I would say that its parentally dependent tho some people just cant. like this isnt a political slant this is from every1. ive seen people from all walks of life who talk about their parents being unable to work with their kid and trying to beat them into a shape you end up making a broken person or end up making a spiteful one thats still poorly formed

You're a freaking awesome parent! I wish 1 of my parents had taken that initiative. Public school for me was literal hell.

There seems to be a potential problem with home schooling. Many are making a big fuss how the remote learning lock downs had harmed the learning / socialization of many children. Would this not be the same for home schooling?

@@bobroberts2371 Exactly! If I hadn't gone to public school, how could I have faced all the bullying that the teachers did nothing about, the lazy teachers that just showed up for a pay check and didn't put any effort into making learning interesting, or even the ones that pushed a far left agenda and punished students that didn't agree with that. Those poor home schooled kids are missing out on so much!

@@RogCBrand All of what you described occur out in the adult world. While not optimal, a public school allows one to be exposed to and deal with many personalities just like in the real world. Are you saying that those whom claim remote learning lock down kids suffered learning / socialization issues are making this up?

my sister says about the same. high school is uhhh an interesting place lol

They disrupt the class because they are bored and uninspired.

@@p4inmaker well then they arrive bored and uninspired since it can start before class even begins. And in any event what kind of excuse is that? I’m bored and uninspired yet I’m not stabbing other kids with pencils and eating staples. What’s become of minimum acceptable behavior?

@@jrbergsten weird since the only time my grandson has been in trouble at school is because he’s finished all his work and the teacher won’t allow him to do anything but sit at his desk and literally do nothing. Not allowed to draw, or read. Just sit. For years that’s how it’s been for him, elementary and middle school. He’d have a decent teacher every once in a while, a couple in middle school teachers would let him wear headphones so he didn’t have to listen to the other kids. For the most part the teachers were idiots. This is a very well respected school district, when people move to our area they specifically move to our city for the schools (I live in a large metropolitan area population over 7 million). He’s in AP classes in high school, the teachers actually don’t let the kids get bored 🤷‍♀️

Look at the food we eat... just that alone...

In the public schools the teachers are the least valued elements.

Mastery based learning can be hard to understand but it is a better system for many students. Why can't kids and families be able to choose between the two (time based and mastery based) for their school experience? Check out Sal Khan's explanation of mastery based learning on KZfaq if you want to learn more. 💪

The Meyers Briggs “test” is voodoo at best. Using it as a valid personality assessment in hiring is illegal according to the EEOC. Using assessments in hiring requires an acute job analysis which then is used to compare candidates.

@@user-th6cw7tu3t ok, so what? I didn't use it for hiring. I took three tests for my own personal interest. Karen

I like aspects of Khan Academy. But, there does need to be a uniting thread through education so we have a shared understanding of ourselves as a nation. And, some kids need a classroom--one of my kiddos struggled with homeschooling whereas my other were fine. The greater degree of structure and other kids learning the same stuff at the same time in person was better. Online is rather depersonalized because there won't be a relationship with a good teacher who can consider good individualized project ideas with students. Everything seems to be getting driven towards individualized everything as though that is somehow better. What is being lost or forgotten? It seems just another swing to an extreme rather than a balancing of beneficial elements.

One problem is that too few 25 year olds who do poorly in school get a second chance at school. The great thing about the GI Bill students after WW2 was that at 25 they were men, while at 18 they were still children.

My Son tries so hard in high school. Quit college and joined the Army because he gave up. He now is a Cyber Security Engineer with 2 master degrees and working on another. It is so Awesome to see

@@centerfiresuppressionllc682 that is fantastic!!

Owning a business doesn’t equate to success. 80% of “business owners” don’t make a profit higher than $1k/mo and even more than that lose money rather than make anything

@@centerfiresuppressionllc682🤦‍♂️

i wish i thought hard about college. i was just going with the flow. Doing ok now with a college degree but wish i was more intentional with my decision.

At UT-Austin back in the 60s,TA’s who graded blue-books for honors classes found that even though the classes were made up of top 10 students from public schools, that there many bright students who could not construct a decent paragraph.

its not going to help if anything the government is at least theoretically, THEORETICALLY responsible to the population. the private sector in education already takes what it can and then sees if it can finagle another couple dollars from your pocket while trimming as much as it can off the program

There needs to be some balance. No Child Left Behind tried to standardize everything and tied funding to test scores. So teaching became teaching to the test and more standardized. The government funded the public school system long before it became the issue it is today. If you ask people that went through it 35+ years ago (before NCLB), it's clear there has been a huge shift (negatively) since that law went into effect. Also, parents becoming less involved, blaming teachers for their student's actions, and reducing punishment for serious problems have added fuel to the fire.

That'll never completely happen. Did you zone out while watching the above video clip? Were you not paying attention at all? The gov. loved that guys idea so much, that's why they implemented it in school. OUR WHOLE F--king society, by which I mean "Economy" is based loosely around that dudes ideas.. When Todd Ross was talking about living in the guys "Shadow"... he was spot on.

If govt gets out of education, just how would you know that the school you are sending your kids to is any good? And don't say that there will be some sort of organization that accredits the schools as this is a form of government.

@@bobroberts2371 How do you yourself determine if any product is good? Short answer is like any sensible individual you research, hear by word of mouth, see the product in use by a individual you associate with or all of the above, our ability to mass communicate with one another is far more effective at determining product worth than a government rubber stamp of approval. The government has no place in that process so why do you feel it needs to be involved in schooling exactly? From my own experience and I'd imagine many others experiences as well, in the moment the government touches anything it falls a part and fails by every quantifiable metric or in the best case scenario it moderately functions, but turns into a never ending money hole that barely manages to deliver adequate results, people whom advocate for the government to be involved with anything always trigger the memory in me of Reagan's speech in which he says the most terrifying words in the English language are "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" and by any reasonable look at any evidence that quote holds true. If we treat schools like any other product in the capital market then the schools will naturally sort themselves, parents will no doubt gravitate to the schools whom deliver the best outcomes for their students and the ones that fail to meet the benchmark of parents expectations will fail. This is not a foreign concept by any means in America, I mean how do you think our Ivy League schools got their start and reputation in the first place? I'll give you a hint it wasn't due to government involvement and all of them were established long before government got involved in the education system to begin with, so why could we not use that very same model by which the Ivy Leagues built themselves on and apply it to the whole education apparatus?

The underlying cause is Consumerism and "Keeping up with the Joneses" attitude.

When our economy fails completely, and I believe it will be sooner than later, all systems, not just education, will deteriorate.

Where do the kids come into it? Your observation is that it's all about the teachers. That sounds like the typical teachers' union agenda.

Lower quality of person? Really? Not everyone does what they do just for the money. And not everyone out here earning $40,000/year is a low quality person. I had some truly great teachers growing up and I know several personally, and I’d say at least 85% do the job because they love it. Money is not a deciding factor. Bring in teachers pay, and who couldn’t use more? That’s a no-brainer. I earn less than most teachers, raised three kids, own a home, have zero debt, drive a 10 year old car, put myself through college in my 30’s, graduated with high honors. You know what I do? Im a warehouse picker. Does that make me low quality? Im doing something I enjoy and I make enough to get by. I’m happy.

My public school experience in the 80's and 90's was that about 80% of the teachers did a poor job and half of those had quiet quit back before that was a phrase. Teachers aren't held accountable. (thanks teachers unions!) The other half of the equation is that much less than half of the students would actively participate. It was always the same ~5 or 6 kids in a class of 25-30 who would raise their hands to answer. It was always a different set of 5-6 that always held up the class and needed extra help.

@@RogCBrand My mom was a teacher, so I got to hear about it daily, in great detail, for many years. What I learned from her matches what yackablejohnson said perfectly. She wasn't in a union. I'll go further and say unions have had a lot to do with ruining public education. But saying that if you offer more money, you get get better people (on average!) is just true. It's not some union talking point.