"If you're going to lie you need to have a good memory." Judge Judy

I can fully understand how one bathroom for four people could lead to murder.

Kind people do not allow their children to believe for years that their mother abandoned them!

"...Mostly because of the murder part" This has to be on a T-Shirt.

“A person can be likable and a killer at the same time.” Dr. Grande! ❤ 👏👏👏👏

How cold must one be to murder their spouse but continue to work for the dead spouses father, take over the father’s business as well as maintain a good relationship with the spouses family. This guy is a master at gaslighting and manipulation. Not a good guy.

Everyone thought my X was the most WONDERFUL kind man. He was an evil, cruel, and extremely abusive man. It's something victims don't talk about it. To embarrassing. And why don't you leave? Very hard.

Nice and friendly, or an adaptive sociopath? So sad that he can’t even tell anyone where her body is, I think that says it all.

"Well, he may have killed his wife, but did I tell you how he helped me put up my Christmas tree last year" The excuses people make up today is beyond me.

I suspect this guy was not actually the nicest guy ever.. because of the murder part

Carol is like a rare victim where no one is really saying what a nice person she is. That worries me because I always thought I had immunity from being murdered because I am not a nice person. But this case proves otherwise and it is now giving me tremendous anxiety.

In an interview June Carter was asked the secret to her successful, long-term marriage with Johnny Cash. "Separate bathrooms" was her deadpan reply. Hmmmmmmm.

When I was in the Army, the coldest, most prolific killers were the nicest guys in the company.

Everything we "know" about the crime is what the criminal said happened. I'd take that with a HUGE grain of salt. I don't know anything about the wife. She may have been overly materialistic, who knows? But wishing for more than 700 square feet and one bathroom for four people isn't asking a whole lot.

I guess the "nicest guy ever" award might have to be passed on to a new recipient.

Covert narcissists appear absolutely wonderful to everybody except the actual family members. It’s a facade to feed their ego and inflate their poor self image but meanwhile there is anger, lots of anger, contempt, control issues, hatefulness and outright unhappiness behind the scenes. I suspect that’s what is going on here.

My best guess about this...She complained about the house being too small, was unhappy about it...but that was just a tip of her unhappiness. She was unhappy with her marriage, her finances, and mostly herself. Multiple affairs doesn't create happiness, it creates more confusion and isolation. Regarding him, often, the super chill, super nice guy also tends to avoid his own anger, and then tends to blow up when his anger can no longer be denied or avoided. I think he truly loved her, but that night her unfaithfulness triggered his rage and he struck out at her, killing her. Disposing of her body the way he did probably shows his anger and contempt for how she treated him. Overall, a very sad outcome especially for the children.

So because she was found to be unfaithful and unhappy with the house everyone decided that she was voluntarily missing. Even though both children said she would never leave them. Of course he was never even investigated. WTF!

Who's ready to speculate about a situation like this?!

The police noticed that she was still missing 😂

A ‘good guy’ does not punch his wife much less kill her. Michael was not kind, Mr. Grande. Kind people do not punch someone much smaller and weaker than them!

This must beat the heck out of listening to patients.

"A person can be likeable and a killer at the same time." Right! And being nice doesn't mean you get a pass. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande!

Mike is like my Gramma's old saying,a street angel and fireside devil.

To paraphrase Lemmy, "His shine wore off as time went on, he wasn't a nice guy after all"🎶🎶🎸

In the 70s, our family of four and then five had one bathroom. Somehow we survived. There was a lot of knocking and begging.

Given how memory works, I would expect anyone’s story to change over time, guilty or not

I can never really get used to the part where Dr Grande says "now moving to the timeline of the crime. "... especially when couples are the topic. I just know it's going to be bad after that statement. 😥

He buried her on land or put her in the ocean. Now that's a huge discrepancy.

He had this hanging over his head for thirty years. You know he's relieved it's out and done with.

This whole situation is pretty gross… He punched her in the face and ended up murdering her. That’s it. It doesn’t matter if he was a “ nice guy” or a ” kind and laid-back individual” murder is murder. Of course there are different circumstances in every situation. But six years for murder because your partner might leave you so you kill them… It doesn’t seem right. EDIT: yes, he was convicted of man slaughter not murder. I still think it’s absolutely wrong that his wife was killed by his hand and he only spent six years in prison. Especially up until recently people were spending up to 10 years in present just for weed. I just feel like our system is extremely broken.

Ironically I was just having a conversation today about how we wouldn’t do well in a one bathroom house, so when we were searching it was a deal breaker.

The biggest mistake a lot of guys make is calling the police to report their wife missing. Other than the murder part.

I thought I was the nicest guy ever...smh

As the saying goes, if you tell the truth you never have to remember anything. What a lazy police work. Carol didn't get justice.

He's "nice" because they're not living with him She was just as " nice"😏🙄

He was either very manipulative to have so many people like him after committing murder or she was just a very horrible person to have so many people take his side for murdering her. Bizarre story.

The house was very small for a family of 4, and I can see Carol's point, however, Michael killed her and that's never right.

Hello from Amman, Jordan, Dr. Grande (on a working trip)!

I have come to the conclusion. You are not going to talk yourself out of trouble. Whether you did it or not. Keep your mouth shut and get a lawyer.

I can't wait for the Dr. Grande on Dr. Grande episode: "...the day I allegedly committed the crime, I would have been vindictive, sadistic, immature,..., yet still remarkably witty..."

There’s something to be said for living alone. That’s a small house with 2 kids. I mean not murder small, but relationship killer small

Ollo Dr. Grande! Your dedication and humor are greatly appreciated! 😉🥰

Never thought my hometown nor my high school would be mentioned in a Dr. Grande video.

Please cover mica and jp miller!

what a weird story!

I thought Dr G was puffing the magic dragon, but then realized I had my playback speed at .75. 😂😂😂

Nobody was more charismatic and more likable than Ted Bundy was.

"Nicest Guy Ever" is actually a huge red flag.

You’re giving him a Lot of credit

I want a diagnosis for once!

My narcissistic ex husband hijacked my family too. He is also a liar and can't remember his stories. My mother asked me how he could be with such a turd as me. So the narcissist killed the wife and the family didn't care. Poor Carol came from a narcissistic family who cant see the narc because they are narcs.

I can see why sharing one bathroom with 4+ people indefinitely can be a source of contention and eventually a reason to want to separate. I shared one bathroom with two other siblings and it was pretty annoying.

She wanted a bigger house so she could have more space away from him.

The story of the ''likeable muderer''.

In the 60’s when I was a toddler there was a murder of a woman in my small country town. As such things were extremely rare, the local police got all excited, doing everything by the book, preserving the crime scene, setting up an Incident Room - while they waited for someone from the Murder Squad from Scotland Yard. When turned up he didn’t look at anything. He just said ‘arrest the husband. It’s always the husband’.

It blows my mind that someone could be likable AND a killer😲

If he hadn’t turned into a possessive monster and murdered his wife when she tried to leave him, the moral of the story would be that marrying someone you met as a teenager seldom turns out well. Odd that he’s described as a “good guy.” She responded to her unhappy marriage by having affairs; he responded by committing murder. Sounds like they were both jerks. He wasn’t a good guy.

Separate bathrooms are relationship saving if you can afford it.

I worked at Toyota in Torrance where I developed the SuperFunction for their logistics division. Torrance was a very nice town with strong Japanese influences. However there was a huge Mobil plant nearby that looming nearby. Toyota has since relocated to Plano, TX.

She looks like Heather Thomas from the Fall Guy t.v. show from back in the 80's

I love your dry sense of humor Dr. Grande Also, your videos give an in depth look into these cases. You speak with intelligence. Keep up the good work!

One bathroom for four people is too small.

At this point I can deliver Dr G's opening lines better than Daniel Day Lewis ever could. 🌵

Why watch a true crime tv show or podcast when you can have Dr. Grande sum everything up in less than 15 minutes

Thanks for the video, Dr Grande. Human relationships are complex and don't guarantee everlasting happiness. Marriage can be challenging as it often forces people to stay together even when it's not ideal for their safety and wellbeing.

I watched an episode of Law and Order when they were looking for a murderer. Lenny Briscoe (the wonderful Jerry Orbach), jaded after years of being a detective said "It's always the husband." He's right.

Buy your own home and live.

Cheating, complaining, name calling, neglect, lying, provocation, telling to his face about the cheating and risk of STDs. Nothing justifies murder, but I can't judge him. Wished he had just walked away from such a narcissist.

This is what happens when a perp is likable and the victim is a piece of garbage. It blurs the lines of justice

As always, thanks, Doc!

Agree with your analysis. I remain amazed & saddened at how terrible some people can be😔 Thanks Dr G😊💙💙

That little house would now be worth well over $1 million.

What’s happening today?! Thank you, Dr. Grande. ❤ So many stories, so little time! I do find your videos fascinating and informative.❤ Thanks for all the hard work!❤

Dr G literally outworked everyone else into our algorithmic situations and we’re all better off because of it.

Hi Dr Grande... I could understand about being cramped with four people in one bathroom, because my household was the same. I could also see that she pissed him off with her lack of gratitude, but I think the fatality of this story entailed more than a simple "push". Lie after lie. Thanks

Thank you for the video, Dr. Grande!

Probably can get $1M for that tiny house, in Torrance, today !

I love the sly eye in every video intro!

You intrigued me with this one!!

Holy crap! I am a born and raised Torrance California resident, as well as my mother and her two siblings (uncle and aunt). My uncle went to North High and graduated in 1973, my aunt graduated in 1976, and then my mother in 1980. I was class of 2008 (being born in 1990) and my younger brother then followed and graduated in 2011. North Torrance High School was a great school to go to growing up, as are the other 3 high schools in Torrance (Torrance High, West High, and South High) and have had quite a few different celebrities and prominent athletes professionally, attend our schools over the decades. But I have literally never heard of this case before now, and am dying to know if my Uncle David knew these two individuals since he would have been attending North High at the same time, though he was in fact a grade or two younger than them according to the dates Dr. Grande gave about their graduating classes. Wild stuff though Dr. Grande; I watch basically everyone of your videos, and even though Torrance is an absolutely huge suburb of LA county, I never really thought it'd be featured in one of your videos🤣 Anyways keeps up the great work and never veer away from your elite level dry humor and your classic dry dad jokes!

Narcissists are ofen super nice outside the home and controlling and menacing in it

I grew up in Torrance and knew most of the painting contractors, but don't recall Milton. Based on my house painting background which put me through college, it was a close-knit group and these contractors took care of their families. Why didn't she just ask her father to give her husband more money so they could buy a better house? Why didn't she handle her dad's business if she was wanting accounting work? I think I know why, based on the neighborhood culture, but I won't say. The women were either good or bad, no in betweeners in 1970s and early 80s Torrance.

Dr. Grande rocks❤

Key words at the end: “Carol can’t tell her side of the story.” It’s extremely common that abusers are very charismatic and friendly in public. No one would get in a relationship with them to begin with if they showed their true colours beforehand. Plus it works well when they need to discredit victims who might speak out against them. Homicide doesn’t exist in a vacuum. I don’t find it difficult to believe at all that this guy was probably a really “great guy” in public while being abusive behind closed doors.

Fascinating story💙

This is such a strange story for so many reasons. The “nice guy “ who murderers his wife confesses and it’s barely news? What do her kids think? How bad was she that no one begs for justice who knew her? Murdering hubby gets all the support from her family? WTH?

I had forgotten all about the Audi Fox! I wanted one so bad. My dad bought an Opel Manta Luxus instead. But that was just fine!!!!

OMG! Only one bathroom in the house 😱 That's... that's worse than living in a dump! 🙄 Some pple drive me nuts.

".. mostly because of the murder part." I feel like i have heard this line before....

Dr grande you are so interesting i love listening to you 😊

Other than self defense, no one should get such a light sentence for murder. Person is dead forever, he's off in six yrs is absurd.

In a world full of ‘stranger danger,’ thank you for the reminder that the most dangerous person posed to you is your romantic partner

I don't want to speculate if he's a killeeer or a nice guy because that's why I am watching Dr. Grande. For the speculations sake. Grazie mille, Dottore❣️☝️😂

She was looking for someone to provide her with the finer things in life like a multi bathroom residence😂

❤❤❤Thank you!

In the late 80s-early 90s, every place I lived had 1 bathroom. 6 people to one bathroom never caused a problem. Do I think that the spoiled, 2:15 social media obsessed, high maintenance, beauty-focused youth of today could survive in such limited circumstances? Hell no. No one will ever question my response as we all know it’s true

I Grew up in Los Angeles, I remember the Red Onion,But in the Wilshire District . They were a little older than me .

Not meaning to provide any excuses to this guy for what he did, but his "downfall" was not keeping his mouth shut, because he kept changing his story.

People can be one thing to the outside world and another behind closed doors. My ex was very beloved by everyone he met but at home he was whiney and passive aggressive and super clingy. He'd follow me from room to room. Everyone (except for my best friend) was surprised when I divorced him.