Out here interacting for the rithms

The part about lighter bcg vs lighter buffer doesn't make sense to me. Spring preload has to do with the amount of compression percentage/ force required, not the weight of the thing compressing it. Removing a certain amount of weight from the bcg vs the buffer should have the same effect except for weight distribution overall.

@@MattiSchroderus think inertia equations

i'm glad it was demonetized. you should be ashamed of yourself for peddling overpriced junk like this

What are you current thought on the HM Defense bolt?

This comment is so beautiful to me lol

They are called OCKS screws and have been around for quite a while. Sionics as well as Forward Controls have been using them for years. SOTAR def reinforcing quality stuff.

That's definitely a future possibility.

Yes let's make this happen.

Just do it!!! 😁

Not a solution really, just a performance option for those that want it. A spoiler or weight reduction kit isn’t needed to race, but it may help if you are pushing it.

Weight savings duude!

upgrade where the explosions happen then upgrade the rest from there

Icon Defense’s new BCG solves that problem by using an integral gas key (machined as a single piece with the carrier, so no screws necessary lol)

That's why all my BCGs are from SOLGW

It is a drop in part, aluminum BCGs are drop in ready.

Just got it, now to start testing

@@mhcaffey120 how it run brother ?

​@@user-wl1fm4iw3t It's so nice I bought another one. Ran my adjustable gas block (Aero) down 5 clicks and she shoots very soft now. Put it in my ar47. Just lowered my buffer weight to 1.5oz and about to do more testing.

Those are the Forward Controls OCKS screws. They’re standard on all our carriers.

FCD bought out the company that made those screws? Interesting.

Those screws are Optimized Carrier Key Screw (OCKS) made at Michiguns..

"Preloading" 🤣🤣🤣

In the words of Michael Scott...

@@WalkerDefenseResearch: "That's what she said."

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Yes, very much so.

Wrong, springs do not experience inertia, only mass does.

Who said inertia? Watch the video, he was talking about spring preload (not inertia) which is the force that pushes the carrier back into battery..The more weight and force pushing the carrier, the more force to strip cartridges from the magazine and push grit out of the way..The more gas/weight/spring strength, the more recoil force.. ..Not a real hard concept..@@thompsonjerry3412

Carrier mass and buffer mass do not have the same effect on carrier velocity. The higher the amount of buffer mass in relation to carrier mass the more the buffer slows unlocking and the initial velocity of the carrier. The movement of the mass in the buffer acts as a damper delaying and slowing the initial movement of the carrier.

Yes they do, the combined weight of the carrier and buffer is the force being cycled, which effects carrier velocity..It matters zero where the weight is placed. Buffer weight effect on dwell time is insignificant as stated in the Black Rifle book and the test done by by silencerco..Port location and the cam cut in the carrier is what effects dwell time. This is why LMT re-cut the carrier cam slot to allow more dwell time before unlocking with their improved M4 rifle... Otherwise LMT would have just added weight..This is a common myth that buffer weight effects dwell time, its effect is negligible..@@snek9353

Combine the lightweight BCG with a lightweight buffer.

I'm going to go against a lot of Gucci AR lore for a second: Your upper and lower are static chunks of aluminum. Assuming no manufacturing errors, your dirt cheap Anderson/PSA/Bear Creek Arsenal lower/upper receivers are just as good as the KAC/FN/LMT counterparts. They are static components, which are unchanging and unmoving. Their job is to handle the pressure of the controlled explosions of the cartridge firing and hold the moving parts in place. You can save a LOT of money on those two parts, which can then be spent on the actual important parts... the ones that move* (there's one exception to non-moving parts, we'll get there in a second, and I'm going to gloss over gas system because that's a needlessly over complicated debate that's an entire conversation in itself) For me, the most important components in an AR, from most to least important, are: bolt carrier group (BCG), trigger, barrel, and buffer assembly. Here's why: BCG: This is the engine that drives the AR. It takes the brunt of the force needed to cycle the action, extracts and loads rounds, and takes the most friction wear of any part in the system. This one part has the most points of failure; the extractor, the ejector, the cam pin hole, the locking lugs, the gas key, etc. If any of those fail, your AR is dead in the water. Plus, the cycling of the BCG wears on both itself AND your upper. Without proper lubrication, you reduce the tolerances that part and the upper. To that end, you need to consider the coating of the BCG in addition to regular lubrication/maintenance. Chrome lined is generally the gold standard for this reason, though there are other good options on the market. Be sure to do your research. If you want a great AR, start with a great BCG Trigger group: This is your most important physical interface with your AR. Trigger feel has a huge impact on your overall experience with the system. A great AR with a shitty trigger is a bad experience. Pull weight and reset are crucial. A 10lbs trigger pull sucks, and a vague reset makes follow up shots harder. On top of that, a milspec trigger assembly is an open system, which is more susceptible to outside particulates. A good open trigger + sand/dirt/mud/other = a bad trigger. I'd suggest a drop-in cassette trigger, as that will naturally shield the assembly from outside influence (we'll come back to the other soon) Barrel: probably self-explanatory. The barrel channels the expanding gasses onto the bullet. It also takes a lot of wear. A budget barrel will get you 5-10k rounds, a Gucci barrel will get you 20k+. Again, chrome lined is generally considered best, as it'll reduce wear. Twist is important as well. Generally, barrels on an AR are 1:7 (one bullet rotation per 7 inches of barrel travel) to 1:9 (one bullet rotation 9 inches of barrel travel). The smaller the second number, the "faster" the barrel. Generally speaking, faster barrels are better for heavier bullets. A 77 grain bullet will be more accurate out of a 1:7 than a 1:9, because the faster spin stabilizes the bullet better. If you plan to shoot heavier loads, get a faster barrel. Buffer assembly: this is the spring/ weight that handles recoil and sends the BCG forward. This is another wear part, but less wearing than the BCG. What's really important is the return speed. Too fast (read: light), and you add felt recoil. Too slow, and you risk failure to feed malfunctions. You can see this in action in the video. At lower gas levels, the spring tension is too strong for the returning gas from the gas block to overcome and the rifle fails to cycle. That's simple enough to understand, right? BUT, there's another catch: in a standard buffet assembly, the spring and buffer weight are held in place by a tiny retaining pin. Remember the "other" from the trigger assembly? This retaining pin is the other. This pin stops the buffer assembly from moving forward, meaning it takes the brunt of that force. Shoot enough rounds, and that pin will eventually sheer off. That pin can get into an open trigger assembly and render it useless. The JP silent capture buffer removed the need for this pin, as the entire buffer assembly is one unit that cannot extend past the buffer tube. It's a small detail... until it isn't. If your trigger gets jammed up on that pin, your AR is just a paper weight. A captured buffer like the JP removes that failure point, with the added benefit of smoothing out recoil. The charging handle is something nice to upgrade, but it's not something I'd change out first. Think about it, how often do you use that part? Once when you start shooting? You don't need it for reloads, that's what the bolt release paddle is there for. A good charging handle is a nice luxury, but it's just that... a luxury. If your operating an AR as the manual of arms is designed, you'll barely touch it. It's a part that good training can easily adapt to. If you train with a milspec charging handle, you'll get proficient with a milspec charging handle. A fancy charging handle won't make you any better at using the platform, it'll just make it *SLIGHTLY* easier. It won't make the platform more accurate or reliable, and it's barely a wear point. Anyway, hope my long, rambling tirade helps! Enjoy all your future tinkering!

The bolt itself is steel. The carrier is titanium. The lugs on this BCG are still steel.

@@Bane_Diesel it certainly would, the gas system needs to be finely tuned to account for the less mass moving, the less gas one wants to push the bolt home Too much gas can cycle the system too quickly and mess with the cycling. You definitely want an adjustable gas block to finely tune the system into an optimal flow

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Most of the high end ones are somewhere around $180-260, and this one is around $350. Cryptic's Mystic Black BCG is 260, and Sharp's XPB bolts are around 180-230, both being some top picks for premium BCG's with better quality steel and coatings.

@@boxlid214 Thank you!

@@doejohn8674 Cryptic's Mystic Black BCG and Sharp's XPB BCGs (both good products) are both steel underneath their coatings and weigh in at around 11+ oz. The carrier itself in our titanium BCG is grade 5 titanium beneath the DLC coating - the full BCG weighs only approx 7.8oz. It's best to compare among other titanium BCG's or low-mass BCG's. Titanium will always be more costly than steel and this is designed specifically to give you that ability to reduce your recoil, if used correctly.

@@WalkerDefenseResearchI think they were intentionally comparing apples to said oranges for frame of reference. No one knows anything about other titanium BCGs so they compare price points against high end steel carriers. Apparently.

Assuming it is dimensionally correct, the carrier is not getting the same stress and shear forces that the bolt itself is getting.

@@woodrowcall3158what this guy said ^

@@VSO_Gun_Channel ahhh, so the bolt itself is still steel? it all makes more sense to me now. Pretty sure I want 1 or 3 ;-)

@@woodrowcall3158 This. The bolt itself is steel, and while the substrate of the carrier is grade 5 titanium, it is DLC coated to further help with longevity.

You have 9lbs of reciprocating mass

The past two years I’d say that fixing 300blk rigs with

Yes. It's how all bearing and locking surfaces should interact. Otherwise one will wear and or peen.

The bolt is still steel. The carrier is titanium. The lugs on the bolt are still steel.

@@WalkerDefenseResearch ok. I kinda thought he said the opposite, that bolt was Ti. Thanks for clarifying.

That should remain unchanged.

The gas that cycles the action is not the gas that pushes the bullet. The gas that cycles the action is... well, not *excess* gas, per se, but it is gas that is not needed to force the bullet out of the barrel. In theory, a bolt action exerts more gas pressure onto the bullet compared to an auto loader, as none of the gas is recycled back into the gun to cycle the action. That means "100%" of the expanding gasses push on the bullet (not really true, because the gas stops acting on the bullet the second it leaves the barrel, and the "boom" you hear is that gas rapidly expanding into the atmosphere. A 100% efficient barrel would have no boom, just the crack of the bullet breaking the sound barrier). In that light, scavenging less gas from the barrel to cycle the action should result in more pressure imparted on the bullet. All that to say, while scavenging a bit less gas to cycle the action, I'm sure the 2 fewer clicks on the adjustable gas block it takes to cycle the Ti BCG probably does not make an appreciable difference in bullet velocity compared to a milspec BCG/gas block.

Lighter carriers, buffers and a tuned gas system is a solution to lessening perceived recoil for faster follow up shots..

@@hairydogstail great if you are shooting 3 gun, but an unreliable race gun is not the AR I want. My AR weighs 5 pounds with proven parts, did you notice he did not mention price?

Reliable as in a duty gun, then stick with a well made mill spec rifle that meets the TDP spec and tolerances set..The military put a lot of time and money perfecting the M-4A1 platform..Quality race guns are reliable set for the purpose of what they were intended for..An AR rifle with proven parts can have stacking tolerance issues that can make it unreliable..@@thompsonjerry3412

Not all uppers are compatible with adjustable gas key BCGs like the one from Bootleg.

@@SuspiciousGanymede I use the SunDevil MFG A.D.I.G.s. adjustable gas key, it should fit any standard AR upper.

@@ronjenkins6674 never heard of that one. Always interesting to learn about new products for the AR market.

Sharp's also makes a version of their EPB that should fit any AR15/M4 receiver

Reddit advice 😂 moronical

Did you ride the short bus?

If you decrease the weight of a system, does perceived recoil increase or decrease?

Ummm what?

​@@VSO_Gun_Channelc158 is far easier to work with and ensure that it's properly heat treated. Most places improperly heat treat 9310.

The difference is someone didn't take their meds today... or took too many 😅

9310 is fine and has been for years. The Nickel Boron is poo poo though.

@@VSO_Gun_ChannelI misread the title and had to leave the computer before finishing the video, I thought the bolt itself was titanium, that is my mistake and I apologize. That being said, a titanium carrier still has problems associated with it. The main issue is that titanium alloys does not withstand erosion as well as steels, so the sealing surfaces within the carrier will wear out faster than a standard bolt carrier.

Is Reddit down or something? The preening and self-assured pseudoexpertise made me think I was on the wrong platform.

@@woodrowcall3158 🤣🤣🤣 I don't know for sure. I don't use reddit either

@@mikewithers299 I use it as long as it takes to sell my excess accessories off, and then I promptly delete it again.

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Depends on how the rifle is gassed. You are applying an absolute statement to a less than absolute assertion.

@@VSO_Gun_Channel X2dev's rifle uses a titanium BCG and regular h2 + buffer spring. It's still way softer than a regular bcg.

The lighter the reciprocating mass, the lighter the recoil impulse when properly gassed..VSO is wrong about weights in the buffer and carrier being different, it is not..Weight slows carrier velocity, it doesn't matter if it is in the buffer or carrier..The lighter the buffer and carrier the lighter the recoil impulse when the gas is tuned for it..@@boygonewhoopdataZZ

@@VSO_Gun_Channel try it in 10 off the shelf rifles using the bcg that comes in it first then using the titanium one. I bet my next 52 pay checks the titanium carrier has less felt recoil in every last one of them. The gas setting can be extremely violent or borderline not cycling. You made an incorrect statement, I can assure you.

@@hairydogstail he’s often wrong. In fact the entire video is ironic. He doesn’t like pmags but is willing to use a titanium bcg… Ok lol