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@laineylarsen2453 жыл бұрын
I had no idea people were even upset it didn't connect to the current TV series, I certainly didn't expect it to be. Thanks for the recommendations, I might give it a chance some time.
@Myne10013 жыл бұрын
I don't even know why they thought it would.
@nicholasdickens28013 жыл бұрын
Too much is changing and from a brand point of view it’s popular while the show today isn’t.
@Tanooki_Billy3 жыл бұрын
The Knight, The Fool and The Dead is great, highly recommend for anyone looking to get into TLV. It does end on a cliff hanger, but aside from that the bulk of the story is entirely standalone
@pious833 жыл бұрын
I do wish the show would go for this kind of experimental template, every once and a while.
@Deathlygunn3 жыл бұрын
Completely agree. I mean imagine if for the 60th they did a series spanning anniversary with every episode featuring a different Doctor (Or Doctor pairing - E.G. Eight and Twleve) facing a common threat that unravels across the season, and more plot threads opened or explored through the likes of Big Finish and Titan Comics, with the final episode (The 60th itself) seeing all the threads come together and paid off.
@robindavda89673 жыл бұрын
@@Deathlygunn that's a really cool idea
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
Welcome to the once.
@SuperWolsey3 жыл бұрын
Not with Chibnall and the dullards in Moore and Wenger about, they won't.
@paleoleft2 жыл бұрын
@@SuperWolsey this aged poorly
@calvinfranklyn54993 жыл бұрын
And I'm glad the Roger Delgado Master actually shows up in one of these. I often feel like the original is the least used in new Dr. Who media, and it bums me out. I feel like even the Eric Roberts version gets more coverage, and he was a briefly-seen, temporary body.* *I'm glad Roberts gets to do these, if he enjoys doing them. I just wish their original version of the character actually got to do stuff from time to time. And not just against the 3rd Doctor, on Earth, with UNIT there. The man has a TARDIS. The Ainley Master has faced several incarnations. Dreyfuss has met two or three in his brief involvement. Pretty sure Beevers has met all of them, or one day will.
@martintree10783 жыл бұрын
If you like the Roger Delgado master I cannot recomend the comic Doorway to Hell enough. It's a 12 story and one of my personal favourites for who comics in general. You should be able to get the collection on Amazon or panini
@calvinfranklyn54993 жыл бұрын
I really will have to get that! I love 12 so much. I read/watch/listen to an entire story arc of those two. Even if they were just buying groceries together. Anything, really. So nice to see Delgado acknowledged in the new stuff, even if only rarely. I'll be buying that. Thanks. 😎👍☀
@peterstangl82953 жыл бұрын
Wow, i didn't even know there was a backlash! Although i'm not following the fandom side of things, so not surprising.
@timrosswood42593 жыл бұрын
@Najawin What does political identity have to with this?
@thecheckpoint23 жыл бұрын
@Najawin Big Finish has done much more very left leaning work. I would suggest actually listening to what you're listening to. TiVi absolutely isn't "samey" and not doing anything new.
@thecheckpoint23 жыл бұрын
@Najawin The backlash I've seen have been from people obsessed with their (valid but come on guys, move on) criticisms of chibnall saying things like "this wont help poor ratings" "too little too late" and other things like "its not canon" which if you're on this channel, you know is absurd.
@timrosswood42593 жыл бұрын
@Najawin How does not wanting to pay make someone a leftist?
@thecheckpoint23 жыл бұрын
@Najawin Sorry, could you point me in the direction of clara being in big finish?
@carealoo7443 жыл бұрын
Wish they left it off for another year so Chris could actually be in it- Hopefully 🙃
@Joseph-uo3mx3 жыл бұрын
you never know, they could sneak him in somewhere. I think DT cameo in Legacy of time was recorded 3 weeks before release
@42ndLife3 жыл бұрын
"Timelord Victorious" is a 10th Doctor term and one that in my opinion works best with 10. I think 8 and 9 work well in this context because they can look on in dread to what they could become, while also reminding 10 of what he is slipping away from. As for 13, I think she serves well as an example that shows how The Doctor can still be redeem ever during this dark chapter of their life. As for as I'm concerned, each Doctor has their place & role within the story and I'm excited to see where events will take us.
@cdle0073 жыл бұрын
The nurse doesn't count.
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Still using tired Daily Mail insults from 2017? Nice
@willlauzon37447 ай бұрын
Hey I'm with him. The Nurse does not count. Or do Time Lords and Time Ladies not mean anything anymore?
@42ndLife7 ай бұрын
@willlauzon3744 How does gender at all matter? They are a race of infertile, shape-changing, semi-immortal aliens with god tier technology. Gender is nothing more than an anachronism in their society.
@adamfreddo57033 жыл бұрын
Been "watching" the comics on Beep The Meep's KZfaq channel. Amazing videos showcasing the comics (new and old) with backing music and intros and outros.
@gerryandersonisbest3 жыл бұрын
Genuinely surprised to hear people are harping on this. Okay yeah, I never really took a look at what other people thought (because I didn't and don't care) but when I first heard about this I was incredibly excited! So I just kinda assumed other people would be too (I dont usually find my opinion straying far from the majority). This is such a cool project and probably the only circumstance in which we'll see all the different licence-holders/creative teams come together like this to tell a consistent story - something I've always wanted but knew we'd never get as standard practice. And a potential benefit of not tying in with the show itself: less sense of a "time limit" within which to engage with it. If there were episodes airing on TV that tied into all this, I think a lot of people would feel pressured into getting as many of the books, audios etc. as possible before they aired in order to get the most out of it, which would be difficult for fans such as myself who need to save their money a bit more (damn that mortgage...) But without a TV element, I know I can go read/listen to whatever bits I'm interested in whenever it becomes convenient/affordable for me, even if that's, like, a year from now or something. The only stuff involved that does come with a sort of time limit would be the live events & escape rooms etc. but they don't feel as essential as the show's involvement would (plus I'm just not personally worried about those anyway, as cool as they look). This was a lengthier comment than I had planned but you get my point: I'm really into the idea of Time Lord Victorious and though I'd never even considered the idea of them doing a second one of these until Davis floated the idea here, the prospect of that is exciting too!
@CulturePhilter3 жыл бұрын
I love it. I wrote my university dissertation on trans-media storytelling so this whole event is right up my alley. I do hope they do a similar event again. Not EVERY year. But maybe every 3 or 4 years.
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Mine crossed into it briefly! And thank you for popping up, I keep forgetting to sub.
@___Me.3 жыл бұрын
Interesting. I'd like to read your dissertation (Sam's also) but I'm not really sure how to ask. Is yours on academia.edu? I'm asking in sincerity. Or if you want an email please feel free to ask.
@kamilee41233 жыл бұрын
Wait are people upset that this doesn’t directly tie into the TV series? The Expanded Universe stuff has been doing its own thing forever though, this isn’t new. And if this is people’s first exposure to the EU, um… welcome to the Doctor Who universe, where everything is made up and canon doesn’t matter lol.
@jacobredfield13863 жыл бұрын
Only Chibnill fanatics who plug there ears and shout "BIGOT!" at anyone who brings legitimate criticism against Chibnill's Doctor Who could possibly have a problem with past Doctors being revisited in new and exciting stories. Any _true_ Doctor Who fan is perfectly fine or at least ok with this upcoming series of stories.
@TheRealUnkn0wn_2893 жыл бұрын
The probelem is timelord victorious is just nothing and really weak
@PhillipRottingham3 жыл бұрын
That's what I love about Doctor Who. You can take it one story at a time or you can take them all. In fact earlier this year I got back into Doctor Who by just picking out episodes at random to watch. It's quite fun to go from a different Doctor or different series without feeling like you have to watch every single episode in the order they were released.
@ImJeSsYMaRtY3 жыл бұрын
This reminds me of what Star Wars is doing in January with the high republic era
@SuperWolsey3 жыл бұрын
More like what Star Wars did before The Phantom Menace. They done the multimedia event thing before
@popcrazyfishProductions3 жыл бұрын
only the who fanbase is being nice to the bbc about the event compared to the backlash we already seen from the star wars fanbase to disney
@zbaksh1013 жыл бұрын
I dug the 8th doctor big finish stories so far. I'm looking forward to the new 10 series on Big Finish. I wouldn't mind if 13 got a special tying into it down the road.
@astrocat34343 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that 13 has a more limited role. After the train wreck of the last two seasons i don't need to see anymore of her.
@Traykartheswift3 жыл бұрын
Daleks! Is pretty neat, I vibe with it.
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Same, actually. I underestimate how much i love them as main characters. Though I do think Briggs is carrying the entire production.
@unrealcows3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I'm absolutely loving tlv, it's so much I've wanted from the franchise, Dark 10, Doctor vs doctor, Brian the ood. For the next event I'd love to see various doctors travel to a universe where various masters have won. They're so good when there on top.
@paulyoung56413 жыл бұрын
Time Lord Victorious is designed for those of us (most of the fandom) feeling doctor who withdrawal symptoms after giving up half way through or at the end of series 11. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that the 13th doctor only got a cameo. After Chibby absolutely destroyed the legend of Doctor Who, Stephen Cole saw the vacuum it created within the fan base, Time Lord Victorious is an attempt to fill that vacuum. I don’t know who has the rights to use the thirteenth doctor but if they don’t, they’re probably telling BBC that they can keep it right away from TLV. Some executive probably insisted on the cameo as to avoid looking like they’re avoiding it... which is clearly what they are doing. TLV is a tasty Nostalgia Soup of previous doctors with a healthy base of GOOD STORY TELLING!!
@harryjackson22153 жыл бұрын
I’ve been waiting for this!!! Been loving time lord victorious
@EmotionalVortex3 жыл бұрын
Only read The Knight the Fool and the Dead and the Daleks animated series, but from the small amount of content that I've delved into, I'm thoroughly enjoying TLV. Cannot wait for All Flesh is Grass to come out, I might even consider getting into the comics as well.
@benmellenchip53923 жыл бұрын
Honestly this event has been a saving grace after how mixed the current Television run has been. Its honestly been really nice to follow and I find that each story isn't necessary to understand other than the BBC Books but each piece of media does tend to a nice detail or extra information to extend upon an element featured. Its honestly been a lovely experience for someone who generally enjoys the web of story approach were the bits of media you consume make the story bigger but still feel like you've got a complete story which is such a natural way of telling stories with a franchise that operates almost on a choose your own canon when it comes to its extended media. To put it more straightforwardly, absolutely loving it and generally can't understand the levels of hate its receiving. Its been a wonderful celebration of the unique story telling of Doctor Who that I hope will get another similar event around the next anniversary milestone and maybe some small scale ones inbetween.
@therogueprince37903 жыл бұрын
I didn't know there was any controversy. I'm from the US so Doctor Who isn't something I discuss with many people. That being said I was very excited for this event and at first I was a little disappointed with the Titan Comics thinking it would be my one and done contribution to the event. Then I jumped in with the 8th Doctor audios, which spawned a huge new addiction that I never knew I had. I'm a straight man but my god do I have a strange guy crush on Paul Mcgann. Anyway back on track, the more I started getting the audios and the DWM comics I could start seeing what the development of the event was unfolding into. I feel like the meat and potatoes of this event is probably going to be the two main novels and everything else is just going to further enhance it. Overall, I'm having blast with this event to the point I bought the tie ins on the comic creator app. Only thing is being in the states, the delay from UK release to US released is a bit rough. But I have about 20 8th Doctor Audios to hold me over until then. Cheers.
@mangycatgaming70113 жыл бұрын
I love everything about TLV!! I enjoy putting the pieces together x
@User-dn9iv Жыл бұрын
The only other franchise I could see doing something like this is maybe the marvel or DC comics, but then only over different comic runs, not over audio, escape rooms, and hidden messages under David tenants doormat like TLV. I think it's very cool 👍
@TombOfTheTelos3 жыл бұрын
I love that Who is nearly heading to 60 years and whilst you’ll have some angry man online that’ll say the franchise died, it’ll always try and dive into new things whether expanded or in the actual show, like for example the new games coming to xbox, PS4, VR will do well especially for Who’s younger demographic that may that be able to afford the more pricey big finishs and such, great video Sam as always
@titania77683 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love TLV so far. Its a massive story that is well written (as a whole) and well conceived as a concept. Waters of mars was always my favorite of the 10 era and to see that idea started there expanded into such a fun and engaging story is great. I love it and I’m sure most fans will to if they try it.
@DoctorWhoHome13 жыл бұрын
You literally summed up the argument for TLV, I am loving this, the stories are great and seeing it all heading towards All Flesh is Grass is exciting and I hav not been as excited for Doctor Who in a long time. As for TEnnant, people need to stop bashing him! He is a fan favourite, yes shoehorning him into the thirteenth doctor ranges is a bit much but stuff like TLV and Dalek Universe are HIS story and youre right its those mediums just being successful! f you dont like it dont bring everyone else down is what I say. Great video!
@michelecastellotti9172 Жыл бұрын
i agree, whittaker isnt a bad doctor, she just needed good direction... and better scripts... and better stories...
@jamesdunne85043 жыл бұрын
I was wondering - what are your thoughts on the Daleks! series?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
As a huge animation fan, I'm just continually disappointed that good animation and Who haven't found one another since 2007. I'll watch them, because I love solo Dalek stories. But it paiiins me.
@jamesdunne85043 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis Couldn't have said it better myself. Personally, I like to close my eyes and pretend I'm listening to Big Finish.
@Caredroia3 жыл бұрын
I feel like DW:TLV - Is an apology for season 11/12. Moffat was happy for making BIG FINISH cannon. DW is in a terrible state at the moment. Chibnal can't tell a story (without a co-writer) to save his life. Children of Time made Jodie the 10015th Doctor (remember John Hurt and 10.5 Tennant)...Stealing another Race's time machine...making normal viewers not care if she dies (because she won't, she'll just regenerate into DR 10016th) and upsetting most fans with a Bad Retcon by a hack writer. That's why the viewership is in the toilet. From 13million-4million in 21 episodes is a record. BBC killed their cash-cow, not many people buying new books or classic DVDs now. For the fans who love the last 2 seasons, I'm glad someone is getting some worth from the millions of taxpayers who paid for it (including myself) now the franchise has been truley burried from the inpact of the crash from grace...I give it 5 years and a reboot later, for the BBC to be given any praises for this once great institution, and to see profits again!
@Joseph-uo3mx3 жыл бұрын
I don't get it. why should it include the 13th (even though she actually is in it)? Why should it link up to the TV show?
@aceyspud5513 жыл бұрын
That it doesn’t connect to the current run is why I like it XD
@CamCamLane3 жыл бұрын
I wasn't planning on reading the Titan comics until I found out they were about £3 each on the kindle app.
@melindaphantom94503 жыл бұрын
I mean the whole thing leaves me confused, but then just thinking about doctor who in general does that. I'll most likely consume any tlv media that comes my way as well I like Doctor Who so I'm not gonna bitch about more new who, especially as something as wack as this because it's wack, but I love it
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Chronological order is overrated
@scotaku45313 жыл бұрын
*Checks to see if James Goss wrote "The Sky Man."* Okay he did, cool, TLV's probably super fucking good.
@radioactivecheesenowinnucl47463 жыл бұрын
Yooo someone else who loves The Sky Man! One of my favourite Time War stories.
@garrettjewell93353 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you back. Was starting to miss your videos. Do you have a favotite story from the TLV so far? I was pleasantly surprised by Master Thief and Lesser Evils. Getting yet another Delgado regeneration story was great. Got any theories on how this will all end?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
So far it's Monstrous Beauty, but I have high hopes for the novels.
@TheShadowchiefstudio3 жыл бұрын
I don't think TLV is bad, but your comparison to Marvel is pretty apt in all the bad ways, it's just... Way too much at once, it's overstuffed and dare I say intimidating . Look at the other larger franchise doing a large multimedia launch, Star Wars with the High Republic. They're doing it in phases, the first being three novels, a short story, a VR experience and 2 ongoing comic series. We get one big release, then a break until the next big drop. If TLV were more spaced out, it wouldn't be as bad, but right now it reaks of the kind of event fatigue expected at DC or Marvel, Marvel especially with The King In Black and X of Swords hitting not too long after their last big crossover.
@just__alexa3 жыл бұрын
Question where have you gathered all of Doctor Who music that plays in the background of your videos?
@0907GC3 жыл бұрын
When this entire event wraps up, you best do a complete retrospective of how it all ties together and what the plot is and what you need to read and what to skip etc etc. You’re the only one I trust
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh others will be better capable of that
@LisaBeta-429 ай бұрын
Let's ask James Goss - it is HIS brainchild: did all entrusted authors deliver as planned?@@SamyulDavis
@calvinfranklyn54993 жыл бұрын
The Daleks! webisodes seem great so far, if you ask me.
@spaceman50173 жыл бұрын
I haven't gotten into any non-tv doctor who yet but I'll probably just read the books and the comic, mainly because I can afford a 20 box set form big finish. Although still need to watch more classic who as I've only watched the 4th doctor stuff.
@user-jn1wm3tb8v3 жыл бұрын
I'd recommend finishing off Classic then doing the Free Fifty(the first fifty main range Big Finish stories are all free on spotify). If you want the comics you could read the old Doctor Who comics from the 60s-90s or the Titan Comics. The first are hard to get while the second are a bit hit-and-miss.
@spaceman50173 жыл бұрын
I'll have to get account they BitBox to watch it then (which is the only reason to get one). I really need some good doctor who content as I'm done with the new show now ( or until chibs leaves).
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
You can jump between classic and BF for the most part, but yes- agreed. Jealous you can experience them for the first time.
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
Thankfully Big Finish aren’t doing any boxset a for TLV. Their contributions are all singular stories and there’s only 4 of them (5 if you count the escape room prequel but I doubt it’s that important to the overall story)
@kurumais3 жыл бұрын
well there are fans that are COMPLETIONISTS, and i am like that with comics and book series. and 8th doctor audios. im not really a collector though.
@darkwillalex3 жыл бұрын
I wholeheartedly agree. The Titan Comics of the 13th Doctor are great. Which is super sad, considering how poorly written the actual show is... 😔
@menwithven28623 жыл бұрын
People mad because chibbers can’t do hype.
@TheseUseless3 жыл бұрын
Chibsy can't do much at all.
@SuperWolsey3 жыл бұрын
Because Chibnall is shit. Always has been always will be.
@kennethraymondmoore Жыл бұрын
@@TheseUselessWell, you certainly can't state an original idea, so people in glass houses and all...
@verraguid Жыл бұрын
or do the first woman doctor justice
@squidwardtortellini28273 жыл бұрын
The only other thing i know that successfully pulled this multimedia event off was star wars shadow of the empire
@yaboipie58613 жыл бұрын
The good old days
@julessamuels45883 жыл бұрын
You do be forgetting the original Clone wars multimedia project though.
@mattevans43773 жыл бұрын
Time lord victorious is better than the current show: Change my mind.
@matthewduncan85233 жыл бұрын
Lets be honest, all the people complaining about TLV are either Jodie fans who have literally no idea how licensing or even expanded media works or are people who decided they didn’t like who back in series 12 and just hang about to hate on t
@Ben-vf5gk3 жыл бұрын
@DAVIS So what is it about the 13 in the novels and comics that works better for you? In one video you mentioned that it unlike her predecessors she's not as good as talking her way out of situations but tbh I see that in the show. And where would you place this version of 13 on a scale of Capaldi- Davison?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
She's just wholly her own thing. Stories fit a different tempo and take on a more unpredictable, open and even leisurely plot. I'd say Davison, except for the fact that outside of tv he's gone up in my books. It has the freshness that I wanted from Chibnall.
@Ben-vf5gk3 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis Have you listened to Circular Time?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-vf5gk Circular Time, Nekromanteia and the Kingmaker namely were the ones that finally proved to me that BF saved 5 more than they did 6.
@Ben-vf5gk3 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis...Aside from the Cricket afterlife maybe you can drop Nekromantia
@starhound93543 жыл бұрын
@@Ben-vf5gk Why drop Nekromantia?
@millievariants2 жыл бұрын
All flesh is grass might be my favourite Who novel. I have reread it several times which is exceedingly rare for me because most of my books I haven’t read once. It’s just an awesome multi Doctor story with some neat Dalek moments.
@SamyulDavis2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad it's someone's favourite
@adammyers73833 жыл бұрын
I guess the main thing is that I just don’t understand how it works. I was completely under the impression it was ALL important before I just watched this video.
@fervantfox03513 жыл бұрын
I’m really enjoying the time lord victorious stuff and well I think it’s a good thing to come out after series 12. It reminds us of just how fun and well unique doctor who can be sometimes. The whole concept of the events really interested me. Decent on the whole but I still have a few more things to experience in it.
@minecrafter20053 жыл бұрын
Happy 57th aniversary!
@HashbrownMashup3 жыл бұрын
Maybe I'm just a completionist bastard who's missing the point but f'real where's a good read/watch order for all this mess.
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
Here: www.reddit.com/r/doctorwho/comments/ip1sp4/time_lord_victorious_complete_timeline_for_each/? More of a timeline for the individual doctors but it should help
Maybe the show will do something to tie into this in season 13
@keelanbarron9283 жыл бұрын
I know this is slightly off topic, but since there are audio stuff in this event i think it's relevant: anyone else wish that the audio stuff was made into animated episodes? (I personally want this because audio only is a medium that i just can't do. I need something visual for a story to work for me. So until that happens, i can't experience any of these great stories at all.)
@radioactivecheesenowinnucl47463 жыл бұрын
A lot of people seem to want animations of Big Finish audios, but they're something I'm personally completely against. I feel like making animations of Big Finish audios takes away a big layer of charm with audio: the ability to visualise the story in one's own way with one's imagination. If Big Finish started animating their audios, it could be seen as them presenting a "correct" depiction of the story, rather than allowing the listener to visualise the story in their own way. Also, animating audio stories would be waaaaay less financially sustainable than just recording the audio, and I imagine would seriously screw up Big Finish's ability to make as many stories as they do. I can somewhat understand where you're coming from, but I personally don't think turning Big Finish audios into official animations is a good idea.
@robertk21943 жыл бұрын
Love Yr bids DAVIS
@badwolf663 жыл бұрын
Is that the Deus Ex music in the background? I am enjoying hat I am seeing and reading so far (mostly Dalek stuff)
@drjoshfox3 жыл бұрын
*died waiting for more 11th Doctor content*
@tarponpet3 жыл бұрын
I loved the Daleks seires!
@kurukurushuffle3 жыл бұрын
People are just mad because the main narrative comes from the novels and everyone knows 90% of Who fans are illiterate.
@stevenbaxter90992 жыл бұрын
The cost of the whole thing put me off
@youtubeaccount6973 жыл бұрын
It chose the worst year to launch
@carealoo7443 жыл бұрын
At least its stuff to look at while we're stuck in this pandemic bull crap..
@pgaven9396 Жыл бұрын
I picked up rhe VR game
@lukebrennan84053 жыл бұрын
holy shit i just realised i missed you
@yaboipie58613 жыл бұрын
I'm out here just hoping for more doctor who funko pops, so many characters they could do than what they did do.
@jedisalsohere3 жыл бұрын
I quite like it too. Something different for once.
@radioactivecheesenowinnucl47463 жыл бұрын
This is exactly why I prefer to experience Doctor Who as this great big multi-media franchise, rather than just the TV series. I hate where Chibnall's taking things, but I've absolutely loved every second of Time Lord Victorious, even if my wallet hasn't. (I've bought every story barring the Road to the Dark Times DVD and the Brian t-shirt).
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
I think the marketing has been both inspired and utterly shit. Doctor Who's extended media has an undeniable reputation of being impenetrable. It's big, it's lore-heavy, and it's scary. Whilst the marketing for Time Lord Victorious has had some genuine ingenuity put into it (it's not that hard, BBC), I feel more scared off than ever. Shame, because from what I've heard, James has gone some distance to ensure this new branch of the franchise is accessible and understandable to _any_ level of fan. I think if you're already an avid comic/novel/audio consumer, this is your wet dream. But as someone whose only now getting into the VNAs, I can't see myself hunting down graphs, piecharts and timelines for Time Lord Victorious. I'm too _scareddddd._
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Hunting down graphs and timeline charts isn't a requirement though. You can pick up any of these like a normal Doctor Who story and get a story with no more distracting you than usual. You know those action figure lines where each figure comes with a separate body part? So that once you get the whole range you can put together another big figure? You still get what you pay for, with extra if you're so inclined! I don't think these are complaints that general fans would run into. It's just more Doctor Who, it's only an issue to completionists and collectors in my eyes.
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis - as far as I can tell, there's a disconnect between marketing and product here. They're so keen to sell Time Lord Victorious as an epic-scale, multi-media-plaform event, that's it's coming across as more dense than perhaps it actually is.
@elonmusket56763 жыл бұрын
I mean I'm fine that jodies not in it
@harryjackson22153 жыл бұрын
I could go for another 30 time lord victorious esq events
@ghostlygooze3 жыл бұрын
We missed ya
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
@jjk281419843 жыл бұрын
I’ve been perfectly happy to keep Time Lord Victorious as far away from the Current TV show. Also in Big Finish’s Masterful (I haven’t finished it yet) the Simms Master at least thinks he’s killed the 13th Doctor. He refers to the Doctor as “she”
@mathieuleader86013 жыл бұрын
the Faction Paradox makes a comeback
@thelonggame95833 жыл бұрын
but they are in it tho
@mathieuleader86013 жыл бұрын
@@thelonggame9583 I said that they returned in this line
@thelonggame95833 жыл бұрын
@@mathieuleader8601sorry i read it as "hope they make a comeback", sry
@cordellheathman57483 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, what? How do they tie into all of this?
@SuperWolsey3 жыл бұрын
No Lawrence Miles, no care
@mujiescomedy2793 жыл бұрын
Ok, I mean, you get A story by just reading some of it, but you only get the COMPLETE story by seeing the whole event. I'm not saying it's not still good on its own, but it's not right to say that people who don't get to view the live event don't have valid criticisms. Imagine if the UK got TV shows years after the US. Oh wait, that happens, and it's crap. It sucks that Time Fracture is only in London, but hopefully they have it filmed, unlike the escape room, which is purely for rich people, because who else can afford an escape room?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
It's a collection of stories. They each are complete stories with extra context added on.
@mujiescomedy2793 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis that’s the same with doctor who too though. It’s technically a collection of stories and you don’t need to watch every episode, but it would still suck if they didn’t have say gridlock in one country. Like I said, I think it’s fine if they film Time Fracture or whatever, but that actually seems to be a relatively big part of the story, so it would seriously suck if only a few people were able to see it
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
@@mujiescomedy279 I get you, I just also really doubt it.
@stephenbutterfield82553 жыл бұрын
Our lord Davis is back but are we worthy? Well i know i am but there are a few undesirable in this comment section..................... Cough cough nightowl cough cough
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you too, Stephen.
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
What have I done now? Knew it'd be me.
@stephenbutterfield82553 жыл бұрын
@@nightowl8477 your not epic like me. Also using the word C**n is not cool bro
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
@@stephenbutterfield8255 - my friend got called that slur the other day, I only feel worse now
@stephenbutterfield82553 жыл бұрын
@@nightowl8477 Oh bro that sucks. Your weren't being offensive on purpose so don't feel bad.
@XiscoLozdob3 жыл бұрын
I never had any doubt it would be good, and was astounded that people were moaning there wasn't enough information about it - maybe it was because it wasn't out yet! My only gripe is that the mainline event isn't performed (Big Finish) and it's instead prose. Hopefully next time it can be. And it can also include 13 (like 11 was included in Destiny of the Doctor in 2013, but better done). As much as I enjoy it, this era has really dropped the ball when it comes to adjacent media. By this point in Capaldi's era, there were 8 original audiobooks released already.
@Joseph-uo3mx3 жыл бұрын
what is that clip from 4:55 from?
@TheRealUnkn0wn_2893 жыл бұрын
Who even knows about timelord victorious
@SorchaSublime3 жыл бұрын
im just pissed that the vr game is getting a non vr sequel.
@tv6thdoctor9462 жыл бұрын
Can’t wait for time fracture!
@blobfish57303 жыл бұрын
Personally, I just feel that this is way to complicated and expensive. I'd respect it more if it was perhaps only some books, comics and audios, but I do not know where to start with all the different mediums and Doctors and timelines. I think that if you don't follow TLV very closely and pay attention to everything, you're going to have a very hard time digesting all of this.
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
I've only read 2 comics and heard an audio and I feel satisfied from 3 separate, solid stories with little, organic details that I can see impacting other stuff without explanations needed. The novels seem to be the only big link.
@blobfish57303 жыл бұрын
@@SamyulDavis That seems a bit better to be honest. I've read Monstrous Beauty from DWM and I was worried that everything else would have a very strict reading order
@Ryanthedoctor113 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the Blu-Ray isn't available in America
@lokimitchell95053 жыл бұрын
Honestly I was really excited for it until I realized it wasn't available for me to buy.
@Ryanthedoctor113 жыл бұрын
@@lokimitchell9505 so was I, I have scowered the internet looking for it, even though it's all available on britbox and HBO Max I'd still like to own the collection, it's really cool
@thelonggame95833 жыл бұрын
@@Ryanthedoctor11 a British show caters for British people living Britain, should of been British Ryan
@Ryanthedoctor113 жыл бұрын
@@thelonggame9583 it's not my fault I was born in America, the BBC knows it has American fans who watch this show, and would be interested in this collection, I wish they would release it here so those people (myself included) could watch it
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
If it helps, there's no interesting menu, extras or physical stuff inside- it was just good for me who doesn't have streaming or the blruays :)
@frizzlewho913 жыл бұрын
1st come 1st served
@Lone_Cyberman_Productions3 жыл бұрын
Broke cannon?
@TheJoelMH3 жыл бұрын
Can’t break what’s already broken
@ITSMeatMan3 жыл бұрын
I see your copy of Little Miss Sunshine!
@shortangel3333 жыл бұрын
Honestly, with this Timelord Victorious stuff, I was all for it when they announced it, the waiting game is not fun but at least when the audios, animated youtube series, books, comics, etc, are released they are fun and bloody great. The Daleks are real highlight and I really like the 8th Doctor audio element so far. I'm just glad that's there is more Doctor Who content to enjoy especially since the TV show won't be back for a good while and there are fewer episodes in Series 13 (Thanks Covid :( ).
@Cybermat473 жыл бұрын
People are criticising TLV for giving us new content from old Doctors? Seriously?
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Yep....
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
tHiRtEeNs sO sHiT tHeY hAd tO dIg uP tEnNaNt. It's been a tough year for actors, and for the likes of Chris and David, I imagine audio is quite appealing. All there is too it. Bad timing? Maybe, but who can complain? _nerdrotic glares through black-rimmed scepticals._
@nightowl84773 жыл бұрын
@Najawin - nahhh. I'm sure the BBC were happy to have Doctor Who's name in the public eye more, but I honestly don't think this has anything to do with the decline of the show.
@Thermodynamische3 жыл бұрын
Hi someone call me?
@babaracus95833 жыл бұрын
Imagine wasting money on big finish Tennant audios and not just saving up for the real doc man Eccleston
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
We still got a long wait for that stuff though so we might as well
@babaracus95833 жыл бұрын
@@EditedAF987 have you the prices for those boxsets?!
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
@@babaracus9583 yeah, £20 for the download and £25 for the cd (excluding postal fees). The first boxset isn’t coming out until May so I’d reckon that 4-5 months is plenty of time to save up for it even if you indulge in the TLV stuff.
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
@Najawin oh well in that case save away, especially considering the limited quantity
@Vol-Tear3 жыл бұрын
Glorious ;p
@thoranzalarvhazen42503 жыл бұрын
Ew! You got your ood lore in my sci-fi!
@britanimations20023 жыл бұрын
I still don't completely agree with you. On many fronts I mean I'm a Whittaker fan til I die, but more specifically I'm talking about how some of this TLV content is locked off. "You get as much out of TVL as you put into it" lovely sentiment and all, unfortunately I don't have the money to sink into a train ticket to London and then the ticket for the Time Fracture event, as much as I'd kill to see it. I don't have a problem with picking and choosing what parts of the story you engage with, my only problem is that the pay wall for some of it can be very expensive, and in the case of Time Fracture, can only really be enjoyed once in a life time.
@bigimp54853 жыл бұрын
would anyone mind another wilderness era? I personally wouldn’t
@Lalerato3 жыл бұрын
Doctor having breakdown makes sense for his/her character
@starhound93543 жыл бұрын
We'll never get another wilderness era.
@william...13 жыл бұрын
@Najawin nopeee. if it was to take a break (which it wont), why on earth would we want moffat’s cronies back? it’ll just start becoming another moffat era and it’ll feel repetitive
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
Was Moffat one of Davies' cronies?
@william...13 жыл бұрын
@Najawin i know but it’s precisely the reason that Gatiss wasn’t selected as showrunner - he seemed like the perfect candidate but the bbc didn’t want to feel like a stick record. there’s just a chance that having old writers could lead to repetition. i do really like the episodes they wrote for 12 , but i just want a clean clean slate.
@texasscifi34313 жыл бұрын
Gotta pull out crossing over with 10 to save the series. Why. Because Russel T Davies era rocked from good writing and the current writing is a dumpster fire. Bringing in other creators is the savior of the series.
@tinykemper25613 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I've loved TLV so far, the book especially was really good and I felt it added a lot to the end of time, and 10 as whole, and I seriously disagree with anyone says it's just a big marketing scheme.
@CableFF7Forever3 жыл бұрын
One of the big reasons why it's 8, 9 and 10 as well is because Jodie just doesn't sell. This isn't biased or anything but it's pretty obvious that BBC has realized in order to make Jodies incarnation sell, they have to peer her with David Tennant. I mean look at the game that is coming out soon? Bit of a shame really, before Timeless Child Jodie was the perfect Doctor for children
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
The BBC isn’t in charge of the expanded media companies though. They just give them a licence and they do whatever they want with it. Also I heavily doubt that children are the expanded media’s target audience, a lot of it feels like it’s marketed more towards the hardcore neck beards with the shelves filled with classic dvds
@CableFF7Forever3 жыл бұрын
@@EditedAF987 children are always the market. Doctor Who will forever be seen as a child friendly show. Children are the most profitable market as well and it is also why a lot of the material in Time Lord Victorious is standalone
@EditedAF9873 жыл бұрын
@@CableFF7Forever have you ever encountered a child that has delved into the expanded media? It’s not very well marketed stuff unless you know specifically where to look, it uses a lot of obscure lore in it’s stories, can take on unconventional and confusing story structures, be a bit more violent or adult than the main show and in the case of big Finish, be a bit expensive. None of this really screams accessible to children to me. I’d only really expect children to have read some of the BBC books at the most and those generally tie into the current series and Doctors more and don’t rely on many pre established enemies or lore.
@CableFF7Forever3 жыл бұрын
@@EditedAF987 I mean I personally delved into the books when I first started watching which was when I was 7 and DAVIS himself said he listened to Big Finish growing up. I mean sure I totally get not every child is gonna delve head first into that stuff but I think you are underestimating how far children will go to get their hands on any media for a beloved show or property
@SamyulDavis3 жыл бұрын
@@CableFF7Forever I tried to. Found it very alienating. The other mediums aren't so much for kids. In reach or content.
@dcwatcher46443 жыл бұрын
Can’t they just bring back David and do this on tv as like a mini series
@jeckjeck31193 жыл бұрын
How can Chibnal not want to make comics, books, and audios canon? Where is his whovian passion!!!?????
@kanashimi43563 жыл бұрын
Canon has never mattered with Doctor Who, thats part of the beauty of it, even trying to make sense of the new series "canon" alone is near enough impossible after a certain point, let alone the whole franchise.
@jeckjeck31193 жыл бұрын
@@kanashimi4356 Amen to that.
@thelonggame95833 жыл бұрын
@@jeckjeck3119 Well the tv series ties into novels and audioes and audioes tie into novels and comics so technically it is cannon
@SuperWolsey3 жыл бұрын
He only has the passion to whinge and inflate his own hype. The man is a flake, no more a flake like Seth Graeme-Smith