The GM X Body Story | An Evolution of Disaster

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Tofer's Car Tales

Tofer's Car Tales

3 жыл бұрын

This is the tale of the infamous second generation of GM's X Body platform.
Introduced for the 1980 model year, the X Body nearly bankrupt GM due to major safety and quality defects.
Though sales were initially quite strong, it was soon clear that these cars were heavily flawed at launch. From dangerous braking system issues which led to multiple lawsuits, to structures that crumbled to pieces in even moderate collisions, X Body would never recover from its disastrous launch.
Many consider the term malaise to be perfectly represented by the X Body variants which consisted of the Chevrolet Citation, the Oldsmobile Omega, Pontiac Phoenix and the Buick Skylark. Citation would eventually be re-christened Citation II. Unsurprisingly, this did little to draw people back in to the showrooms.
It's always fun to explore bad cars, bad movies and look in awe at just how many bad decisions were made. I hope you enjoy.
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@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 9 ай бұрын
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@RetroCarsForever
@RetroCarsForever 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing illustrates how clueless GM was with small cars compared to big cars than this era. The big Caprice B Bodies absolutely nailed it, and were easily top of the class. The X Body...Less so!
@Sedan57Chevy
@Sedan57Chevy 3 жыл бұрын
I wish more of these had survived, they're an important part of GM history and the us car industry as a whole. In many ways, they're the opposite of the K Car, nearly destroying a company rather than saving one.
@area51isreal71
@area51isreal71 3 жыл бұрын
Yes. I read that the GM executives were furious that cash strapped Chrysler could get together their act and produce reliable popular cars while their own cars suffered in the marketplace.
@keithrussell2307
@keithrussell2307 3 жыл бұрын
Good buddy restoring a Oldsmobile omega gt
@fortune300
@fortune300 3 жыл бұрын
What was the main issues with the X-body cars?
@area51isreal71
@area51isreal71 3 жыл бұрын
@@fortune300 Too many recalls apparently among other problems.
@heitorbernardes7977
@heitorbernardes7977 3 жыл бұрын
@@fortune300 just to mention a few... Engine fires caused by transmission lines that broke, suspension components braking, rear brakes locking up causing crash...
@Budjr52
@Budjr52 3 жыл бұрын
I currently own a 1981 Pontiac Phoenix with the 2.5 iron duke and a 4 speed manual. I deliver for Pizza Hut full time and it’s actually been the most trouble free car I’ve owned. And I’ve owned a lot of cars over the years. It handles all weather and never gets stuck in snow storms. Wish more of them were like mine.
@catjudo1
@catjudo1 3 жыл бұрын
The previous owners likely worked out all of GM's many flaws and bugs. My uncle had a Phoenix and swore it never ran right, never held together and ended up nickel & diming him out of his apartment. He sold it for a four year old Honda Accord and never looked back.
@Budjr52
@Budjr52 3 жыл бұрын
@@catjudo1 actually no. Everything was original. We replaced the stuff as it wore out because parts were dirt cheap but it never left me anywhere. I’m putting a new clutch in it this summer as it has 95000 on it now. It’s always started. Always ran and never had any of the issues they were known for.
@CR7659
@CR7659 3 жыл бұрын
@@Budjr52 These cars are great in the snow. Mine I ran over something and got a flat and rounded off a lugnut trying to change it. After being unable to find help I got angry and just drove it on home on snow covered roads. It did get hot enough to turn the light on, so I stopped for a bit and let it cool, but I got home fine, and drove it long after getting the tire off and fixed.
@williamj.mchale6923
@williamj.mchale6923 3 жыл бұрын
I owned an '81 Phoenix with the "iron duke" and an automatic transmission. Bought it used from Budget Rent-a-Car, service records included. Lasted only 11 years and 230,000+ miles. Drivetrain was primitive, unrefined, but very reliable. Hatchback made it versatile. Roomy and comfortable for its size. BUT...the interior hardware and assembly was horrible. Hard plastic everywhere rattled and squeaked. Doors, although heavy and substantial, sounded tinny when opened and closed. Replaced the steering rack twice because of "morning sickness" and sloppy tie rod ends. The headlights burned out frequently because of engine vibration at idle. To replace the oil filter, the right-front tire had to be removed. Sold it for $200 when a timing gear broke. Saw it many times later driven around town sporting new timing gears. Car refused to die! It was one of the few good X-bodies GM made. GM learned, and GM did a better job with the FWD mid-size cars.
@ronstux4428
@ronstux4428 2 жыл бұрын
So do I. had a 1980 blue 4 cyl manual trans in blue. Figured the engine was half a V-8 so had to be strong, right - Wrong. Engine died catastrophically with about 25K miles on the clock. Coolant leaking into the sump it turned out, destroying the bottom end. Before that it pinged like crazy during acceleration, even on super fuel. I tried installing a water injection system from JC Whitney to calm it down. That sorta worked, except that the pump kept dying. Slammed it into the back of a USPS truck one day due to the rear brakes locking up. But Pontiac was smart - they made up for the lousy brakes with a very strong front bumper on hydraulic shocks. No damage on the Pontiac at all. When I looed under the bumper, I could see by the dirt pattern and shiny metal that the bumper had moved back about 3 inches and then bounced right back out again. Definitely a car not to be cried over its extinction.
@lbennhtx6072
@lbennhtx6072 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I just totally zoned out on this trip back to the 80’s!!!! My friends dad had an ‘80 Skylark company car, baby blue with blonde “plastic wood” trim. Stickered for $10k and that seemed like an insane amount for a car. Tofer just keeps taking it to another level 👏👏👏👏👏
@petrovicmotors3775
@petrovicmotors3775 3 жыл бұрын
I drove mine 1980 Skylark for about 17 years as a daily driver. Been through half a Europe with it. Never let down!! Build to last!! Sold it 4 years a go! Stil have a 1981 skylark v6 stick schift.! Mint condition!!
@knurlgnar24
@knurlgnar24 3 жыл бұрын
Similar experience here in the USA, 1981 Skylark. It was a comfortable reliable car that drove smoother than most any modern day small car. I wouldn't want to get into a crash in it and it wouldn't keep up with modern traffic but back then it was a great car.
@petrovicmotors3775
@petrovicmotors3775 3 жыл бұрын
@@knurlgnar24 true! But we still live in Europe with a lot more smaller cars on the road and almost none full size SUVs! In 17 years a had couple off (rear end collisions )ascidians with compact euro cars and they got totaled 😁berry funny, not even a scratch on the bumper! So we can drive those cars here in Europe no problem. Until we all go “electric “!😁
@christopherjones512
@christopherjones512 3 жыл бұрын
Period
@highlypolishedturd7947
@highlypolishedturd7947 3 жыл бұрын
GM: Hey, car buying public! Look at the Citation 2! It's totally different! Please buy it! Car buying public: Yeah, nahhh....
@MrNeptunebob
@MrNeptunebob 3 жыл бұрын
No, it's a Citation Too.
@brentboswell1294
@brentboswell1294 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, you'd think Chevy was like Cessna trying to sell you a business jet...they even stole the names and Roman numeral numbering 🤣
@knowbodiesfull5768
@knowbodiesfull5768 3 жыл бұрын
I remember the X-body cars well! "Motor Trend" magazine ran an article in their May 1979 issue, and I was so impressed! I thought to myself, "At last! GM finally got it right! This is destined to become one of its success stories!" Fooled me. In the first year alone, the X-bodies were hit with recall after recall - bad brakes, to name just one. The way I look at this today, the X-bodies marked the beginning of GM's decades-long downfall. Quality and workmanship became shoddier as the years went by. I feel that all this could have been avoided if GM waited an extra year or two if they took the time to get all the bugs worked out before putting the cars into production. If there was one good thing about them, it was the later 1982 A-bodies that sprang from them. The A-bodies somehow didn't have the numerous recalls that would eventually bring down the X-bodies. The A's were somewhat better built (if that's the word) and far more successful. Amazingly, they survived through 1996 (Olds Ciera and Buick Century were the last offerings). In the end, the Citation and its cousins were well engineered. They were simply poorly executed. And that was the whole problem. A suggestion for a future video: the Ford Escort/Mercury Lynx. (6/16/2021)
@5610winston
@5610winston 3 жыл бұрын
Well engineered, poorly executed is the story of GM's US offerings from around 1970 to this very day. The Vega should have been a fine car. The Olds Diesel could have been a fine engine, likewise the Cadillac V8-6-4 and Northstar. The Skyhawk Monza, Sunbird, Starfire, all could have been, should have been so much better than they turned out. The Cadillac Allante , Olds Aurora. They got it right with the body-on-frame rear-wheel-drive cars, but except for the Eldorado-Toronado front-to-back layout, the GM front wheel drive models were irredeemable junk.
@Doctor_Robert
@Doctor_Robert 3 жыл бұрын
Using The Shining as a visual metaphor for GM's decent into madness is a stroke of GENIUS!!
@daviedmond4639
@daviedmond4639 3 жыл бұрын
What I recall as a kid and the experience of all of the x body's multiple name plates we had was the vibration from the moment it was started and how such a small car could create such a rattle n vibration with a very thin metal like shaking sound . I was small but I always felt like I could really sink into the citations due to the high dashboards. The sideways radio always cracked me up I didn't know if they were trying to make it look edgy and assuming that ppl wouldn't realize it was just turned vertical or if they just didn't give a damn cuz it had to go somewhere. We had the x skylark and one day we were driving around while the car was relatively new and suddenly there were sparks flying around the car on the outside cuz the engine just fell to the ground while operating it due to corrosion underneath.
@michaelcoffey7362
@michaelcoffey7362 3 жыл бұрын
WOW !!!
@EFFEZE
@EFFEZE 3 жыл бұрын
My mum had a 2005 Renault megane brand new out the showroom and the engine literally fell out the bottom of that after about 2 months.
@landyachtfan79
@landyachtfan79 3 жыл бұрын
The GM X-cars will always be one of those car lines that REALLY frustrates me. They had all of the ingredients to be the best cars ever built, & that is exactly what they could & should have been. Ultimately, I feel that the X-cars' undoing was not really the cars THEMSELVES, but the company who built them, late-'70's/early '80's GM. As was the case with Ford & Chrysler, they became too focused on beating the European & Japanese competition at their own game & not focused ENOUGH on providing the American car-buying public with viable alternatives to the imports. As a result, quality & reliability were allowed to fall by the wayside.
@IcelanderUSer
@IcelanderUSer 3 жыл бұрын
So when a killer murders someone it’s not their fault, it’s their parents? The ones who made him? These cars were death traps.
@67marlins81
@67marlins81 3 жыл бұрын
@@IcelanderUSer They were NOT 'death traps'......being dramatic is just going to make people realize you don't know the subject.
@landyachtfan79
@landyachtfan79 3 жыл бұрын
And even if they were, @@67marlins81, these "death traps" did NOT build themselves. I think that's what B bo is not getting, here.
@67marlins81
@67marlins81 3 жыл бұрын
@@landyachtfan79 Fair enough.
@chickenmuffin
@chickenmuffin 3 жыл бұрын
Lol welcome to gm.
@Sandy-oy2lr
@Sandy-oy2lr 3 жыл бұрын
I had a 1982 X-11 that I had modified by an ex-GM engineer and racer/tuner. It was turned into a really good performer for the time. But, it was built like an utter POS. The head gasket went bad, dumped coolant into the sump, thereby trashing the main bearings. And the starter harness was routed under the oil pan and the insulation melted way back to expose bare wiring. The water pump leaked. At 60Kmi, the transaxle (manual) had to be rebuilt as a shifter broke internally. By 80Kmiles, it was totally shot. It didn't even reach GM's 100K bogey. But, it was still way better than the Pinto I replaced it with!
@hawkeye454
@hawkeye454 3 жыл бұрын
TOFER, you make some of the greatest car videos on KZfaq! Great work as always my friend. Cheers.
@dave1w41
@dave1w41 3 жыл бұрын
To be honest, comparing an Xcar to the Kcar, the K car was a very significant step down in almost every category. A truly wretched and more awful car has never been built.
@SloGN
@SloGN 3 жыл бұрын
While I have to disagree…. I have found that the K cars was far more tougher. I’m a GM guy too…. The early FWD gm cars sucked.. they finally got it right when the fuel injected engines came along. I mean hell gm turned a cavalier into a Cadillac…. At least Chrysler waited a few yrs before they made a k car into a luxury car….( if you call it that) But when you have a platform that powered 95 % of your fleet. You better get it right or your done…..
@davidpistek6241
@davidpistek6241 3 жыл бұрын
I'm here flat tire peterbilt and all
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
I really hope you're not stuck on the side of the road for too much longer! Been there myself a number of times as a lover of older cars.
@davidpistek6241
@davidpistek6241 3 жыл бұрын
I have super single, when they go the rim does too ,been waiting since 545 eastern, luckily I packed a lunch and made a pot of coffee before going
@nilsutt
@nilsutt 3 жыл бұрын
Please make a video on the 80s Volvo cars. In the homeland Sweden where I live they are or were cheap and abundant. When I grew up we thought they were slow, heavy and boring compared to the newer 5 cylinder Volvos, German cars and Japanese high revving well equipped cars. But compared to the American cars in your videos they seams very high quality and well engineered.
@digitalfootballer9032
@digitalfootballer9032 2 жыл бұрын
My mom had a '91 240 estate, in white. We called it "the fridge". Slow as molasses, but an absolute tank. I used that bad boy to move me in and out of a number of apartments back in my college years.
@misterwhipple2870
@misterwhipple2870 10 ай бұрын
With a price to match.
@valient71
@valient71 3 жыл бұрын
When I was a kid, my grandparents had a silver Buick Skylark Limited. Small on the outside, but soooo luxurious inside. The transmission failed before the car was three years old and they bought a Chevy Celebrity.
@tomlewis3658
@tomlewis3658 3 жыл бұрын
I remember in 1981, when I was working for a GM subsidiary, and we could buy these at an employee discount, a co-worker had bought a new Citation, and told us how he didn't use much gasoline - because the damned car had to be towed to the dealer for repairs so often.
@jasonsobol32
@jasonsobol32 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up riding in a 1980 Citation X-11. My mother bought it from a dealership, that the owner was going to give the car to his wife...I wish he had lol
@christopherconard2831
@christopherconard2831 3 жыл бұрын
I had two Omegas, one of each body type. The older one was what it was, a fully optioned soft riding Nova. The second, an '82 was 4/5 size Cutlass in style riding on a Citation frame. It was a mass of meh. Nothing horrible, but nothing to get excited about. It's only problems were a trunk that would occasionally fill with water and a transmission that would decide it didn't like the current fluid and get rid of a quart or two. It did seem overweight for the little four cylinder they dropped in.
@davidpistek6241
@davidpistek6241 3 жыл бұрын
Great once again,,a friend had a x11 but at 17 we were grateful for a running car and not too critical of it
@andrewplantagenet5811
@andrewplantagenet5811 3 жыл бұрын
You don't make videos, you make art. Well done Sir!
@Cheezwizzz
@Cheezwizzz 3 жыл бұрын
Well said Sir
@paul.theeightiesluvr.1945
@paul.theeightiesluvr.1945 3 жыл бұрын
One of the absolute best vehicle historical video makers on KZfaq thanks Tofers
@deanstyles2567
@deanstyles2567 3 жыл бұрын
Another great video Tofer! I'm not from the US, and I've often wondered which car did the most to make the American public decide 'my next car is a Honda' (or any other foreign brand). I'm guessing there was still a stigma about buying foreign cars at the time. Or people who would buy a particular brand because 'my dad bought a Chevy, so I'm buying a Chevy too'. Sounds like the X cars were one of those cars that were so poorly received that people would buy foreign next.
@BillLaBrie
@BillLaBrie 3 жыл бұрын
It was one, just one of the best recruiters to Honda, Toyota, Nissan, etc. Most American cars of the era were horrid.
@bikingD
@bikingD 3 жыл бұрын
It's funny everything they were going for in the X car they achieved 2 years later with the A body cars. Comfort, reliability and efficiency. The X car went from being the worst car GM ever built to the A car maybe the best car that ever rolled off a GM assembly line.
@brentboswell1294
@brentboswell1294 2 жыл бұрын
The A body was a derivative of the X body. However, they weren't without issues. My dad's '83 Chevy Celebrity (with the 2.8 V6) wasn't exactly trouble free to own. The only family car we ever owned that had to have a new short block put in it (because the computer-controlled carburetor, which we were constantly fighting to get it working right, kept going full rich, which caused fuel to work its way into the oil). It also had a habit of making the choke act up, which could cause stumbling and stalling. My dad bought it new, but it was a miracle when you drove it and the engine and/or choke idiot light wasn't on. At least extending the X-body platform fixed the weight distribution issues that caused the rear end brake lockup issues (probably completely unintended).
@laranaarana
@laranaarana 3 жыл бұрын
My Dad owned a Citation II and my Aunt a Skylark. Both were reliable cars to them.
@Ccyawn123
@Ccyawn123 4 ай бұрын
In the early 1990s my brother had the 4 door Oldsmobile version with a 2.8. Other than the dashboard and vinyl covered seats nothing else existed inside- no door panels, no carpeting, no headliner, nothing. Even the steering column housing with key switch was gone… you started it by twisting a couple of wires together that hung from the bottom of the column and pushing a wire rod that was on top of it. The floor pan was rusted out completely and there were pieces of plywood covering the holes and keeping one’s feet from contacting the highway. It was a gold/beige color but all 4 doors were from a brown one. It looked like something pieced together from a salvage yard. It felt like you were literally sitting on the road the driving position was so low. The 2.8 had a pretty cool growl. But, it was ready to go whenever he was, and served its purpose until it was replaced by a 1990 Tempo.
@runoflife87
@runoflife87 3 жыл бұрын
German TV was testing the 1980 Citiation, the video is still available. The car was really horrible starting to fall apart in 2000km. I just can't imagine who and how assembled it.
@MrNeptunebob
@MrNeptunebob 3 жыл бұрын
Was there any explanation given later why the quality was so bad? Was it plant were it was assembled, the parts of poor quality?
@runoflife87
@runoflife87 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrNeptunebob well as far as I understand that was mostly assembly issue. But just because the Citation wasn't sold in Europe by Opel dealers (private import only) there was no big scandal. And the X-car had actually no market niche in Europe - way too big, inefficient and bland looking to be Ascona competitor.
@jefferysmith3930
@jefferysmith3930 3 жыл бұрын
My favorite scene in the German car Fan Citation video is the sparks flying from under the car as it drug it’s belly in the undulating pavement section of the test track. Nice! The fingertip removable center caps were a nice touch too.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
As to over all styling The Buick version looked the best as a downsized "Regal" is more appealing to the customer than an upsized "Chevette". The Citation looked very MUCH like a larger Chevette particularly from the rear. While the Skylark was small, It looked enough like a bigger Buick to be a convincing deal. Same holds for the Oldsmobile Omega, But I'm a loyal Buick guy! LOL.
@colibri1
@colibri1 3 жыл бұрын
I liked the look of the Skylark as well - Buicks even today tend to have very tasteful styling, but it is useful to remember that Chevettes were very, very popular at the time so buyers might not have rejected a vehicle that reminded them of one.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
@@colibri1 I was not implying that the Chevette was unpopular, or even a bad car. In fact I could argue that the Chevette was a BETTER choice than the Citation, even if smaller, Unlike Citations, Chevettes were reliable, and cheap and easy to maintain. And they sure lasted longer, I still see the occasional Chevette. I can't say when I last saw a Citation! The problem with the Citation LOOOKING like a Chevette is that the Citation was a newer designed and higher priced model than the Chevette. Usually when a new car is designed "they" either look more modern than past models, Or if "aping" a past model, attempt to look like a higher price model. This is why the Buick/Olds versions can be seen as better bargains. They look more like their more expensive brothers, not their cheaper brothers. Many who liked the Chevette styling AND existing reputation for economy would be tempted to just buy the Chevette instead. Sorry this is so long, I hope it explains what I meant. 😊
@digitalfootballer9032
@digitalfootballer9032 2 жыл бұрын
I agree, even the little "econobox" Buicks like the Skyhawk still had style to them, even though they were just a dolled up Cavalier. I've always liked Buicks too, especially the older ones. My dad had a '70 Skylark and a '75 Regal. I had a 2000 Regal and even though my wife said it was an "old man car", I still enjoyed it. It had the 3800 so it moved, but it was really comfortable too. Traded it to my uncle for a Tacoma because I had 3 four door sedans and needed a pickup. It's a good truck, but I still miss the Buick.
@sooverit5529
@sooverit5529 3 жыл бұрын
Tofer, you really hit this one out of the park with this one! Laura Branigan, The Shining, Airplane! and the X-car line up. It's 1980 all over again. Love Dr. Rumack's nose growing with the introduction of the Citation II... brilliant! So many wonderful touches in this video. I can't believe you managed to do a long-distance move in the middle of putting this work of art together! And your Tofer Car Tales song rocks! Great job!
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much! It was weird composing the first half of this video in California and the second half in a completely new... everything... in Texas. And then there was another unexpected twist/delay when I realized my old Microphone apparently did not survive the ordeal. The first voiceover was awful. I had to re-record the entire voiceover with a new mic. As a result, the voiceover is better in some ways but there are a few tweaks for the next video that will be necessary for sure. Regardless, thanks again for being such a huge champion of my efforts! :)
@TheDarkPhoenix23
@TheDarkPhoenix23 3 жыл бұрын
I have a soft spot for the X cars, with the Omega being my favorite, followed closely by the one you didn't mention: The Phoenix SJ (Phoenix X/11 variant basically).
@67marlins81
@67marlins81 3 жыл бұрын
Me too...I'm a Ford guy but the Omega was beautifully styled for a compact. If they'd made a wagon I'd be looking for one still today.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
6:46 While people today might consider Chrysler "K" car styling to be dull, The square look WAS absolutely THE style for non sporty American cars at the time. Ironically, it was the 1st generation (RWD) Seville that kicked the look into high gear, quickly adopted by the downsized 1977 RWD "B"/"C" cars. To the fan of American cars, Hatchbacks offered some benefits, but "screamed" CHEAP CAR. (This would explain why Buick would have a "notchback" body on their FWD "X" based Skylark). People were OK with a low cost Buick, But not a CHEAP Buick! If I would have had new car money ( I only had 10 year old used car money then, So I had a 10 year old car, LOL) for a basic FWD econobox then, I'd have likely went with the Plymouth Reliant over the Chevrolet Citation. And I'm a GM guy! History would have made me "right" (for different reasons) but the Plymouth just looked more like a "normal" car to me. At least the FWD "X" platform DID have a part in the FWD "A" cars, A vast improvement. So not a TOTAL loss of development costs? IDK.
@michaelhungate7506
@michaelhungate7506 3 жыл бұрын
The Citation had alot of improvements for a small car. If they would have just thoroughly tested the dam thing it would have helped. You can't rush an entirely new car that was technologically about as far as they could go at the time.
@daviedmond4639
@daviedmond4639 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah you do a much different approach to you're videos than others, and its really immersive. OMG the huge TV !!!! Forgot about those wow flashback we had 4 and damn things were heavy AF!
@saxongreen78
@saxongreen78 3 жыл бұрын
This car had originally been planned as a 1978 model and was production ready in 1977...what they did with the 18 months of deferral (potential rework time) seems to be a mystery.
@redlinefreedive6126
@redlinefreedive6126 3 жыл бұрын
The citation X11, was the best looking, and the cowl induction hook. Truly worked. To add to that, I have seen a Pontiac 6000STE dash and shifter installed in an X11
@Romiman1
@Romiman1 3 жыл бұрын
Almost everything is said about the video. Of course I agree. Especcially (as always too) I like the music. Please give us a list of the tunes. I nearly have bought a ´82 Skylark. (it was a Caprice then). I still like their styling, the designers have done their jobs properly. My favorite is the 2door Skylark. And I wish, we would have that choice of beautiful interior colours today!
@auntbarbara5576
@auntbarbara5576 3 жыл бұрын
Happy Tuesday all! A NEW TOFER!!!! :)
@colibri1
@colibri1 3 жыл бұрын
My father had a 1980 Buick Skylark and it was a great car. He drove it for ten years, and it was one of the cars that I learned to drive in as a teenager. The max-downsized cars of that era like these were very well designed, with great visibility and space efficiency. It was very easy to drive. The only problem it developed was that the steering got kind of loose as it aged. On the other hand, a friend's father bought a 1980 Oldsmobile Omega and it turned out to be a lemon. I don't think he had it two years before replacing it with a Honda Civic.
@georgekostician3229
@georgekostician3229 3 жыл бұрын
Well if you think about it the X-body was responsible for what we know as the A-body Chevrolet celebrity, Pontiac 6000, Oldsmobile cutlass ciera and Buick century that went on to be the one of the best selling and competitive cars of the 80’s and 1983 Pontiac and Buick had higher trims available with 6000 STE and century T-Type with Chevrolet waiting a year to release 84 with the celebrity eurosport and Oldsmobile with cutlass ciera GT in 85 the 6000 STE went to be car & driver’s 10 best for 83,84 and 85
@jburdman7
@jburdman7 3 жыл бұрын
To be fair regarding the quality of the Citation, many people ran them for 150k miles which was great for that era- but by then they were shot. The transmission would be finished. The floors were rotted out. Door sagged. The V6 would leak antifreeze into the rear left cylinder. Brake booster-shot. An actuator in the carb would fail. But most famously, and I don't recall this being mentioned, the power steering suffered from "morning sickness". But they were one of the last cars which you could safely jack up from the bumper.
@joshrichardson30
@joshrichardson30 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making this video. I’ve been looking forward to it. I grew up in the 80’s and remember these disasters. You did an excellent job capturing not only these cars but the early 80’s feel. Fantastic nostalgia.
@the66volks
@the66volks 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for making this its truly wonderful! It really brings back memories of my childhood seeing these cars driving around sadly they are all gone now. But I try to keep the memories of the 1980’s alive with my Chevy celebrity, cavalier an Ford country squire
@jefferysmith3930
@jefferysmith3930 3 жыл бұрын
My dad worked at a Chevy dealer when these came out and I remember what a big deal they were at launch. The beige over metallic red 2 tone is quite attractive. I always liked the looks of the X-11 especially in later versions with the 5 spoke alloy wheels. I remember reading an old Car & Driver article by Patrick Beddard about how the cars given the press at launch were great drivers as they were ringers that had been thoroughly worked over by GM engineers. His first drive in an actual production car with the V6 revealed a loose floppy torque steering monster that would readily change lanes under acceleration to the extent he got pulled over by the highway patrol for suspected impaired driving. Such a missed opportunity that GM didn’t spend more time to engineer and build it right. I actually passed a Citation coming out of my neighborhood the other day. I was shocked. Haven’t seen one on the road in years
@justinsanto2458
@justinsanto2458 3 жыл бұрын
Was waiting so long for this. Great job!
@PontiacFan68
@PontiacFan68 3 жыл бұрын
The story I've been waiting for thanks Tofer for telling the story.
@SloGN
@SloGN 3 жыл бұрын
Please do a video on the Vega /Monza /Skyhawk/sunbird.
@andregonsalvez9244
@andregonsalvez9244 3 жыл бұрын
Great video ! The 70s and 80s were some good times growing up , I remember these X cars back in the day I had friends and family who owned these cars , they were not as reliable as the K cars but the Oldsmobile and Buick's had more class and luxury in its compact class .
@67marlins81
@67marlins81 3 жыл бұрын
It's a shame the flaws of the X car family hurt the reputation of not just GM, but by association other American manufacturers also. As a kid, even a Ford guy, I admired the X cars for their excellent styling. They made small cars pretty, well proportioned and elegant, something foreign manufacturers still haven't perfected.
@andrewps84
@andrewps84 9 ай бұрын
My theory about these cars was that they were stylish gems but otherwise mechanical nightmares, which is precisely why I’ll never buy GM products again.
@bertram46
@bertram46 3 жыл бұрын
I could tell you so much about these cars I 1st got in the car business selling Chevrolet citations in 1980 it was my favorite car to sell because it was so unique and when you would open up the hatch in the back and fold down the rear seat people were just in awe. And when you showed them an engine mounted sideways transverse mounted again they were in awe My mother had a 1981 Pontiac Phoenix LJ it was a cute car but unreliable of course and not loaded it had a window sticker of 8850 which was a lot of money for a little car back then. And of course this is my 2nd video I have seen from you guys and it's excellent done extremely well thank you
@rob1tnt
@rob1tnt 3 жыл бұрын
Somehow missed the notification for this one! Cant wait till im done work!
@walterbatman7949
@walterbatman7949 3 жыл бұрын
Wonderfully done My friend in high school had a 81 skylark he would do neutral drops in it one night I was with him he revved up that ole iron duke to the floor and dropped it into drive and broke the left half shaft clean Into 2 pieces replaced it drove it for several more years
@jmbpinto73
@jmbpinto73 3 жыл бұрын
Good video, you got me searching for Laura Branigan... The car from the 80, not everything was a huge success, but great advances were made on fuel economy and structural design. Cars began to design by computer, and tested on wind tunnel. Passenger safety was a concern. Engines were developed to be efficient reliable and economic. Often times the car model of the 80's is lower to the 90's equivalent.
@Jordi7174
@Jordi7174 3 жыл бұрын
Please cover the Diamond Star Motor coupes of the early 90's(Eagle Talon/Plymouth Laser/Mitsubishi Eclipse). 💛
@JB-mk4ry
@JB-mk4ry 3 жыл бұрын
The NUMMI plant and it's cars would be a good one as well.
@DanniTheMagicJunkDrawer
@DanniTheMagicJunkDrawer 3 жыл бұрын
My brother had the eclipse and my boyfriend had the talon. They loved those cars
@cashkenterprises5584
@cashkenterprises5584 3 жыл бұрын
I’d love to see a Tofer video on Saab. The story needs to be documented by someone like you!
@agent3857
@agent3857 3 жыл бұрын
I had an Eclipse, but I sold it when I realized I could not look directly at it.
@Jordi7174
@Jordi7174 3 жыл бұрын
@@agent3857 You are very "Intrepid" for that joke. 😌
@frozenbits48
@frozenbits48 3 жыл бұрын
We bought the 1984 PONTIAC PHOENIX 4DOOR as we had two boys at the time. We were fortunate as my father in law was one of the directors of the Pontiac proving grounds, and we got a "test mule", fully loaded, 1200 miles on it and we paid only 2400 dollars. The first year it was great, but then small irritating items kept popping up. We eventually traded it in for more than we paid for it, for a full size Pontiac sedan.
@x1181andc1079
@x1181andc1079 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. In high school I had a 81 citation x11. When it worked it actually drove well and it was pretty fast for the time. Unfortunately the key was when it worked - the car nearly bankrupted me.
@joeapplebaum3763
@joeapplebaum3763 3 жыл бұрын
My dad test drove an ‘80 Citation. He bought a Volvo. I bought my first new car in 1980. I bought a Celica GT. The GM cars seemed cheap and tinny. The front wheel drive turned me off.
@misterwhipple2870
@misterwhipple2870 10 ай бұрын
Your dad had the MONEY for a Volvo! Besides, it used 75% more gas. We po' folks had to make do.
@1_Papa
@1_Papa 3 жыл бұрын
Magnificently edited, 100% factual and very well narrated video about the 2nd generation, GM X-Body! If I had a "con" (and it's actually more like a disagreement) it's with what the narrator says at 22:34: The engineers had the formula right with the 1st platform in 1962. They perfected it in 1968-1974. Going smaller (as SUVs/CUVs are proving today) wasn't actually the right thing to do if you can't make them safer! gm? Grade: F! This video? Grade: A++! 🚗! 🐰
@arthurwarnock8516
@arthurwarnock8516 3 жыл бұрын
Learned to drive in a 1980 Citation. I wrecked it twice my little sister once…hers was much more dramatic…backed into a parked car smashing the large rear glass hatch. For a 16 year old kid it was an ok car. Didn’t set any records and got the job done. These were very dark days for GM.
@pdennis93
@pdennis93 3 жыл бұрын
There is a guy making an AWD supercharged V6 Olds Omega SX coupe. Btw, where's the citation clip from Junkman where it gets ripped in half?
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
I totally intended to include that clip but only realized I had forgotten to after I had completed the video. I think I'll work it into a short video in the next couple of days so stay tuned. The cross-country move has had me a bit distracted.
@pdennis93
@pdennis93 3 жыл бұрын
@@TofersCarTales I hear that. I remember driving across the country in my 95 trans am moving from Florida to Arizona in 2005. Now I'm back in Florida LOL.
@nolarobert
@nolarobert 3 жыл бұрын
I usually find these episodes an enjoyable walk down memory lane. Watching this brought back the nightmare experience I had in owning a 1980 Pontiac Phoenix. I must have had the base model as it didn't have any pretensions of sportiness. Its anemic engine couldn't get out of its own way when it actually worked. I have not so fond memories of the engine dying on me at stoplights. The transmission failed and had to be replaced. Then the replacement engine failed and had to be replaced. I can't think of any positives to say about the damn thing. The 2nd generation X-Cars from GM represent the nadir of the US Auto industry. Vehicles today are light years ahead of the X-Cars thanks to government regulations on emissions, safety, and efficiency as well as the competition from Japan. Now I have to purge these memories before I go to bed tonight!
@christopherjones512
@christopherjones512 3 жыл бұрын
Totaya is the American car now
@NikateeN
@NikateeN 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video, but definitely had a creepy vibe to it. I’m now scared of the Citation. 😂
@antmcgowan
@antmcgowan 3 жыл бұрын
Another fantastic care tale from Tofer. Please keep them coming ❤️
@travisd6585
@travisd6585 3 жыл бұрын
Had an 1980 citation x-11 got it in 1990 drove the shit out of it for 5yrs then sold it to my dad after I restored it.
@TheGenuineFer
@TheGenuineFer 3 жыл бұрын
Another masterpiece! I can tell a lot of work and research go into your videos!
@sleeksilver
@sleeksilver 3 жыл бұрын
The only dislikes of this video are GM employees or fanboys. This video is spot on.
@DrOlds88
@DrOlds88 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for taking the time to share so much about these cars. I really dig the 80's clips throughout, very cool!
@bulgingbattery2050
@bulgingbattery2050 Жыл бұрын
The Chevrolet citation will give you chills.
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and please like and subscribe if you enjoyed! The new ending theme song featured at the close of this video is by Tommy Laszlo a.k.a. Thomas Labadie. open.spotify.com/artist/5KyEWwjMZNs6iIrfVpNfqq
@tford17
@tford17 3 жыл бұрын
I sure did subscribe! I loved the Cadillac Cimarron video. I owed two back in the early 90’s. A 1984 and a 82.
@RabeHighPerformance
@RabeHighPerformance 3 жыл бұрын
Have you planned do a video on GM G Body platform.
@RabeHighPerformance
@RabeHighPerformance 3 жыл бұрын
My first car is 1986 Pontiac Grand Prix LE. I still have to this day.
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
@@RabeHighPerformance on the to do list!
@howebrad4601
@howebrad4601 3 жыл бұрын
I like the x cars. Right size, good mileage, still comfortable. My 1980 Buick Skylark rides good, has a nice comfortable ride and despite its reputation the 2.5L iron duke is the quickest starting engine of any vehicle I’ve owned. I’ve owned over 100 cars both domestic and foreign. I’m not joking. I literally tap the key and it’s running. It also has surprisingly nice seats. Very comfortable. Of course it won’t match a 2021 car, but it’s 41 years old. Way way better quality than the 79 Datsun I had and better than my 83 Honda Civic I still have
@bigheadfred
@bigheadfred 3 жыл бұрын
The rear-wheel drive Chrysler F-body (Plymouth Volaré/Dodge Aspen), like the M-body (Chrysler Fifth Avenue/Dodge Diplomat), was what the General Motors front-wheel drive X-body was to the front-wheel drive A-body (Buick Century/Oldsmobile Cutlass Ciera/Pontiac 6000/Chevrolet Celebrity). Initially, these cars had horrible build quality, but their more luxurious versions released a year or two later were essentially the same cars with the same interior proportions, wheelbases, and drivetrains, but with more upscale-looking body panels and better quality control that led to much longer model year productions than the cars they were originally based on.
@SloGN
@SloGN 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome. A new video from tofer! I was sharing your K car video on the K car lovers and owners Facebook page. As I spotted a awesome 82 Lebaron convertible with the mark cross interior. The group enjoyed your video! Keep up the great work !
@TofersCarTales
@TofersCarTales 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome thank you!
@djstehle9061
@djstehle9061 3 жыл бұрын
I bought a new 1982 Citation X-11. I loved the roominess and styling, but it had quality issues and was always at the dealership to repair something, most notably there was an issue with vapor lock and the smell of raw gasoline coming from a bad fuel pump. I never had the brakes lock up. but I did have a bolt fall out from under the dash that held the steering column up. Eventually, somebody stole it. They may have done me a favor.
@MisterMikeTexas
@MisterMikeTexas Жыл бұрын
Leslie Nielsen's nose growing longer and longer! 😂😂
@tigercap100
@tigercap100 3 жыл бұрын
What a great title. Lol
@michaelsimko7694
@michaelsimko7694 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't be surprised if the K-Car outsold these X-Bodies. I hardly ever saw any of these X-Bodies when I was a kid in the 80s and early 90s. It amazes me how GM went from one of the wealthiest car companies in the world to bankruptcy, before becoming "the new GM".
@Hammerhead547
@Hammerhead547 3 жыл бұрын
A Chevy Citation also played a hilarious role in a phonied up NBC Dateline report about C/K series pickups in 1992 that got NBC sued for liable and defamation to the tune of $5.000.000.000 by GM. The producers of the piece (which was entitled "Waiting To Explode") admitted too using remote controlled mini rocket motors to ignite gas the spewed out of the overfilled fuel tank of a 1/2 ton pickup that was fitted with the wrong fuel cap and had its safety systems disabled. They tried to say that the fire was caused by the broken headlight bulb of the citation which was used to simulate the accident but GM was able to track the trucks used in the report down and have them examined by an independent examiner which led to a hilarious retraction of the story by Stone Phillips and his co-host on air where they basically said "we're sorry, we made a whopsie in our pants with that story and it'll never happen again".
@acemobile9806
@acemobile9806 3 жыл бұрын
My mom had a Citation 2-dr hatch for a while with the 2.8. First time I popped the hood, I thought maybe it'd be somewhat of a runner. Lol the Iron Dukes were just as fast & more reliable. She hated every moment of driving that thing. She wanted to borrow my Fox Cougar a lot 😆 Alas, without the X-car underpinnings, the Fiero wouldn't have existed, as well as the GM-10 platforms. They may have been flops but I think it's safe to say they got their money's worth out of the hardware. Fabulous video, scratch that, WORK OF ART, as always Tofer. 🥇
@jamieshields9521
@jamieshields9521 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome vid👍it was tough time for GM as there engines were dated n Ford was thinking outside the box, no different been today. Ford Australia decided keep large car but fuel inject their big straight six in XE but Holden went with smaller sedan with NO improvement in 202 six until 88 with Nissan engine then Buick six in all new Commodore platform the VN. My family own HJ Kingswood n I had VH Commodore both were shocking at fuel consumption n power of 202 six, brother had XE with 4.1lt six it was little better but it wasn’t until VR Commodore with safety features plus large sedan n improvement on Buick 3.8 V6 that cut my fuel bill in half over the VH. But GM would tie up Australian Holden n history would repeat itself again before end of Holden.
@deanstyles2567
@deanstyles2567 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah GMH weren't exactly kicking goals in the early 80s either. Camira, anyone? The Starfire four? The old 202 blue and black motors didn't even have catalytic converters and unleaded fuel to blame.
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
I can't see WHY they continued Citation after 1983.(to use up tooling?!?) The FWD "A" Celebrity and "J" Cavalier were already out, and between the two of them, there HAD to be something for the Citation's intended buyer. GM Did go on to make good FWD unibody cars: My first FWD car was also my first new car: the 1986 Buick LeSabre. It was a "new" platform, "H" shared by the Pontiac Bonneville and Oldsmobile 88 (but in reality the 1986 "H" was based on the 1985 FWD "C" Electra,98 and Deville/Fleetwood...) It was well screwed together and had a basically "bulletproof" running gear. I kept it for 11 years!
@MrNeptunebob
@MrNeptunebob 3 жыл бұрын
Because how else would GM have a Citation Too?
@jamesslick4790
@jamesslick4790 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrNeptunebob 🤔😜
@JazzzRockFuzion
@JazzzRockFuzion 2 ай бұрын
The editing in these videos is truly S-Tier. Mad props, full points awarded!!
@deancoronado4898
@deancoronado4898 Жыл бұрын
As a kid who grew up with a '74 Nova, the Citation makes me nauseous.
@OLDS98
@OLDS98 3 жыл бұрын
Informative video. I enjoyed the video for the content. I do remember the X cars too. You put a lot of effort in the video and gathering content. Good work.
@MrNeptunebob
@MrNeptunebob 3 жыл бұрын
Another article I read referred to the Citation II as a Citation Too.
@MrNeptunebob
@MrNeptunebob 3 жыл бұрын
I always liked a play on words and I cannot take credit for that one. The Truth about Cars did an article about X cars and their author mentioned that. I did say once in the 80s that the rock band Styx Stynx and years ago the Moody Blues came with the album Octave which was Octful and should have been called Awftave.
@BullRunRoad30
@BullRunRoad30 3 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: The original name for the car we would later know as Chevy Corsica was Citation III. I read this in Popular Science back in the day.
@reginaldlawrence412
@reginaldlawrence412 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Now most of these cars are long gone.
@325xitgrocgetter
@325xitgrocgetter 3 жыл бұрын
Summer 1979...the X car made its debut and they were hard to find...and if you could find one the dealers we marking them up. We were at the Buick Olds Cadillac Honda Mazda dealer in my town and my parents were looking for a new car...something more fuel efficient....and the options were order one and wait, buy what they had in stock, including a handful that were some how Canadian cars but ended up at this dealership in ND...they had no AC and would require a dealer install....or....try something else. Dad was crunching numbers and decided that a 1979 Olds Cutlass Salon Brougham that was a dealer demonstrator model would be the best alternative....and given the X Car's issues, a more proven A body gave us better service than the Buick Skylark or Olds Omegas at the dealer. With that...I spent lots of seat time in X Cars since I got my license in 1981....and many friends had them....a friend of mine had a Citation 5 door hatchback as his college car in 1988 and we would sing the 1980 Chevy Citaaaaation jingle any time we would ride in it. While underpowered, it did get him around without many issues. One family I knew had an 81 Omega ES and I had driven that car many times...sharing driving duties on a roadtrip or borrowing the car for a Thanksgiving weekend...driving it from Chapel Hill, NC to Knoxville TN and back...when ascending the I40 grade east of Ashville the transmission started to slip....and apparently a transmission lead started during my trip....so I spent every gas fill checking transmission fluid and topping the level off....and it did get me home...but made for a nerve wracking weekend.
@dma124
@dma124 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, Tofer! Great video! I had a 1981 Skylark 2-door with the V-6. Poor car. Built and engineered terribly, the car was 9 years old when I got it and I drove it for four miserable months. Had I had the money to put into it, perhaps it could have beef decent. But it was doomed from the beginning. This jalopy is not missed at all!
@bayareanewman1566
@bayareanewman1566 3 жыл бұрын
My grandma had one of the Chevy versions, I think a 1980 version. I have a vivid memory of her taking me for a ride in it when I was about 4 (she passed away a couple of years later) what I remember most, besides the unique body style (it seemed modern when compared to my parents 1980 Plymouth Volare) was the vertical placement of the stereo. This is a great video!!! Very informative and entertaining!! I always look forward to your videos, they never fail to impress!! Keep ‘em coming!
@oliverrojas7117
@oliverrojas7117 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for the beautifully designed and edited intro. clips of Laura Branigan singing alongside 80s X-body commercials.
@LeftyPem
@LeftyPem 3 жыл бұрын
I grew up in a Citation II. Glad I didn’t know it was so dangerous in a collision!
@Just-a-guy926
@Just-a-guy926 3 жыл бұрын
I had a gold 1980 Skylark 2.8 V6 until I replaced it with a 1986 Mazda 323 hatch.
@engineer_alv
@engineer_alv 3 жыл бұрын
What the heck? 9 dislikes Are these Chevy Citation owners?
@misfiring_system
@misfiring_system 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've been waiting for this!
@rob1tnt
@rob1tnt 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic as always Tofer!
@brawnbenson552
@brawnbenson552 3 жыл бұрын
I only liked this video because of your quality production. We’ve missed you. The X cars were frumpy. GM has a hard time connecting desirable products with consumers.
@joec1774
@joec1774 3 жыл бұрын
While this is a great documentary (thank you, Tofer!) and undoubtedly the X-car was a disaster for GM, I don't know that it's entirely fair to use the crash test footage used here, which looks to be from the experimental 48MPH impact that the government ran, NOT the actual 35MPH closing speed that was the standard. Was it a marvel of structural integrity? No. But I think this test is a bit nonrepresentative perhaps. Full video of the X-car 48MPH crash test: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/b9Gdd7B9qLqVhok.html Video of X-car crash test against similarly sized contemporary (in which it had lower/better head injury scores): kzfaq.info/get/bejne/fdd0d5OJvODYaaM.html
@chickenmuffin
@chickenmuffin 3 жыл бұрын
Honestly the footage used is probably more fair and realistic than the real footage then…
@joec1774
@joec1774 3 жыл бұрын
@@chickenmuffin Why?
@chickenmuffin
@chickenmuffin 3 жыл бұрын
@@joec1774 Because the regulations and testing situations back then were not as honest as they are now. I'm sure a 48 mph front end collision is more common than 35 mph, and the result more important.
@petervitti9
@petervitti9 3 жыл бұрын
I owned a 1984 white citation for 5 years. It was a great hatchback. It had its repairs but nothing major. I really miss it.
@DanniTheMagicJunkDrawer
@DanniTheMagicJunkDrawer 3 жыл бұрын
Damn! I’ve been waiting for this!!!!! Yay
@averyparticularsetofskills
@averyparticularsetofskills 2 жыл бұрын
5:54 Im EFFIN TERRIFIED !! 🙄 Not sure if its the DEATH trap driving THROUGH a solid wall or that DUDE with the sharp teeth looking THROUGH my precious soul 😳
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