Why Westminster Blocked Scotland's Trans Bill

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The UK government blocked a proposal from Scotland around reforming gender recognition certificates, causing shockwaves across the political spectrum. So what exactly was Scotland proposing? Why did Sunak block the bill? And why was this such a big deal?
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@user-xu2pi6vx7o Жыл бұрын

Oh the absolute irony of England doing to Scotland, exactly what it accused the EU of doing to England.

@monarchist1838 Жыл бұрын

We have a devolved government. Sturgeon broke the rules agreed upon by FM Donald Dewer. She knew what would happen, this is a stunt.

@Hardcore_Remixer Жыл бұрын

The point of Brexit was to break apart from the conformist and progresist globalism flooding from the US into the EU. EU's recommendations have slowly become laws. They left EU so they are left alone to conserve traditional values, not to get rid of them by themselves.

@TheGamingSyndrom Жыл бұрын

the english have always been a hypocritical bunch

@007kingifrit Жыл бұрын

the difference is scottland is not a country

@baxtardboy Жыл бұрын

@@007kingifrit The UN says it is.

@werebison Жыл бұрын

As an outsider, it really strikes me as picking a fight for the purpose of having a distraction from how poorly things are going in Westminster. Then again, I might be misunderstanding the dynamics at play.

@Mynestrone Жыл бұрын

pretty much got it

@Pemmont107 Жыл бұрын

Nah, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. The Tories are trailing badly in the polls and are desperately looking for any distraction, including trying to make "public enemies" out of striking nurses. Thankfully I think most of the public's caught on.

@yq3908 Жыл бұрын

That's politics in a nutshell. Both parties pretending to disagree about things to hide how they serve whoever pays them.

@ash_yt0 Жыл бұрын

No you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. edit: People below me lying and saying this is a controversial bill... The reform just makes it so you can change your birth certificate easier, which is especially helpful since the backlog in the NHS is affecting gender clinics too, so it can take years and years currently to get a GRC. Any suggestion it affects women's spaces is absurd too since you do not present your birth certificate to go to the bathroom... women's shelters also don't admit you based on whether you have an F on your ID either, and even if they did, you can just show your passport or driving license since those are easier to get changed than it is to get a GRC change. There is literally nothing controversial about this reform, unless you are just misinformed and want to a pick a fight with Scotland. With this reform, trans people will be able to more easily ensure they can get married and be buried with their correct gender written on the certificate. If there was a way to exploit that for nefarious gain, you'd think we'd have seen it happen in the many many countries that already have similar laws. There have also been years of consultation on this which the tories could have raised concerns over, but they chose to wait until now to use unprecedented powers to block something so inconsequential, just because it's a good distraction from how they've ruined the country.

@hughjaneous4209 Жыл бұрын

Yep culture war nonsense. The SNP are literally just trying to make the lives of trans people a bit easier.

@AetherKnight Жыл бұрын

I think it's a pity that you didn't mention that while Westminster has had a long time to look at this, it's also had a less confrontational route to contest the Bill - namely Sections 32/33 of the Scotland Act, which asks the Supreme Court to rule on the competence of the Scottish parliament to pass the legislation. This could have been used at any time within the last 5 years, as well as right now. Instead, the Secretary of State for Scotland has gone straight to the nuclear option of Section 35, which hasn't helped keep the relationship between Westminster and Holyrood in any way cordial.

@imastaycool Жыл бұрын

Britain and even the UK as a whole is disunited politically, socially, and culturally. The poor political choices and decisions of Brexit have made the lack of unity ever clearer for the entire world to see. It's not just disunited, it's also completely imbalanced. Politically, it has devolved governments, but most of the power lies in Tory Westminster which has the UK at political loggerheads. Brexit was divisive and it shows how disunited the UK is with the region of Northern Ireland and the country of Scotland voting No to Brexit. The UK is literally split down the middle in the Brexit debacle which makes it politically disunited. Furthermore, the UK isn't a voluntary union because Scotland is actively being denied another independence referendum post Brexit - this, again, makes it a disunited partnership and an imbalanced one. Welsh and Scottish independence is growing while talks of a United/Shared Ireland are on everyone's lips - this, again, demonstrates a disunited and imbalanced union. Socially and culturally it is also divided and disunited as the different parts have their own culture and language + Britain has become increasingly "British Asian". Brexit itself limits multiculturalism and encourages exclusive nationalism and nativism which in effect breeds racism and xenophobia (the very core of Brexit). Try convincing themselves that Britain is united, but it's DISUNITED and IMBALANCED as well as undemocratic and unjust. And it's actively breaking up! 😅

@AetherKnight Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas Absolutely - and at much greater expense to the taxpayer than would otherwise have been the case if this hadn't ended up being an "emergency" case that'll get pushed to the top of the heap! Quite right that it's going to be challenged though, as Section 35 has never been used before. There does need to be clarity here as to the extent of the Secretary of State's powers, and the justification required in order to use them.

@firebyrd437 Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas and so they should

@Steph-zo5zk Жыл бұрын

Wow I didn't realise that. Why have they done it this way then?

@14loosecannon Жыл бұрын

In those 5 years we've had 4 PMs, 2 general elections, Brexit, a pandemic and now a war in Ukraine. I reckon this probably slipped their minds!

@MarkNealon Жыл бұрын

I think Sunak is just secretly pro-Scottish independence...

@NinjaHampster117 Жыл бұрын

Considering the ridiculous debacle of relocating all of the nukes in Scotland will be... sure...

@cloudgummykasi7642 Жыл бұрын

Plot twist: sunak wants to accelerate the dissolution of the united kingdom

@fankaydarius5849 Жыл бұрын

@@cloudgummykasi7642 as a revenge for British colonial rule in India?

@grahamleiper1538 Жыл бұрын

@@fankaydarius5849 bring us partition?

@StarboyAngel Жыл бұрын

@@fankaydarius5849 no

@ralph411 Жыл бұрын

As someone who lives outside of the UK, this was brilliantly explained

@kasroa Жыл бұрын

Spot on. Like right now the Tory controlled BBC is pushing the Boris Johnson story to the top, and brushing Zahawi's tax scandal under the rug (whilst constantly reminding everyone that Johnson took him on, not Sunak). Everything seems to be a distraction.

@kasroa Жыл бұрын

@@QTeaFunny so you're all for the amendments then, no doubt, Or you want people to have to wait even longer?

@gothicgolem2947 Жыл бұрын

@@QTeaFunny why would mentioning the time scale makes it impossible to get it before 16 be relevant when that age was blocked?

@gothicgolem2947 Жыл бұрын

@@QTeaFunny or it might be idk

@gothicgolem2947 Жыл бұрын

@@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 who are?

@gengarboi8745 Жыл бұрын

You would think that with the increasing support for Scottish independence, Westminster wouldn't want to make Scottland feel like it has even less of a voice, but I guess not.

@randomfactguy6385 Жыл бұрын

66% of Scots oppose the Bill. I don't think that this will increase support for Scottish independence

@kellynbotha Жыл бұрын

@@randomfactguy6385 did you not watch the video? 60% of respondents in the 5 years of public consultations for the bill were in favour. The only polls that indicate most scots are against the bill were conducted by newspapers such as Daily Mail and The Scotsman, whose readership is already naturally opposed to it but do not reflect a majority of Scots. Sorry.

@randomfactguy6385 Жыл бұрын

@@kellynbotha ye, and those public consultations run by the SNP weren't biased. Other polls conducted by reputable companies have shown similar levels of resistance. There is no way in hell this will increase support for independence.

@kellynbotha Жыл бұрын

@@randomfactguy6385 no way in Hell London intervening in Edinburgh's lawmaking will increase the desire for independence? You want to bet on that? Go look who voted for this Bill. It's not purely an SNP project. Members from every party supported it to various degrees and even some SNP members voted against it. If you don't like democracy, just say so

@randomfactguy6385 Жыл бұрын

@@kellynbotha not purely an SNP project. You have to be shitting me. This is Sturgeon's attempt to burnish her right-on credentials so that when she resigns as First Minister she can go become some UN ambassador for trans people. This is a callous, ludicrous bill which a handful of Labour MSPs voted for to burnish their own wokeness. And I will bet that blocking an unpopular bill will not increase the calls for that most imbecilic idea called an independent Scotland.

@Lyendith Жыл бұрын

It’s quite incredible that of all the legislative issues, THIS is the hill the Conservatives are determined to die on. "We don’t know how to fix the mess caused by Brexit or how to reduce inflation, but God forbid we ever let a tiny portion of the population change their birth certificate!"

@neelsg Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas I think this is exactly their plan. They want to stir up a culture war to distract from the broader issues

@ilx1 Жыл бұрын

@@ADITYASHARMA-im2qo the bill only affects Scotland, where it is overwhelmingly popular. why lie like this?

@grahamleiper1538 Жыл бұрын

... "slightly quicker and easier than they can at the moment".

@CustardBustard Жыл бұрын

@@ilx1 Letting 16 year olds remove their gentials funded by the taxpayer is popular in scotland ? Is that right ?

@mattyhew5121 Жыл бұрын

It does make some sense, they would lose a lot of votes from Tory women if they didn't block it. He's doing something easy that falls in the lines of his parties' policies and beliefs. What I really don't understand is how they could be so short sited in going for Section 35 and not Section 32 that puts it in court. Its like instead of mediating to avoid war you go straight to nuclear Armageddon

@bobbingfortoast1912 Жыл бұрын

The conversation feels incomplete without discussing the horrific difficulty involved in getting a "diagnosis of Gender Dysphoria" in the UK. A recent video "I Emailed My Doctor 133 Times..." breaks down just how difficult getting GP's to provide care, referrals or even know/meet their basic legal duties when it comes to trans healthcare. The decision to keep this requirement feels a lot more sinister when you account for that reality.

@Luciaz-FAH Жыл бұрын

True

@amberdixon4200 Жыл бұрын

Yup. Ive been on the waiting list since i was doing my GCSE’s. Im now in my second year of uni and i still haven’t been seen, let alone diagnosed

@adi6293 Жыл бұрын

LOL 🤣🤣 I watched that video, Oliver is an idiot 😂😂

@Luciaz-FAH Жыл бұрын

@@amberdixon4200 I live in Germany and I first talked to my doctor about it when I was 11 Now I'm 21 and I only count as "gender questioning" Too many visits to doctors, legal stuff to take care off and just blatant transphobia from medical staff So much damage could've been prevented So much unjustice, pain and suffering I'm not even sure, that my insurance will cover the cost of all the surgeries

@benjaminmujakovic2664 Жыл бұрын

@@Luciaz-FAH Sadge, may you slay and be yourself, hopefully as things get going the gens to come won't have to suffer.

@dennismorgan3701 Жыл бұрын

It would be so funny if THIS was the straw that breaks the unions back tbh.

@JayJay5244 Жыл бұрын

I think the back has already been broken… I think, regardless of today’s poll, if there were a referendum tomorrow, Scotland would leave… and they’d be right to do so

@xtomalax Жыл бұрын

It's almost like it was Sturgeons plan all along

@dennismorgan3701 Жыл бұрын

@@JayJay5244 absolutely

@oiartsun Жыл бұрын

It's as if the Conservatives, who are already in a tenuous position, decided that now is a good time to paint a target on their backs. I suspect the courts will take issue with Westminster's patently faulty argument in blocking Scotland's bill.

@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Жыл бұрын

If you think people are going to be so horrified by Westminster blocking a stupid Bill that the majority of Scots didn't agree with will break the Union's back, you're deluding yourself.

@abacus892 Жыл бұрын

Nice to see a simple, clear explanation of what a GRC is, and more importantly, what it isn't - the reporting around this bill has been so sensationalized

@GnosticLucifer Жыл бұрын

The panic is about a slippery slope and given the situation in US I don't think it's unjustified

@OrangeLiqueur Жыл бұрын

@@GnosticLucifer what “slippery slope”?

@OrangeLiqueur Жыл бұрын

@@compass2201 what? Firstly, the point about single sex spaces. What is there already stopping a man from dressing up, doing makeup etc., sufficiently so that they look the part anyways? Without the Scottish law, what’s actually stopping that already? Secondly, the system for diagnosis of gender dysphoria basically means you can’t get diagnosed. If you GP refuses to refer you, you’re fucked. There’s no recourse. If they do refer you, then you have, imo, purposefully long waiting lists. At the rate Tavistock is clearing patients, it’s now a 20 year waiting list for them. The last point about getting leniency… what? Do you think the courts are more sympathetic if your trans or something?

@ragalyiakos Жыл бұрын

@@compass2201 Except thats NOT the case, and that's NOT what the video says! What you described is the conservative argument for why they blocked the bill, which is only one side of the issue. And, as a different part of the video explains but doesn't outright say, the conservative position and argument...Is wrong. Period. GRC's have NOTHING to do with single-sex spaces and don't clash with women's or other minorities' rights, since the things you need a GRC for are not related to any such right. Unless you want to argue that having a trans person's death certificate match their lived gender somehow...Takes away another, unrelated person's rights, somehow.

@tourmelion9221 Жыл бұрын

@@compass2201 it wouldn't get rid of single sex spaces, they could prevent trans people from coming in anyway, regardless of how stringent the transition process was

@patrickmitchell9068 Жыл бұрын

Tories saying they care about women is the funniest thing ever because you know they dont, would sacrifice women right's for a meat pie

@vylbird8014 Жыл бұрын

It's the same story as over in the US. Republicans haven't given a single solitary fuck about women's rights until recently - but now suddenly they care deeply about the integrity of women's sports and the safety of female-only spaces, and protecting those things against the sinister transgender threat.

@christopherbanks4652 Жыл бұрын

Women have the same rights as men

@last2nkow Жыл бұрын

"Uh... uh... uh... look! A distraction from all the evil crrp we've been doing since we got into power! Yup an evil bastard thing we are doing! What a distraction!" -a tory shot caller in reference to this legislation, probably

@jonathandilger1649 Жыл бұрын

If the tories would really believe the bill violates reserved matters there is a standard procedure via section 32 NOT section 35 (b). In that scenario the bill would go to the supreme court. Instead the tories overruled in an unprecedented way. Section 35 is an emergency break, hence it has never been used. It really seems like a throwback to direct rule. Sunak is just desperetlly trying to hold his party together via some culturewar bullshit because that's one of the few things they agree on. And oll that on the back of one of the most marginalzed groups in society.

@HappyGingerWolf Жыл бұрын

I think that was because they thought the supreme Court would rule in scotland's favour

@raggedcritical Жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf That's the point. Sunak knows he doesn't have a leg to stand on constitutionally so he broke the glass on the "force majeur" button to stoke a good old fashioned Tory culture war distraction.

@JasperJanssen Жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf yes, but it’s going to do that anyway. At which point Westminster gets an even bloodier nose.

@Luciaz-FAH Жыл бұрын

@@HappyGingerWolf Based comment

@TheBarca1889 Жыл бұрын

You are deluded about the constitutional settlement of the UK. Westminster decides unilaterally what is a reserved matter and what not.

@katrinabryce Жыл бұрын

It is worth mentioning that the number of people who can legally ask you if you have a GRC is very small. Basically a few government departments, and your pension provider. The pension thing is not relevant now due to equal pension age, it only makes a difference for people who retired more than 4 years ago, and all of them would have reached the male retirement age by now anyway.

@markhunter1993 Жыл бұрын

Shut up. Your clearly a GRC owner.

@Ben-li9zb Жыл бұрын

@@nigelverney9608 well the main question is, why do we want the government legally differentiating between the sexes? That seems like a rather large overreach in my opinion

@markhunter1993 Жыл бұрын

@@Ben-li9zb Maybe because men and woman are different and thus have their own needs met ?

@Ben-li9zb Жыл бұрын

@@markhunter1993 what legally needs to be legislated different about them? What needs to be legislated based off of gender that couldn't be done better, and facilitate less discrimination if not included

@DJB_1993 Жыл бұрын

@@Ben-li9zb it's important to differentiate between the sexes for many reasons, e.g. for setting healthcare budgets, funding programmes aimed at women such as refuges or support groups.

@libordostal886 Жыл бұрын

And the UK saying they don't want anyone to tell them what laws to implement and one second later England telling Scotland they cannot legislate this or that. I am looking forward to Scotland getting their independency, that will be fun to watch.

@billcipherproductions1789 Жыл бұрын

Correction: It's not England but the *United Kingdom*.

@PiOfficial Жыл бұрын

Scotland doesn’t want independence. We the English if we were allowed to vote would get rid of scotland.

@bigsalmonfish8448 Жыл бұрын

yeah ok gatis kandis

@SWTORROLEPLAY1998 Жыл бұрын

Aww cry more baby the majority of Scots hate this bill

@reubennelson4086 Жыл бұрын

An Indian resulting in the partitioning of the UK would be the most hilarious event in the history of events.

@pithie84 Жыл бұрын

That would be f**king hilarious

@imastaycool Жыл бұрын

@dylanmurphy9389 Жыл бұрын

@@imastaycool the Uk is unfair for English people, the only country without its own parliament. The people in north England have no representation at all unlike Scotland, wales and Northern Ireland

@b62boom1 Жыл бұрын

@@dylanmurphy9389 give it a rest. Your English Government demand everything of the Celtic Nations. English independence is the dream of all of the occupied Celtic countries. We've had enough of England holding us back, and dragging us down the sewer with them. Get out of my country, you've done irreparable damage and are too expensive for us to keep propping up.

@mikeygilmour4635 Жыл бұрын

🥰🥰🥰

@vulcwen Жыл бұрын

The Tories being like "yeh, the ONLY reason we give people equal rights on paper is because it's hard in practice to actually make use of those rights, HOW DARE YOU MAKE IT EASIER TO ACTUALLY USE IT IN PRACTICE!???"

@erica.5620 Жыл бұрын

There are only two genders and if you want to be a fridge thereafter that's your decision. But I refuse to take this NONSENSE to the legal system. With over 60% transgender suicide rate I DO NOT condone making it easier to partake in your delusion.

@vulcwen Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Don't twist my words into something I didn't say.

@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын

You think the SNP would be happy with this don't they love trampling on other people's rights

@Robb3636 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Well, trans people would like the ability to get married properly. Wouldn't you say that's a matter of equal rights? Cis people don't have to spend hundreds of pounds, years of waiting, piles of legal complicated paperwork just to have a piece of paper that allows them to get married as their correct gender. (That's not including any of the wedding bother either btw.) Making the GRC cheaper and easier to attain will allow trans people to get married and have the correct death certificate, and that's it. Those are still important though.

@Robb3636 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Marriage absolutely is about gender and not sex, most people have no idea what their chromosomes are. (I very much doubt you know either). When the officiant says "do you take this man" he's not looking down the trousers to check the guy has a penis, or running his genes in a lab, he's using a social category we call gender. Otherwise how do you propose intersex people get married? They're using their gender category, not their sex, because there most likely isn't an specific option for them. Not to overly complicate matters, but as a biology student, sex isn't only chromosomes. It's genitals, hormones, gonads, brain chemistry and physical shape, and yes chromosomes, but they're only one part of it. Trans people do effectively change some parts of their sex when physically transitioning, becoming more similar on many physical levels to an intersex person. Sure, you can't change chromosomes, but who cares? We can't perceive them, they play no role in day to day life. It's gender that we interact with everyday, as well as other parts of our sex.

@stuartl7761 Жыл бұрын

All their arguments sound like they're complaining it'll be hard to categorise people who get a GRC. Welcome to the real world, things rarely fit in neat, preconceived categories.

@ChrispyNut Жыл бұрын

LIES!!! People do it all the time. If you're on my side, you're a good person, if you disagree with me, you're a bad person. Poof, 2 categories, easily sorted. If you read more comments on political YT videos, you'd have realized this. YT comments are the best place to learn such philosophical insights! 😜

@zipWith Жыл бұрын

I think it rather blows the lid off the fact that the GRA was a law implemented so that it would exist on paper (per a court ruling: Labour don’t get any credit for it, they were forced) while still being as difficult to get as possible. The objections this time around all seem to amount to the fact that now most trans people in Scotland will have a GRC.

@ChrispyNut Жыл бұрын

@@zipWith TBF, with such contentious issues, it can be best to introduce a minimal amount so those on the fence can get used to it, see there's been little harm, then improve it little by little. Personally I'd prefer to take bigger, bolder steps, but that does risk far more backlash, which could set things further back than the baby steps. Essentially it comes down to what the mass=media are willing to tolerate and they have such over-sized influence on public opinion. A problem with this issue is that the marginalised group is soo small, it's unlikely that people will encounter (for any worthwhile period of time) anyone from that group who can provide personal experience. My Old man (step father) changed from being anti-trans / trans-sceptical to accepting when his granddaughter became his grandson for which he then did a bunch of research and failed to find sufficient reason not to be supportive and saw the massive difference it made to their happiness and self-confidence. Without that personal experience, he'd probably still be in the same place, believing that sex and gender can't be mutually exclusive.

@eliaspanayi3465 Жыл бұрын

Do you have a drivers licence? How about we just scrap the need to take a test and let anyone get one and go for a drive? After all, things rarely fit into neat categories.

@ChrispyNut Жыл бұрын

@@eliaspanayi3465 Hi Apple, I'm Orange. We're the same!

@tyranitararmaldo Жыл бұрын

I can't decide if I think the UK government did this out of hate for Scotland, or trans people. Both are pretty high up on their list.

@AF-gd7fh Жыл бұрын

They did it bc it was an unpopular bill in Scotland and the rest of the UK

@ChannelAboutWarriors Жыл бұрын

@@AF-gd7fh everyone I know supported it, and who gives a toss what the UK think

@abdell75roussos 6 ай бұрын

What utter rubbish.

@ganrimmonim Жыл бұрын

I'm not a SNP voter indeed I'm not Scotish and live in London. But this is going to get blown out of the water when it comes to court.

@markaxworthy2508 Жыл бұрын

In court, perhaps, but in the court of public opinion? If the "democratic will" of the people of Scotland was to be recognized, this Bill would never have got through the Scottish Parliament in its current form in the first place, because they appear to be overwhelmingly opposed to lowering the age from 18 to 16. If the SNP want to pass the democracy test, perhaps they should listen to the people of Scotland and modify the Bill accordingly?

@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 lies.... 66% of scots either didn't care or were for it ... Mark If your kids came out how would you treat them or are they to scared to tell you things?

@Goblinoiddoof Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 bot cunt whomst reposts your arguments.

@Goblinoiddoof Жыл бұрын

It's Westminster looking both to distract the media from their failings and trying to keep their right-wing followers happy.

@joshme3659 Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 wat

@yt.personal.identification Жыл бұрын

The influence this change would have on the "Equality" data would be statistically insignificant. It's a red herring.

@suides4810 Жыл бұрын

Yea like you cant account for that by adding a single box to tick

@sophiatrocentraisin Жыл бұрын

It's not even a red herring at this point, it's just a blatantly poor excuse to try to justify their transphobia. A red herring needs to be at least somewhat convincing for at least one person with a functionning brain to be qualified as such

@Szergej33 Жыл бұрын

It's also trying to legislate reality to fit the narrow set of datapoints we decided to measure. If the world we live in changes, we ought to come up with better datapoints, instead of banning change.

@SeanSMST Жыл бұрын

@@sophiatrocentraisin Well it'd be a red herring for unassuming conservative public, not for the moderates or left tho

@SeanSMST Жыл бұрын

I do think if they look at social media like twitter it exaggerates the percentage of lgbt in the populous, but there's no way they are stupid to not know about that fact of social media, right?

@SomeoneFromBeijing Жыл бұрын

The part which reduces the time required to "live as the preferred gender" is a significant step forward. I know a number of transgender people, trans men and trans women, who are too afraid to present their preferred gender in public before taking HRT since they think they can't pass as their gender. One must understand transgender people's struggles to understand why making it easier to access HRT and easier to change their gender on legal documents is so critical. In short, the new Scottish law is a big step forward-- it is supported by the supermajority of their parliament (88 for, 33 against, 4 abstained), it makes transgender people's lives easier, it doesn’t disrupt the so-called "single-gender spaces", it doesn’t impact equal pay, and it hurts no one. It's ridiculous that it is blocked, especially when Scotland is demanding more sovereignty. And, I think I should mention this-- there is no magical spell in the world. If a predator wants to commit a crime, they can just walk into a bathroom. It is blatant transphobia to suggest trans women will hurt cis women in a bathroom. Also, imagine what chaos will follow if trans men are required to use women's bathrooms.

@3bydacreekside Жыл бұрын

FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT. Being forced to live my life publicly, is something I did before. Since I came out, the last thing I want, is to be forced to present socially and publicly for someone's else's needs. No one really mentions how chronically complicated living as your true gender is without HRT, and placing requirements of such hubris in front of access to hrt and furthur transitional surgeries only complicates things.

@SomeoneFromBeijing Жыл бұрын

@@3bydacreekside I don’t see myself as an activist, per se. But I just think it is a decent thing to support trans rights, since trans rights are human rights, and it’s just the right thing to do to support human rights. I don’t think I can 100% understand everything, but I am certain I can trust my friends when they shared their struggles. I’m a cis dude, I can’t imagine how hard it is to be trans- trans women, trans men, or trans enby. But what I know for sure, both from my good friend and from research articles, is that HRT saves lives. And it is just unacceptable that laws are making a life-saving procedure hard to access. I don’t know where you live, but if I see you at any LGBT rally, please do accept my hug as an apology on behalf of all non-jerk cis men.

@twiggledy5547 Жыл бұрын

They will never be women. And this law will result in the abuse and endangerment of real women. The sexual fantasies of your friends are not worth more than that.

@3bydacreekside Жыл бұрын

@@twiggledy5547 I'm trans too, dirtbag.

@teopalafox Жыл бұрын

@@3bydacreekside maybe that should have told you that it’s not your true gender? Tard

@Psyk60 Жыл бұрын

So if gender recognition is devolved, what sort of changes could the Scottish government make that *would't* affect equalities? If the UK government's argument is valid (which it doesn't seem to be in my opinion), then that basically makes Scotland's devolved power over gender recognition null and void. Part of me wonders if the Conservatives actually want to break up the UK to consolidate their power over England. They couldn't just come out and support Scottish independence because most English people support the union. So they are making an effort to push Scottish people away from the union, but kicking the independence can down the road so that it happens under a Labour government. Then they can blame Labour for it.

@Aarenby Жыл бұрын

Equality law has seldom been equal across the union- NI only got equal marriage in 2019-

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Жыл бұрын

Oh god, you might be right. The Tories always say they are pro union, it's even in their party name, but they could secretly be lying. Scottish independence will definitely benefit them electorally.

@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын

The UK government's argument is valid sex is not gender tldr should not be using it interchangeably you cannot change your sex almost every trans activist is forced to agree on this

@campbella2796 Жыл бұрын

I doubt if the Tories have any interest in breaking up the union. They do likely despise Scotland as a hostile thorn in their side (or yapping terrier if you prefer) but they also know that Scotland breaking away would seriously diminish the UK in terms of global prestige and that (after their own bank balances) is what's closest to their hearts. They could have (and probably should have) allowed a second referendum, justifying it on democratic principles would've been enough for their supporters (after all, in theory the UK is a democratic nation and the union a voluntary one). However I think they rather enjoy saying no to Scotland and I think that petty one-upmanship is also what's fundamentally behind this latest episode in Anglo-Scottish relations.

@davidbaker6157 Жыл бұрын

Breaking things and then blaming the liberal governments that are voted in to fix their increasingly large messes seems to be the playbook of conservative parties the world over and it appears to have been that way for decades as right wing parties get more and more out of touch with reality

@autarchprinceps Жыл бұрын

As a non-British with no skin in the game, in moments like this I must ask, do they want Scotland to leave? They certainly couldn't have chosen a more confrontational route that made them look like the bad guys any more, if they tried.

@FAL87 Жыл бұрын

Exactly how i see that. For ne it Kinds looks like the English consrrvatives need a enemy all the time to distract from their failures. And it somehow works for them.

@Nobody28265 Жыл бұрын

We (the public) want the Scots, Welsh and Northern Ireland to stay within the Union. The Government however is drunk at the wheel and it seems doing all they can to sow discourse between the public as a distraction

@autarchprinceps Жыл бұрын

@@Nobody28265 Yes, by they I obviously meant the goverment. But someone also elected them.

@FAL87 Жыл бұрын

@@Nobody28265 The Government was voted in by the public though.

@Nobody28265 Жыл бұрын

The last general election was in 2019. We have had 4 prime ministers since then. How this reshufflling has not set off another General Election is bewildering. Forgive my frustration

@mix3k818 Жыл бұрын

Well, that's one way to rally Scottish nationalism.

@Luciaz-FAH Жыл бұрын

lol

@harrymillar4193 Жыл бұрын

I can almost guarentee this is the exact reason the Scottish Government made this decision…

@markaxworthy2508 Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily. If the "democratic will" of the people of Scotland was to be recognized, this Bill would never have got through the Scottish Parliament in its current form in the first place, because they appear to be overwhelmingly opposed to lowering the age from 18 to 16. If the SNP want to pass the democracy test, perhaps they should listen to the people of Scotland and modify the Bill accordingly?

@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 Жыл бұрын

@@harrymillar4193 labour voted for it Tory's voted for it Lib Dems voted for it

@britnatzaredemocracydenier5922 Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 lmao says the guy from England

@clairewilliams9416 Жыл бұрын

I’m not sure how I feel about the bill itself but seems to me like Sunak shouldn’t be sticking his nose in it and this has nothing to do with equality bill and more to do with his personal views on the issue. Since only about 1% of people globally are transgender I don’t think you can really argue that’s it’s going to significantly affect gender pay equality which seems like a stupid argument already. The bit bit about women’s safe spaces being violated is just laughable at least to me and feels much along the idea that men change their gender purely to win at sports and peep in womens toilets.

@amh9494 Жыл бұрын

You know the vast majority of sexual crime is perpetrated by a minority of degenerate men? Laughing at the women's spaces issue is foolishly naive when that minority will and have used these new rights to get into spaces they've been rightly excluded from in the past. See the US prison system that have allowed a lot of self IDing women into women's prisons and the predictable results. I am in no way saying the majority of trans individuals are these sex offenders but to laugh off these issues is tantamount to laughing at rape imo.

@Megan-ii4gf Жыл бұрын

Oh it's far less than 1%, in the UK 262000 (under 0.4%) identified themselves on the census as not identifying with their birth sex with 118000 not clarifying what they meant by that, of those about 48000 each identified themselves as trans women or trans men (approx 0.07% each). So, the current moral panic is about 48000 people who live across the UK and identify ourselves as trans women. I'm not a predator, I'm not a rapist. I just want my medication and a GRC, but even my gender clinic can't provide me help with acquiring the GRC. It's so inaccessible to begin with, while I started transition in February 2019, it's been 4 years, with about 3 and a half years spent IN ROLE, and I still don't know the first thing about how to get one.. Not to mention that it took 3 years for me to even be seen by a medical professional as the first year my GP literally refused to provide me with a GIC referral at age 21 (that they're legally obligated to do) and instead had me try to find the application form for a GIC myself, which I could only find from an internal NHS database, my next GP was shocked I already had the document when I handed it to her. And the tories have the gall to pretend they're doing enough already, and that I'm a danger to other women? It's so degrading!

@theinvisibleneonrainbowzeb2567 Жыл бұрын

@@Megan-ii4gf unfortunately the tories are so desperate with their stupid 'culture wars', and the terfs are busy spamming up as much social media as they can, that a small minority of humans, just trying to live their lives - literally just trying to live - are the current scapegoat, whipping post and purposefully misrepresented across mainstream media. add to that the fact waiting lists for the very few gender clinics are years long in places, dangerously long IMO, which just puts a marginalised group into an even more dangerous situation. I have met people who have been on various waiting lists 5,6 even 7 years. Sure the pandemic has done a great job screwing things up, but even still As for the stupid strawman argument about Transwomen somehow posing a threat to Cisgender women, you'd think in that case that these transphobic opponents to other humans just being human, that they'd be in favour of hormones, blockers, corrective/affirmative surgeries etc, surely???

@charlotteinnocent8752 Жыл бұрын

For Sunak this is a culture war dog whistle for conservative voters. He wouldn't care about woman or trans people.

@theghostoftom Жыл бұрын

@@Megan-ii4gf I think Philosophy Tube had a video on her transition experience with the NHS and its very similar. It just seems like anyone along the process who doesn't like the idea of translon can just stop the process for months onto years and more than a few see doing so as their duty. Its frustrating trying to explain this to anyone over 35. Most have been convinced by right wing media that any Trans person is mentally ill and dangerous. On the bright side younger people have the openness and, thanks to the internet, access to the experiences of minorities. Not much help to yourself, but hopefully steady change for the better is ahead.

@lostcarpark Жыл бұрын

Very clearly explained. We've had a very similar gender recognition law in Ireland since 2015, and the sky hasn't fallen down.

@Hardcore_Remixer Жыл бұрын

@@doubtingthomas136 There are both pro homosexuality countries and anti homosexuality countries and the sky doesn't fall on either. With this in mind, you may as well consider the bill isn't needed, but it does have a cost. Thus it is and effort which is not required amd thus not worth changing anything, right?

@lizardlegend42 Жыл бұрын

@@Hardcore_Remixer 1) the bill has nothing to do with homosexuality 2) For you the sky mightn't fall down in anti-homosexuality countries, for gay people it does.

@Hardcore_Remixer Жыл бұрын

@@lizardlegend42 Nah, the sky isn't falling on anyone because it just stays where it's been for more than a thousant years. It's just them not liking that same sky. The mariage is considered a sacred act in the archaic religions (for example, Christianism and Islamism) and a marriage between 2 men or 2 women is a total violation of it. Neither Christianism nor Islam can coexist along with the idea of gender change and they aren't something to be regulated by law. Either the sky stays as it is or it will fall on these religions and all of their followers.

@OkyanusKarSen Жыл бұрын

@@Hardcore_Remixer Your brain's wired backwards or something?

@Hardcore_Remixer Жыл бұрын

@@OkyanusKarSen Yes, it has the same comon sense that was 20 years ago in Eastern Europe. Why?

@NeoCherrn Жыл бұрын

It all comes down to the Tories being like "Sure you can do this and are completely within your right to do so, but we don't like it and we need to try and ignite a culture war for support, because our other politics and policies can't stand on their own merits."

@Rune-Thief Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Doctors already do that? So yes, I would like doctors to do their job.

@Rune-Thief Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Just because you think there is no problem, matters not.

@lizardlegend42 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas this is a fix to a lengthy beurocratic process, the bill says nothing about the process of transitioning

@lizardlegend42 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas So they're not discriminated against by their status as trans being known if they don't wish it to be.

@Rune-Thief Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas Except the doctor thinks there's a problem, and the patient thinks there's a problem.

@kolebaby12 Жыл бұрын

just here to remind you not to scroll too deep into this comment section if you don't want to feel bad. love you, take care of yourself.

@whisperingleaves Жыл бұрын

A troll of goodness, a rare sighting indeed!

@jinyrili Жыл бұрын

ty!

@lucymaycry7218 Жыл бұрын

Thank you. May your days be void of stress and your nights be full of rest

@Pemmont107 Жыл бұрын

The internet needs more people like you !

@Catofminerva Жыл бұрын

thank u x

@Tony.H03 Жыл бұрын

The utter irony of two men telling two women 'uh this hurts women's rights and equalities actually'.

@man4437 Жыл бұрын

I can get some women to tell you that if you want

@bundleofbutterflies5016 Жыл бұрын

@@man4437literally lmfao, women dont want MEN running around them

@ADITYASHARMA-im2qo Жыл бұрын

Lol the uk is literally called terf island by yall lefties because of so many gender critical women including the infamous jk rowling.

@bundleofbutterflies5016 Жыл бұрын

@@ADITYASHARMA-im2qo good, i support them

@MalcolmCooks Жыл бұрын

welcome to TERFism

@snowthelegowolf4230 Жыл бұрын

Wow. I mean, I knew the UK was being held together by tape and Queen Elisabeth, but I didn't expect it to happen so suddenly, but damn they're really ripping it apart.

@bigsalmonfish8448 Жыл бұрын

no rishi is making uk better 💪

@callumjohnston858 Жыл бұрын

With the damage to the Union over the last decade, it's nice to know the Tories remain steadfast in their conviction to destroy it. Unfortunately it's probably the only conviction in parliament right now.

@pandaDotDragon Жыл бұрын

I guess it will be a good subject of discussion in the queue outside of the food banks 🙄

@Grim_Beard Жыл бұрын

00:06 Correction needed: Westminster hasn't "blocked a proposal from the Scottish government", they have blocked a Bill _passed_ by the Scottish government.

@ricardosmythe2548 Жыл бұрын

In this case the Scottish goverment only have the power to propose the bill. They don't have the power to pass it. They can pass it through the Scottish Parliament but quite clearly that doesn't mean its automatically passed into law. In this case the UK goverment has had to step in to protect Scottish children. 🙌

@Grim_Beard Жыл бұрын

@@ricardosmythe2548 None of that is true, especially your bigoted bullshit about "protecting children". The Tory intervention is an attack on Scottish trans children.

@ricardosmythe2548 Жыл бұрын

@@Grim_Beard we don't deem people mature enough to decide to drink alcohol until there an adult. Deciding to change one's gender is a much bigger decision and should be treated as such. The long term damage that could be done to people who's minds have been damaged by such stupidity is insurmountable. There's nothing bigoted about it, it's called having common sense, something seriously lacking among some

@ChannelAboutWarriors Жыл бұрын

@@ricardosmythe2548 "among some" yourself, riddle me this. Why can someone shag at 16 but not change their gender?

@ricardosmythe2548 Жыл бұрын

@@ChannelAboutWarriors I didn't say I agreed with the age of consent did I? Children should be protected from damaging influences and educated to be savvy adults, your not am adult until your 18. Same goes for voting/drinking IMO. I'd align it all and simplify things

@dvidclapperton Жыл бұрын

The tories doing to Scotland what the tories were complaining about what the EU was doing to the UK, i.e. interfering in domestic parliament legislation.

@Ksportin Жыл бұрын

The supposed reasoning behind blocking the bill is so vague as to effectively change gender recognition from a devolved issue to a reserved one because they are effectively arguing that any changes to the Gender Recognition Act would harm the Equalities Act and therefore cannot be done. So it could be a distraction attempt or a power grab.

@adrianthoroughgood1191 Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure it made sense for gender recognition to be devolved. People can freely travel between Scotland and England. If the rules are different in Scotland then either Scotland's rules override England's rules when a person travels to England or a person's legal gender is different when the travel to England.

@khebba6683 Жыл бұрын

as a UK trans person I think outside of just general transphobia the reason they've done this is because they expect that lots of transphobes are potential swing voters, they love to say they're a "generally progressive voter who was pushed out by the radical leftists" (even if it's not really true most of the time, and often somewhat the opposite). the current right wing Labour have been actively trying to court transphobes for a while, so the Tories doing something to definitively harm trans people could be a tactic to try and mkae sure they win over those of them who might otherwise have voted Labour, or SNP or whatever. It's also a good distraction from, well; *generally gestures at the uk right now*.

@Ksportin Жыл бұрын

@@adrianthoroughgood1191 I'm not sure it made sense for X to be devolved. People can freely travel between Scotland and England. If the rules are different in Scotland then either Scotland's rules override England's rules when a person travels to England or X is different when the[sic] travel to England. It sounds to me like your problem isn't with gender recognition but devolution in general.

@natenae8635 Жыл бұрын

@@Ksportin Yeah but if you have perks or conditions that recognize a identity in Scotland but England and Wales don't recognize it you essential end up in legal deadlock/limbo. Especially when it comes to ID and legal/public recognition of said gender. So if a person with a unrecognized gender or gender right travels to England. Either England&Wales would be forced to favour a law they never voted on or said person person identity can be recognized as nonvalid/fraudulent.

@TheErmerm999 Жыл бұрын

People can freely move between Northern Ireland and the Republic with both countries agreeing to recognise the others decisions 🙄 🤔

@Steph-zo5zk Жыл бұрын

I don't understand what they're arguing with the equal pay claim part

@bothi00 Жыл бұрын

You're it meant to. It's a smokescreen, it's bullshit.

@elephantman2112 Жыл бұрын

That’s cause it’s nonsense.

@Eddn102 Жыл бұрын

Anything to make life worse for trans people I suppose.

@aspuzling Жыл бұрын

Basically I think they are saying that if a Scottish man being paid a high salary used this change in the law to identify themselves as a woman then that would increase the statistical average pay for women even though no actual improvement to women's pay had been made. They are arguing this would create a false impression that the pay gap between men and women was smaller than it really is. Of course the effect would be absolutely minute and it's a ridiculous argument.

@romanotorri7920 Жыл бұрын

@@aspuzling also, wouldn't the effect just cancel itself out as women transition to men

@baxtardboy Жыл бұрын

According to the most recent poll, if an election were to be held tomorrow the SNP would become the official opposition party in the UK with the tories having just a couple of benches in the far corner. That has nothing to do with this video or the issue at hand... I just like saying it out loud.

@yangziouhci7014 Жыл бұрын

That means bugger all. Poll numbers don’t translate any where near actual votes. Even if there were an election today.

@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. Жыл бұрын

Which poll are you looking at that has such a bizarre outcome? The SNP have 5% (roughly half the vote of the Scottish electorate), even less than Reform UK at 7%.The Conservatives are at 25%, they are almost a certainty to remain the official Opposition.

@damienreilly4347 Жыл бұрын

That's a load of bollocks. Labour and the Tories get far more votes and always will, just because you're an SNP fanboy doesn't mean everyone else is

@CaledonianGaisgeach Жыл бұрын

@@Sir_Gerald_Nosehairs. 50 SNP seats and 25 tory ones, etc. Voter numbers /=/ Oppositon. Seats are what matters

@AWMJoeyjoejoe Жыл бұрын

@@CaledonianGaisgeach At least somebody knows how our parliamentary system works.

@matheusd.rodrigues429 Жыл бұрын

So, the bill just changes the criterea for someone to get a GCR, it does not create a new document nor it gives the document more power. How in the world does this change anything about equality? That's a flimsy excuse, at best.

@vylbird8014 Жыл бұрын

Very flimsy. Though legally it could be ugly: Get a GCR in scotland that isn't recognised in England, and you end up switching your legal gender every time you cross the border.

@SRFriso94 Жыл бұрын

The real reason they've blocked it is because Rishi Sunak is leading a fractured party, and he needs something that they can all rally behind. So it's Sunak's government turning yet another marginalized group into a political football to kick around for the lolz. As for why he's using Section 35 and not Section 32 to block it, which would have been more appropriate, well, Section 32 immediately refers it to the courts. Now, it takes extra steps to get it to the courts, so it takes longer.

@BeanCounterProductions Жыл бұрын

@@prasanththomas3130 Why don't you?

@Londronable Жыл бұрын

@@prasanththomas3130 I mean, having heard from trans people in Brussels even here they have the occasional problems and we have a trans minister.

@e79905 Жыл бұрын

Don't feed the troll guys.

@jimmydavis7587 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas They are a marginalised group. Anti trans violence has increased by 400% I recent years

@jimmydavis7587 Жыл бұрын

@Prasanth Thomas this isn't actually happening though, there is no data to back this up. It's hand wringing daily mail propaganda to whip up fury and sell papers to the meat and 2 veg brigade

@sampfrost Жыл бұрын

blocking at the last minute seems like bollocks

@kieraisverybored Жыл бұрын

Because it is lmao

@bothi00 Жыл бұрын

@@kieraisverybored it's the Tories testing the waters. Were they to do this on literally anything else, tbe backlash would be infinitely higher and the ,over for independence exponentially accelerated. Unfortunately, trans rights are such a wedge issue that this is the one they can use to divide up the support.

@kieraisverybored Жыл бұрын

@@bothi00 Oh I’m in complete agreement, from a political strategy point of view, the tories had no other choice. However, I think it still leaves them very vulnerable on the scottish independence front.

@KiltBill2 Жыл бұрын

Because TW still have bollocks, because their males.

@xotan Жыл бұрын

You are far too polite. This is the same game as Westminster played with the Irish Home Rule Act 100 years ago, and look where that led to - an independent Republic and a very bloody enclave. Don't play politics with peoples lives on any level..

@NeovanGoth Жыл бұрын

I still don't understand what their fucking problem is. Did Westminster really argue that a tiny amount of citizens getting treated a bit better would introduce unacceptable statistical effects, or am I just lacking the language skills to get it? O_o

@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын

How do you know it's going to remain a tiny amount?

@airace_x Жыл бұрын

W to Westminster

@Grant-dx3qt Жыл бұрын

@@ShankarSivarajan Who cares if it does or doesn't? It's not your business.

@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын

@@Grant-dx3qt See, that's a _different_ argument. To use that and remain intellectually honest, you'd have to stop saying it won't have any statistically significant effects.

@twiggledy5547 Жыл бұрын

"I just think a tiny population could be better served if we put half the population in constant danger" Lmao.

@Zine2me Жыл бұрын

Heaven forbid Westminster do anything around their critical situation at home. This should make a big enough stink to distract from the NHS.

@EpicGamingDwarf Жыл бұрын

Thank you for covering this well, i was somewhat concerned about the coverage since most media outlets have had a.... questionable coverage.

@davidmcintyre8145 Жыл бұрын

We have to remember that whatever side of the independence/union debate you are the vast majority of MSP's supported this move and that all it did was to bring Scots law which is different to English law into line with the EU,Canada,Australia and many others. Meanwhile many grass roots Tories are fighting tooth and nail to allow"convesion therapy"as a"cure"for the LGBT community

@davidmcintyre8145 Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas Remember what matters to the Tories when push comes to shove is the views of the 170,000 or so donors to and members of the Consevative and Unionist party along with the proprietors of the establishment media(Sun,Daily Mail,Daily Express and Telegraph)who are almost exclusively extremely wealthy elderly white men who belong to the high CoE with a phobia of anything that they do not see as"Conservative"

@davidmcintyre8145 Жыл бұрын

@DoubtingThomas Besides being Tories they would be happier trying to get into the"Divine Treasury"the afterlife where the Star Trek Ferengi race want to go after they die

@256shadesofgrey Жыл бұрын

Considering how well conversion therapy works to create the alphabet soup people (i.e. rapid onset gender dysphoria), I don't see a reason why it wouldn't work to cure them. Conversion therapy may not work on some people who are genuinely trans, but it will certainly help reduce the detransition rates by catching the cases where gender dysphoria is a misdiagnosis earlier, and save thousands of kids and young adults from disfiguring their bodies and regretting it afterwards (i.e. get rid of most of the r/transregret posts by solving the problem at the root).

@btdyaya3771 Жыл бұрын

@@256shadesofgrey omg i haven't seen anyone mention ROGD in months that's hilarious. can't believe people unironically believe in blanchardism 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀

@CatherineKimport Жыл бұрын

Even couched in legalese their argument still says "We're butthurt because this bill makes it harder for us to exclude people"

@CaylaHardwicke Жыл бұрын

Yep, it's disgusting

@twiggledy5547 Жыл бұрын

Protecting women is inherently transphobic. Because you should absolutely allow rapists in women's spaces!

@michaelwoolley7034 Жыл бұрын

Exclude people by blocking lying on one's birth certificate? Changing your gender doesn't suddenly mean the sex you had at birth changes

@CaylaHardwicke Жыл бұрын

@@michaelwoolley7034 but HRT does, gives someone sexual characteristics of the chosen sex, that's why it's a sex change lol

@michaelwoolley7034 Жыл бұрын

@@CaylaHardwicke no, it doesn't retrospectively change history. It changes ones appearance to mimic that of the opposite sex, to make fulfilling one's chosen gender identity easier, but that isn't the same as changing sex. "Sex change" is a convenient if imprecise euphemism

@jackmonaghan8477 Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if we see Scottish Independence by the end of the decade given how far to the right the Westminster parties have shifted.

@amb163 Жыл бұрын

This is a ridiculous hill for Sunak's government to die on.

@AllanTheBanjo Жыл бұрын

not at all, it's playing to the socially-conservative voters that the conservatives need to keep on side.

@Grant-dx3qt Жыл бұрын

I just hope that if they've chosen to die on this hill that they do, and quickly.

@flooferderp2918 Жыл бұрын

I don’t live in the UK. Exactly why does Westminster have this much power over Scotland?

@ChrispyNut Жыл бұрын

Goes back to when the monarchy ruled. It was all under single domain, so when parliament became a thing it all got moved under than umbrella. It was only fairly recently that devolved powers were granted to the other countries, but they're still limited and it's opened up questions as to why England doesn't have devolved powers (though this is a contentious point as well). Interestingly, the British monarchy is actually Scottish as the English family ran out of descendants, so asked the Scots to take over the throne (but, we don't talk about that, so hush).

@sheikhusman3 Жыл бұрын

This was a very good explanation mate. Well done!

@lucymaycry7218 Жыл бұрын

Im glad videos like this exist!

@somluck2813 Жыл бұрын

Did not explain why gender is of any interest to the Government. What is so special about gender? Why not register in a Government database an individual's race, ethnicity, sexual preference, religion?

@sheikhusman3 Жыл бұрын

@@somluck2813 I think he was explaining grc and not doing a philosophical debate on gender.

@karankapoor2701 Жыл бұрын

@@sheikhusman3 ironic coming from someone like you

@NinjaHampster117 Жыл бұрын

@@somluck2813 ..... They already do....wtf?

@mimistar1427 Жыл бұрын

When there are conversations on various Trans topics the majority of the time discussion tends to focus on Trans women. There's very little to almost no inclusion of Trans men in the discussions it seems like a disregard of this group. Just my observation.

@HaydenManka Жыл бұрын

Now THIS is how you improve voter's opinions of you government... Definitely

@marti5420 Жыл бұрын

You would be suprised how large the anti transgender base is UK wide. 🤚 Hi I'm trans, I live it. 😅

@what-oy8il Жыл бұрын

Well, it did improve it for me.

@erica.5620 Жыл бұрын

@HaydenManka Жыл бұрын

@@erica.5620 Biology disagrees with your statement

@erica.5620 Жыл бұрын

@@HaydenManka Which part? What's included in basic GCSE biology? One with ability to bear children, and the other classically competing for the right for those children to be theirs? This was never up for debate in the entirety of human history. And now as we confuse countless children, render god knows how many people infertile, I hope you think it worth it. You selfish moron.

@hairyhaggis7431 Жыл бұрын

UK Gov seems to be kicking up a fuss about something that is not in conflict with UK law. Sad that trans people will be used as a football between two Govs in a constitutional fight.

@lancethrust9488 Жыл бұрын

WHAT THE 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 % OF TRANS ALIVE TODAY LOL WHO CARES

@jackgadsby1398 Жыл бұрын

Your talking bollocks

@fives0238 Жыл бұрын

@@lancethrust9488you yourself only make up 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% of the population so why should we care about you? Trans Rights are Human Rights

@Mira_linn Жыл бұрын

@@lancethrust9488 so it is around 0,5% btw or 1 in 200

@lancethrust9488 Жыл бұрын

@@fives0238 GET OUT OF HERE RAINBOW SHILL , ITS A POLITICAL AGENDA FUNDED BY GEORGE SOROS

@TragoudistrosMPH Жыл бұрын

Conservatives are disturbing: "this is a political ploy by both sides" Regardless of how you view the situation, trans people are suffering because one party chose to block something that helped trans people. At the end of the day, "Both sides" are not denying rights to a small group of people...

@michaelwoolley7034 Жыл бұрын

The bill does not provide any human rights so blocking it does not deny them It only provides the privilege of rewriting history without being questioned

@SkyEcho7 Жыл бұрын

🏆 EXCELLENT! Very clearly explained. Thank you

@Emanon... Жыл бұрын

The English, don't want EU "meddling and interference", but will happily trample on Scottish rights and self-rule. I'm not British, but I believe Westminster has made Scottish independence inevitable.

@kanewhitehead1522 Жыл бұрын

As an Englishman I support Scottish independence, only because I think it will be pretty funny to see Scotland become a woke dictatorship where people are sent to prison for using the wrong pronouns.

@Emanon... Жыл бұрын

@@EdgyDabs47 I believe you're the one who's absolutely misinformed. Scotland voted overwhelmingly to stay in the EU and the IndyRef was predicated on the UK remaining in the EU. Where the hell do you get your information?

@EdgyDabs47 Жыл бұрын

@@Emanon... Sorry, i had it backwards

@billcipherproductions1789 Жыл бұрын

Firstly, it's the UK. Get a brain. Secondly, Scottish Independence won't happen without a referendum. So wake up,. Have a good day. 🙄🙄🙄🙄

@spartanx9293 Жыл бұрын

The SNP is notoriously authoritarian they may well have Independence but they will not have a free country

@napoleonibonaparte7198 Жыл бұрын

As for people criticising Labour for not stopping it, Labour remembers Miliband, the pocket, and 2015 like a trauma. So I don’t blame them.

@kossttamojaan Жыл бұрын

well the way things are going for the Tories in England I suppose they would need something like this to distract voters from the mess at home

@nbmoleminer5051 10 ай бұрын

That's all the elite and corrupt ever do.

@George_M_ Жыл бұрын

Gee it's almost like Scotland should be independent. Also, getting treatment in the UK is a shitshow. Conservative doctors routinely deny and the health system makes it hard to switch.

@keyboarddancers7751 Жыл бұрын

It's not the fault of 'conservative' doctors. In Britain, it is unethical to demonstrate political bias within the context of the direct administration and delivery of health services. Doctors must practise according to the NHS' clinical guidelines along with its national and regional funding priorities. Trans gender treatments for adults fall under that remit as do many other health interventions.

@ciaranbrk Жыл бұрын

Tories have made a big mistake here it just gives Hollyrood more ammo to push for independence. They have seriously made an error.

@Cooltaha Жыл бұрын

Got a license for yer gender m8? Seriously though they need to get rid of any transgender laws. This trend of changing gender for no reason other than "I feel like it" is rather stupid. Shame the UK still has them.

@henryambrose8607 Жыл бұрын

What makes you say that's the only reason? Have you ever spoken to a transgender person? It's not something that is taken lightly, nor something they would wish upon themselves or others.

@Cooltaha Жыл бұрын

@@henryambrose8607 yeah you're right it shouldn't be taken lightly. It should be taken with extreme retardedness. Can never trust the transgender's own words.

@henryambrose8607 Жыл бұрын

@@Cooltaha why is that? They're people. If you're not willing to even attempt to understand this topic you shouldn't feel confident enough to speak on it.

@afaxmachine5045 Жыл бұрын

So if everyone called you as the opposite sex than you are, you would be fine with it?

@Cooltaha Жыл бұрын

@@henryambrose8607 I have the confidence.

@HighAdmiral Жыл бұрын

Good. The less minors being fooled into "transitioning", the better.

@theeperson3764 Жыл бұрын

Trans people are born with brain structures that have neurological pathways and sizes that are more similar to the brain structures observed in the opposite sex as to what they are.

@HighAdmiral Жыл бұрын

@@theeperson3764 ...and? you can wait until you're an adult.

@stickman8459 Жыл бұрын

@@theeperson3764that’s a false statement, and traditional gender dysphoria (dysphoric from birth) only accounts for about 5% of modern gender dysphoria cases mainly being woman aged 11-14

@V34035 Жыл бұрын

@@theeperson3764 But you need to verify if your are trans with a brain scan, because trans ppl are born in the wrong body, but these days no one does that.

@timh7882 Жыл бұрын

@@theeperson3764 that's such nonsense. You've been taken in by idionlically driven studies.

@NinjaHampster117 Жыл бұрын

Go ahead, keep reminding Scotland their government is sitting at the kid's table. The vote to leave was already close last time and that was before brexit.

@IT_217 Жыл бұрын

One of the strongest arguments for voting 'No' in the independence referendum, from my perspective, was the uncertainty about whether or not Scotland would be able to quickly join the EU. Then we got dragged out against our will anyway. If there was another referendum and the independence argument was able to offer promise of better trans rights *and* rejoining the EU then there'd be little chance I could be convinced not to vote for that!

@ShankarSivarajan Жыл бұрын

Yes, and Tiocfaidh ár lá, the South Will Rise Again, and Catalonia will be a new state in Europe. But in reality, Scotland isn't going to be independent anytime soon.

@theoretisch4429 Жыл бұрын

Watched the video through now, Jesus the "arguments" of the tories are laughable af

@fisherjam5182 Жыл бұрын

As the video stated all this bill dose is change what's on your birth certificate what your gender is on your marriage certificate and what's your buried as. It's such a non issue, and effects nothing, all it dose is give just a little bit of support to marginalised community's.

@yt.personal.identification Жыл бұрын

It also distracts attention from other issues. Is that all they really want?

@whisperingleaves Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I don't know why such a massive amount of the population treat these minor changes as a security risk to women.

@warbossgrotsmasha23 Жыл бұрын

riiiight...now this no big deal, tomorrow they'll knock down your door and force you to house a transsexual that will occasionally rape your daughter and wife otherwise you're a bigot if you refuse...look at the shit happening in the USA like that case where a schoolgirl was raped in a women's bathroom by a dude who posed as a woman

@lucymaycry7218 Жыл бұрын

@@yt.personal.identification beware politics in the age of information, ye who enter here~

@Profanity1 Жыл бұрын

This bill would allow a registered sex offender to change their gender within three months.. Yeah can't see any potential issue at all there..... So no, that's not all this bill "does"

@liamcassidy5992 Жыл бұрын

A 400 year old union breaking apart because of transphobia was not in my 2023 bingo book, the year’s only just starting lads, leave some absurdity for the next couple months

@rollerskdude Жыл бұрын

You clearly have never witnessed a phobia in your life if you believe that, that's a phobia. It relates clearly to careers and the equalities act. It makes it so for example someone who has spent 16 years of their life as a biological male as an athlete in male sports cannot simply on a dime legally change their gender and start competing in female sports. And if rejected sue on the grounds of wrongful rejection. It extremely effects that issue. If it was a phobia they'd be too scared to even acknowledge it, let alone block it.

@liamcassidy5992 Жыл бұрын

@@rollerskdude fuck‘s sake you’d think people would learn that “…-phobia” can mean more than just “fear of”, words like transphobia ans homophobia have existed for a fair few years now and mean hate or irrational dislike and aversion as opposed to fear

@gimp7194 Жыл бұрын

Not a britbonger, don't know much about the folks in westminster But this just sounds like transphobic conservatives being transphobic and conservative

@twiggledy5547 Жыл бұрын

Yes. And that's a good thing.

@BoraCM Жыл бұрын

I like that TLDR News are using that thing in the corner now, so it’s more obvious an advert is coming up.

@leoalexander8510 Жыл бұрын

I appreciate the information and reporting, but the ad transition was a bit … tactless. The notion of the world becoming less safe is something that is very close to me as a trans person and it is genuinely terrifying to see attitudes towards people like me shifting more and more into the negative. Switching from that to the fear of internet scams was a bit of a shock for me. So… thank you for the informative video and everything, but please try to think more about the way you transition to ads

@garblehose Жыл бұрын

5:29 "This effectively means, that people who wouldn't have been able to gain access to a group, now would be able to; violating women's' rights to be in a single sex group, which in turn, goes against the Equalities Act" Did anyone else hear that statement then suffer a migraine when trying figure out how something called "the equalities act" is used to help exclude people?

@philipjones3599 Жыл бұрын

No the literally is the point of the equalities act.

@Grothgerek Жыл бұрын

As a german with a friend in Scottland I just want to declare my support for the independence movement. I'm not a big fan of independence movements, because I think the world should unite more. But the UK, or England to be more specific, already proved that they aren't able to do the bare minimum... The UK still hadn't learned there mistake after dozens of times. The US, India, and now Scotland (just to name the big ones). If you play hegemon and treat the rest of your people like subjects and not equal partners, the consequence is, that they say "fuck you" and leave you (even if you don't allow it).

@felisd Жыл бұрын

Huh.... "we're blocking this because it means that someone lived as a man before transitioning obviously made more money than they would now as a women and that's UNFAIR" is certainly a hot take...

@Imperial_Squid Жыл бұрын

This is such dumb culture war nonsense... Also looking forward to the comments section having a normal one on this topic

@kieraisverybored Жыл бұрын

Literally

@_Kiren_ Жыл бұрын

Isn't it. Why do people make such a fuss about a law that doesn't really affect them?

@Jajalaatmaar Жыл бұрын

Such a silly argument. 99% of laws don't directly influence you. Why not remove all money laundering laws or remove penalties for murder? Probably won't affect you anyway.

@theAEDan Жыл бұрын

@@_Kiren_ because normalising insanity absolutely does effect you through the knock on effect it has on society. Personally, I don’t want my children exposed to drag queen story hour.

@yt.personal.identification Жыл бұрын

@@Jajalaatmaar That is a false equivalent. Those laws you list have a victim, and/or money and possessions involved.

@barryhomeowner9293 Жыл бұрын

Providing more arguments for Scottish independence for a pyrrhic victory in a one way culture war that will turn out to be so short and unnoteworthy it'll deserve less than a paragraph in future history textbooks. Good work all round, lads.

@007kingifrit Жыл бұрын

look how insane and sissy scottland has become, they can't handle independence

@gibospartan6185 Жыл бұрын

Couldn’t have described it better

@robertgalliher4787 Жыл бұрын

Based on the arguments you've presented Gender Recognition Bills are only devolved in theory. Any actual attempt to pass a Gender Recognition Bill would face the same arguments.

@grahamleiper1538 Жыл бұрын

If Scotland wanted Tories making our decisions we'd maybe have voted for them sometime since the 1950s. A lot of people, myself included, were ambivalent about this legislation. Not any more.

@rosspatterson1233 Жыл бұрын

So you’re just supporting it because another group aren’t?

@grahamleiper1538 Жыл бұрын

@@rosspatterson1233 no, I'm supporting it because my country's parliament (including majorities of 4 of the 5 parties represented there) voted it through after prevaricating about it for years, only for the parliament of the country next door, run by people who have not won in Scotland since the 1950s, to decide "nope". If we wanted Conservatives in charge we'd vote for them.

@muntTV Жыл бұрын

This bill will just help the unsound and reclusive escape their own lives and find a clique, this is the issue with the bill. Not your politics.

@rosspatterson1233 Жыл бұрын

@@grahamleiper1538 you know what, I actually agree with this. It shouldn’t matter how people outside Scotland feel. Even if you don’t support the bill, it’s for Scotland and Scotland only to decide.

@PYDPIPER Жыл бұрын

@@muntTV : But here's the thing, the Tories are making it political by claiming it breaks devolved rules that has nothing to do with the bill, try keep up to date.

@raji8671 Жыл бұрын

You are my main source of UK politics, keep up the good work good sir... 😊

@eldritchdonkey6090 Жыл бұрын

At this point I think I'd rather vote SNP than Labour and I'm not even in Scotland.

@markaxworthy2508 Жыл бұрын

If the "democratic will" of the people of Scotland was to be recognized, this Bill would never have got through the Scottish Parliament in its current form in the first place, because they appear to be overwhelmingly opposed to lowering the age from 18 to 16. If the SNP want to pass the democracy test, perhaps they should listen to the people of Scotland and modify the Bill accordingly?

@davidbodor1762 Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 Stop spamming every comment when the video LITERALLY shows it had scross party support from Greens, SNP, Labor and even 3 conservatives. This IS the democratic will of the people of Scotland by a HUGE margin. Shut up.

@pauls3204 Жыл бұрын

@@markaxworthy2508 cross party support from all sides of a non ffp parliament is a very difficult thing to achieve Also, it was in a couple of party manifestos , so just like Brexit Nate ! People knew what they were voting for .

@markaxworthy2508 Жыл бұрын

@@pauls3204 Indeed, cross party support in Scotland is difficult to achieve, even in the incomplete way managed here. However, the fact remains that there are parts of the Bill that the population of Scotland does not support. There is also the question of whether it adheres to the strict letter of devolution law. This we will find out. Whichever way it goes, the parameters of devolution law will be a little clearer. The manifestos contained general reference to this bill and a clear majority of Scots were (and are) in favour in principle. However, the manifestos necessarily lacked specifics and there are areas of the Bill as passed at Hollyrood which a clear majority of Scots oppose. One example is the 18/16 age issue, which was not in the SNP manifesto and is opposed 3:1 (66% to 21%) by the Scottish population according to opinion polls.

@markaxworthy2508 Жыл бұрын

@@davidbodor1762 Sorry, but a public opinion poll published in The Herald only five days ago "LITERALLY" showed that only 21% of Scots were in favour of lowering the age from 18 to 16 as opposed to 66% who opposed it. Before advising other posters to "Shut up", don't you think you should perhaps do a bit of research to ascertain the facts first?

@andrewrogers3067 Жыл бұрын

I feel like it’s only a matter of time before Scotland secedes…No matter how bad of an idea it is them England are continuously fed up with eachother.

@jono_cc2258 Жыл бұрын

Why no mention of a Section 33? It would also help provide some context as to how serious a Section 35 is.

@RemziCavdar Жыл бұрын

Scotland needs to become independent already. The English have decided things there for too long.

@SWTORROLEPLAY1998 Жыл бұрын

Mind your business foreigner we Scots are happy here you make us out to be victims of England further could be from the truth

@DrVictorVasconcelos Жыл бұрын

I immediately thought exactly what the Scottish government said. That's clearly an excuse to get this before a court and therefore have a nonzero chance of satisfying their sensibilities.

@Jalilhalman Жыл бұрын

The still of the Scottish FM pouting caught me off guard. 😅

@crimsonleaves9034 Жыл бұрын

Scotland v Westminster would be an interesting court case

@metropod Жыл бұрын

If you are watching this and saying to yourself “this is a lot of trouble to go through…” welcome to my life as a trans woman, where I wake up every day to hate speech being thrown my way and the people making it being applauded by large sections of society.

@StarboyAngel Жыл бұрын

If you really want to improve get a job and don't argue first listen then think then counter argue with calm voice. Loud voice means a challenge for other arguer so neither side is gonna listen.

@what-oy8il Жыл бұрын

I hate victims. Shoo!

@metropod Жыл бұрын

@@StarboyAngel I have a job, thank you very much… a well paying, Union job with a local government agency where I live. I just happen to also be trans and really, really would just like if for people like me to be left alone to live our lives in peace… not having people treat us like we’re monsters just because we’re outside the limited realms of their understanding.

@StarboyAngel Жыл бұрын

@@metropod I was just saying how to win argument.

@EdgyDabs47 Жыл бұрын

God it must be so hard for you to survive in a first world country like the UK. The horror! Your life must be so difficult! My heart bleeds for you!

@bernalshawn39 Жыл бұрын

But England wasn’t wrong to block this

@wendyjones363 Жыл бұрын

I never imagined that our government was so misogynistic. Very disappointing.

@007kingifrit Жыл бұрын

....shemen are not real women

@TwoWholeWorms Жыл бұрын

If the Tories never get into power again, it'll be too soon.

@Toramenton Жыл бұрын

Thank you for another great video. Before watching I thought the UK government's position was pretty weak, but after watching your great explainer it's clear that the UK government really is talking out their arse.

@Rando423 Жыл бұрын

Based Westminster’s

@Senshidayo Жыл бұрын

I am wondering why there is a reserved right for women-only spaces? Do British people also have men-only spaces? Is this similar to the bathroom/dorm room argument people had in the US with transgender individuals or is this something different? And if you already allow people to legally change their registered gender, how is wouldn’t that already affect wage scales and gender exclusive spaces. This entire legal regime seems less about equality and more about social control, including controlling the will of Scottish voters. And quite frankly it feels crazy from an American perspective… equality is a great goal but if you don’t care what gender people were born as then you really can’t control for gender wage differences or any other differences.

@ForestFWhite Жыл бұрын

It isn't hard to figure out how to pay equally, not that any institution pays equally.

@Danmarinja Жыл бұрын

As a trans person, the amount of freedoms I’m restricted from is already massive, now it’ll be even harder to get the help I need.

@Erry4576 Жыл бұрын

Good.

@PiOfficial Жыл бұрын

Freedoms such as? I think it’s disgusting you get free hormones, puberty blockers etc whilst old people are left in hallways to die.

@bdouglas9723 Жыл бұрын

Like what?

@bigsalmonfish8448 Жыл бұрын

good

@HonestMan112 Жыл бұрын

You're not restricted from any freedoms. Stop lying.

@davidvacha824 Жыл бұрын

Good thing westmisnter blocked this, you shouldnt give the ability to get a GRC to CHILDREN

@davidvacha824 Жыл бұрын

@FollowTheHowl if the laws work different in the uk then idk but anything under 18 is still a minor from what I know

@davidvacha824 Жыл бұрын

@FollowTheHowl that is a fair point, why can minors vote over there?

@davidvacha824 Жыл бұрын

@FollowTheHowl the uk is taking a wierd approach there imo, you should only be able to do most of those things from 18, maybe not have sex, that's 15 here but definitely have kids and pay taxes imo

@HomebaseLHR Жыл бұрын

I dunno man… I think there’s more important issues to focus on, both in Scotland and the UK as a whole. Ya know. The raging drug crisis in Scotland, violent crime in England, the NHS falling apart across the entire country, a housing and cost of living crisis…

@TheErmerm999 Жыл бұрын

Yeah absolutely a bill that effect a couple of thousand people should have been done in like a month no hassle but tons of miss information slowed everything down, to make hate as a political football

@mm-yt8sf Жыл бұрын

if, as a mental exercise, we leave behind what the majority of the public would or wouldn't consider reasonable...is it possible that anything at all can be circuitously linked to affecting one of the reserved powers? the world is a complex system and i wouldn't be surprised if everything (eventually) touches on everything...

@roberthudson3386 Жыл бұрын

Every time I look at a news story in 2023, I am constantly thinking of how insane the world has become compared to the days of my youth.

@humorpalanta Жыл бұрын

Nah man. The world did not change. You just have access to way more news.

@roberthudson3386 Жыл бұрын

@@humorpalanta If you seriously don't think the world has changed since the 1990s, you're just wrong. For better or worse. Frankly I think it's insane but there you go.

@riyapatel6291 Жыл бұрын

@@humorpalanta go back 10 20 30 40 50 100 200 ect years and say . " oh this is the good old days in my day the PM lied to the Queen Regnant to illegally porouge Parliament was found guilty no punishment and he also in his taxpayer funded office threw a drug filled drunken illegal party with cabinet the day before the Prince Consorts funeral . Got away scot free and 100 MPS and some of the public want him to he PM again " We are living in insane times . I ain't a monarchist by the way .

@viviaesSarsen Жыл бұрын

What a lot of folks have failed to mention is that the hurdles of getting a GRC aren't as simple as they appear. It requires living in your assigned gender for at least 2 years, which requires a heavy evidential paper trail proving that you have changed your name and other identifiable things for the duration. More importantly, it requires a diganosis of gender dysphoria, of which there are only about 12 clinics for across the entire UK. These clinics are over capacity. The wait list has increased to over a decade to have an intake appointment. This was a band-aid to an already awful situation for what is one of the most marginalised groups in society. I've been transitioning in the UK now for about 3 years. I had to pay out of pocket for private care, which didn't really give me the support I need. I now self medicate as the NHS has refused to assist me due to internal policies which have been refused change. My local doctor won't even assist with blood tests to be sure my medication doesn't cause health complications. If you would like a more detailed explaination of the situation for trans people in the UK, Abigail Thorn made an excellent video explaining much of what's going on.

@keyboarddancers7751 Жыл бұрын

"My local doctor won't even assist with blood tests to be sure my medication doesn't cause health complications." No NHS doctor who values her/his licence would associate with an unofficial private medical treatment. In the main, medics in Britain tend not to get involved with transgender treatments because they don't want to get their fingers burned (e.g. future litigation).

@viviaesSarsen Жыл бұрын

@@keyboarddancers7751 which is understandable, but continues to show structural failings playing out. I hold no ill against doctors for protecting their license. In Wales for example, trans healthcare is far more accessible due to the GP support structure they have in place. England could adopt the same but are choosing not to.

@Luredreier Жыл бұрын

You gotta be kidding me... Of *all* the things that they *could* have blocked they picked *this* as worth risking the union?!? Seriously, I thought that the conservatives where against Scottish independence and then they do *this*?

@keyboarddancers7751 Жыл бұрын

Excellent strategy by the SNP which was fully aware of this potential outcome. Now the people of Scotland must decide although I'm not entirely sure that all advocates of independence are also advocates of trans genderism. Let's hope it doesn't lead to a split or a reduction in the independence vote...