Glad you enjoyed it!

It is the best on KZfaq. Old world seems really hard to learn from this Battle report.

Thanks! It was such a mad dash to get it all done in 2 weeks!

@@ryancooper3629 your grind is highly appreciated, I paused that shot with the dragon in the smoke for a good minute

@@envaya9838 He was a blast to paint, one of the big minis GW has put out in a while.

​@ryancooper3629 It looks incredible. Any chance you could share your bone painting recipe?

@@KeeksAU Primer with a bone color (I used AP Bone White) Drybrush with a pure white Block in all your other colors. Wash the whole mini with AK Winter Streaking Grime Let it dry for an hour so its not fully dry but also not still wet Then use Q-tips to clean the whole mini leaving the grim in all the recesses.

I thought the same thing 😂

"You're STILL the one!" ;)

We hunted in the rules and couldn't find anywhere that is says you can't move while in combat or leave combat, happy to be proven wrong though as I thought the same but we couldn't find anywhere that said it.

Thought so , but have no proof. We’re all learning 😅

Having had some time to get acquainted with OldWorld I can confirm you can’t move out of combat. In the combat section it reads after all the choices that ‘become engaged in combat once more, becoming locked in place until the next player’s turn when the combat will continue…’ or similar type of texts see page 157, or 152 . You can only break from combat if you don’t pursue or are not pursued. Hope to have clarified.

@@hans8102 Good catch. Def not an ideal spot to specify this. We were looking in the movement section trying to find this clarification. A restriction about the movement phase shouldn't be described in the combat phase area of the rules. ;)

What can I say…. It is GW… Anyway hope to see more TOW content on your amazing channel!

Yeah good catch, I didn't even realize the italic text under it wasn't flavour text! Years and years of other games has taught me italic = fluff and is to be ignored. ;)

Thanks for such kind feedback, really glad to hear you enjoyed the video!

Quite agree. Excess is Always anoying.. and that screaming trend to let us know it's great is embarassing. Living its battle from Time to Time is cool. That game came from a roleplay After all. And the player is supppsed to be the general

Bear in mind we had to paint two full armies and learn 200+ pages of rules in about 10 days over Christmas. Some mistakes were inevitable. I don't expect it wildly swung the outcome though and had the TKs side been more willing to dump that no armor saves spell into the knights each turn it would have been even more onesided. Unfortunately the starter sets aren't balanced. The Brets have no tools to deal with the big monster and if you roll up certain spells the TK player has a huge advantage.

@@ryancooper3629 You make a good point. I didn't realize how little time yo had to prepare. I thought you had access to the rules etc. a few months in advance. The Tomb Kings army looked well painted by the way.

Fear actually has 2 triggers, first when you try and charge a unit with fear that has a higher unit strength if you fail you cant charge, and second when you fight that unit, if you fail you get -1 to hit. You only need to make one fear test a turn though so if you pass the charge you wouldn't get the -1 to hit.

Some guys pointed out that stepping up negates attacks only if you step up into the fighting rank, so you can keep your support attacks by back spearmen.

Peasants cannot.

The TKs had a spell that made it so you couldn't use general's leadership so in some situations this was negated.

What are you talking about.@@Stonehorn

@@Lerbrandt peasants cannot use inspiring presence in TOW, only knights.

But they could have used ANY knight's LD if within 6" per the Peasantry rule.@@Stonehorn

Army Painter Bone White Drybrush white Block in all other colours Coat in Winter Streaking Grime Let dry for 1 hour Clean off streaking grime with Q-tips. And glad you liked the bases, I opted for that option because I felt “my” Tomb Kings would be invading someone, they wouldn’t be at home. ;) Also in the lore of the new game, the TKs are actively invading the border princes so I felt it made sense to have them on that sort of terrain.

Correct. If you fail an armor save, you roll a ward save. If you pass the ward save, that attack is outdated.

Even if they wanted to 'double dip' by supporting the now-AoS armies in Old World as well, they've settled on a timeframe that would make it difficult to include Skaven - they're currently busy not existing (i.e. so caught up in below-ground civil wars that the Empire forgets they ever existed and comes to dismiss them as a myth). I suspect that if the game's successful it will be more likely to expand to factions such as Cathay and Araby (and hopefully update older kits that missed the boat this time - looking at Treekin especially) than to support stuff that's already well-supported in AoS. If it does well that's a sign it doesn't need to bring back further existing armies as a sop to players of the old system, after all.

Peg knights are Monstrous Cav so 3 per model (9 total) Skeleton Cav are light Cav so 2 per model (16 total)

This game is built for terrain, they just didn’t use any

@@Stonehorn Played it for 20 years... Naw. It's not really terrain friendly. That's why people just put it around the outside and a hill in the middle on occasion

@@chad534 again, The old world was designed to play with terrain. This is not a cc of WHFB.

@@Stonehorn we shall see. From everything out there so far there isn't much difference.

@@chad534 the game has rules for moving through terrain, especially stuff smaller than 2”x2”. Just look at Mountain Miniatures games with plenty of terrain on the table. Buildings, forests, fences, stakes for archers, etc

They are. Bear in mind that the focus of the game is on the Old World, and specifically Settra's invasion. Settra's TK faction is Khemri so it makes sense to name it - the Tomb Kings outside his control sitting back home in the Land of the Dead aren't involved in the story (this is probably why TK get Apophas, who has known links to him, but not Khalida as a special character, although there is lore for Khalida fighting within Settra's fleet). GW has in any case always tended to treat the two as synonymous, since Settra unified most of the Tomb Kings and those who resist him are regarded as renegades. For instance they have a Khemrian Warsphinx, but is there any lore restricting sphinxes to the city or kingdom of Khemri, or any effort to disallow the unit from armies based on other kingdoms?

AK Black Red shadow & Brick Red highlight!

@@SeasonofWar nice! I've been using a lot of AK recently

Pretty much across the board, I think. Used to be just the mummies, but I think skeletons have it now as well (without checking, but that's how other reports including the Warhammer TV one played it).

Dry as dust

Hope so!

It might be a bit before we can bring more factions to bear, its quite a lot of work to build and pain full armies and the minis aren't exactly easily accessible yet. For now, expect TK vs Brets mostly. I do have a full Dark Elf army in a box unpainted as well as like 100 Juan Diaz Daemonettes but with the announcement that legacy armies won't get any future support we are debating whether it is worth the effort to paint those up.

@@ryancooper3629 i would love to see the druchii on the board, they're my favourite faction! they arent getting an arcane journal yet, but given fan response so far, the upcoming malrerion faction in AoS, and other channels saying they will playing Legacy factions and including them in tournaments, I think it will be absolutely worth painting them up! plus side is the legacy PDFs have the same effort put into them as the core factions, so their rules and balance will hold up for quite some time ^^

@@bobbyfillier7931 Yeah, I agree, everything is an opportunity cost though. Painting a full DE army will take considerable effort so we gotta decide it is worth it over spending that time on another army. Still to be determined. :)

@@ryancooper3629 makes sense, I cant wait to see more either way!

Also, this Tomb Kings paint job is insanely good.

It is army wide but only applies to models with "Blessing of the Lady" which the peasants do not have.

Peasants do not benefit from the lady’s blessing.

I stand corrected - I need this rulebook out ASAP!

I would suggest re-reading the rule. It specifically states the all units in the army with the special rule gain the effects. Special rules are listed on the unit profiles. Knights have "Blessings of the Lady", peasants do not.

@@ryancooper3629 Well I stand corrected sir. Goes to show I should prob wait until more clear screens of the rules are out before judging a battle report with partial info. I am assuming the foot knights have the rule?

@@Morendie91 yes

Its a 6+ and only is given to units with the Blessing rule. Peasants don't have it. (Its a 5+ vs Str 5 and higher but only dragon attacks in this game give that)

@@ryancooper3629 you've just confirmed what I've said then? :) (I know the rules)

Unless the model had Flammable.

@@MarkAndTerra yes very true

You are correct but in the interest of time we knew that there was plenty of movement to wheel, then move, then wheel again. They only ended up sliding like 4-5"

He had more than enough movement to put them there, so measuring is a waste of time. It’s not a tournament game.

you know he can only move them 7" right?@@Stonehorn

My guess would be a bunch of plastic infantry and cav. Maybe 2 blocks of spearmen or sea guard, 2 blocks of archers, and some silver helms. Then some new character model. But who knows really, we don't even know if other armies will get big boxes like this yet.

That's not true. The tomb kings units kinda suck in this box. Just watch other battle reports to see what I mean. Jordan here just still doesn't understand what he's doing and the tomb king's player is also making mistakes.

​@@demiliomason1565 It really depends what spells the TK side gets. A couple of the spells are game warping. Like having a spell that, on average, kills 4 knights per turn with a 14% chance of picking up an entire unit while the Bret player has virtually no defence against it. (Yeah I know they get a dispel, but really, how often are they going to stop it against a +3 wizard?)

Until he abliterates a unit with that very spelll....

The battle report missed the fated dispel, and the Brets were also overcautious. If you sit back and don't engage in combat with your melee army, the side with bows and spells is going to win. Spells are also normally randomised, so unless the specific list in the box preselects the Liche's spells he won't always get a powerful magic missile. The only one he can choose is The Dwellers Below, which is just a low-strength stone thrower shot (complete with scatter). Given familiarity with the rules and even experience between players (recall, Ryan has much more experience with WFB than Jordan and despite a few wrinkles this is an official 9th edition of WFB) the Tomb Kings will struggle for lack of hammers - in particular, they don't have good tools for dealing with the Pegasus Knights or the duke (who seems to be about even in combat terms with the dragon - despite its preposterous base the dragon is not especially impressive, being closer to a griffin than other factions' dragons and pretty much on a par with the Warsphinx), but the fact that their horsemen don't work as frontline cavalry also limits them. That restricts them to the mage and the chariots for serious damage.

​@@philipbowles5397 You are correct, though we didn't forget about fated dispel (notably it did deny my reserve move spell one turn), its just it is very unlikely to stop a level 3 wizard. And yes, you only get the powerful missile 50% off the time if you play by the pre-made lists. Though, moving forward using lists we create ourselves, I will never leave home without the 30pt artifact that lets you choose your spells. ;)

They have a rule called dry as dust where anytime you take damage from a flaming attack you have to roll a dice and on a 4+ you rake an additional damage

He could have but remember I still had one powerful magic missile that could be shot off in the shooting phase so throwing away his on unbind on a hail marry probably wasn't worth the risk. (Remember that particular magic missile has a reasonable chance at picking up a whole unit of knights in one shot (about a 14% chance for it to delete 6 knights with an average of 3.5 dead knights)). In this case, I chose not to move my dragon into a vulnerable position to get in range, but I could have. As for the 1 inch thing, you are correct, not sure, it would be close. The rules state that in that situation you just push the models to 1" away, we should have done that.

Tomb Kings aren't the ideal starter box faction for introducing players to the game as a whole, since they don't follow the usual psychology and break test rules that are the fundamental point of the combat system, and their woeful initiative means that everyone will steal a march on them without making use of the new initiative rules. This is definitely a release targeted at old timers - there were better faction choices to advertise it to players truly new to the game. Your point is valid more generally, though - WFB is a lot of fun but it's definitely from a different era and random effects are far more impactful than they ought to be in a competitive game, especially by modern game design standards. Designers of the old editions seemed to love trying to capture flavour with 'anything but a 1' effects, when games could hinge on which and how many greenskin units were affected by animosity, or more occasionally whether a unit of monstrous infantry or giants went stupid at a key point (more occasionally because monstrous infantry was rarely terribly effective even when it behaved itself).

It depends what you are looking for in a game. AoS has a lot more moment to moment action whereas TOW is more about thinking well ahead and carefully executing your plan. Imo both are great. :)

@@ryancooper3629 I'd definitely say AoS rewards forward-thinking more: thinking which battle tactics now will lock you out of battle tactics later, and in many missions how changes to scoring over the course of the game influence plays. I don't recall ever thinking as far ahead when playing WFB (and yes, I still consider that the acronym for The Old World). Unit movement trajectories were largely dictated by deployment other than for skirmishers and fast cavalry, which could react quickly enough not to require much thinking ahead. I'm very excited by the return and keen to play again, but I agree with the original poster. AoS is a better game, and there's a lot they could and probably should have modernised in this edition that they failed to for no obvious reason other than misplaced nostalgia: people nostalgic for the system want the playstyle of WFB, they don't care about how the BS stat is formulated or similar trivia - and if they think it through they could probably do without stupidity, animosity, or tracking VPs by the hundreds. A more granular morale system is appreciated, but the implementation - the worst outcome still being a flat dice roll that doesn't take account of combat results - still gives a disproportionate weight to random outcomes, a general issue with most older GW rulesets.

The alternate game systems don't affect our AoS content, so I hope you stick around at least for that! Truthfully as a solely AoS channel we're still struggling to make the channel financially sustainable, so the goal is to expand to other systems to make it all more stable.

@@SeasonofWar I just assumed that there is a monetary gain in splitting up you content to different channels. A lot of the other channels I follow are doing it 🙂 I probably use KZfaq different than most, so it's not that you might make less AOS content, it's more that I get more videos in my feed that I don't want to watch. I will most likely keep watching you AOS videos. But I will just search for it when I want to, instead of being a follower.

@@SeasonofWar Oh sorry to hear that and understandable your trying to keep the channel stable. Hopefully things are doing better for you in the new year as I want you to succeed as your one of the best batrep channels on YT for AOS and pretty much any system.

Looks far better than round base blobs. As for terrain, TOW is designed for it, No idea why they didn’t use it.

@@Stonehorn Half filled trays look better than round bases? we definitely disagree

Some players will put larger units on two Movement Trays for each half of the unit so it can be removed when no longer needed.

@@Stonehorn WFB is designed for more and different types of terrain than players ever realistically used, which is why it has never been very good as a 'true' rank and flank game. There are entire sections of the rules on changing formations and moving through narrow areas that presuppose a terrain-dense landscape and especially one with chokepoints and linear obstacles such as rivers in abundance. That's because WFB is essentially a '50s historicals ruleset adapted for an '80s fantasy environment, and it kept stuff in the rules from its historical predecessors that were never really used in WFB itself. Much of that is because those features are relatively involved to model, and at least part of it is because the scale isn't suitable for a 'true' rank and flank game. No one wants to play a game where they're constantly reforming their 20+ individual model units into columns and squares, and the size of the models and rate of movement relative to the tables simply doesn't allow physical space for complex manoeuvres - the games it was based on typically used much smaller figures, generally modelled in multiples to a base. All that said, the use of AoS terrain in this report was definitely to the report's detriment. Hills and woods, so important in WFB, are all but absent in typical AoS games.

Squares really only look decent in the deployment zone. That Bret lance formation especially looks goofy once they get into combat.

We won't be doing any less AoS batreps! Thats still our core! :) Old World is just bonus, like 40k

We said from the start it was a learning game and we were going to get lots of rules wrong 🤷

We won't! 👍

Yeah just got back at AoS, members and don’t really care about OW please continue AoS you guys are the best for AoS!