Even William Burroughs and Samuel Taylor Coleridge writing was more semi-lucid dreaming.

I agree 100%...even as he was saying NO..he was laughing uncomfortably in my opinion..something commonly done when you..well..when maybe you're not telling the whole story.

Exactly. Lawyers are involved and they have to sign all kinds of papers. There's no way he's going to spill the beans.

Yeah, I started to realize this guy is all business and will say whatever is the best legal footing...even if it is BS. He sort of lost me at being 'shocked' that rock bands sometimes bring in session players. That was common practice in the 60's; and later, the huge revelation that Dick Wagner and Steve Hunter played the iconic solos on Aerosmith Train Kept A Rollin, for example. Surely he heard of that?

Sixx smashed his Porsche into a wall destroying his shoulder, it knocked him out of action from early 83 to 85, his replacement Matthew Trippe played on Shout and Theater

@sify Any idea who played on the demos for Shout then? And if the shoulder put him out of action from 83 to 85, why does it look like Nikki Sixx is playing bass at the US Festival in Devore in 83, three and a half months before Shout came out? Unless you're talking recordings only. Still, the parts on the Shout recordings don't seem to be any more difficult than what's being played live at Devore. But if his shoulder was completely messed up when Shout was recorded.... point taken. Edited for accuracy: Devore was in May 83, Shout came out in September 83. My bad.

Why wouldn’t Mick have played bass though? It’s probably more likely that happened and a lot of bands have had drummers play an added guitar rhythm or whatever. Just because someone’s the drummer doesn’t mean that’s their only instrument. The Beatles switched off on instruments a lot! David Gilmour’s played bass, drums and keyboards on some Pink Floyd songs. You can’t always believe what is said in interviews either, even from an industry veteran. Tom is pretty much a “straight shooter” from what he’s said and there have been things he said some of the fans haven’t liked,so of course he’s going to be questioned on some of his quotes and diminished down to “ of course he’s lying he’s plugging his book!”

​@@muziktrkrThis would've been the logical thing to do, as he knew the songs in and out and all. Steve Jones played bass on Nevermind the bollocks also.

Nikki played on Shout and Theatre...stop with the lies, rumors, urban legends. Everybody has a story about Crue. The producer Tom Werman right here is telling you Nikki played every note.

Jeff Pocaro's drums and Steve Lukather's guitar are all over loads of records in the 80's. Top notch studio cats.

Even singer coatsh ken tamplin participated on "Revenge" by Kiss. As did Tommy Thayer

He also somehow was able to take credit for the musical writing credits . Anyone who knows Mick can tell Nikki didn't write those hit riffs . As an example the song Louder than Hell , main riffs , had that Ritchie Blackmore style . Deep Purple was one of Mick's favorite bands . Listen to the last part of the lead solo , on Take Me to the Top . It's from Blackmore's solo on Highway Star . Also the riff for Dr Feelgood , had that catchy hook to it using a chord Hendrix had used . Again Hendrix was one of Mick's favorite players . Nikki wrote the lyrics , but the guy is a fraud as the musical creator in Motley Crue . That's why he hired Bob Rock to produce the new album with John 5 . Without Mick he doesn't know what to do for a hit song musically in their style . He needs Rock to help craft a hit for them

and whats absurd is the notion Werman has NEVER heard of this!! Thatz how you know he is full of sh*t.

5G and a bag of blow? now THATS a gig. Oh to live in the old days. Oh, and be GOOD!

there's a reason we in the thrash community called them posers

He couldn't even come up with his own name. He had to steal another singer's stage name.

@@johnbyrnes3790 You do realize Motley Crue and Metallica had the same producer Bob Rock right?

i do. and that's when we started calling metallica sellouts and posers. the black album sucks. try again@@wantsome-zs5sq

@@wantsome-zs5sq metallica is a poser band that can't play too lol, they have someone like me produce them that can play everything 😂

exactly! Nothing wrong with just being solid at bass which for Motley works. It's not Geddy Lee and doesn't have to be.

I appreciate you. Thank you!

Man, the guitars on that song are killer.

@@thewhiteelephant Super fun to play.

Werman still abiding by a expired NDA. Cmon Tom everyone in LA knows Nikki copped his look and clothes from that crazy kid Matt lol.

@@b.m.2434 He actually coped it from Blackie Lawless.

​@@b.m.2434or Johnny Thunders

Sounds like if there was a whole bunch of people, he could’ve copped it from then maybe all those people were copying too. Point is, just because you like someone’s look, and that influences how you dress, doesn’t take anything away from it. This is just a stupid argument when people talk about stealing his looks. Jesus, every fucking glam band or hair metal band looked at the same.

Steve Hunter

Agreed...hes never heard of session players on rock alumbs?!?!?! When he was in the heyday of the 80's producing the biggest bands records and highly involved in the community of record producers and he NEVER heard of secret session players on recordings?!?!?

I agree! Tommy lee is average or below average drummer! The only talent in that band was mick mars!!!!

@@paulhabrelewicz7749nah, totally disagree, Tommy is a brilliant drummer. He’s lost it now but in his prime he was a beast

go to his website

Neither guitar player played on the first two Warrant album. And Fred Coury, who was a good drummer, didnt play on most Cinderella albums. The lead guitarist in Vixen didnt play on their biggest hit. Kiss played their own stuff until Ace and Peter became unreliable. Then they brought in ghost guitarists and Anton Fig to play drums. It's for sure common.

⁠thats not true. Mike Hammer played solos and a few lead licks on quite a few. The warrant guys played rhythm parts and a few solos. Then Mike taught them what he played for them. Theres an inbloom interview and they go thru track by track

It seems unlikely “big shot” Tom Werman would discover ghost players in 2024. The ‘80s were competitive, everyone was watching everybody else, he would have known A&R guys, sound engineers or just studio staff that were familiar with it … unless he is playing silly, or did it all himself.

@daveg4236 youre right. They did play rhythm guitar. And that wasnt a shot at those guys. They were quality players

This guy is trying to keep the open secret about the music business.

All he said was that was unheard of on the albums he produced. By the bands he produced. Why would he care about what other producers do? Unless they’re friends. Werman has more platinum records under his belt than most producers could dream of. Period. But he’s going to lie and sully his reputation? For what? Nikki Sixx WROTE THE F’ING SONGS. You don’t think he could play the bass lines to the songs HE WROTE?🤯 Are you high?🤷‍♂️

agreed 💯

​@BillMcGirr ....Ummm thats not what he said. He said he had never HEARD of that. Thats a crock of shit. Werman never heard of BOB EZRIN? Come on thats BS. Werman is full of it. Supposedly Nikki writes everything (ever heard of DJ Ashba) but the idea when he was in his "admitted" multiple rehab trips and broken shoulder that Doc McGhee wouldnt get a fill in especially in the studio for such basic mundane bass parts is also quite preposterous. DEF could have happened. Werman also didnt engineer shit and left it up to other people. He has admitted he wasnt in the studio all the time with the artists he produced. Some claim they hardly saw him.

@@rocknroll6396 Yeah..i recall him saying that too. $hit was going down when he wasnt around for sure....and Tommy's friend he brought to the studio is flat out saying he spoke to Tom IN THE STUDIO asking wheres Nikki?!?!

@@BillMcGirr I know Nikki was MAIN song writer and lyrics and yes he could play the bass BUT playing in the studio on an album is an entirely different beast...som musicians can wrote a song and can play live no problem but have trouble in recording studio...fear, nervousness, intimidation.etc..etc..for a number of reasons. Maybe Nikki is one of those guys. Its possible.

Not true for a lot of those bands who were amazing musicians and could outplay a lot of those thrash bands. Kip Winger said it best when he said Metallica hated him because his band could easily play Metallica songs but Metallica couldn’t play Winger. And it’s true.

@chrisbranco1969 I stated with exceptions of a few bands. Winger was a talented band, and so was Dokken and Ratt. Van Halen was the king of that style. However it got oversaturated with all these other knock off bands from around 1986 to 1990.

@@donnyramay2635 I agree on that.

But..metallica DID start to sound like some artsy fartsy prog metal band ..the irony...when Dave left metallica..so did their Musical complexity..

Yeah. I have the utmost respect for Mick. All my guitar friends after dr. Feelgood were like wow! Have you heard micks guitar playing? On dr. Feelgood. It was very phenomenal and made them huge. I remember interviewer asking Mick about Nikki's writing on feelgood. He was like yeah he came in with a few chords that he had to actually structure into a song. Nikki is sooo high on himself. Fakest rock star ever!

But he wrote all the music and lyrics for some kick ass Crue records. It was never about his bass playing chops

​@@markn3936We're not talking about his song writing ability, though.

I mean he did his job as a bassist. Crue songs don’t need intricate bass lines like Rush. Most bassists in the 80s hair metal/rock scene had the easiest jobs playing root notes

Cozy Powell played drums on the first Cinderella album

@@sagedrummer AND, the 2nd one.

That's a shame cause Fred was actually a good drummer

@@DouglasSnodgrass Maybe, he just couldn't play to a click? I saw them on the "Long Cold Winter" tour, & he seemed fine to MY ears.

@@teeoh9192 I think the click is overrated. Things start sounding mechanical and calculated. This is not classical orchestra music, sometimes a flaw gives it a bit more depth and feeling. A metronome is fine. But it's just ridiculous when you go into different time signatures and key changes. Rock music was never designed to be perfect but is a state of mind. Am not knocking bands that are meticulously perfect. But I feel most lose passion and emotion

The current Bon Jovi bassist wasn't IN the band back then anyway. It was Alec Jon Such who quit maybe a decade or so ago. Although I believe the single you're referring to is "runaway" and apparently yes JBJ got a bunch of pros to play (and maybe even write) that song to get him through the record label doors. He just sang over the top of what all the session guys played and then when he had gotten label interest enlisted the guys who became the "members" of the band. I think they were all pretty much contract employees except for RS, who was given a bigger stake.

@ty8811 No. What I said is true. Go look at the credits. Hugh may have only been credited on a few songs on each album before he was officially in the band, but he actually recorded all the Bass on the records. He was basically Bon Jovi's studio Bassist and Alec was the live Bassist.

@@bubbatha wow. I didn't know that. I'm gonna trust your word and not bother looking it up, mostly because it's bon Jovi and therefore not really up my musical alley except for a couple of tunes off 7800° when I'm in the mood for 80s nostalgia. Maybe that situation with Hugh had something to do with AJS quitting. From what you're saying it sounds like he had no creative role in the band at all which was probably frustrating. Idk... But the machinations of bj behind the scenes when compared to the image projected by JBJ thru their videos, like some band of brothers are kind of cynically interesting, so thanks for the info.

Yes! It's been rumoured for years Hugh was the studio bass player since the first Album!

@@eternity8811 In the new documentary that was just released about Bon Jovi, Jon admits it was Hugh on the records.

Did you hear Vince Meal singing “Shout at the Deli?” 😂

You want to believe it , so you assume he's lying. If you saw a video of him playing and recording the album, you'd convince yourself that it was an AI produced fake. You have no real idea if he played on it or not.

Mike Slamer played solos on the record, but the guitarists form Warrant played on the record.

CC Deville played the solo on Cherry Pie

How is it "well established" when Motley Crue's primary music producer says it's bullshit?? I don't have a dog in this fight, but it's silly to believe in conspiracy theories for no reason.

@@jameshutchinson568 He is talking about Warrant, and Tom said it is news to him, when everybody knows Mike Slammer played.

He didn't want to start trouble. I don't think Nikki laid a note down.

A Good book to read is Andy Taylor's

If you haven't read Motley Crue's "The Dirt", then you're really missing out! The gold standard of gonzo rock n roll debauchery!

@@teeoh9192 I've read it! Easily the best book about the music industry that I've read.

@teeoh9192 and full of lies.

@@teeoh9192 I have read it. Definitely entertaining!

Dude I really believe that Werman is a scumbag. Took points from every record, but dammit if he hardly did anything to deserve it..

@@seanmurphy26 you seriously didn't think Tom did anything? Have you ever recorded an album in a million dollar studio with a world - renowned producer?

@machupikachu1085 actually a couple, ever heard of the Scottish outfit, Texas?!

​@@machupikachu1085.... you need to hear from some musicians he "produced" who all state he was rarely present and left it up to engineers. why would they ALL lie and he is telling the the truth?!?! Nikki Sixx himself doesnt like Werman. Neither do many others. And the idea he has "NEVER HEARD" of studio musicians being subbed in is a crock of sh*t. He never heard of Bob Ezrin, Bruce Fairbarn, Eddie Kramer, Beau Hill??? All platinum selling rock producers who subbed in studio.musicians on tracks.

The guitarist they brought in ended up giving the guy's in Warrant guitar lessons

@@JJ-oe9wc That was Mike Slamer.

haha, good! Perhaps one of THE sloppiest and overrated guitarists ever.

Brad Whitford also played/created a lot of the solos people thought Joe played on records.

​@@smandez2023sloppy guitar players who can write will ALWAYS go further than more precise and technique driven players who have no creativity.

He played the cymbals on Pyromania with two arms, and Hysteria with one.

They also did this on pyromania. But it’s still impressive considering he had to learn to play it live with one arm

That sounds interesting. I’m going to check it out. Thanks for the tip.

totally , i mean he _only_ wrote 90% of all the Crue's best music ..but apart from that yeah he's never gonna be cool like you 🤡🤡🤡 Too Fast For Love All tracks written by Nikki Sixx, except where noted Side one 1. "Live Wire" 3:14 2. "Public Enemy #1" Sixx, Lizzie Grey 4:22 3. "Take Me to the Top" 3:43 4. "Merry-Go-Round" 3:22 5. "Piece of Your Action" Lyrics: Sixx, Vince Neil / Music: Sixx 4:39 Side two 6. "Starry Eyes" 4:28 7. "Stick to Your Guns" 4:20 8. "Come On and Dance" 3:11 9. "Too Fast for Love" 4:11 10. "On with the Show" Lyrics: Sixx, Neil / Music: Sixx 4:07 Shout At The Devil All lyrics and music written by Nikki Sixx, except where noted. Side one 1. "In the Beginning" Geoff Workman 1:13 2. "Shout at the Devil" 3:16 3. "Looks That Kill" 4:07 4. "Bastard" 2:54 5. "God Bless the Children of the Beast" (Instrumental) Mick Mars 1:33 6. "Helter Skelter" John Lennon, Paul McCartney Lennon-McCartney 3:09 Side two 1. "Red Hot" Sixx, Mars, Vince Neil 3:20 2. "Too Young to Fall in Love" 3:34 3. "Knock 'Em Dead, Kid" Neil, Sixx 3:43 4. "Ten Seconds to Love" Sixx, Neil 4:17 5. "Danger" Mars, Sixx, Neil 3:51 Theater Of Pain All lyrics are written by Nikki Sixx except where noted Side one 1. "City Boy Blues" Sixx, Mick Mars, Vince Neil 4:10 2. "Smokin' in the Boys Room" (Brownsville Station cover) Cub Koda, Lutz 3:27 3. "Louder Than Hell" Sixx 2:32 4. "Keep Your Eye on the Money" Sixx 4:40 5. "Home Sweet Home" Sixx, Tommy Lee 3:59 Side two 6. "Tonight (We Need a Lover)" Sixx, Neil 3:37 7. "Use It or Lose It" Sixx, Mars, Neil, Lee 2:39 8. "Save Our Souls" Sixx, Neil 4:13 9. "Raise Your Hands to Rock" Sixx 2:48 10. "Fight for Your Rights" Sixx, Mars 3:50 Girls Girls Girls All lyrics are written by Nikki Sixx except "Jailhouse Rock" by Jerry Leiber and Mike Stoller Side one 1. "Wild Side" Sixx, Tommy Lee 4:41 2. "Girls, Girls, Girls" Sixx, Lee, Mick Mars 4:30 3. "Dancing on Glass" Sixx, Mars 4:18 4. "Bad Boy Boogie" Sixx, Lee, Mars 3:27 5. "Nona" Sixx 1:27 Side two 6. "Five Years Dead" Sixx 3:50 7. "All in the Name Of..." Sixx, Vince Neil 3:39 8. "Sumthin' for Nuthin'" Sixx, Neil 4:49 9. "You're All I Need" Lee, Sixx 4:32 10. "Jailhouse Rock (live)" (Elvis Presley cover) Leiber, Stoller 4:39

@@mattdylan664 get a life

No, in the sleazy way too. 😂

Same tribe.

@ThePedophileExposingHunter no he just writes their songs. Try writing 9 albums?!

Nikki is the Lars Ulrich of bass guitar.

​@@MykeLewisMusicYea, both very good at their craft.

the same one who replaced Ace Frehley on Sweet Pain

True. The lead guitars on Same Old Song And Dance and Train Kept A Rollin are Dick Wagner or Steve Hunter (can't remember which -- it's on the Wiki). The band was fine with it, as it wasn't every lead track on the album, and they wanted those two tracks to get played on the radio, and understood the reason the producer wanted the ringers brought in.

​@chriscampbell9191 Pretty sure it was Hunter.

@@williamlangeii4012I just looked up the Wiki. It was Dick Wagner on Same Old Song And Dance, and Wagner and Steve Hunter on Train Kept A Rollin'. And I guess it was Steve Tyler who was OK with the substitutions, but Joe Perry and Brad Whitford weren't happy with the decision. But I guess the big picture here is obviously ringers were used in Rock music even during its 'classic' era. The Alice Cooper track My Stars, for example, is all Wagner, too -- one of the best solos on any of the Cooper albums. But I still don't see why a producer would bring in a ringer for Nikki Sixx's bass parts. It's not like they're super complicated, and he seemed to play them well during that period in the live footage one can see (Us Festival 1983 being an example). EDIT: to some who think the Wiki may have been mistaken, most Wiki entries have documentation, and the documentation in this case was taken from Dick Wagner's own website. In the Wiki in question, there is also documentation of Wagner and Hunter's contributions taken from a Guitar World article.

It's now a known fact that Cozy Powell played the drums on the 1st two Cinderella albums.

Yeah, I'm gonna say he just doesn't want to cause a stir with anyone since his book has come out.

all the time? He did it once on one song on Kiss Destroyer

​@@earld158 Alice Cooper that I know of as well as Kiss. Also producer of Aerosmith song Train kept a Rollin was Steve Hunter. It's a common thing.

that was shout at the devil

Right!!! They are the best of the best players that are nameless to people that aren't like major music fans. They go in and play jazz charts and track them in a day....I think they can handle Motley Crue songs.

Was there any NDA signed by the parties back then?

@@OperationEndGamethey’ve always been in use

I think he does not want to ruffle any feathers since his book is out. The more nice he is, the better these artists are to talk and promote it.

Could be a potential NDA clause in the contract he signed when recording the band?

@@RockMediaReview I've wondered that about Mick Mars. Would not be surprised.

Yes to me the case in point was the US Festival footage, Sixx was playing the lines just fine and in fact Mars was messing up more ironically

@@themadmattster9647 I heard Mick Mars' mess ups, too. I guess the band were all super nervous, as they apparently hadn't played to a crowd that big before. But it was a good show nonetheless.

@@themadmattster9647 I was actually watching some of that footage last night, & Nikki seemed to be playing fine, for the most part. I think live, he eschews any "flourishes" that may be on the albums, & sticks to main parts of the basslines.

That's not true at all.

Most? Go outside and touch some grass dude. Jesus Christ.

​@@user-yk4gd1fl4zI agree. So easy and logical to redo parts in the studio.

​@@mr.brenman2132unfortunately music business is..... a business. Also, if someone else plays your part better and makes you sound better on the recording why would a drug/drink riddled musician care

@@user-or4hs7xq9u It's not true at all that most of the albums were played by session musicians.

Peter Tork and Nesmith were both guitarists with chops as good as a lot of artists of that era. Just because they didn't play on those early records doesn't mean they were unable. They played live shows in front of huge crowds. Do you think they were miming? Dolenz also played drums at all those concerts. At least do some research before you comment

This guys full of poo poo. I said the same thing. Hours for a garage band?

That's bc he's the one that signed the NDA.

Nikki doesn't lie about a thing. True he did a lot of bad things screwed up his life with Heroin, but he still the most gorgeous man and he is a good bass player now and he's a good singer. I love Nikki Sixx and I don't care if he really played or not. He plays now Angie's really good I think all of you guys talking bad about Nikki should just shut up and find something else to screw up

@phyllisgoodson9865 Just because he’s good looking and you have a school girl crush on him doesn’t mean he’s not a liar. Many people who know him personally say he’s a liar and a fraud.

Number one I know Nikki didn't play bass in the beginning. But I do know that he took lessons and he does now very good. And by the way I don't have a schoolgirl crush on Nikki Sixx. He still is and always was a good-looking guy. And a good singer. And just because I think he's a good-looking guy and I appreciate all the above doesn't mean I have a schoolgirl crush. You should be ashamed of yourself. You of course don't have a crush on him but you obviously have a couple of screws loose. And don't know as much about the c r u e. Why do you listen to all that crap that's out there and is put on KZfaq and anybody else is dumb enough to listen to it? And as for the rest of these stupid comments he is not a liar and his books were very good and very helpful. Why don't you find something else to do with your spare time

I think I already answered this but I'll do it again. I do not have a schoolgirl crush on Nikki Sixx I respect him for who he is and what he's done. I went through some of the problems he did and I found his book yes the heroin Diaries very very helpful. I'm sorry you're so short minded and listen to all the crap that's been put out there get a life and leave Motley Crue alone

Mick is the only one with a lick of sense

Don't support that liar