What do YOU mean you people?

@@yaosio What do you mean what do YOU mean you people?

she doesn't like being exposed as incapable without a cheat code

@John-PaulHunt-wy7lf true

Yeah, It's Like She Turn into African?

Not in her jumpsuits. 90 pounds of beans in a 40 pound sack.

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But she has the two most important dimensions.

@@computernoise2209 That's indeed basically why she was in this show. Haha. Seven of Nine before the day.

Affected, even

You are already overqualified. You just have to sense _something_

Odd, I'm getting a sense of sarcasm from somebody.

LOL! You making fun of poor Troi. :-)

@@thefurrybastard1964 Extra points for sensing that something that is neither a feeling or emotion lol nailed it

I'm sensing a disturbance in the force.... too many beans💨

I mentioned that in the last video, hoping she didn't do so later in the episode and make me look stupid :P

@@fubaralakbar6800 I think there was another episode where she did exactly that when she lost her powers then

@@fubaralakbar6800 I hate to break it to you, but she does…

@@leopold7562 Yeah I saw that later on. Face palm moment :P

Such an underrated observation.

Let me try and demonstrate with this sheet of paper...

They put that in there so that the stupid viewers could understand.

@@wolfshanze5980 If you can come up with more of those, you should write for Kimmel. That was hilarious.

I suspect this has more to do with treating their audience as though we do not have any functioning brain cells. Oh dear, how many otherwise excellent sci-fi romps have been ruined because the producers think they are the only ones with any intelligence.

Dumbed down exposition for the 2d audience. ;)

LMAO!!!

This

😜😂😂 You're so wrong😁😉

HOLLA!!!

LOL

It amazes me that we never saw sarcasm on any level on this show. I mean, you'd think that this crew, who've spent a considerable amount of time together to the point that they became as close as family there would be some ball busting.

So, like Neelix on the Intrepid, learn to adjust. Once they had moved so far away from the point of origin where they had picked up Neelix, he felt he was of no longer ant use to Captain Janeway.

Saucer of milk for a catfight for two. (Austin Powers)

I laughed out loud, good show

@@makita3680 Awkward!

@@paulleckner8235 Not you. CommentorX.

Omg, you made me laugh out loud! 🤣🤣🤣

at least the woman who lost her husband had the decency to cry alone in her room, diana goes crying all over the third and second dimension

You mean, Tro turns into Marina Sirtis.

at least she didn t get impregnated this time.

Loses her beans

@@manoflemancha2407 seriously why is Troy always getting possessed or impregnated or something? Her bodily autonomy just violated left and right on the show

Considering her mother is a narcissist, she does pretty well.

Well, it kind of shows an irony where a lot of mental health professionals are great at what they do, but are quite neurotic.

@@AngelaRyanXX Seems to be a common thing for Betazoids.

Not much unlike the actress. 😉

Agreed. Marina nailed the performance but her character in this episode is badly written.

This. Diana is a scam hack. Her ability doesn't even work on other betazoids. Only with her mother, and only for communication.

@@RobeonMew it's not her fault, it's a really similar issue to the Worf Effect. They gave her abilities that, on paper, are way too strong. If she could universally know exactly how a person is feeling and exactly what their intentions are 100% of the time, she would be able to resolve every conflict on the show - which would make for a super boring show. So they had to keep having her powers just... not work, without explaining why, and all the episodes where she has a big role generally fall along the lines of "Troi gets the shit kicked out of her for 44 minutes", "Troi acts like kind of a dick and solves nothing for 44 minutes", or like... one or two times, "Troi's unique ability and insight save the day." They should have reworked the nature of her abilities and given her more screentime - instead, they made her OP and then spent the rest of the series Nerfing her to the point of being kind of a joke.

It's not really about Troi's inadequacies and personal bias, but our own.

@@kamalalsb7292 Cant recall if it was ever mentioned outright in the show, but id imagine, based on her mother/others of her species, she may be well trained in dealing with mental health, but as for her species actual empathic abilities, she is still an "adolescent" in that regard and they still have not fully developed to the point of her essentially being a broken character with what she should be able to accomplish with them. Plus, isnt she half human? I could see that as a simple write-off plot element to explain why her abilities are often hindered or outright suck.

“Inconclusive, what does that mean?” “It means no conclusion can be made.”

You're only half Betazoid, dear.

Amazing

Lol exactly what I thought

How can you lose something you never had? Diana's "telepathy" goes as far as being able to send sentences to her Mother's head only. Everything else is a lie.

"... You'd be treating me? Well, Deanna, maybe if you stopped SCREAMING at me for a few seconds maybe we could find something on scans or in lab tests that'd explain this. But no. I've *never* experienced this even as I stood by and watch people die, or lose limbs, or brain function, or be maimed and/or die in ways we can't currently prevent even with our science. But please continue to scream at me like a child in the middle of MY sickbay."

A good counselor does not expect a patient to remain calm at all times, certainly not this soon after such a momentous loss. If she were seeing this on someone else it would make perfect sense to her. The grieving process doesn't change just because you're a mental-health professional

@@stars9084 exactly what I was thinking and have learnt in my training. People need to get some perspective and freaking empathy on why Troi's reaction is so strong, loud and emotional instead of just criticizing her. It's quite similar to some mental health situations I've had to work with. It takes a lot of patience, empathy and cool head to deal with effectively. NOT judgement

Yep. Everyone in the comments complaining about her character here are obviously people that aren't disabled or never had to deal with anyone who is, closely.

they heard "you people" and thought "she did the thing she's bad you can't triple stamp a double stamp"

That is a horrible thing to contemplate

​@@JamesR624well, the episode DID get a lot of negative reviews... Not to put down people w those issues, but I think bc the writers didn't do her character any favors on screen.

@@JamesR624 You either don't know anyone who is disabled, or are disabled yourself and have a MASSIVE chip on your shoulder

Their costumes were designed to hold everything in place and have no movement during motion- but you can't control that hair.

Throughout the show, she was a lousy councillor. Her best feature was helping Picard determine if someone was lying or not to give him a tactical advantage.

@@Aerojet01 and she didn't even do that very well! She's always, "Captain, I sense the guy on the viewscreen is hiding something." If I were Picard, there would be a lot of "Oh really, counselor? Thanks, I couldn't figure out why the dude is sweating, stuttering and has a flimsy alibi that doesn't check out! But thanks for letting me know something's amiss!"

@@Aerojet01 She did more effective counselling in those two Voyager episodes she guested in, than her entire stint on the Enterprise.

@@Twister6424 Evidently Stewart, in a bad mood, broke character and said "Really! You useless cow! Thank you SO MUCH for stating th obvous." and later caught hell from Marina for doing so. Perhaps the "we all loved each other" line was not as honest as they would have us believe.

@@canalesworks1247 Knowing how successful the series would eventually be, I would love to have been there to see that. Thanks for that, I spit out my coffee laughing out loud while imaging Stewart doing that.

@artman2oo3 -- It Geordies fault. His statement pushed her over the age.

As someone who was once crippled in an accident (temporarily - Thank God), I think it's perfectly understandable that she would. "Coping" is not a straight progression. Nor does it stick to a schedule. (and emotional pitfalls & outbursts are reasonably common)

@@sharkdentures3247 -- I hear you if I suddenly went blind or became crippled I know I would lose it quickly.

Losing her beans Lots of beans Lots of beans

So many beans lost

I loved how everyone in the room watched this incredibly slow and obvious demonstration with complete sincerity

"Mr Data, this is the bit the audience needs to understand, so take it nice and easy for the kids at the back of the class."

Like an ageing OnlyFans girl

Riker would beg to differ

Other talents? She never had any talents. She is the most annoying character from all versions of Star Trek.

The most useless character in the history of television. "Hey lets give this character such OP abilities that if she ever actually used them fully every conflict we could conceive of would be instantly solved so that we have to 'dumb down' her abilities to that of any human with an IQ above 70". Great choice there, show writers and creators... "I can sense he's angry about this", yeah no shit Deanna, he's literally shouting.

more than Kesley? @@artistjoh

They were too preoccupied trying to figure out a way they could write her taking off her top and getting out the oil

No, that's T'Pol on "Enterprise" 😀

No.They point out later that she's a trained therapist and that she should rely on that training to do her job.

@@benblanco6944 That's much worse! Ha HAA!!!

I mean, I think we all kinda knew…

They don’t even need sensors, you just have to look out a window

"And the chance that we approached them at the exact angle is statistically zero. I am also concerned that the image of our surroundings our sensors provides to us has a resolution that mathematically approaches zero on one axis. There might be a whole armada of Romulans just above us right now." The difference between fiction writers and science fiction writers is frustrating sometimes. But it still was good and enjoyable TV, you just have to check yourself to not be an asshole about it :D

Those things might have height after all, but be lacking either width or length. 😉

​@@RoonMian What you call an asshat, i call critical. My biggest problem with the majority of scifi, is that its designed for an audience that has no concept of the world beyond their daily routine. Who cant see physics in motion, or cant appreciate the scale & variety of things in this wonderful universe. And they have to severely, *severely* dumb down their content so such people can _maybe_ understand it. I wish more what i call "hard scifi" would be made by someone. Scifi meant for people who have more in-depth understandings of physics, and the world around them.

​@@davecrupel2817I think you have aspergers

Troi is the priestess / mental care expert of the ship. There are ways to make this character work, but it needs a higher authority, she would have to be a political leader of sorts. But Enterprise is already headed by Picard who is a father figure and able to give encouragement on his own. All that's left for her to do is counsel when asked by the Captain. It kind of takes away her forte.

I harness the magic of the beans 😜🪄

No, but he does go on chat sites telling people he put on his wizard robe and hat, lol.

Same. Tho the more I've investigated this phenomenon the more I've realized that there's an absolute uncanniness in the messages being sent by the universe when I am open to receiving them.

@@blogtrek5571 Synchronicity.

@@blogtrek5571 Yes. Very good. Don't let that slip... Its true. It has to be, right?

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They kind of did troi dirty here. Presumably she went to the academy and has all sorts of training to fall back on. There must be some alien professors at the academy that don't even care about tits right? She might fall to pieces, but not aggressively like this. IDK. They made her a real buffoon in this episode

You should feel embarrassed by that terrible attempt at a joke.

@@feanedhell so bad 80 other people liked it. Come on bro no one is really Pro Wesley. 🤣🤣

@@GameAGuy i can assure you it would take me less than a minute to find 80 people with a bad sense of humour on the internet. It's not exactly hard.

Let's play "Guess the writer's least favorite character after Wesley."

@@michaelmerritt7406 Well, Wesley was at least *one* writer's favourite character. If you wanna know whose look up Gene Roddenberry's middle name >_> I have sympathy to this day with Wil Wheaton for the shit he had to go through because of how dumb his role often was.

@Binty McFrazzles the sad thing is that this character was even created.

@@RoonMian even more sympathy knowing what kind of dicks his parents were.

Season 1

Look at the training video for Project Genesis in ST2. That was the 1st cgi used in a movie.

@@nb2008nc As I recall The Last Starfighter featured the first CGI.

@@ExVeritateLibertas That was 2 years later.

Yeah but if she took her top off and got out the oil nobody would have cared. Stupid writers for not thinking of it.

That's not her fault, that's ours. People lash out when they are suddenly vulnerable. You think I haven't seen this from someone who had just recently lost a leg, or arm, or is disabled? The elderly do this as well. It's not pleasant, and it isn't positive character trait. But when you just lost something and nobody seems to really be capable of understanding you even if they care about you, their very presence can seem almost like, you're flexing how able you are. It's a sickening feeling. To know inside and out that they are just trying to help, but hating yourself so much, and needing others to understand you so badly, you'd rather they hate you too, because you love them.... and believe they deserve better than what you've become. That's the pain behind Deanna here. The pain of not being able to provide what she can for those she loves. If we can't empathize with that, is that really her failing?

@@Vespyr_ I don't empathize with narcissistic bitches, having been in a relationship with such a person before realizing how manipulative she was.

Exactly. You know all that teen drama crap that high school girls whine and complain about all the time? She comes across more like that in this episode.

@@redpillfreedom6692 Good. Treasure your health man. I wish we could reach everyone about em but most wont get it till its too late. Glad you're free of that.

...so she is empathic, but not sympathetic.

Seriously, they didn't have to go that far to make Troi unlikeable.

Well, you'd have more than sympathy if you could empathize with her. If you get what they intended here, then how are you failing to empathize with her. _If we lost our sight or hearing, we’d be terrified and feel like we couldn’t function._ Yeah. If you lost your legs, and had start getting used to love ones wiping your ass, and changing every day. You try to get in your chair, slip and fall and are tired of being picked up off the ground. You might snap at people around you. Even they're people who love you, they're the only ones there that even care. We tend to do these things and it's only the best of us that can claim otherwise. It's part of the journey. I never found much use for sympathy, when empathy is just as readily available.

@@Vespyr_ spot on.

@@thefurrybastard1964 If you honestly think that, then you've completely missed the whole point of the episode. This is a comment on the whole issue of disability. Image if you woke up one morning and you couldn't either walk or see? How do you think you'd react? I guarantee you that you'd probably end up reacting in pretty much a similar way to the way Troi does here.

@@Vespyr_ Except she isn't disabled inasmuch as she's lost her superpowers. Just about every comic book hero has had at least one story where they temporarily lost their powers and much of the time, they handled it way more maturely than Troi is acting here. She isn't deaf or blind and doesn't have any missing limbs. She just can't read people's feelings. Whoopie. Even in the Trek universe most counselors can't read thoughts or feelings, but that doesn't necessarily make them unable to do their job.

Ah, the obligatory bash Troi comment. I'm sure yours won't be the last.

@@aggressiveattitudeera887 I think you'd make a better counselor on the Enterprise. Lol

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I loved when he put her in her place and made her see the reality she didn't want to while lacking empathy.

Whats so funny is that its Geordi who set off this little breakdown of hers. Yknow, the blind guy.

never liked Troi, she was a spoiled little princess.

And badly, as we can clearly see most of it through the acting.

Its still usefull they allready have Data as the overskilled crew member. Sinds Romulans were the common enemy on TNG it helped keep up the tension.

i wouldn't exactly call her powers underwhelming, but the writing for her definitely was. repeatedly so. which plays a huge part in why this episode misses the mark. and i generally agree with your suggestion.

@@fariesz6786 When did her empathic ability every make the difference when it mattered? I can't recall a single instance. The writers took the time to establish that she was especially useless as a half-Betazoid. The other Betazoids we meet (Lwaxanna, Tam Elbrun) were actual telepaths, the latter being ridiculously powerful. She just gets vague emotional senses that were usually obvious to everyone in the room. They also undercut one of the core parts of Marina Sirtis' performance. She chose to affect a pseudo-Israeli accent, which sounded a bit odd, but somewhat exotic, emphasizing her alien heritage. Then every other Betazoid speaks like an American, including her own mother.

Riker on the other hand would like sensing a fog horn.

@@percussion44 Yeah Riker is as open with his emotions as a Klingon. Like holy crap. His expressions seem to emphasize important moments in each episode.

No she needs a session with a proper councilor

And the shear stupidity of the coincidence here that the ship just happened to be exactly aligned with them in 3 dimensional space is moronic. There are sadly lots of similar examples with this series where had the writers put even the tiniest bit of thought into their proposed story ideas they would have realised the damage stuff like this was doing to the show. But they didn't. Because that would have required them to actually use their brains to come up with stories that were credible.

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She's by far the most annoying person on the ship. Sell her to the Orions.

@@DavidLS1 She got better once she started wearing a uniform.

@@USS_Sentinel Perhaps, but can you name a more annoying member of the crew?

@@DavidLS1 I never found her to be that annoying. But you're talking to someone that likes Neelix.

@@USS_Sentinel Neelix, the Jar Jar Binks of the Star Trek universe.

Shaddap and enjoy the eye candy you dolt! 😅 she is aesthetically very pleasing 😍😊

@@XXXXXX-su4zb phoebe? She hasn't aged well at all 🤨

@@patrickasplund And you have?

@@XXXXXX-su4zb Troi was supposed to be eye candy? I mean yeah, she's pretty, but I never really saw her as that. Just annoying and useless - which is a super brave position to have, isn't it?

"Captain, The Romulans are hiding something."

Oooh, you better offer her some water to pour on that burn.

Tell me, that you are American, without telling me. Talisker, Laphroaig, Glenfiddich, Glenmorangie would be the better choice. 🥃Cheers. Picard would have recommended Earl Grey.

imagine if worf had walked in right then and just went "what do you mean, you people?" omg im dying lol

It’s almost like they’re deliberately drawing attention to it or something 🤪

No. That's bullshit

@@jadapinkett1656 The amount of likes my comment has would say otherwise.

@@thefurrybastard1964 17?

@𝓥𝓾𝓵𝓬𝓪𝓷𝓲𝔃𝓮𝓭 𝓜𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓵 𝓦𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 Imagine losing your sight. That's more akin to what it would be like. You trying to compare it to money shows that you really don't get it. She's lost a part of herself, a major part of how she was previously able to percieve the wrold around her. She feels helpless and useless.

@𝓥𝓾𝓵𝓬𝓪𝓷𝓲𝔃𝓮𝓭 𝓜𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓵 𝓦𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 So you'd be incapable of showing sympathy or understanding to the emotional reactions of someone who's gone blind on the very day they lost their sight. Noted, hope you realise what that says about you. She's particularly angry with Dr Crucher because she feels that she wasn't helped enough. Fair? Perhaps not. But if you'd lost your sight and on the very day you did so you were speaking to the doctor you felt could have prevented it if they'd done more I'm guessing your emotional response would be... tempestuous as well. Your reasoning here is very flawed and lacking in empathy. The loss of something you were born with doesn't compare to wishing fo what you never had, especially when it's something that no human has ever had.

@𝓥𝓾𝓵𝓬𝓪𝓷𝓲𝔃𝓮𝓭 𝓜𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓵 𝓦𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 That you had to use that ridiculous "drowning man wishing for gills" example is very telling, regardless, my point stands. Losing something that's so much a part of you and of your people can be very traumatic. It's like losing your sight and on the first day being told by a species that never had sight that you'll get used to it. There's no ill intent but it doesn't help and a lot of people wouldn't take it well. If that's how you view people who react emotionally to losing something so vital and defining to them then no, you're not good at being sympathetic. Dr Crusher handels it much better, she understands that she's in pain. Also, it's a TV show, which means limited time to convey loss, grief, helplessness, struggle, acceptance and overcoming the issue etc.

@𝓥𝓾𝓵𝓬𝓪𝓷𝓲𝔃𝓮𝓭 𝓜𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓵 𝓦𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 Yes, yes, you have no sympathy, I got that already. All you're doing is showing that you'd be a crappy shoulder for someone to lean on during hard times since all you'd do is call them brats with tantrums. You have no real point, all you've said steems from your own complete lack of empathy here. Instead you've just made up your mind and refuse to let go of this image of the character in your head.

@𝓥𝓾𝓵𝓬𝓪𝓷𝓲𝔃𝓮𝓭 𝓜𝓲𝓷𝓮𝓻𝓪𝓵 𝓦𝓪𝓽𝓮𝓻 It's not hypocritical or weak to need the same help you give to others. Even trained therapists and grief counselors are at times in need of the very help they give to others. By denying them the help they need, which includes the patience and understanding that goes with it, you only show your own weakness and demonstrate that despite your claims you're not a sympathetic person. Your justification of "she knows better" is piss poor and if you can't see that I hope you're never in a situation where you can hurt someone who genuinely needs help because of your own close minded opionion that they don't deserve it

Yeah, but without her ability she probably wouldn't be able to win another game of 3D chess against Data

@@michaelschweigart3517 Nobody should be able to beat Data at chess except Riker and only because that look Riker gets on his face when he wins.

@@emersonmacintosh7673 okay

IIRC Betazoids are normally telepathic but since she's only half-Betazoid she's an empath instead. But there still was much more they could have done with her; if they'd gotten real therapists to consult on writing Deanna in-session maybe they could have brainstormed some usable "wouldn't it be nice to help my patients if I could do X" ideas. Not to mention the cool stuff you brought up; she should have beaten everyone but Data at poker. Even Ferengi, whom she couldn't read, should still have shown up on her "radar," but I don't remember them ever addressing that possibility. The only bit I can remember that showed how she could have been interesting as Deanna Troi the half-Betazoid empath was when Jellico replaced Picard for a few episodes, and he was rubbing everyone the wrong way, and Riker said something like "He's awfully sure of himself" and Deanna was just "No, he's not." But she and Jellico didn't get much more development than that.

Her character improved greatly after she took the bridge officer's exam and a got a proper uniform. At this point I think she's still a civilian 'contractor' aboard the ship. Eventually she returns with a blue science division uniform, a commission, and increased competency.

I doubt that he is referring to the concept of 2-D; rather he is fascinating by the idea of living creatures CONFINED to only two dimensions, which many be otherwise unheard of.