303 British; Is It Still A Viable Hunting Cartridge???

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Tom River - Simple Living

Tom River - Simple Living

2 жыл бұрын

Today seemed like the perfect time to take an in depth at the 303 British cartridge and see if we can answer the questions, is it still a viable hunting cartridge?
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@australianmade2659
@australianmade2659 2 жыл бұрын
I’m an Aussie with Lee Enfield in the safe and 500 rounds in the cupboard. It’sthe history we love. The guns made the ANZAC legend. No different to Americans having a Springfield for sentimental reasons or collector value.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
It's odd but the old sentimental favorites like the Springfield and Lee Enfield are still my favorite hunting rifles and not because of sentimental reasons. Those rifles are just that good and their cartridges are just as effective as ever. I guess them being so well made is what made them the sentimental favorites they are.
@wreckanchor
@wreckanchor 3 ай бұрын
Here in America we used to be able to find and buy surplus Enfields 30 years ago or so for $100.00 all day. Now they are $500.00 guns in fair shape, $1000.00 for nice ones. The springfields have always been harder to find and more expensive strangely enough.
@saskcop416
@saskcop416 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada just about everyone grew up using a surplus .303 to hunt everything that walks. It performed just fine. Everyone has moved onto other calibers for the most part. There are still a lot of fellas packing their .303's during hunting season, but more for nostalgia than anything else. Here, you go to a local gun store and you can't find a box of .303 ammo just about anywhere. If you do, it seems to command a mighty price. My hunting buddy is one such guy that used to use a .303 and he raved about how it hit so well for him. He has long since progressed onto a .300 Winchester Magnum; but this year he finally admitted to me and said, "I probably should have never left the .303". True words for sure. Still one of the few "perfect" rounds.
@marvinbrewer8637
@marvinbrewer8637 2 жыл бұрын
Reloading the 303 is expensive too two or more years ago I paid 40 bucks for 50 pieces of hornddy brass. Now it impossible to find any ammo or reloading components. Thanx joe Biden. Let's go Brandon
@millionjakeus
@millionjakeus 2 жыл бұрын
Lol those old fellas love their cut down enfields
@keithlucas6260
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
Still have a box of Speer .311 Spitzer bullets for reloading along with rounds I've reloaded 20 years ago. Was thinking of pulling the old gal out a few weeks ago and sending some down range.
@laurenttherrienjr1080
@laurenttherrienjr1080 2 жыл бұрын
fact
@injens
@injens 2 жыл бұрын
Canadian Tire .
@AcousticHunter
@AcousticHunter Жыл бұрын
I'm 23 and proud to be using a 303 british for every big game hunting I'm doing here in Quebec Canada, thank you for your video
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving Жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed it Alexandre. The 303 British served me awful well for whitetail deer for many years. I eventually went to other cartridges but that was only to experiment with them because I never had any reason to quit using the 303 British. It never quit working and I have found some cartridges since then that are as good but I have never found anything better.
@justincady4457
@justincady4457 10 ай бұрын
Soft point or FMJ??
@samhunt9380
@samhunt9380 2 жыл бұрын
Certainly is great hunting rifle. Been using them since I was a teenager in New Zealand, with open sights. Now 74, I use Carl Gustaf .270 but still have a beautiful old Lee Enfield .303 fully wooded.
@garycarlin4732
@garycarlin4732 Жыл бұрын
same here, started on the old mans 1905 N01mk1 back in the late 70's been with the 303's ever since. I have that same rifle and a few others, all fully wooded & restored
@larssmith6780
@larssmith6780 Жыл бұрын
I recently picked up a MK1* MLE cavalry at a gunshow in whangarei and its a nice rifle for the price i paid
@bashpr0mpt719
@bashpr0mpt719 8 ай бұрын
But that's because you aren't allowed real guns there. Your government bent over backwards to fulfill every wish of a spree killer, which is why kiwi's still sit in prison cells for passing around a text file of his manifesto, your government didn't want that spread around because then the people would see that they literally gave him every single wish he held, and did every single thing he requested they do, to further disenfranchise the New Zealand populace.
@NelsonZAPTM
@NelsonZAPTM 6 ай бұрын
​@bashpr0mpt719 excuse me sir, your comment is a little off topic.
@Gottaculat
@Gottaculat 2 жыл бұрын
Nice thing about the Enfield No.4's unmodified magazine is it self-corrects for rim lock. Seriously, if you put a round in with the rim behind the rim of the previous round, when you push it in, the mag shifts it to the correct orientation. You should still load it correctly, because like with any mechanical system, it can fail, but it does help mitigate rim lock when loading hastily. I love my Enfield No.4. I really lucked out and bought one from an estate sale with a nearly factory-new bore, for just $200 in late 2020. Super smooth shooting rifle, and my reloads shrank the grouping down from 3 MOA with factory loads, to 0.92 MOA with my reloads.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I did not know that about the Lee Enfield magazines. Thanks for sharing that!
@owennikish7995
@owennikish7995 2 жыл бұрын
Yup. I have a mk.4 as well and a couple magazines. I had been taught to load them as you showed in your video and always did it that way but had heard it doesn't matter in an enfield. I tried it loading them wrong and it cycled perfectly!
@danwhite5550
@danwhite5550 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Tom always good to see you I inherited my father's 303 it was the only rifle he ever owned he absolutely loved it and I believe you're right unfortunately we're never going to go back to our past normal thanks for the video
@ronalddunne3413
@ronalddunne3413 2 жыл бұрын
The .303 Brit is as good -or better hunting round as it ever was. Reloading for it allows for better accuracy and better bullet choices. One of my favorites along with 7,92x57 Mauser and 7.62x51 (.308). The Brit Enfield #4mk1 still makes a good battle rifle, for a bolt action.
@zapszapper9105
@zapszapper9105 Жыл бұрын
Love your show, and your easy going chat side delivery. You give me time to hear and listen. Well done.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving Жыл бұрын
Thanks Zaps
@linemen71
@linemen71 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, just wanted to say I’m really enjoying your channel. Keep up the great content.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick I do appreciate that.
@injens
@injens 2 жыл бұрын
I’ve shot a lot of moose in my lengthy life…perhaps 35-40, all with a British .303. I live in Northern British Columbia and have run a large registered trapline for the better part of 60 years. I depend on my old gun for procuring food as well as discouraging the odd grizzly.
@RebelSandGaming
@RebelSandGaming Жыл бұрын
Hows .303 british do on grizzly?
@myfirstleeenfield8292
@myfirstleeenfield8292 Жыл бұрын
Hello from Yorkton, SK🇨🇦
@stevebeaulieu7876
@stevebeaulieu7876 Жыл бұрын
@@RebelSandGaming it works
@RebelSandGaming
@RebelSandGaming Жыл бұрын
@@stevebeaulieu7876 what would perform better a 215 grain .303 or the 180 .303
@bobkat1663
@bobkat1663 2 жыл бұрын
I have one, breaks paper at 100 yards, paid $30 for it, fixed it up and put a scope on it, I have killed everything elk size on down. The most accurate rifle I own on commercial ammo. Hand loading produces same results. I will never sell it. Great show.
@mauricelevy9027
@mauricelevy9027 Жыл бұрын
They were also used on PEOPLE originally.That tended to tame ones desires to go killing wild animals for fun .
@bobkat1663
@bobkat1663 Жыл бұрын
@@mauricelevy9027 Only shoot what I eat, true hunting.
@blackie1of4
@blackie1of4 2 жыл бұрын
Shot my first buck with the 303 British. My three brothers used the 303 British as well. Growing up in Pennsylvania the four of us boys each one year apart.. my father started us out with a Jungle Carbine. When he suddenly passed in 2019.. each of us wanted that rifle. However.. I thought the youngest of us should be the one. A lot of memories with our father and that 303. Good luck to you brother and God bless you as well!
@kenlansing1216
@kenlansing1216 2 жыл бұрын
We Canadians haven't gone too far in making wildcat cartridges out of the .303 British case like the Australians, instead tending to rely more on just changing the bullet weight for the job: before it was discontinued, Imperial offered a 215 gr. roundnosed loading that was effective on everything with feet. There was the briefly popular .303 Epps, but about 30 years ago some intrepid Canuck came up with what he called the .311 Canadian magnum, combining the .311 diameter projectile of the .303 British with a necked down and modified .404 Jeffrey case. The result was a magnum round which outperformed the .300 RUM with significantly less recoil. but it never caught on in the U.S. and so it died with the Canadian market being too small to sustain it. I think the .303 British will remain a viable hunting round for up to ten years longer in Commonwealth countries than the U.S.
@matthewcharles5867
@matthewcharles5867 Жыл бұрын
Was wildcat in Australia a lot due to laws which meant we were not allowed to use it in 303 calibre for a while as it was still the standard military round once we went to the slr rifle it became more available.
@nathanadrian7797
@nathanadrian7797 Жыл бұрын
That was RCCM, Royal Canadian Cartridge Manufacturing that built the 311 magnum, they were also the only ones to load ammo for it. They had bought the old Imperial ammo loading equipment, and were based out of Kelowna B.C.
@RobertEllis-xk8sf
@RobertEllis-xk8sf 9 ай бұрын
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@tacman2893
@tacman2893 2 жыл бұрын
I was well into my 20’s before I had any other rifle but my 303 Lee Enfield Parker Hale conversion. Here in Canada it was a mice to moose cartridge and most of us learned on those rifles. The Canadian Rangers (a northern reserve unit) still used that round in a classic Lee Enfield until just recent times when they switched to a Tikka rifle in 308 Win. Thanks for the video.
@craigschaefer8764
@craigschaefer8764 2 жыл бұрын
My .303 was made in 1943. I will continue to shoot it, and hunt with it, until I, like it, fade off into the past.
@rickfletcher8422
@rickfletcher8422 2 жыл бұрын
It’s funny you know; ADI(French owned Australian company that makes the powder) is telling us that the powder shortage we’re having is because they’re filling the larger us orders first! I’m right in the middle of moving from the worst Australian state(with the current authoritarian state government) to a better state. Scary times.
@OverThickness
@OverThickness 2 жыл бұрын
And how are you enjoying Queensland? ;-)
@74KU
@74KU Жыл бұрын
You clearly are talking about or have never been to, Tasmania.
@thebastard1958
@thebastard1958 2 жыл бұрын
You are very interesting man, thank you for posting video's. I love the content.
@normann4016
@normann4016 Ай бұрын
hi Tom, thumbs up for yr reports and your friendly way you talk 😊
@martinetti123
@martinetti123 2 жыл бұрын
Thx, excellent! Here in Bavaria, the .303 is still readily available from "S&B". Thx also for the link to "USOG" and the wunderful new gun in .303 British! God bless!
@grumpywolverine9075
@grumpywolverine9075 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Still shooting the 303 in both my old enfields and my Winchester 1895s.
@johnnymccann5607
@johnnymccann5607 7 сағат бұрын
in over 45years of gun collecting,reloading many,many calibers, hunting I cherish the enfield 303 British rifles. I've gave them away as gifts. I have several rifles in 303,7.62 ×52,8mmm, 6.5× 55 Swedish Mauser. I do have rifles in modern calibers but my old war horses is my heart. I've took a few 303 and 7.52× 54 rifles cut down barrels, stocks, made scope bases with with elevation and windage adjustments. special ultra reduced ammunition for kids and people with health issues who can't handle recoil. the last two enfield rifles I bought were for the government of India in 308winchester. papa wishing you well 😊
@magicdaveable
@magicdaveable 2 жыл бұрын
I used to use my 303 Lee Enfield as my all purpose rifle but rebarreled Enfields chambered in 6.5x55 SE. Less recoil and better performance. It's a shame too because the venerable .303 British is an excellent hunting caliber although it does have excessive recoil in lighter weight rifles. I believe that the Lee Enfield action is the very best bolt action battle rifle ever built.
@GeorgiaBoy1961
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Жыл бұрын
@ David Bennett - Re: "I used to use my 303 Lee Enfield as my all purpose rifle but rebarreled Enfields chambered in 6.5x55 SE. Less recoil and better performance." The 6.5x55 "Swedish Mauser" is another one of those cartridges that punches above its weight. It sort of flew beneath the radar in North America for many many years, but finally - with 6.5 Creedmoor, et al. - the virtues of .65mm/.264-caliber projectiles and rifles for them are being more widely known. The quip is that the Swedes and Norwegians - they developed the cartridge jointly back in the 1890s - must be laughing themselves silly, saying in their languages, "What took you guys so long!?" They've been using it to take everything from bear to reindeer to moose for a long time, despite conventional wisdom saying that it is too light to do the job. High sectional density numbers are part of its secret sauce - that and tough 160-grain RN slugs placed in the right spot. The "Swede" is so good that many African guides and PHs recommend it as a plains game rifle, alongside 30-06 and other traditional choices. I'm partial to the M1903 Springfield myself and 30-06, but even then as a Yank, I can admire the accomplishments of the Lee-Enfield and the 303. We'll be dead-and-buried long before the last one of those old rifles is done for. They certainly built them to last, didn't they? Yours Long Branch or Savage or what?
@kentowens2179
@kentowens2179 2 жыл бұрын
I found some bullets at Grafs a couple years back for .303. They were Hornady 150 grain boatail in. 312 diameter. They came 200 in a plastic bag, and had the ballistic tips. I loaded up a few boxes, just to have some on hand. Back then, they also had brass from PRVI. Never tried any of that. Nice video, I have a fondness for the old .303, since I used one for years to great success while deer hunting.
@jordanhicks5131
@jordanhicks5131 Жыл бұрын
Just checked grafs, they still have tons of 303 British bullets and cases.
@GeorgiaBoy1961
@GeorgiaBoy1961 Жыл бұрын
PPU (Prvi Partisan) makes great ammo and reloading components. A well-kept secret in the FA sporting industry, at least in the 'States. They've been around for more than a century and know a thing or two....
@steve-rr3nq
@steve-rr3nq 5 ай бұрын
The wife and I moved back to the country, in the early 90's. I bought a sporterized 303 at the hardware store for $100. I have taken a deer with it every year since. It has never given me a problem, except, for the dark bore. I clean and clean, but it is still dark, but tons of rifling left.
@HVACKABOOM
@HVACKABOOM 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tom. Great insights and valid opinion. You may be right, the barrels arent getting any younger and fashion is moving in other directions. I have a barely used model 4 mk2 with all of its furniture and original battle sights. Anyone and I mean anyone who picks that firearm up immediately synchs up with it. It is iconic and has a line to it that just doesn't quit appealing. Thay may not be enough. There are many modern powders that work but it seems you need a few varieties if you want an all purpose rifle out of it. As you pointed out the 180g bullet is good for anything. It was designed to kill or wound a very specific creature. Using a single powder I can load 175g or 180g as well as a 130g well enough. But really, if I want to shoot a lighter bullet regularly there is my Swedish 6.5. The 303 was the go to gun for the average Joe who wanted to moose or deer hunt up north. Under 100 bucks at Canadian Tire and a box of ammo and off you went. There are tens of thousands if not millions of them in closets all over the world in varying states. Many if not most still quite serviceable. There are still many people using them to great effect in conflict zones. As these theatres become calmer maybe the foriegn manufactured ammo will become available? Much like 7.62 is. Take care and I really enjoy your presentations . I forgot to mention, they are very, very rugged and work in the most appalling conditions.
@txhuntsman
@txhuntsman 2 жыл бұрын
It's a fine round. Old doesn't make it obsolete or less than relevant IMO. Enjoyed today's discussion. Be Blessed.
@easttexan2933
@easttexan2933 2 жыл бұрын
Tyler County resident. You?
@davecook5068
@davecook5068 11 ай бұрын
Hi Tom , really liked your video on the 303 British and the up coming rifle ammo view . I am a collector of guns and reloading presses and over the years have found some very good things . What I have found out over time that several countries have developed cartridges that have the energy to take on deer for the table . The 303 , 7.7 , 8mm , 7.62R and our 30/06 has the energy ( with the right bullet ) to hunt deer at the right yardage . And dont get me wrong I love new ideas for new cartridges but its a shame some of these older shells are going away !!!! Thanks for the video . Dave Cook
@rossbagley2734
@rossbagley2734 Жыл бұрын
Here in New Zealand the .303 british has shot more deer in our mountain regions than any other cartridge. Deer and alpine animals have been culled for over 100 years . The government cullers were issued with ex military. 303 smle rifles and ammunition taking animals out to and passed 700 yards. I'm 43 years of age and have 6 different models of .303 rifles. Beautiful firearms and history
@losonsrenoster
@losonsrenoster 2 жыл бұрын
I also reload with Hodgdon Varget, and sometimes I have to make do with what I can get, but the main difficulty in SA is not the powder, it is the bullets, with that .311 or .312 caliber sometimes very hard to find. Casings are also difficult to find and extremely expensive, but fortunately used casings are still relatively easy to find, and I have been able to stock up with enough casings to keep reloading for years to come. To extend casing life, it is best to use a casing in one rifle and not in a different ones, I can necksize only, with the casings already perfectly pressure -formed for my chamber.
@antonvandenberg5017
@antonvandenberg5017 Жыл бұрын
Hi @losonsrenoster. I recently found Guns & Bows in CPT are agents for Hornady. They have a wide range of bullets for the 303. I'm also moving over to Varget. Any information you can give on load data?
@owennikish7995
@owennikish7995 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the biggest reasons for the decline of the 303 is a lack of rifles chambered for it. The old lee enfield's are, for whatever reason , you're only way to shoot that caliber and they ar getting very old. I wish companies would start making replacement parts for these old rifles again. I think someone could make a lot of money doing this. They made something like 20 million of them so there's still a lot out there. And WOW! Probably the smoothest action ever! If you have never shot one you probably don't believe the hype but the British military figured out the best action 130 years ago! Smooth as butter! You would have to spend $2000 bucks today to get anything close.
@Pack_the_Ripper
@Pack_the_Ripper 2 жыл бұрын
I recently picked up a non issued 1943 longbranch lee enfield. In absolutely mint condition. I paid a collectors price for it as a result. But I purchased it because I have never had one. and I want to shoot it to my hearts content for years to come. Absolutely fantastic video. 👏
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and congrats on getting one fine rifle!
@poorfatman5317
@poorfatman5317 2 жыл бұрын
Wow I have never seen it a new rifle in 303 good information thanks for letting me know that was another issue I had with the 303 I wanted better site or a scope scope mounts really hard to find the Mark 3 Enfield
@Pskawt
@Pskawt 2 жыл бұрын
I absolute love my 1942 Enfield. As far as effective caliber you said it yourself, a some tipped arrow can take down a moose. A .22 could kill a moose. All I know is that my Lee Enfield has a 10 round magazine, accurate adjustable iron sights & one of the smoothest actions I have ever fired!
@rudysroots2789
@rudysroots2789 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, we need you to run for a public office. Your demeanor is great.
@paulsimmons5726
@paulsimmons5726 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, I had a 303 Enfield years ago and it was a terrific round as I remember. Unfortunately though, I'd have to agree with your assessment of the old 303's future... Unless the ghost of Christmas Future helps it make a comeback. Your advice about buying local was spot on also; all the cargo ships waiting to unload goods shows what can happen if the supply chain goes off the rails, maybe your powder is on one of the ships. Anyways, I'd advise anyone who's looking for a new rifle to stay with the most popular calibers here in the US (223Rem, 243Win, 6.5Cr, 270Win, 7RM, 30-30, 308Win, 30-06, and 300Win caliber). Those rounds will be the easiest to find in general but if I had to pick only one, it'd be the 30-06 because it can loaded for so many situations and it has a stellar performance history. Maybe not the "best" every application but the most versatile overall, especially if someone handloads. As far as the prices go, I've resigned myself to never seeing Winchester Super X 30-06 for less than $20/box again, 😢. I guess it makes my collection of 22's more valuable since shooting CF rifles is off the menu for the foreseeable future. Great video, sadly I have to agree with you about some of the dire points you brought up. Take care!
@hairy-dairyman
@hairy-dairyman 2 жыл бұрын
Finding projectiles has been the hard part for me. But I inherited a heap of surplus brass and a mk3 from my great uncle. Its a pain to de-prime but it's beautiful stuff. It's my dog and fox gun for when I'm checking fence lines and the occasional military rifle competition
@treyriver5676
@treyriver5676 Жыл бұрын
.311 is not that hard to find as a rule. If all else fails 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r bullets can be pulled..
@user-cn8vb9hh5z
@user-cn8vb9hh5z 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a Brit about to buy my first .303, likely a number 4. Unfortunately we can't get Varget here anymore so I'll rely on Vihtavuori N140 or similar.
@llkj7944
@llkj7944 2 жыл бұрын
When my dad discharged from the Canadain army he bought a BSA rifle in 303 British around 1947, he used it for 25 years and harvested elk, moose and deer, I started useing the same rifle in the early 70s and over a 10 year period I harvested elk, moose and deer with it also, mostly useing 180 gr CIL or Imperial factory loads. I am 60 now and still have some 303 Brits, I regularly shoot a WW1 Enfield no1 mkIII with hand loaded cast bullets. Hopefully the 303 will be around as long as the 30-30, 30-06, 8mm mauser and 7.62x54r last, they have all been around well over 100 years so far! Buy and Lee loader kit and a mould in .311, put it in your possibles bug out bag for hard times, I have loaded the 303 with many different powders, from light cast bullet loads in pistol powders, shotgun powder, black powder, trail boss to full on high fps loads useing many rifle powders.
@edwest7035
@edwest7035 9 ай бұрын
very informative, ive been looking for info on 303 british as i have two..thanks..
@stephenland9361
@stephenland9361 2 жыл бұрын
I haven't tried Varget for reloading .303 British (for my Enfield P14). Over the years I've used IMR 3031, IMR 4350 and IMR 4064, all with good results. One of the 'old boys' at the range suggested I try BL-C2. He swore by the stuff. As for the cartridge going the way of the Dodo bird, I doubt it'll happen any time soon. There are so many rifles out there chambered in the cartridge, especially the vast numbers of Lee-Enfields that there will be demand for many years to come. But if by some demonic curse, all the .303 British ammo manufacturers stopped producing the stuff today, I have a healthy supply of good old Canadian made CIL Imperial in 180 Gr. KKSP (the bane of many a Canadian moose). Imperial brass is good stuff and with a supply of Sierra .311 180 Gr. Spitzer Pro-Hunter bullets, I'm set for life.
@barrowd1
@barrowd1 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, shot the .303 in the Irish Reserves back in the day, 16 years old, best week of my youth! Now, how about a range report,.love to see that in action..one group will do, save that ammo!
@cekamsr
@cekamsr 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, most modern .308win barrels are 1/10 twist not 1/12. I've got 3 .308win rifles and all are standard 1/10 twist and I shoot 175gr & 220gr SMK handloads through them all just fine. Great video sir!
@markhansen8078
@markhansen8078 2 жыл бұрын
I do not think there is any doubt it is a great cartridge. The one I am interested in is the 7 x 57 Mauser. This one is pretty darn impressive to me. The 303 is nothing to sneeze at. As you know, I like the 30-06 and the 270 a lot. Both of these are cousins to the 303 but the grand daddy is the 7 x 57 Mauser. Thanks for the video and the subject. I was searching for a rifle that is in 7x57 mauser. I think Ruger No. 1 is still available in this round. Older Ruger 77's are out there too.
@laurenttherrienjr1080
@laurenttherrienjr1080 2 жыл бұрын
i was looking at bullet diameter .remington corelokt are .311 diameter and i have some hornady and some federal as well and they are .312 ...when i do bullet drop test meaning barrel wear test by putting the bullet in the muzzle if it goes to the brass your barrel looks warn out.it almost does it with remington but not at all with other .312 bullet so will it make such a difference in accuracy?
@mattedwards4533
@mattedwards4533 Жыл бұрын
I use to deer hunt with a Enfield#5 jungle carbine which is a 303cal. it never failed me. A 308 winchester,a 300 savage and the 303 British ballistic wise are pretty close to the same?
@JohnDavidHays
@JohnDavidHays 2 жыл бұрын
IMR Enduron powder 4166 is a good option if you can’t find Varget. Seems to be more commonly available in this time of shortage. I would make a point of buying up premium bullets in .311 (Sierra, Speer) or .312 (Hornady).
@rogerrodgersen7702
@rogerrodgersen7702 Жыл бұрын
Love and still use my old no 4 Reload new cases depending on intended use. Thanks From Australia 🇦🇺 👍👍👍👍👍
@michaelray4033
@michaelray4033 2 жыл бұрын
My go to rifle used to be my 303. But with the current situation, I had to switch to the 308. I personally prefer 303, especially out of a fully stocked SMLE; some how feels there's less recoil than a full sized 8mm.
@Outbackvintagevehicles
@Outbackvintagevehicles Жыл бұрын
Grew up using 303s and 303.25s loved the 303.25 but went to other calibres like 308, 3006 eventually. However still have a soft spot for the 303, 303.25 so much so that iv just purchased one mummy wrap no 4 mark 2 brand new in cosmoline and two 303.25s. New cases are available from 3 makers now in Australia at least plus you can purchase the loaded ammo but it's expensive so reloading is the go. I feel that the 303 Lee Enfield rifle was probably way ahead of its time. It's easy to have a whole conversation just on the 10 shot magazine let alone the the rest of the rifle and its colourful history.
@robertwilliams2623
@robertwilliams2623 2 жыл бұрын
That round been around a long time .Been hunting with a lee infield for years .love the gun and the round
@leeadams5941
@leeadams5941 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I learned something, didn't know Vargas was an OZ powder..I suppose if it were me and I wanted to shoot.303 I would be stocking up on brass, etc. and if and when it got so bad I could not find it I would barrel to 30.06. It's a shame really as the .303 is a viable cartridge and an excellent hunting round. I have to agree with you, nobody but God knows the future and what's going to happen, especially in the states. I pray the midterms will fix some of the problems we have now...its a shame a few years ago the economy was viable and growing, people were working, businesses were booming and then we changed leadership and it seems every day all we hear is doom and gloom...I pray it changes back. I always remember the USA is only 244 years old...and the Roman Empire was over a thousand when it failed...a country depends on its leadership and its people and it has to have both to prosper...Good video...God Bless
@keithlucas6260
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
.303 actually uses .311 dia bullets whereas the 30.06 is the .308 diameter. Would have to make a custom barrel for it.....cheaper just to buy new Ruger or Mossberg Patriot....most conversions back in the day went to using the Winchester .308 because it's also a short action whereas the 30.06 is a long action and won't fit.
@gotsloco1810
@gotsloco1810 Жыл бұрын
@@keithlucas6260 Enfields have a wide bore range. My POF No4Mk2 has a .308 groove Diameter. Just like a 30-06 or 30-30. I have mostly been plinking with a TL314-90 SWC sized to .309 and 5 or 10 grains of Bullseye. Fun plinked and fine for ground squirrels. I have yet to slug the No4 Mk1* I picked up recently. I may not need to size the bullets and just shoot as cast. The .309 sized bullet just about falls into the case. Learn to cast, learn to reload I knew I had to. My favorite rifle is in 25-20. I am much more likely to shoot a reproduction in 38spcl/357M though.
@keithlucas6260
@keithlucas6260 Жыл бұрын
@@gotsloco1810 .....the only bullet casting dies I've had since the 60's are for .38 special. I'm a master toolmaker so making dies for lead casting is a walk in the park.... Simple two plate aluminum and cut on a lathe with a four jaw chuck. Once offset and running back to back in a triple plate series you can cast as many bullets as you've bored holes for. A simple die grinder will cut the runners to each hole, and once the bullet is cut, any scale can weigh them.
@auzzyboi8434
@auzzyboi8434 2 жыл бұрын
You can get new wood and barrels for 303 and most gun shops in Australia I see 303s
@Oneofthetwelve
@Oneofthetwelve 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic round 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@pantheonauxilia
@pantheonauxilia Жыл бұрын
I have a Long Branch Enfield from 1950 and it goes hunting wildboars to Sweden in December 2022😎
@riverboy_2370
@riverboy_2370 2 жыл бұрын
I plan on getting an old SMLE No. 1 Mk. 3 sometime soon since I like WW1 history and was hoping the round would still be pretty decent, and it sounds like it works just fine if I can get ammo for cheap.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
The ammo certainly isn't as cheap as used to be but there is still some surplus ammo out there if you do some digging. As far as performance though it is a great cartridge even compared to more modern cartridges. It's only about 100 fps slower than a .308 Win which percentage wise is almost nothing. Definitely a rifle and cartridge worth having.
@craigbenz4835
@craigbenz4835 2 жыл бұрын
The cartridge with external ballistics most similar to the 303 British is the 300 Savage. They are nearly identical with 150 gr. and 180 gr. bullets. Unfortunately most viewers are no more familiar with the 300 than the are the 303, so the 308 is an apt comparison. Most cartridges I don't notice much difference in case brands, but with the 303 British W-W Super cases have always worked the best and lasted longest. My go to loads for my P14 has been the 180 gr. Sierra with IMR4895.
@danalim9670
@danalim9670 2 жыл бұрын
I was using H335 and 150-grain Sierra softpoints in the past👍
@warplease
@warplease 2 жыл бұрын
Canadian here I used the .303 on just about everything and almost every gun owner I know owns one. I switch between the .303 & .270win during rifle season.
@rhysrichards9832
@rhysrichards9832 Жыл бұрын
2023 and I’m still filling the freezer with the mighty 303 SMLE, PPU ammo on the deer and surplus for the range, much cheaper than trying to feed a 308 or 6.5 etc with ammo costs now, love from New Zealand
@tomjones7593
@tomjones7593 9 ай бұрын
That is a really beautiful Parker-Hale ! Sadly though everyone in Britain (those that can get a firearms certificate, that is) seems to have moved to .243/.308. My dear old father served throughout 1939-45 and carried a .303 til he was made an officer (Webley revolver !); he said it was a lovely soft shooting weapon. Unfortunately I have never had the chance to fire one and at 68- maybe never !! Thanks anyway-love your talks-keep safe and keep hunting. Tom
@Mikejohnson-wr2hd
@Mikejohnson-wr2hd 9 ай бұрын
I haven’t heard anyone mention the Wobbly Webley in a lot of years. Brings back fond memories. ❤
@hardball107
@hardball107 2 жыл бұрын
Unfortunately Tom, I believe you're right. The 303 is a great cartridge but rifles are becoming rarer than ammo. My first rifle was a SMLE Mk4 #1 bought in 1970 for $22.50 with a bright bore and the ladder type rear sight. I harvested my first deer with it in the Adirondack mountains. A downhill 130yd shot, aimed center mass above the front leg that 180gr, round nose Remington Core Lokt found it's mark, battle sights and all, and took both lungs and the far shoulder. I never reloaded for it because you could buy crates of Mil-Surp ammo for next to nothing, I believe they were 1248 rounds and cheap enough that I could afford it on a lawn mowing budget, just had problems carrying it. That was the draw, cheap ammo and rifles, quality rifles that shot darn well even with cheap ammo. I don't believe you'll ever see that again. For the life of me I can't remember what happened to that rifle, might have loaned it to a buddy but after I started working it was replaced by a Remington 700 in 30/06. The 303 will kill anything that needs to be on the table and if you have a rifle that will hit the mark you're all set but then, that's the problem.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I think you're right about that, that is the problem isn't it. LOL
@Seshins
@Seshins 2 жыл бұрын
Most of the guys i hunt with here in NZ shoot .308win, 7mm08 or 6.5CM (i personally use a .308win) but there are some old hunters or old souls who still love the .303 British.
@garycarlin4732
@garycarlin4732 Жыл бұрын
and I'm one of the "old souls' even at 60 started on a No1mk1, still have it + other models of the .303 and apart from an Arisaka type99 that's all I use
@garrybrischke53
@garrybrischke53 Жыл бұрын
Here in Australia 2022 ADI 2208 aka Varget is one of the few readily available rifle powders . Pistol & shotgun powders production has apparently ceased in Australia for the foreseeable future. Ironically the restrictions to ownership of automatic firearms in all states here will most certainly mean the reloading components that are still available will last for a bit longer . My Martini Enfield 303 Brit will last me quite a while.😉
@susanbutler2498
@susanbutler2498 2 жыл бұрын
YES is the answer. I hunt frequently with all of my Lee Enfields.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
It's funny but so many people don't realize that the .303 British never quit being a great cartridge. It's every bit as effective today as it was 100 years ago.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 2 жыл бұрын
I saw one of those Uberti stalking rifles a while back. Nice looking.
@vf19blue
@vf19blue 2 жыл бұрын
Thales / ADI are still making powder for us shooters, as well as the military. Varget is still being made, we have been advised that Trailboss, Shotgun and pistol powders will be a couple of years. But, I can still buy 2208 )Varget) locally. Crazy times here is Aus, but we'll see how it goes. If you are looking for inexpensive and good quality brass, look at the offerings from PPU
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info Simon! Brass seems to be easy to find for the less common cartridges here in the U.S. and I'm finding a few bullets and even primers from time to time. But it seems like powder is getting harder and harder to find? I could check Midway USA on line daily and they would get in some powder. It might not be what I used but I could see they were getting powder in, but now I'm not seeing that. So I'm not sure what's going on with powder? And I keep hearing things are crazy in Australia right now. I pray everything works out for y'all. I can say things are pretty normal in my state but that isn't the case for a lot if other states here in the U.S.
@poorfatman5317
@poorfatman5317 2 жыл бұрын
I think the 303 is always a good hunting cartridge regardless of the year
@aaronwilcox6417
@aaronwilcox6417 2 жыл бұрын
It's OK but it's probably waning. The commercial success stories for hunting cartridges are 6.5 Creedmoor, 308 win, 30-06, 270win, and 300win, and in the America's the 30-30. These are the solutions for game you'll find world wide except for the largest of species. Nearly everything else has really slipped in popularity and at times availability. I'm a big fan of the 338's, 348, 35 cal, 9.3, and 375 cals, but the reality is your seeing fewer and fewer of them as time goes on. I prefer hunting elk with anything 338 cal or my 348 winchester levergun but honestly it's far more cost effective to just keep a 30-30 and 30-06 around and fed than the more exotic and not so popular cartridges. Your 100% correct that we won't be going back to the life and times we were living in a few years ago. Rough seas are ahead.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I think most hunters have traded short to medium range effectiveness in favor of long range accuracy? And I say that because there is such a big difference in the terminal ballistics of those larger bore cartridges you prefer vs what has become so popular. None of that matters to much on deer but for elk in rough country I'm guessing it would make a big difference. And as for everything else, it's probably going to get real interesting real soon?
@aaronwilcox6417
@aaronwilcox6417 2 жыл бұрын
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving You should come and bring one of them Winchester 70's out west. I admit the animal numbers are in a sharp decline, but there's still opportunity. At least go and see some of those wild areas and trout fish, bear hunt, maybe wolf too.
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to have a cherry condition no 4. Enfield I would also love a P14 as well.
@poodlefluids
@poodlefluids 11 ай бұрын
Feels like the title of the video should have ended with "in America". 😊 But point taken on how it is slowing down. I still love my old Lee Enfield jungle carbine I got from Dad who got it from my uncle. Can't fault the cartridge but history does march on.
@davidforbes7938
@davidforbes7938 2 жыл бұрын
In your opinion how many times can you reload 303 cases. I understand that the cases expand a lot under fireing do to the loose chambers.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
David, 303 brass can expand a lot and reloading is tough on the brass but only if you full length size it, and even then only if the head space is a little off. If you neck size or just bump the shoulder like so many are doing now 303 brass will last just as long as any other brass. You will get however much stretch on the first firing but after that it will be fire formed to your rifle's chamber.
@robertrosicki9290
@robertrosicki9290 Жыл бұрын
The good old days when I was a kid in northern Ontario Canada . You could walk into the local surplus store and take you pick from a rack of Enfield rifles . That would cost you $16.00 , with ammo you were on your way moose hunting for a 20 dollar bill .
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving Жыл бұрын
Robert, my Dad bought the Lee Enfield in 303 that I hunted with for years for $45. Best $45 he ever spent!
@Eggwelder
@Eggwelder 8 ай бұрын
I have 5 Enfields in .303 from a martini to a No 5. The No 1s have really loose chambers, the No4 has an OK chamber, but the Martini and the No 5 have super tight chambers, and if i only neck size the brass fired from those two, i can interchange the reloads between the Martini and the No 5. I have Winchester casings with 6 to 7 reloads and they do not look close to separation. Lots of cracked necks but never a head separation with those two rifles.
@gslam8571
@gslam8571 2 жыл бұрын
Still popular here in Ontario Canada /,in fact just bought another one !
@johnnorman7708
@johnnorman7708 2 жыл бұрын
For deer, the 150 grain is fine. For elk I would go heavier. I'm doing about the same with the same bullets out of 7.62x54R.
@davejones67
@davejones67 Жыл бұрын
Agree good luck finding ammo. Also it may only reload once or twice before case head separation even when only neck sizing due to generous chambers meant for operating in dirty conditions. I’d argue most .308’s have 1-10 twist. I have 4 .303’s including full wood Lee Metford, No1 MkIII, No4 MkI*, No4 MkI with scope and modern stock….it shoots 1 “ groups. 🇨🇦
@jayjayspoon8824
@jayjayspoon8824 2 жыл бұрын
what is the price of a box of .303 in the US atm does anyone know here in Aus its close to 85$ a box of 20
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
It varies a lot right now. I saw some Sellier and Bellot for $30.00 and PPU for $40.00. All of the more common brands like Winchester and Remington seem to have disappeared and I recently saw a box of Remington 180gr core locks listed for $80.00 but they were out of stock.
@carpenterrick186
@carpenterrick186 2 жыл бұрын
Lots of us still use them up here in 🇨🇦
@keithlucas6260
@keithlucas6260 2 жыл бұрын
A box of .308 is going for $24 bucks for one of my rifles and my son-in-law who just had to have that 6.5 Creedmore is finding out his boxes are $44 bucks. I've got the same boxes of .303 like yours for the same price 25 years ago, and even have custom handloads that old too. When we moved from California to Arizona, using the long barrel rifles wasn't an issue, but moving to East Texas and the dense woods is a different story and I started using my AK-47 for hogs and then most get away with using a .243 for deer.
@TheBeaker59
@TheBeaker59 Жыл бұрын
I make a reduced load 210gr cast lead round for my No4 mk1* a great plinking and medium sized game round and cheap shooting. Reason us commonwealth nations love the 303 is because our fathers and grandfathers generation used little else because when game was plentiful the rifles and ammo were very cheap. Add to that is it was that generations battle rifle and training rifle for cadets etc so I have a few examples as history pieces, in the same way an American collector would have a few garrands M1 carbines etc.
@thomasdroher3890
@thomasdroher3890 Жыл бұрын
Very nice video
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Thomas
@gabewinters496
@gabewinters496 2 жыл бұрын
I wanna know where you live where .303 British is anywhere near readily available, I can’t find it anywhere in person in the whole state of Virginia, gotta buy mine online only
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I'm in South Carolina, but I didn't see any in my local gun shop last time I stopped buy. They went from a few dozen boxes to none overnight.
@peterisaacs1344
@peterisaacs1344 8 ай бұрын
I've always been a big fan of the 3o3 .
@jeffbrideau5534
@jeffbrideau5534 2 жыл бұрын
great video
@poodlefluids
@poodlefluids 11 ай бұрын
Loading properly is important but not really hard to do. It kind of happens automatically with the way the mag sits. But it does suck when you get a rim jam.
@paulvenn4447
@paulvenn4447 Жыл бұрын
The amount of pigs and deer that this calibre has taken in Australia is immense. Still one of the classics.
@clintonlayne9253
@clintonlayne9253 11 ай бұрын
Tom , The 303 British is popular in Maine, Michigan Wisconsin North Dakota Montana Idaho and Oregon. Basically the border states of Canada. I wonder why?
@jc3834
@jc3834 2 жыл бұрын
Love my mk4 no1, as a Yank, gotta give it up to the Brits on this one
@whitespacemarines4308
@whitespacemarines4308 2 жыл бұрын
Ammoseek just went from having only mil surp 303 to having Tons of 303 from S&B and PPU. My local just got a Huge shipment in.
@GetNitin69
@GetNitin69 Жыл бұрын
Just moved back to the mountains within the last year and decided maybe I'll give my sporterized 303 a chance at a deer so i started looking for ammo online. I can't seem to find any 303 british ammo in stock anywhere. Prices also seem to be astronomical for what is listed.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving Жыл бұрын
Tony, if you are in the U.S. try ammo seeker.com. They mostly have full metal jacket surpluss stuff but I did see some PPU in soft points for decent price just a few days ago. If you are in Canada all I can say is good luck. 303 is really tough to find in Canada right now.
@GetNitin69
@GetNitin69 Жыл бұрын
@@TomRiverSimpleLiving I'm in the US. I think i stumbled upon that site last night and all they had was surplus fmj ammo.
@darthbane3166
@darthbane3166 2 жыл бұрын
can not find any 303 here in canada. found 2 boxes 45 dollars a piece. ive switched to 12 guage can kill anything from bird to moose
@jonlucas5521
@jonlucas5521 2 жыл бұрын
I've got two of them...one is moa jacketed, and the other is cast 3". BLC2 and Accurate 2520 are "the" powders for the 303. I do believe the old No 4 mk 1's could be around for a long long time, if the young ones can recognize just how durable they are, should the Lord tarry!
@aronkoppold3981
@aronkoppold3981 Жыл бұрын
The best bet to find a 303 British is the old military surplus rifles and hopefully the barrel is in good shape
@jeffrobinson7394
@jeffrobinson7394 Жыл бұрын
No new rifles in South Africa, but lots of old Lee Enfield here though. There is little options for hand loading either.
@jimmieburleigh9549
@jimmieburleigh9549 2 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah. I'd love to have a traditional pug face rifle with a half decent modern scope mounted on it.
@courtenaycastings4100
@courtenaycastings4100 2 жыл бұрын
I hunt in Canada with a Ruger #1 in 303 British. I began swaging .312” jacketed bullets for my and my friends use a number of years ago. I guess I saw the writing on the wall.
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
I saw an unfired Ruger No1 in 303 British not too long ago. I stopped to think about whether or not a really needed to spend that much on another rifle and when I went back to check on it it was already gone. If I ever see another one there won't be any thinking about it this time?
@courtenaycastings4100
@courtenaycastings4100 2 жыл бұрын
I was lucky to get mine from a collector who had bought it in the one bulk production. I think he got it as an investment, but got disgusted when they continued to produce it for a short time after the bulk order. Ruger then stopped production shortly after he sold it to me. I know that mine has almost doubled in value these past few years.
@bobclifton8021
@bobclifton8021 10 ай бұрын
Does it still do the job? Then it's still just as viable and effective as when it was first introduced.
@tingley428
@tingley428 2 жыл бұрын
In Vancouver area (NOT the city) 303 has gotten very scarce. I had my Dad's old Parker Hale No1 Mk3 tuned up (headspace corrected with refaced bolt head, custom scope mount) and was getting fairly consistent 1 MOA groups with 174 grain Hornaday Vintage Match which is apparently discontinued. May look into reloading 303 in the new year Lucky for me I guess I have a few hundred once fired cases waiting...
@TomRiverSimpleLiving
@TomRiverSimpleLiving 2 жыл бұрын
Good thing you saved that brass! I'm hearing that .303 availability is really hit or miss all over Canada right now. Some places have plenty and others none. Thankfully for me .303 isn't nearly as popular in my area so I haven't had any issues, and like yourself I saved a lot of brass over the years also.
@luckwolfgang
@luckwolfgang 2 жыл бұрын
Here in Canada the ammo is rare and very expensive. I'm trying to get bullets and cases to reload for mine. Not easy. 30 06 is so much easier to get and cheaper.
@megastick9324
@megastick9324 2 жыл бұрын
That’s strange to me because it was , at one time , a surplus round and everyone I knew from up that way had an old 303. I would’ve never guessed it would be that hard to find, unless…politics maybe? We have tons in the states.
@jerroldshelton9367
@jerroldshelton9367 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. I never would have thought that .303 would be hard to come by in Canada!
@courtenaycastings4100
@courtenaycastings4100 2 жыл бұрын
During the last ammo shortage about 10? years ago, I could not find projectiles for the 303. I decided to start swaging my own 303 hunting projectiles. I now make jacketed, .312” bullets in weights varying from 150 to 215 grains. There is no loaded 303 ammo in the stores in Canada. I think we went through stocks in Canada first in Canada due to increased demand. Here, when available, loaded 303 ammo will set you back $40-$80 at the register for a box of 20.
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 2 жыл бұрын
Hogdon's BL-C2 is a great powder for the 303... superior to AR2206 (Varget) IMHO..... Not sure where BLC-2 is made, but I think it's in the USA.... it's a ball powder similar to Winchester products... GIve it a try....
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