They thought they were a special breed but the truth is that their character is carrying them on T8

@@Jinetee look online ranking and championships before talk it

@@rodrigoaraujo7323Torunaments have NOTHING to do with how broken a character is. Rangchu got into many finals with fucking Kuma so stfu

Just lay down and take the damage it’s literally nothing

@@woolfie8766 so we tryna argue that learning to not stand up for the guard break means you know the yoshi matchup? And im not even gonna entertain the idea of yoshi needing that setup with all his other insane options

@@giorgosmpaklesis6306 what are you talking about? You may not know the matchup but just because you don't know what to do doesn't make it broken lol

flash is easily the strongest part of his kit, lol, that's an issue right there

@@Doublejho That's true, but Flash is a little telegraphed. I just wait for the opportunities where a Yoshi would Flash me and punish him on a whiffed Flash. If you fail to recognise these scenarios tho (I have myself) you'll get launched or take over 40 damage.

​@@HoDoBoDo telegraphed implies you can see it's coming out also, you say waiting for the opportunities, but depending on your character it's always an opportunity, and if you wait in those windows then it's a win for yoshimitsu by default because you're already giving him room to breathe, and all of your mixups now become HIS mixup of whether he's going to flash or not it's one of the few moves in the game where it's just as strong not using it as when you do

@@Doublejho Yh I can see it coming, and most times I win.

@@Doublejho Also I play Lars, and I don't get the giving the room to breathe part on my end. Most times I see Yoshi Flash is after when I do db4, DEN3, or when he does 2,2NSS,Flash. Not giving him breathing from when I press nothing since he's unsafe when he does Flash, and he has no advantage.

Staying down and taking a good chuck of damage is still too much , even grounded .. we should be able to side roll or something. With Paul’s attack, you hold back on throw out a 12 frame or faster attack, and you’re counter hit

That shit still hits you on the ground, and its not even hard to input. I wish they kept the just frame into f1+2 tech and just tweaked his combo damage, he would be ok i think

Do you understand that you will still get the same damage if I choose this tech or I will choose ordinary combo … there is no way you can escape damage after bounce with any character

@@fisherflush it doesnt matter oki can mean just as much or more then a big damage combo when it pins u to the floor and it even relaunches sometimes

@@llamad3381 it only relaunches if you get up into it. It's literally just a combo ender, Yoshi's recovery after it is so long you can stand back up to neutral if you don't press

He actually never been a top tier in the history of tekken if that were the case then how come no yoshi players win in major tournaments often?

@@mibbzx1493 Because he's been bad in every previous game. He's never been this good ever. They ARE winning in tournaments at the moment, lol.

@@kingenfuuken no tf he’s not 😂 i watch the tournament, he does ok up until between top 32ish it’s extremely hard to get past the hump at high level. When ppl know the matchup, he struggles HARD. The difference between like king or jin who are top tier is that even if you know the matchup, they’re still difficult to stop even if you’re breaking throws for instance land one RDC or giant swing out weighs the 10 grabs you break because the risk of doing it isnt that high and only resets neutral. They also dont have to take that many risk compared to yoshi who has ALOT of duckable strings with his new moves and gaps that will delete him if they know what they’re doing. He also lacks a proper throw game since he has no 2 break throw and sidestep game and his tracking is garbage compared to everyone else in the cast. He’s always been playing from behind and still not quite there yet imo since he honestly lost more setups and unblockables than he gained.

@@mibbzx1493 Kaneandtrench just came 5th at dreamhack, and has been doing well in every t8 tournament he's been to. Yoshi downplayers are so funny. Yoshi doesnt take many risks in tekken 8, not even close to what he was like in tekken 7. You can play extremely safe while applying gauranteed 50/50's, the highest damage combos in the game aside from maybe Leroy or Dragunov, all the while with the threat of a 6 frame heat engager or 8 frame launcher to stop your opponent from taking plus frame advantage. Yoshi is S tier in this game and you're straight up delusional if you think otherwise. Just because he's hard to pilot doesn't mean he's not insanely busted, lol. I love watching high level Yoshi play and I'm happy that he's strong now and getting some love, but cmon man.

@@kingenfuuken just because we got a handful of good yoshi players doesn’t mean that he’s top tier 😂 its called outliers. Flash got nerfed 5 times so stop using that as a crutch. Its not always about damage. It takes a brilliant mind to get yoshi to work at high level thats why you dont see him often. He’s hard asf to compete with compared to other characters who dont have to work nearly as hard like reina, dragonov and feng wei. Im just saying he’s definitely not as strong as you think he is bro. There’s a huge difference between a character being overpowered and broken. He’s neither one of those. He’s not altering the meta in any way shape or form. If you keep getting hit by flash, stop mashing my guy there are so many ways to bait and play around flashes. Its honestly laughable that ppl just wanna mash buttons non-stop and not learn how to play defense. Yoshi has not ever been S tier in his entire existence of tekken, you need to stop the cap 🧢

Like 10 other characters have guardbreak/unblockable oki setups or ki-charge setups or whatever. Kazya in heat has a free oki launcher (get up wrong get launched) that hits grounded on top of his unga bunga 50/50s. Complaining about yoshis guardbreak is dumb, he loses damage and carry to do it. It's extremely telegraphed, just stay grounded.

People would still be upset bc they refuse to learn the matchup anyway.

@@sleepenjoyer-on2dr thats there problem then

His guard break options are his highest combo damage enders, regardless of the opponent staying grounded or not?

"not pressing into yoshi's advantage" bro, flash lets yoshimitsu steal *other characters'* advantage, you have to be +4 to even trade with flash and even then it's a winning trade for yoshimtisu even if you correctly predict and punish flash, it also breaks his hitboxes for some reason and makes some combos on him drop after it's used because of some kind of bug edit: also comments aren't turned off for that video, why are you making things up?

@@Doublejho a bunch of nothing. flash is literally a 2 sided edge where yoshi only has the control to choose when to cut but no who gets cut....mostly. the same old braindead complaining because he has something no other character has. you know like aop, taunt, deathfist,parry it all, F***** ELECTRIC!!!! 90% of matches people cant even punish flash after i spamed it nonstop and they block it nonstop. atleast it is even more fun in 8 to flashspam all these mindless spamers.

@@eVuLeX and yet none of those moves are anywhere near as polarising as flash, it completely changes how you have to play the game and the reward is very much in yoshimitsu's favour

@@Doublejho only because barely anyone plays this character (atleast used to) and even less on a decent level. now with the new game, everyone is up to complaining again. a fast, autopilot punishing move in the closest of close combat. wow. if kazuya was the underdog, everyone would complain about electric. it changes your "game" as much as any other matchup but in a way u cant just mash, and that is what you people are actually complain about with this move + the fact u dont care to lab and experienced yoshis flash you out of strings...HA!

Something something "muh mishimas so hard they need it😫" something something

Because "masku tech" has an easy counterplay where you take zero damage (press up). Yoshi's setup does damage no matter what you do. Come on bro.

@@kingenfuuken still the amount of tears about that is unreasonable. I just tested it also, from df2 launcher you get 63 damage with this tech if they dont stand up, if you do a normal combo you get 70 + wall travel, which means you can get the wall for even more damage. granted you wont always reach the wall but its not like its doing the same damage anyway. Its also not even a 50-50 like kaz or jin because you can see when yoshi is about to do it so you can just stand still

Thats what happen when you suck against someone. Blame the character and not yourself. The trash comments are showing that

...im a kuma main can you explain it in bear language

…im a xiaoyu main can you explain it in bird language

I'm a Yoshi main can you explain that in HIROOOOOOOOOO

Most characters are disgusting in this game. TMM down plays kazuya and always complains about characters he cannot deal with.

i played yoshi for 750 hours straight in T7, played him once in T8 and noticed how bullshit he was switching to steve. Hes not okay.

@datguy6745 lot of characters in T8 are not okay. King, Jun, victor, etc.. I hate playing against yoshi. But TMM reasoning is completely wrong. He favors Mishima because his whole yt channel is based on electrics and kazuya. I almost died of laughing when he said law is S tier

@@ST-pq4dxin his defense for kazuya, he has him A+ in this game and says he’s really strong all the time now

@@ST-pq4dx i hate fighting kaz aswell, but this is about yoshi, not about mishimas.

This community is horrible. You have characters like King, Paul, Azucena (Miguel and Josie in one), and Dragonauv yet whine about Yoshi … embarrassing

​@@jordn7773 yoshi is one of them , why y'all downplaying him , noobie red ranks man

@@Lexionoo i aint saying he aint but i go look at tourneys and see 1-2 Yoshis then i see things like this which confuses me

@@Lexionoo t. Purple rank subhuman

@@jordn7773 The Tekken community is inconsistent because it's always their main vs whatever character they feel like is bullshit. I'm not going to deny that Yoshimitsu has strong tools. However, there is a very good reason why you don't see him often in tournament play. He's a high commitment character and has one of the largest move lists in the game. He's finally back to his Tekken 3 viability days but the community cannot figure out who is cheap and who is fair & balanced.

He def doesnt downplay Kazuya anymore, but he has in the past a bit yeah. I don’t think he downplays as much as everyone says tho

What are you on about. If you play alot of online tekken, whatever he says resonates. I wqs never mad at kazuya beating me cause you can feel they work their asses off to play him. Yoshimitsu is just a tornado of bullshit that should not work and people get to blue ranks without ever hearing about fundamentals.

So many moves don’t work. I got hit by a heat burst in a ranked match and the Un block able windmill move whipped for no reason

what's the set up? He says post bound im not sure what that is. I Wanna lab it, see if he's right.

Anyone who believes his tier list is fair are just dumb and live in an imaginary land thinking opposite

​@@ST-pq4dx what would your tier list be?

​@@jervaniwilliams9071he's trolling, he won't respond because he could never make a semi-coherent tier list.

@@kaua7561 don't be a sheep.

@@jervaniwilliams9071 too early to make a tier list.

he is in line with many other characters in terms of damage, only that he is slower than other characters for example Lee can make you a 90+dmg combo starting from a 14f starter the Mishimas have the 13f electric also Brian 14f and others with magic 4 11f

⁠​⁠@@DarkLess89Xonly Kaz has a 13 frame electric all the others are 14 frames, but beings honest Yoshi was never a real character until this game for 1 game he can be strong

@@DarkLess89X You're crazy bro, Yoshi's damage is top 3 in the game. Where most characters are doing 70-80, Yoshi does 100+.

Wow the Tekken Community sucks. Yeah nerf him though you have glue-eating characters (like Paul, King, Azucena, Jack-8, and Dragonauv) in the game. I wonder who are yall mains, it’ll probably be obvious

@@kingenfuuken when he hit he does much damage, but in general, Yoshi is always prejudiced by high risk in Everything that he do. Yoshi isn't top 3 in championships and online ranking, despite all the dedication of its players

Why would F1+2 be launch punishable? "CD1 was death in 7", it still is in 8 - but what does that have to do with F1+2? It's a mid (1SS) to long (NSS) ranged heat engager. It already is punishable (I think -12?). Is it a good move? Yes, heat engagers generally are, but outside of heat it isn't even a launcher. 3,1 is +7 on block, sure. But only two highs are uninterruptible. Do as most players do - duck and/or back dash. There, +7 just did nothing. KIN2,1+2 should hit grounded, just look at the animation, the movement. If Hwoarang's leg can hit my character who's slumped into the corner of wall and ground by swinging his leg a mile above my head, I feel like a swod stabbing the ground has a right to hit someone on the ground. What it shouldn't do, and I expect that to be the case rather soonish (though not this season anymore, as they said they don't want to do major balancing patches for a while), is simply being a guard break. Remove the guard break, and it suddenly becomes a niche ender for an additional 2 or so damage if you know your opponent is the kind of guy to stay grounded. Damage toned down - I don't fully agree, but I can see where you come from. His base damage shouldn't be high, but he should get a lot of damage from using trickery, Harakiri enders, Flashing and succesful stance maneuvers.

Yep. LOL

because flash is a disgusting move, lol, yoshimitsu is the only character in the entire game who can steal someone's mixup opportunity and launch them with it whilst regaining hp in the process

Found the filthy sewer rat. Yoshi is a cheap and filthy character. Anyone with a brain will know that Yoshimitsu needs heavy nerfs.

@@Doublejho try to play with Yoshimitsu and you see that use the flash in the correct moment isn't so easy and he is poor in strings

@@rodrigoaraujo7323 in the correct moment? man, it's a counterhit launcher with a hitbox as wide as the character, i'm used to miguel's b+1 which took twice as long to come out yet was a high and had similar range, whilst not being unblockable and body-wide fact of the matter exists that flash's very existence means any aggressive play you make has to be ran by it first, it's as psychologically strong as it is in practice

Yea! You’re not a high rank to be talking like you know what’s up, dude. I was thinking you’d be a Tekken King.

@@pureamateur649 bro, i got carried to purple with barely ANY yoshimitsu knowledge

​@@rancersweirdnessthat's because people don't know how to fight him and only like complaining about getting hit by the obvious unblockable. He is definitely strong in this game, but not "you're carried" strong. I also agree with the other commenter, you can't say stuff objectively as a purple rank, i''m currently flame ruler (sadly) but have made it to fujin with yoshimitsu and let me tell you, from kishin onwards, people will not only know how to fight a yoshimitsu, but will destroy them. It's around there onwards you will start to get an idea of how strong a character is and yoshimitsu, although strong, doesn't even make it to top 10.

@@jordanwalker3617 yeah hes like in the middle of carried and strong, he definetly gets u quite far he cant be underestimated but theres counter play too

Yoshi better keep crying

If u think about it, here's a tips against yoshi. Did u know if u be patient and bait him to flash with sword or no sword its -15f? Free launcher man🤣 I seen a lot of red and purple rank just panic flashing man, ez launcher therehahaha

@@byronjosafatmartinelli7373absolutely lol

you have no choice but to play around it

@@byronjosafatmartinelli7373not if your a fckn raven main

@@futureflora yeah, i mean using our brain a bit or being patient won't hurt right? We're not monkey ooga booga i click, as long as we got the W🤣

You can shorten the yoshi set up so it clips back rolls too

@@zionaleem8795 yeah but then it’s not unblockable anymore It’s the mind game but it’s not unescapable or guarantee at all It’s not even really broken

​@@mclacex1 it is still unblockable you'll just wont get guard broken depending of timing and character size . but honestly if you pay attention during a combo u can react and just stay on the ground

@@enki5446 nah Reina gets out of it you just block he’s plus but no unblockable and no guard break The yoshi has to guess the back roll but if they do then they have to shorten it but that’s when you stand straight up so that it becomes a regular attack You have to mix quick stand with back roll

you dont think yoshi is strong?

​@@xHuiehe does but that's his main so it's not his job to address his strengths like everyone who plays Tekken.

He's exaggerating. A and A+ are in a good state, you don't need to tune them. S characters are playing a different game alltogether and need to be brought back down on earth.

Delusional

It's 2 more damage AND A HEAT ENGAGER. And occasionally, it's an entire additional combo (opponent panicked or didn't know the combo, so they get up kicked). If the opponent stays grounded, you still deal more damage than with any other route. Against unknowing opponents, I have gotten 160+ damage setups going to start the fight. Against knowing opponents, I enjoy my free tacked on damage. If I don't see a way to reach a wall, I'll always opt for the guard break options.

@@SyckestBlah No one don’t know the combo. No one hopkick for no reason. Idk what players you face. I know if he is grounded does more damage than any route. But its not like its a significant damage. Just eat the extra damage and move on. It’s still way less than other characters combo damage. If someone tech roll or hopckick or does something stupid like that i’d say he deserve it. For Kazuya if he steel paddle you he gets another oki right away, so here you truly need to pick your pill. With Yoshi there is an objective solution which is just stay grounded. Why is that such a problem?

@@SyckestBlah btw many characters has the same thing. Steve Hwoarang Paul Kazuya. But I wonder why no one talk about them.

@@TurkiTSO I'm quite a fresh Tekken King, so +/-2 that rank is what I face. And well, yeah, I encounter more players that do know than those who don't, but even then it's just his best combo route. Also, personally I wouldn't say it's problematic. But saying it's not worth it, when it just objectively is the highest damage route and occasionally has more upsides is just as pointless.

@@SyckestBlah yeah its his highest but so what. Its not like its that much of a damage. If I remember correctly its 72 only.

Lots of truth. All you've got to do is get up in Yoshi's face and not give him time to do anything. You'll have to be careful of Flash but aggression massively limits his options. If you're playing defensively and waiting for him to make a mistake, you're throwing yourself into his comfort zone.

@@lowlifelennyaggressive but careful of flash what does this even mean bro lmfao if the yoshi has half a brain cell he won’t fall for obvious flash bait and you’ll never take your advantage

@@lowlifelenny That’s right. Basically: You can’t give them time to think and interrupt any nonsense that can guard break. Anything that switches stances especially.

So he's supposed to mash more. Always a preferrable counterplay...

Bro you're delusional

Delusional rat, Yoshi is a filthy character and TMM says nothing but the absolute truth.

@@claudioserafino3385I don’t know about absolute truth but 90% good information

Proffesionaly, huh?

@@GrogedUp grammar nazi, huh?

Why? Other characters have similar setups, it's a cheesy strat that does less damage than a normal ender if the opponent knows. Other characters have far more cheese and yoshi has far better cheese in other moves, what is wrong with guardbreak setup?

@Alimentasable thinking about it, Devil jin's db 1+2 guardbreak is way more op than Yoshi's yet no one bats an eye on it haha

No it isn't. She is very good and the whole top 5 could be swapped around for first.

Delusional, TMM is based.

@@claudioserafino3385 stay on that 🍆 however long you want but do it elsewhere lol

Most delusional yoshi main