In this video, we experiment with both the pressurized and non-pressurized filter baskets of the Gaggia Classic Pro espresso machine. Gaggia promises crema on the first attempt with their "Crema Perfetta" filter basket. Let's test both baskets, and check our results! 0:00 Intro 1:02 The Gaggia Crema Perfetta pressurized filter basket 3:20 Trial 1: Pressurized basket as designed 5:21 Trial 2: Pressurized basket in bottomless portafilter 8:09 Trial 3: Unpressurized basket in bottomless portafilter 11:14 Bonus Extraction 11:49 Summary: Pressurized vs Non-pressurized filters
@skullhaxАй бұрын
You have no idea how useful this video was for me Tom! I bought a used machine off ebay and it only came with the pressurized basket. I couldn't figure out why my shots kepts spraying everywhere...until I realised the seller didn't send me the nozzle!!
@kevinforde1720 Жыл бұрын
Tom, thanks for this video. Just got a Gaggia Classic Pro and already figured out the classic basket gives a better expresso, even with regular pre-ground coffee. Further experimentation awaits…
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Very nice Kevin! Have fun experimenting and going down the rabbit hole!
@SunriseLAW7 ай бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner and you are the Cheshire Cat :)
@AlessandroBoggiano10 ай бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video! I finally trashed the toy DeLonghi Stilosa for this beatiful piece of hardware (and a Simonelli grinder): other planet, other galaxy! :) You forgot the combination non-pressurized basket and "crema perfetta" filter (I did it by mistake): a mess!!! :) All coffee splitted all over the kitchen! One cup full of coffee and the other was empty! IT WAS FUN! 🙂
@noControl556 Жыл бұрын
I started with the De'Longhi $150 amazon machine and a Mr. coffee burr grinder with an "espresso" setting, first shot using the non pressurized wasn't even as strong as drip coffee it went through so fast. Had to basically double my budget to order an actual espresso grinder Eureka Mignon Facile and getting it in a coupe of days. The pressure basket is a must if you don't have a specialty espresso grinder and the espresso isn't much better on the Gaggia Classic than the cheap DeLonghi without being able to use finer grinds and honestly would just go that route if you don't have the budget for a good grinder. From my research about the cheapest grinder I could find that could work was $200 for an electric and about $100 for a hand grinder
@equaleyez Жыл бұрын
I'm still a novice but if there's one thing I've learned it's this: you better have a cheap espresso machine with an expensive grinder than the other way around!
@bwhite661 Жыл бұрын
It's nice to see that you can get decent shots from the pressurized basket. I just switched from a Starbuck's Barista (Saeco) to the Gaggia. I'm using the same Costco beans and grinder and the espresso (used in Lattes) is bitter with the Gaggia and not with the Saeco. I've played with different grind settings from choking the machine to very fast extractions and they all taste bitter. I don't understand why grind size would make such a difference in extraction rates with the pressurized basket. And I don't know why it's bitter coming out of the Gaggia and not with the Saeco. I understand better beans would produce better results, but I'm just trying to understand the difference between the two machine with the exact same beans.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Are you using pressurized baskets with the GCP? I would suggest using the non pressurized, or at least compare both machines using the same type of baskets, if you aren't already. If the shots are still bitter, you might be pulling too long of a shot, or pulling at too hot of temps. Do you flush the GCP first, before pulling a shot? Cheers! Tom
@WholesomeVince Жыл бұрын
Many factors to eliminate with the GCP. IMO, the GCP was really designed to work with preground coffee and the pressurized basket. That's why it works with very high pressure ( up to 15 bars ). So if the coffe isn't ground and distributed well there will be chanelling happening due to the high amount of pressure. I got a 9bar opv spring for my GCP and hope to have some improvement. I don't plan on using the pressurized basket any more.
@Kementiri4 ай бұрын
I am still using the Saeco Via Venezia and upgraded to a bottomless portafilter and wow wow. Of course now you need to dial in your grind properly but once I figured which grind worked the best I got some crazy good shots. Everyone keeps talking about upgrading to the Gaggia but I just don't see the need to.
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
Sehr gut Tom! Memories of Germany!
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Sehr schoen! Viel Spass beim Kaffee machen!
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Danke schoen, ich such den Gott schoss, eines Tages finde ich es.
@georgkettele6911Ай бұрын
how much gram was it on the last attempt 15?
@user-el2xz3ol1d Жыл бұрын
Thank you for shooting this great and very useful video Tom! Which grinder setting did you use for the bonus finer extraction?
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Sure thing! Well, I used somewhere around 0 on my Specialita, but that is going to be different for everyone, depending on the calibration point. See this vid for reference: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/iLKUhLudzbu8aIE.html
@gilinhoo806 ай бұрын
Hi, which one do you prefer, gaggia or dedica?
@enthdegree2 жыл бұрын
Thanks 100000x for this video! Are the pulls with the pressurized filter actually as short as they appear? I just pulled like 60ml in 15 seconds and am wondering if this is normal or if my grounds are too coarse.
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey Christian, 15 seconds is too short. Can you grind a little finer to attain 20-25 seconds? That should be possible, with the pressurized basket, too. Cheers!
@enthdegree2 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Tom, thanks. We had misassembled our grinder, with that fixed double shots are indeed the 20-25s range.
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Happy to hear that! 🙋🏼♂
@denisgabriel5 Жыл бұрын
is there a scenario where i could use a single wall basket without a grinder? i usually get my coffee beans from a roastery where i ask them to grind them for me
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Not easily...they won't know exactly how fine to grind, and once ground the beans lose their freshness real quick.
@salihsuhaozkurt9300 Жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks for qualified video, Im using timemore slim plus hand grinder, have you ever been used this? I wonder which level suit for gaggia classic Pro, thanks.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Hmm, I have only used the Timemore Chestnut Nano. I used that at 8 clicks. Cheers!
@destructoooo6 ай бұрын
You started at grind setting 0, isn't that close to the burrs touching? I'm almost at 0 on my specialita and think it should be finer bc it's still flowing too fast. And your result is closer to a espresso lungo?
@TomsCoffeeCorner5 ай бұрын
Mine doesn't reference at 0 unfortunately.
@destructoooo5 ай бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I think the numbers don't matter that much, as long as you know where the number is when it touches.
@charlie.barret2 жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, great video! I have a question, how many grams did you put into the non pressurized basket?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey Carlos, ah I see I forgot to film that part. I also put 15g in the non-pressurized basket. I could have dosed up a little more too, to make the extraction better, but I wanted to keep the doses the same.
@charlie.barret2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks for answering me. I'd guessed it was also 15 grams but I wanted to confirm. I'm using 18 grams per shot but I read somewhere that this basket it's meant for 14-16 grams, so I'm trying to figure out. Congrats for the video!
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
@@charlie.barret Hey Carlos, yes I would say for me 15-16 grams is idea for this double shot basket, but you can updose as well. It kind of all depends on the freshness of your beans, bean type, and the fineness of your grind. Cheers! Tom
@charlie.barret2 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner I'll give it a try with multiple doses and grind settings and check which suits my taste the most.
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Which grinder are you using?
@johnbooth60852 жыл бұрын
Did i miss the Amazon Link for the bottomless portafilter mentioned at 5:33? Not sure if it' s an aftermarket or a true Gaggia portafilter.
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey John, it is in the description. But here it is as well: Bottomless Portafilter: geni.us/GaggiaBottomlessPF
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
Hi Tom, can I ask? I have no money for a true espresso grinder but I own a Timemore C3 pro manual, and yet it's too 'hit an miss' Should I order freshly roasted ground coffee from roasteries and use it in non-pressurised basket? I have Gaggia Classic and E&B 20g basket. Vielen Dank
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Hey David, it sounds like you have all the tools you need for good espresso. The C3 should be good, and the GCP and E&B, too. Freshly roasted beans make a big difference.
@1967davidfitness Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Thanks, yes freshly roasted makes great crema, doesn't it?
@wog9813 Жыл бұрын
Hi there, any clue or tip what can be wrong please. Brand new GCP, straight out of the box. Coffee is specialty freshly roasted and ground at local roastery as I don't have my grinder on me at the moment. Outcome staggering. From 15g of coffee 52g yeild in 12s, yes that's correct 15g/52g/12s. It's not a flow it's a waterfowl what runs from bottomless basket. There is neither difference nor improvement when pressurised basket is in use. I'd be grateful for any thoughts.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Well, ground coffee loses it's freshness very quickly, and they may have ground too coarse. This is why you need your own grinder. Try the K2 or K4 from Kingrinder to start, as they are really economical.
@wog9813 Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner browsing the Internet spotted such a ridiculous tutorial from Gaggia (can't believe it). Though there are more disappointed comments then anywhere else it seems my GCP is all right. Still no clue how you make it to pull seemingly decent shot from pre-ground tinned illy!! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/oKmebLGbudurfIE.html
@coreyrilliet9022 жыл бұрын
Was the non pressurized bottomless done with an unmodded machine at the 15 bar pressure?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
I actually measured it in a later video to be closer to 12 bars of pressure for the unmodded Gaggia Pro: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qt6HrK9509vZqmQ.html
@zenyang33052 жыл бұрын
Hello, I'm using a sage dose control pro grinder (this is on close to the finest setting) but even using 18g of coffee, i'm pulling 72g of liquid in 25s which is way too much? Is this a machine issue or ?
@zenyang33052 жыл бұрын
One other question is i'm confused as to whether the machine is supposed to pull a single or a double shot?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Well, you should really be aiming for about 36 g in that time. It could be that your beans are very old.
@thohuynh437 Жыл бұрын
Hey Tom, love your videos. I follow your suggestion to upgrade a bottomless portafilter and non-pressurized basket. However, the extract time is now much less comparing to the basket coming with the EC685. I tamper very hard, use wdt, dose more coffee into the basket but does not seem to help. I also got channeling too. 😭😭 I understand that oem basket is not as good as high quality brand. But does not expect it is this bad. Is it me or the basket? 😢
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago. These videos may help: How to extract the perfect espresso: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ps9_acZnnpuzoGw.html How to Get Crema: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpZ-hqpqmZudkWw.html Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a6iXgK6i2p7Ken0.html
@thohuynh437 Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner hmm, interesting. Let me look. I thought bean's freshness only affect crema, but not extraction time. I use double shot 14gr basket with one shot of water and it takes around 10s to finish ... Thanks Tom
@adamstewart247 Жыл бұрын
Do the 9 bar mod on the Gaggia to help fix this
@Raised_by_God Жыл бұрын
To me it would make more sense to use the original porta filter that came with the Gaggia classic pro using pressurized vs non pressurized baskets that also came with the unit. Instead this test included a bottomless filter that I don’t currently have.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
The bottomless is just to show the extraction. Cheers!
@eda7875 Жыл бұрын
The bottomless portafilter makes no difference. You can use the stock portafilter and get the same results
@jeroenmemelink8290 Жыл бұрын
HI Tom, thanks for this video. I have the unmodded machine with a dose pro grinder. Currently, I am using the pressurized basket but the espresso runs way too fast. However, my grind size is very fine. Could the issue be the 15 bar water pressure the machine has?
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Did you say you are using the pressurized filter? If you have a Dose Control Pro, then I would suggest using the non pressurized baskets, and dialing in better. You might need to get fresher beans though. Old beans don't provide much resistance to water flow.
@richardfella8335 Жыл бұрын
Tom I was using some good quality beans which were given as a gift when I brought my machine. I set the ground on the sage dose control and produced great espresso. Since I've purchased espresso beans from the supermarket, using the same double shot commercial basket as before and same grind setting, yet the espresso is nowhere near as good. Is it likely the supermarket beans just aren't as fresh and that makes a difference?
@verinctober2533 Жыл бұрын
@@richardfella8335 you should get beans from a local coffee shop that is tue roast date on it
@chygiles2 жыл бұрын
Hi! What is the link for the non pressurized?
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@AlexeyItaliano2 жыл бұрын
I understand you are using different beans for comparison. Don’t think it’s a fear comparison pressurized vs non.
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Well I see your point, but the experiment is aimed more visually, since that is what I can objectively portray via video. Cheers!
@user-ee9ed2mg1k2 жыл бұрын
Nice!👍
@R-p-k Жыл бұрын
No matter what I try; different grind levels, with or without crema parfetta, different weight when tamping, the machine always rushes coffees through in well under 20 seconds. Either I am utterly useless or the machine is faulty.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Hello there! Yes, your beans are probably too old - or in other words roasted too long ago. These videos may help: How to extract the perfect espresso: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ps9_acZnnpuzoGw.html How to Get Crema: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpZ-hqpqmZudkWw.html Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a6iXgK6i2p7Ken0.html
@yaroslavsaviuk13 Жыл бұрын
With any pressurised and non pressurised buckets, different grind.. got 18g in as 50g out in 8-10 seconds. Can't understand why. Maybe it is simply machine malfunction
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
I think you need to grind finer, or check the roast date on your beans. These videos may help: How to Get Crema: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ZpZ-hqpqmZudkWw.html Why Supermarket Coffee Beans are RUINING your Espresso! kzfaq.info/get/bejne/a6iXgK6i2p7Ken0.html
@damicorob2 жыл бұрын
did you modify the opv when you pulled these shots? or is this the standard 15bar pressure?thanks!
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey Roberto, these were pulled with the original spring, which I measured to be 12 bars: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/qt6HrK9509vZqmQ.html
@damicorob2 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thank you for the quick answer! I just got a Gaggia Classic with a Lelit Fred grinder. I am having hard time getting a decent shot with decent cream, even with pre-pressurized filter, although I don't like it. I tried various grind settings (7-9 grams of coffee) but 1) cream is almost absent 2) the coffee residual in the filter is floaded with water no matter how I grind 3) it tastes like acid 4 if I increase coffee shot (16 gr) the machine barely gives me a drop of coffee. Any advice?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
@@damicorob Hey Roberto, well first of all, each filter is designed for a different dose. The smaller filter should get 7 grams of coffee, and that is the hardest to use. The pressurized one should get 14-16 grams, but with more coarsely ground coffee. Finally, the last basket should get 14-16 grams of finely ground coffee. I would try for 15 grams in the larger unpressurized basket first, and adjust the grind until you get about 30 grams output in 20-25 seconds. That should be possible with the Fred, and I think that should be a good starting point.
@damicorob2 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner, thank you!
@popovvictor41072 жыл бұрын
How fine do you grind your coffe for the presurised ? I know that for the non presurised you need to experiment do get the grind right, but for the presurised is there a standart?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey Victor, well for sure coarser than for the non-pressurized. I would say more like for the Mokka Pot, if you know what I mean. The tolerance is much larger for the pressurized, but I would err on the side of coarse, to not choke your machine and basket. Cheers!
@popovvictor41072 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner thx :) ehat do you mean by coarse ? A number 2?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
@@popovvictor4107 Oh gosh, that all depends on your grinder. For the Specialita, I would go 1-2 numbers coarser. That could be different for other grinders...which one do you have?
@popovvictor41072 жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner i have none :) i will buy one . My problem is this: i asked at my coffe shop to grind for me the coffe that i bought from them , and told them that i need it for a NON presurised basket. When i got home and tried it in the NON-presurised basket, the flow of the coffe is too fast :( in about 10 sec i have 2 oz from 14-16 g. I read online that this means that the cofee is too corse and i need to make it less corse, and the solution i read said that i should use the pressurised basket, so i don t throw the cofe in the garbage. But even in the presurised basket, the flow is fast ! And i just don t understand anymore :(
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
@@popovvictor4107 Well, it is tough if you don't have your own grinder. The coffee shop will not know so well how your setup is. Espresso brewing is really a hobby, because you are often making adjustments. You could maybe use the coffee instead in an AeroPress or pourover. That's what I do. 😉
@eda7875 Жыл бұрын
My pressurized baskets went to the trash as soon as I got the machine. They were never used.
@genpeter2 жыл бұрын
With the same Gaggia and pressurized filter my double shot is ready in 13 seconds. Anyone knows why?
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
What kind of beans are you using, and how fine is the grind, and how many grams?
@vapoureyes Жыл бұрын
Your a cool guy You would make a good hippie 😂
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Ok, so what makes a good hippie?
@vapoureyes Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner if not a hippy , a Guru
@andreyogogo2 жыл бұрын
First like, then look...
@TomsCoffeeCorner2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks Andrey!
@Conservator. Жыл бұрын
I’d recommend to buy a good grinder before buying an espresso machine. Life’s too short for mediocre coffee. 😉
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Haha, well that's true, but then how do you make your coffee? Or do you do drip?
@Conservator. Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner Just use whatever’s left of your budget on an espresso machine. Most beginners aren’t aware that the grinder is more critical than the espressomachine. (Or at least I wasn’t)
@wakeawaken430 Жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that with pressurized you don't have to tamp hard, only a little leveling needed P s. Don't use the pressurized 😂
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
Agreed! Thanks for watching!
@brentwalker85967 ай бұрын
"ingenuitive"? The word is "ingenious".
@philipparendt57876 ай бұрын
Great comment, thanks buddy! Obviously he isn’t an English native, but his English is actually pretty good no?
@MarkMphonoman Жыл бұрын
Crema adds nothing to the flavor of the espresso.
@TomsCoffeeCorner Жыл бұрын
I don't know. It adds texture. I love texture.
@barrytipton1179 Жыл бұрын
@@TomsCoffeeCorner me 2
@danalexandroaie3233 Жыл бұрын
What you do is completely unprofessional. First of all, when you did your first espresso, you didn't use any stainless steel screen over that coffee basket, you didn't do any pre-soak of that coffee in the coffee basket, you didn't do any test regarding the extraction time of the coffee, which shoukd be between 18-22 seconds, you didn't do none of these operations. By the way, do you know when to use pressurized baskets and when non-pressurized baskets???? Please document yourself coz you don’t know basic things regarding the making of an espresso. And i can see that having in view the way you speak about this topic. Like an amateur. Without any basic knowledge. When you did the 2nd espresso, you used pressurized basket on a bottomless portafilter, which is a huge mistake, that's why the maker of that espresso coffee maker advised you not to use pressurized basket on that bottomless portafilter. On that bottomless portafileter ONLY NON-PRESSURIZED BASKETS should be used, and you should keep this in mind. And you use that non-pressurized basket coz it's supposed the espresso coffee maker gets enough pressure to extract the coffee and make a nice espresso. If you intend to make professional presentations of espresso coffee makers. Otherwise, you will only remain an amateur.
@joeyseabaugh67427 ай бұрын
You sound as if you are total a-hole. Enlighten us mere mortals with a proper video