches. Orient Kamasu/Mako are better as diver watches. Seiko 5 has usually 100m water resistance, Kamasu has 200m. Kamasu has sapphire, that is much better. The movemenet is F6922, with ~40 hours power reserve, accuracy is -15/+25 seconds/ day. Bezel is good compared to its price, finishing is good compared to price, movement is good compared to price, sapphire is a huge advantage. Screw down crown. The bracelet can be the the issue, but probably better than seiko 5s entry level bracelets. I would chose Orient Kamasu over Seiko 5. But I wouldn't say they look like 62Mas. Kamasu has day and date, the hands are different, and of course the finishing is also different etc. etc.. Orient Kamasu is a good, cheaper, entry level diver. In most of the cases better than Seiko 5. Try one newer version with sapphire crystal, you get good value for your money. (There were a lot of Mako versions in the past) But never forget these are automatic watches. If you don't have an automatic watch there are things you need to consider. The accuracy of a quartz watch is better, you can put down a quartz for days and they won't stop. Usually automatic watches are thicker, especially divers. I beleive there are two options: you can buy an Orient, or you save money and buy a more expensive watch. There are microbrands out there (Christopher Ward, Baltic), there are the Seiko prospex watches, there are Seiko turtle or Samurai watches (look different, the case style is different than 62MAS). And there are brands like Certina or Mido. In the Orient Kamasu price range Kamasu is a very good watch or can be the best.

@manzahalem8845 28 минут бұрын

@@tebetmania Roughly similar, maybe a hair "nicer".

@stevens1041 Ай бұрын

I like these. Don’t like the price.

@davidb9531 Ай бұрын

Hey Seiko!!! It’s a dive watch we don’t need a date.

@milianriedel Ай бұрын

this

@user-lh8ql5zr5e Ай бұрын

Yes we do.

@westcoast.s5 Ай бұрын

What if you needed to sign a contract underwater ?

@milianriedel 17 күн бұрын

@@westcoast.s5 imagine you are diving for two days and not sure what date it is, but your watch saves you!

@orangedan5424 Ай бұрын

Why can't seiko put a higher beat movement for a watch that cost more than 1k? it's a real shame.

@zaksimon5232 Ай бұрын

Is the misaligned bezel part of what makes the special edition “special”?

@roybatty4687 Ай бұрын

Background music is too loud.

@Mark-pi7vj Ай бұрын

That black date disc on the blue dial is a joke.

@zeussugi7936 Ай бұрын

I love 4.5 date. But if it was square

@TheAlbert12397 Ай бұрын

The 4.5 date window utterly ruins this watch for me. Other than date window this is great looking watch. I hate 4.5 window so much I wouldn't wear this watch even if it was given to me for free

@zeussugi7936 Ай бұрын

@TheAlbert12397 I prefer 4.5 date, and all the indices. It's funny how such a small thing is important. And so many opinions.

@lengx.9798 Ай бұрын

The bezel looks thick now with smaller diameter.

@cle_roknn3742 Ай бұрын

Seiko: we made a great watch case and made the dimensions perfect for an everyday wear watch. Also Seiko: let’s top it off with an aluminum bezel and a 3hz unregulated movement then charge 1,000+ dollars for it! Seriously, you can’t even be bothered to slap a ceramic bezel and tune up the movement for that money. Modern Seiko is just loosing my business.

@ThePlaiibox Ай бұрын

they still cant sign a god-damn crown tho!

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

They don’t sign the prospex crown , get over it ,this is getting annoying , 🥱🥱

@ABCTEST213 Ай бұрын

Why Seiko always put date on a diver style watch? some kind of obsessive compulsive disorder?

@user-yc1wi9de3t Ай бұрын

I swear the happiness I feel when #nkuwan uploads a video is beyond!!!!

@mike569112 Ай бұрын

I’d pay $500 for it.

@louneallabiagareb5544 9 күн бұрын

If the date comes with Cyclops glass. My goodness!!!

@JM.TheComposer Ай бұрын

Honestly this appears to just be a marketing video.

@Dylan-zf4xh Ай бұрын

I've been wanting the 62mas reissue, but I couldn't bringyself to pay $1,000+ for that godawful movement, after a bad experience with my Willard. That blue has me sold

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

Not the same movement though

@gynat5968 Ай бұрын

Picked up my SPB 143 JDM for $900. Great daily if you live and play on\in the water. Looks better with a few dings and scratches.

@victorutomo7244 Ай бұрын

4.30 date window is the strangest

@gjmartin88 Ай бұрын

Sad, I think they missed the mark. The thickness of the original was the achilles heel. The height + angular design made it wear awkward. Not shaving off more in favor of increased water resistance was a weird choice. (Context: Previous Spb143 owner)

@cy9nvs Ай бұрын

They could've just gotten rid of that stupid power reserve line, move the text up, maybe shave a tiny little bit off of the hour marker at 6 o clock and put the date window there. This is just terrible, not only is the date too small, it's also in the worst possible spot, in my opinion.

@cy9nvs Ай бұрын

@@JowcoI And I don't care that you don't care. I'm just voicing my opinion, deal with it. 🤷🏼‍♂️

@resjon7981 Ай бұрын

Very nice watch but I require a quartz version.

@denbo74 Ай бұрын

I hope they made this movement better. The 6r35 is a dog

@rubentus1980 6 күн бұрын

cmon, -15/+25 seconds per day and they ask €1.600 for this watch...

@wadsworth2351 Ай бұрын

Still though, only fair-to-middling movement.

@romanfedorowycz4090 Ай бұрын

6L37 or nothing

@bettersteps Ай бұрын

"Automatic 3 Days" is rather tacky. ...Gimmicky, maybe. Definitely undesirable.

@glennhaley7404 Ай бұрын

I agree

@ajmarion Ай бұрын

I have it on my MM200 GMT, and while I would definitely prefer it not be there, the text is really small in person so I don’t notice very often

@JowcoI Ай бұрын

Bullshit, the original text was Dialshock 24 jewels , are you going to shit on it as well ? Get over the text it won’t move

@bettersteps Ай бұрын

@@JowcoI I will not get over it. The text is still undesirable. It is ugly and gimmicky. I will shit on it.

@matthewscott3689 Ай бұрын

The date and text ruins it. Also, it didn’t need to be smaller the spb143 sits on the wrist perfectly. New designs don’t perfect anything, they detract from an already great design.

@joaquinbarreto9398 Күн бұрын

I don’t know how the damn Japanese just can’t figure out that X symbol and date is ULTRA LAME. This thing would be absolute beast mode without those 2 present. What an abismal failure!! Man the potential.

@seansciberras9298 Ай бұрын

The main issue for me is the size of the watch. Love the design and history but next to my turtles which I have worn for up to 30 years it just looks like a ladies watch on my wrist. No matter how hard I try I can’t get past how weak it looks next to a turtle. Make a slightly bigger one next time round.

@DavidGWYNNE Ай бұрын

Terrible read of the script. But good info though!

@blairdalgleish8247 Ай бұрын

Their clasp system is horrible too

@Not_me9791 Ай бұрын

Black Bay or Pelagos? Well, the clasp is awful!! I want to buy this, but this clasp...

@MrLeSa95 Ай бұрын

that 3 days text on dial is so f ugly. why would they put that there

@jhoag2577 Ай бұрын

Clasp is outdated

@saltysealion Ай бұрын

Date window sucks

@jangeboers1984 Ай бұрын

The date ruins it.

@matlindell5022 Ай бұрын

Couldn´t agree more.The 3 hz movement is also a shitter unfortunately 🤢

@Harvin87 Ай бұрын

No it doesnt.

@tankt13 Ай бұрын

Everyone has opinions

@DeepsGnome Ай бұрын

While I prefer a 6 o'clock date, or even 3 o'clock date, i think this is the best implementation of a 4.30 date ive ever seen. The small circle window, combined with a completely straight on horizontal viewing angle at 4.30 is an amazing execution.

@mezcalycafe8702 Ай бұрын

For you

@jwags24 Ай бұрын

Amazing watch, but I still don’t trust the movement. So unreliable.

@marioorozco6635 Ай бұрын

What's so unreliable about it?

@billmurphy893 Ай бұрын

It's all over the place. I have so many watches with the 6r movements so I can attest but I keep buying them anyway. @@marioorozco6635

@wingeren Ай бұрын

@@marioorozco6635 Nothing's unreliable about it. I have one and it runs in the same category of accuracy as my watches with ETA or Sellita movements, and probably a bit better than my Miyota-based watches.

@songoku-jx3cb Ай бұрын

I trust it with my life . Kidding don’t care about accuracy 😂

@barryelliott8203 Ай бұрын

It's 1200 euro ? Too much