What do you guys think? Disregarding the change in level how do they compare? Also the Capture is available in Tonex now.

I have a bunch of great amps in my home studio and got really excited when the new tone x came out with the ability to capture my own amps. The very first time I tried it was with my own radial reamp box out of my interface and I was modeling my Marshall slp 100 with a 4x12 Marshall cab filled with g12h celestions and a royer 121 mic. I went through the entire capture process and chose the "regular" training time. The end result sounded really good but it sounded like my plexi with a pillow over the speaker cab. I then purchased the tone x box itself and ran through the process again using the tone x box to do the re amping work and the box made it sound a touch better but again it lacked the high end clarity of my actual amp mic'ed up. I then starting experimenting around, ditched the ribbon mics and used an sm57 on my Marshall jcm900 and whammmmm. The final capture sounded absolutely identical to my mic'ed up amp. I mean identical and this was using the normal training time. I found the longest training time to only take 1 hour on my iMac but didnt noticed enough of a difference in the final captures over the 23 minutes the "regular" training time took. The key seems to be using a mic that isn't overly dark in the first place. When using the sm57, the average frequency response seems to allow the capture to process in a way that doesn't allow it to become to boomy or filled with low end. I went back and tried my plexi with the royer 121/sm57 combo and leaned the capture mix of the two mics towards the 57 and whammm, the plexi sounded spot on to my mic'ed up tracks going straight into the interface. I now am truly impressed with the tone x capturing. The very best results are making sure you have good high end on the amp settings itself. Meaning, my plexi, tends to be shrill in the high end if I don't back the treble off while playing but when capturing the amp, be sure to allow plenty of this high end through so it can capture the most honest all around tone for your final capture. Just my 2 cents to help others!

The one video I was waiting for! Awesome review as always!

Nice program overall, that's pretty exciting! great vid ola, killin' it as always!

Love the tone of the rig and how well it was able to capture the tone

Awesome bro! Just got this for my birthday! Haven't started playing much with it yet but it is looking real promising! The tone control, body, and reactivity to this thing is remarkable. Using it alongside Amplitube I image will open entirely new doors!

I think its important to say, that there is a EQ section in the top left corner where you can set up the freqency range for bass, mid and treble. It helps a lot^^ And remember, mesas are really hard to capture. I think the advanced mode will give a bit more sparkle to the tone. On other systems these mode just need 1,5 hours. The Capture got the charackter of the real deal but perhaps a bit tooo much gain =P

Ha! I've been waiting for this since you been born! Thanks!

To me it sounded boxier, darker than the real thing. I would love to hear the 5 hour capture compared to the real amp

It would be interesting to compare the eq profiles of the model vs original sound, and how they differ depending on the training time

it's amazing the fact that +10 years after the kemper release we still comparing the tone cloning capabilities vs. him .I mean,10 years it's a lot in terms of technology advances

I love your honesty. Five effing hours!! TONEX... Potential

So much sound, so little gear. It's hard to lose. There's so many amp sims and multi-effects pedals today that one can question the need of traditional amps and cabinets. The only thing with IK multimedia is that they offer so much you can get option paralysis. Play with purpose. Great video. Thanks.

This is totally game changing. wow!

Being that accurate translating the rig tone I believe it is worth the wait on the processing time. Better to spend some extra time getting the perfect tone before and doing the job just once. Great review btw. Thanks!

impressive ! nice demo

Great vid, you don"t know me but you mentioned my captures up for free on their Tonenet. Some are good some just so so, but I hope it helps people. Just look up ''A Recto'', and I hope to have up a A Champ and A Mesabass and A Hartke soon. BTW I need reading glasses when I type, lol. Great vid bro.

I literally just looked up portable amp capture yesterday and found this. Ola knows the algorithm better than Google.

Thank you for being the first video on KZfaq not to lose their mind about ToneX & overlooking things & couldn’t wait to make headlines to rip on kemper & users for even having one lol. Always appreciate & learn a lot from your videos man! I’m stoked for my ToneX & love my Kemper regardless 🤘

I have no idea what's going on but I love it.

I'm getting this thing, really awesome product

Hey Happy Belated Birthday Ola! Hope it was awesome.

I've been asking for ages about some VST Kemper profile player and I glad competitors picked up the idea that was in the air

Eso es muy chingon!! 💪🏽

Hello Ola! It´s about time you take that beautifull Ibanez Universe behind you for a spin and make a video? Havent seen you played it yet🤘😎 Cheers from Norway🥳

It's finally out!!

Yes after one week of testing and comparing with the kemper, ToneX is clearly better. Love adding some balls to my chugs with the depth knob!!! It’s simply very accurate. Now I hope kemper will release a software to make the same and make better high gain profiles.

I bought Tonex along with the AXE I/O as a pre-order specifically to capture all valve amps I have collected over the years that are pretty much sat in storage now because I don't have the space to keep them accessible. I have been using advanced learning and I find it takes me about 40 minutes for that stage of the process, which seems to be a lot quicker than most people are reporting. I don't have a particularly powerful computer set up, just a 2022 M1 MacBook pro with 4gb ram. Looking at the system metrics it's not massively heavy on either CPU or memory.

Great video.

Hey Ola. I wish you would do a video on the factory tones that chug. Yeah, other videos do that, but we have to sit through all the stuff we don't want to hear. When it comes to "will it chug" ..you are the go-to man. When we click on your "Will It Chug" videos, we know that's all we're going to get, a tutorial demonstration on _...."Will it chug-ug-ug-ug?"_

Ola the capturer. Need to check this Tonex out.

I thought it sounded great for the first release of this idea for the general public, I'm sure they will have big updates in the future. Very neat idea I could picture myself playing around with this thing forever, like I would a new video game becoming a tweak junky and never seeing the outside world ever again.. ..ever ..ever again... ✌

Just before this video downloded a free version ov this vts. So thanks for the great video. Be safe and skilful. Pinge

Thanks was wondering about tonex.

Holy crap, it actualy sounds better, less noise! :)

Thanks for the Preset! It sounds legit!

Speaker membrane, impedance, size; Equalizer on a broad range of bands; Pickup Coil output; Strings alloy. That's all you have to worry about when it comes to the tone. From my experimentation it's more about the eq.

12:20 they sound almost identical, but the OG signal seems to have a more prominent high-end fizz. I actually prefer the sound of it using the IR. Whodda guessed it?

Hey ola I'm watching your tonex video and I just heard the new Lamb Of God song to the Grave I was hoping you could talk more about the album if there's anything worth talking about, love your show and can't wait for your new guitar to come out

Now I wanna hear the 5 hour model

Ola, thanks for insight into this!! Somehow I did skip this software even I use AXE/IO interface with amplitube5. Well, I tried capturing my Carvin Legacy combo with shure SM57. It captured it I would say on 100%. I can't believe that it was that simple! Also I did compute with maximum setting and on old 16cpu (32thr) AMD threadripper system it took ~ 20min to do the full calc. Medium setting took less than 5min to finish just so everyone knows that it can take a bit less than 5 hours. :D I did not try the fast one, but I think it should take less than 2minutes.

It uses GPU processing power to model tones, so you need something like an NVIDIA graphic card. It will shorten dramatically the processing time. Like 40 minutes instead of 5 hours for the advanced mode. Fast mode would only take a minute.

That phasey tone at 8:38 sounds quite interesting, actually :P Hmm... They are indeed quite close. The two most glaring differences I could hear, are that 1) the ToneX model lacks a bit in the high end (the "fizz" area), and 2) its low end also isn't as big as the real thing... plus, to my ears the chugs come out sounding clippy in some sort of way...

The real thing is more alive and just bigger sounding, more bass, more tones!

Tone Models on the right aren't separately paid, if you click on them you just see if you own them in your package SE, regular, or MAX, they are all there.

"Let's just push NEXT!"

I think it's super cool ..

I guess th biggest difference in sound comes from the slight differences in input impedances. The tonex sim sounds a bit flat and dull. But I do think that it is bypassable by accurately setting up all input gain/impedances...

For the true experimenters out there, check out Guitar ML's Proteus capture based on Alex Wright's Automated-GuitarAmpModelling machine learning project. Same idea using AI to learn how to model distortion and compression of Guitar amps and pedals (no time based effects though). Free and open source plugins using Python and the JUCE audio processing framework....but you don't have to be a programmer to play with it.

Morning Ola hope your doing well! Keep chugging!

Awesome

That sounds fucking insane....I can't tell the difference honestly.

Dude no I already have an unhealthy addiction to buying plugins. Im gonna need a sponsor soon.

Of course it sounded good

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eh? The guitar goes in the hole ? Ola you seem frustrated 🥴 and this is a no go for me , I will hold onto my amps and quad cortex

“Ah it hertz” -the correct response to a frequency sweep hitting your ears

Ik Multimedia recommends Nvidia GT Seiries for videocard..I just did adavanced capture and training only took 35 minutes. My system is based on an intel i9-9900 chip with 32 gigs of ram and grapics card is a Nvidia GT1650 .

I think the modeling has greatly improved to catch up with NAM plugin, but not quite sure

TY ola .

Damn i need to learn guitar first hehe . Chug Life Baby !!

It's all fun and games until ToneNet becomes self aware..............

I bought it -- doesn't add the wooly low-mid thing Kemper does (to my ears). I have a fractal FM3, too, but even with that I end up with parametric EQs with all sorts of surgical cuts. At the end of the day, I've noticed I don't have to EQ as much with TONEX; just a low and high pass most of the time and the usual dip at 500-700hz.

The Fast capture has high-mid and high details missing. I'd love to hear the advanced capture.

Well the profile sounded darker, less definition in the lows but was a good copy. I read hear and there that it gives better result by profiling only the amp out , no miking then go with an IR. Thats just for now, its still kinda beta version. Gotta try your profile asap.

They should make an option to go with the fast setting and then letting the advanced setting render overnight.

Laney Cub-Supertop for a Will it chug!

"I'm not gonna wait for 5 hours for a new profile, ya know?" Me remembering taking plane trips just to visit a vintage amp seller.

That is really impressive, I’ve liked IK, although their software has always seemed bloated. But this looks pretty interesting.

the high end difference is bizarre. in both cases you're hearing the mic'ed/recorded sound, ie. the analysis hears the correct high end, but somehow filters it out. I can't think of a good reason for that, and would consider it a bug (unless the machine learning simply can't generate it, but that would seem odd). EDIT. actually I thought of something - it seems the machine learning doesn't model the EQ, but you add a specific type to it afterwards right? if so it could be the added EQ section that is causing the high-freq rolloff. but yeah it would have been great to hear the advanced model, especially as you'd already made one.

Interesting. The capture isn't identical but very close. The real rig has an openness / richness to it that the capture doesn't have.

i really wanna see the demo of NAM

Now that they release the ToneX Pedal, please please, make a proper TubeScreamer-Badlander-MesaOversized4x12 profile.

...close but still far from the mojo of the source. I haven't had luck capturing my Ceriatone Molecular 50W head through a Suhr Reactive Load. I think ToneX has a hard time dealing with direct captures and/or high negative feedback amps (the Molecular has a Girth - neg. feedback - dial & I usually play with it at about 7 on the dial). Hope it improves with time; still happy with my Fractal & Neural plugins.

I used a cheap Berhinger Passive DI Box to capture my amp and it worked just as good as the 300 Canadian box that IK sells!! In fact it worked better than my Active exspensive Radial DI box! I read somewhere that you are supposed to use a Passive Di for better results and it is in fact true!

So now that you have it, can we expect that you will capture some more of your rigs and sell them? Maybe your Marshall or your Engl? Or even some 5150- style amp with an HM2?

This is like social media for Amps.

Hi Ola, please try new Mercuriall Dual Rectofire plugin, it seems like the best rectifier modeler. It would be very interesting to know your opinion

I've been playing through an Eleven Rack for years. Wondering if this would be a good replacement for that. I'm talking about the new ToneX Pedal.

Almost a good a question as 'Will IK ever stop sending me 5 emails a day about this?'

Captures are way quicker if you have an Nvidia GPU (yes it can use the graphics card to process). I'm hoping they add Radeon support or at least let you queue model creation. I've bought it but its too slow with ny current PC, it barely integrates with amplitube and the process of downloading others models via a webpage sucks badly (though the ability to swap the captured cab for at5's IR's is impressive). There's promise but I'm setting it aside for a few patch versions.

way to make us better ir's too

the GE300 has an excellent tone capture process and can capture pedals, amps and guitars.

Looks a lot like the free GuitarML stuff, made user friendly for capture. But I love NeuralPi for being able to use the capture as a plugin for the DAW AND as a PEDAL, with a bit of a AI deepdive. Great stuff nevertheless.

Not all profiles sound great, but some of them sound really freakin good. Definitely better than Overloud's rig player profiles! Love the fact that everyone can make their own profiles and share them. Amplitube has really started to lag behind all other amp sims that are available now, but TONEX makes Amplitube a serious contender again. Btw: it sounds like the captured tone has slightly less gain, but otherwise it's incredibly close. Both Kemper and Neural DSP QC also seems to capture the profiles with slightly less gain so I guess that's something you need to fine tune yourself with all of these profilers.

Hey Ola, could your lapel mic be picking up and adding anything to the live rig demo that isn't coming through on the capture? Just trying to play devil's advocate.

The section where it "refines" the sounds after capturing it (f.ex. the 5hrs), will it send additional test signals to the amp? Or is it like an AI refining the sound in the background?

Just FYI guys, if you have an NVIDIA video card, (more vram the better) it will process even the advanced so much faster. I have a 1060 few with 6gb of VRAM, 16g of RAM, i510k and I can do 'advanced' training processes in a little over 30 min, regular on like 15min. Oh and BTW, it HAS to be NVIDIA, apparently the ai uses Cuda cores.

You need a good GPU to do the advanced models. Can render the full advanced captures on my 30 series NVIDIA card in 20-30 minutes

Sounds great but do we need the 'Capture' machine to capture the tone/ Can we do it with just the Tonex Pedal?

I thought that sounded way different and not good lol. Hearing Ola say that sounds pretty good and accurate is blowing my mind a little bit.

I used ATH-M50X and the differences are quite huge.

Sounds to me like comparing the frequency response of the capture and the original, then eq'ing the capture to match might help. The capture seems to lose low end and some hi end.

Ola you need to find this Paul Steven Cocks fella and tell him you tried his tone..

You should try and get Scott Ian in for an interview!

So if your guitar, mic, and monitors are all plugged into your normal interface, what does the IK hardware contribute to the capture process -- a volume knob?

It's pretty close but it has some weird strange overtone especially up high on the model.

Hey Ola , try this rack gear sometime. Digitech GSP1101 Guitar Modeling Preamp. Brent from Michigan USA Big fan

The ToneX capture sounded just a little bit tighter than the real thing.

if you have an nvidia gpu it will take about 20-30mins in advanced compared to the 5 hours and 2-3 mins for default ....it probably uses cuda acceleration