There are reasons that counteracts your arguments about the size. Main reason for making them bigger: Room for more stuff. Sounds stupid, but its really not in this case. Let me elaborate. "More stuff" mostly being things you don't see on tanks like void shields and massive generators for powering the weapons. Now logics would say, as you do WesHammer, "but the more stuff the more weight, soon it wont be able to move." ... but there is a missed part here. - due to their size they can and probably have various types of antigrav generators to make them lighter, because, again size means more armor, more stuff and massivly more weight - that you can to a degree counteract with said antigrav tech. And we know that the Imperium has pretty advanced anti- and grav tech. Some of which are far beyond what most of the other factions use, for instance grav weapons. So about the size, sure there is a point in which making them bigger doesn't carry over any real benifits. But its probably when you go over the 300 meters some lore seems to go with. Up to that point, anti-grav tech might just make them viable despite being gargantuan.

Pretty sure star trek uses some space magic as well 😂

No sorry female space marines aren't a thing and should never be. The sisters of battle are so much cooler then space marines but the gender ideologs don't actually care about representation or the hobby itself. They just want to shove political opinion where it doesn't belong. Equity is the desolation of innovation.

Cheers, Wes, fun vid that voiced lots of the obvious and not so obvious questions. And reminds us it’s all based on a game, people. Now I wanna build a cos play one. Cheers!

I mean, they’d f#ck up your veg patch if they came stomping through. I imagine the compensation forms would keep you busy with the Administratum Beuracracy for decades. You big metal bastard, that’s my prize turnips! Oh but thanks for annihilating those Tyranifs…….

I basically want to 3d print and Imperator upper half to use as a Gaming table

if not fighting on the outside surface could be similar to a space hulk scenario but not just tyranids and terminators. Even add in some rng for missed shots causing bad things like coolant system goes offline like Aliens.

If you're considering paying thousands of dollars just to use a model as terrain.... I'm genuinely concerned you may be addicted to the plastic lol

I’ve thought about building my game table or part of it as the back of a titan

Get your 4 year old to rampage the table for the same result

xD*

That warranted a like for the video

You gotta put it together like Exodia

Speaking only about Emperor class titans, there are at best a literall hand full of them known to exist in M41, so I have no clue as to how much their different places of origin might play a role. Talking Titans in general tho, I like the idea of different patterns resulting in different sizes for the same designation.

Then you get into the debacle of the STCs. They’re not easy to modify and they’re literally the blueprint.

Some work in centimetres, some in inches 😅

@@Daedricbob The American Forge Worlds are renown for their Titans, but nobody trusts them for anything else as the only other time they were contracted to make something, the Bolters produced were far too large for the Space Marines who commissioned them. ‘My lord, the specifications said 120”’ ‘I MEANT CENTIMETERS NOT INCHES!’

I see no problem with 10km tall titans overcoming the impossibility of their design by not sinking into the ground or other circumstances that would happen in reality. They are God machines after all. If orcs can make a giant pile of garbage fly, why can't the omnissiah make a titan walk.

Momma always said "Big Iz Gud"

They could always just make it a really expensive collectable that doesn't have any rules. Honestly the biggest problem is probably on the sculptor; something so big and intricately detailed would require a sculptor months of continuous work (which would probably be better spent on making minis for literally anything else). Not to mention the amount of material itself and the logistics of shipping it out. That's a lot of resources just for something relatively few people would even buy.

I don't see the point other than to build it, paint it, then Display it. Bringing that to an actual table top game though? No. Not even if you play on the floor. Unless you're literally using it AS terrain setting, that's just too massive for the game itself. Transporting it would suck, likely to the point where you just leave it where the games are hosted. It'd be more trouble than it's actually worth.

Like I said above, just sell an Emperor Titan costume, complete with a rule set. That way instead of trying to field a 6 to 7 ft tall resin model. You've just got your buddy standing on the table in a costume while you roll the bucket full of dice needed for every attack. 😂

Make it to scale based on a Marine Model and I am in!

Your comment just gave me what I think is one of the coolest ideas ever… a scale emperor class titan, like one of the ones with the cathedrals, but instead of cathedrals, have your table top for playing 40k… huh? Maybe even have cathedrals that can cover the playing surface when not in use so it looks cooler when not doing anything… now I want one! Lol 😂

Fax! I also get confused how they can be such a threat later on in the heresy with so many casualties? Night lord casualties on pharos would have crippled the legion but no, they were a massive threat in the seige of terra. A whole continent spanning conflicts and the biggest legion numberd 200k maybe less legioners?? In my head cannon all he legions numbered 500k astartes except the ravenguard and salamanders and my brain stays sane

scale overall is depicted rather terribly and i dont understand why.

I wish they capped Legions at 10k Space Marines are not foot soldiers they're more like tier 1 special forces imagine sas & delta but with geneseed

Yeah, like some apocalyptic scale conflicts, that have less soldiers on the entire planet than WW1 armies had in one battle.

Space marine legion size in comparison to the size is Imperium of man is absurdly low for what it is lol. I remember watching an old video somewhere that talk about this ratio and compared it with the U.S Military. I think came out as much less, i think less than 1/6th, than what the U.S military have in terms of special forces in comparison to the total population of the United states, which ultimately comes to conclusion that the astro-militarum and space marine needs to be much, much bigger for it all to makes sense. And games workshop is really, really bad with numbers and ratios lol.

Heretics will deny

When a tech priest walks in with a bionic waist and speaks binary in your face you get sprung.

I’m assuming each house and each different forge world, all have their own variations. Just like how there’s a thousand different variations of Lasgun, and the only way to differentiate them at a glance is through their name which is the world where they’re made from.

@@SordidusFellatioeven at that old Rita it’s are a bastard of a dark age titan . So who know with darkage tech what the upper limit would be for a Titan .

@@SordidusFellatioThey have to be a minimum internal volume for the voidship grade components, which makes the idea that an Imperator is 50m to the head laughable.

This! So much this. That is one of my core 40k memories, and anyone telling me otherwise is inherently wrong.

​@@DackelDelayplease don't say tsmt unironically lol

And? It’s never stated they had leg room

What a rough ride

That would be cool

“We struck a blow to the shoulder and felt victory as it collapsed, then we realized that was not debris spilling down with the arm. It was pissed off space marines in the dozens. We knew we could not run fast enough to escape.” - Daemons their first “successful” attack on the machine

this!

"Emperor class: 100-150m (sky scraper size but believable enough for something called a god machine and the strongest ground based imperial weapon)" what kind of skyscrapers are you living with. big ben is 96m tall. An imperator should be the size depicted in the grand art, Notre-Dame d'Amiens is 113 m tall and something the size of that should be on its back so including the cathedral the thing should be atleast 500 meters tall ( which would still make it shorter than One World Trade Center which is 541m tall) in a world where buildings go multiple kilometers in every direction. "Warlord:60-80 (smaller then the emperor class but still big enough to demolish buildings)" it should be in 250-300 atleast again, a lot shorter than the imperator but still massive. Demolished buildings in 40k should be the size of city blocks according to lore. Reavers about 100m and scouts and that 30-40 range.

This seems right

​@@firmak2This! If an Emperor titian is large enough to be able to deploy tanks from it's feet and "Level entire citys" singlehandedly it should be large enough to see coming for at least a day ahead and just build dread in those people!

@@firmak2 Personally I think you're right about the Emperor's size estimations, however for the Warlord and below classes the smaller estimations kind of make more sense as they are relatively mass produced. Nothing wrong with having the smaller titans in range of 15-100m, then a lot of nothing, and then Emperors (which are few and far between) as truely massive engines.

how is the smaller scale more "realistic" ? given 40k lore and the state of technology if anything the larger size estimates are the more realistic ones especially given the descriptions of entire battles taking place on top of emperor class titans.

@@KT-pv3kl High silhouettes for ground combat vehicles are always a negative. There's a reason tanks aim for low profile. Big and tall just makes it easier for people to shoot. You can argue technology blah blah blah, but nothing changes the fact that the higher a target the more fire it takes that it can't answer.

@@QisforQadim which is entirely irrelevant for titans thanks to their void shields. but thank you for trying to make an argument.

@@KT-pv3klbecause they have to be transported via ship and landed and then recovered from planet to planet for deployment. The smaller estimates logistically make way more sense, even with the sizes of 40k ships

@@seandlax9 you just defeated your own argument by mentioning the absurd sizes of 40k ships. Adeptus Mechanicus lifter Barges are several kilometers long and can easily store SEVERAL titan legions at the same time, all the while being capable of landing and liftoff on pretty much any planet. plus the imperium doesnt do "sensible logistics" it drops cathedrals onto peoples heads to make a point! think of our own history for a second here and you will see how weak your own argument is. "stones need to be transported via ship using smaller stones to build the great pyramids make way more sense logistically"

I feel like Knights would be the city traversing monsters. Some mining excavators that we have In our current world are bigger than that, so I could definitely see Titans 40,000yrs from now being legit skyscraper sized

@@AaronBeSpeedy Absolutely agree.Although no reason a scout titan would not be able to use your appartment complex (or designated hab zone if you prefer) for cover. For a Warlord you might need a bigger bush tho, not to mention Emperor titans ;)

@@DackelDelay I was just thinking about this, and realized that "Scout" doesnt neccesarily mean "Stealthy" 😂 I think that Titans would only be used as scouts in situations where the enemy forces couldnt deploy enough firepower (or altogether lacked the firepower) to assault the Titan in any meaningful way. Titans of any size/designation are too valuable to risk on scouting missions where they wouldn't have the full weight of their friendly forces available to reinforce them. Just my thoughts though

@@AaronBeSpeedy >I think that Titans would only be used as scouts in situations where the enemy forces couldnt deploy enough firepower (or altogether lacked the firepower) to assault the Titan in any meaningful way. I THINK (its been a while since I read it) thats exactly what happens in the Forge of Mars series, where a bunch of titans were deployed in this manner; both to gather intel on a planet where there was little to no danger expected and to give the titans some fresh air (as they became restless during the long trip aboard the Speranza).

It totally does.

There is a genre out there called Science-fantasy, and what you are describing is one of the biggest ways to know when you are dealing with such. Universal consistent changing dependent on the situation, that is some fantasy narrative right there. It isn't just the presence of magic either, though that quickly changes constants, but flexibility with the physical laws themselves that marks fantasy. So what is it: Will a las gun go through a modern tank, or is it stopped by wet paper? Depends which wizard is writing the story today!

So basically gw doesn't give a wet fart about consistency and throws shit at the wall hoping it sticks

@slimjim877 Not exactly incorrect, GW doesn't care too much about consistency, because the universe was never created to be consistent, it was created to give people a chance to build their own armies, tell their own stories. That's what sets Warhammer aside from, say, Star Wars or Dune, which have exact answers to questions. In Warhammer, the questions are the point, to guide you to where you want to tell the story. That makes some people butthurt, but that's because they came into the hobby with wrong expectations.

This is not actually a good policy. When the reader is reading some dramatic scene, when they suddenly say "Hey, didn't lasguns/power armor/etc. work *completely differently* in that other story I read last week?" That moment of realization yanks you out of the narrative and reminds you that you're just reading a story. I will never understand this sense of brazen contempt for the concept of immersion, to the point that "my immersion" has become a punchline.

​@@dark7element And you're definitely entitled to that opinion, I'm just saying, it's funny that people are complaining about that NOW, when that's how Warhammer has worked even in the days of Rogue Trader. This is not new, and if it's annoying you now, Warhammer might not be the IP for you, or you can focus on the parts of the Lore that fit your preferred viewpoint and stick to those.

That’s heretic math… it reeks of the foul unreality of the Immaterium! He must redact himself, before he attracts the attention of the Ordo Calculus

One of the best games they ever released 👍

As a chick I can confirm. Anyone who doesn't is just a filthy heretic.

Hear hear, I mean those hulking machines are already carrying reality defying weapons like plasma cannons anyway so realism can be stretched out a little bit more. And we've terraformed entire planets and populated them with colossal cities. If the largest 40k titans are described as having enough firepower to take on whole continents, then the image of them parting the clouds and walking through mountain ranges fit the role more than smaller machines that can't even stand up to Godzilla in scale.

So much this. Throw in a bunch of Unobtainium armour and future-scifi-fusion-driven pistons and you got yourself a titan. Granted, the physics of soil stability should not change from real life now to fictional M41, so mobility certainly would an issue; however Emperor class titans are stated to be more of a mobile command post with enormous amounts of void shields, long ranged artilleries as offensive weapons and short ranged AA capeblilities as well as housing deployable ground troupes for close combat. So this would put emperor titans of about 300-500m (~1/4 mile) in "reasonable" territory or at least at a point where not too much suspension of disbelief is required. Also it would make the cathedral's size on their backs match today's real cathedrals (100-150m ish in height), overall enhancing realism and immersion. Also I don't really see why it would be impossible for smaller titans to exist; scout titans "just" a few stories tall don't contradict the existance of truely massive war engines. The only limiting factor I see is interplanetary transport, i.e. ship size. (Else why build a titan when a fortress would do?) So we are looking at something that would occupy a reasonable portion of a ship in the high single to low double digit kilometer range. That's length tho, no height. So yea, for my headcancon Emperor titans are about 300m tall.

I do hope they're ok. 😂

Lol now I want a scene in a book where a titan’s machine spirit refuses to wake up and go into battle because he’s sad 😂

I bet they are always pissed off

I'm just going to point out that your preferred knight height is roughly between 80-115 feet tall

@@unnamedenemy9 Why would you care about feet units though? We're not Hobbits.

@@CidVeldoril it's not about the units, it's about just *how stupidly massive* that is and how it doesn't jive with literally any depiction of knights. I'm just pretty sure that this guy doesn't actually understand how long a meter is.

I think a knight being roughly 30-45ft tall would make sense. A lot of the trees in my area are about that tall and Knights being as tall as trees makes sense in my head. I could see something that size still having fluid, natural looking movements

​@unnamedenemy9 so you automatically result to insults because I commented on what I think the sizes should be? It's not that deep bro...go outside, touch some grass, get laid or something 🤔

Bro you have mo titans mo problems

BASED AND GIANT ROBOT SCHMEX PILLED for mentioning DemonBane.

Pacific rim: **Pacific.Rim.Theme.mp4 intensifies**

"Gurren Lagann: Amateurs" lets be real here nothing ever matched gurren laggan in size.

Gurren Lagann got big enough to throw galaxies around. I'm pretty sure they're the biggest in scale.

Now you've mentioned Transformers, I really want to see how well an Imperator titan would do against Metroplex or Fort Max...

remember, every number in 40k times 10. So tallest is 1000 meters...

@@onlymatus5420rrrrriiiiggghhhttttt..…

@@onlymatus5420 Me when the 10 emperors make 200 primarchs

@@onlymatus5420 Cadians are 60 feet tall...

@@averageeughenjoyer6429 imagine 10 warmasters taking 90 primarchs and besieging 10 imperial palaces...

Yeah, I realize now that I misread the original post. I'll probably make a joke out of it in my next video

@@weshammer that’s why you’re the man! 😁

One day😢

There is one; look for the Adeptus Titanicus for Pc, only has the Imperium campaing but in skirmish or multiplayer you can use Chaos Titans

Well in its own way there is a mobile game where you play as a titan. But its on mobile so yeah…..

$$$$$$$$