I can hear Camera Conspiracies in the background saying: "are you serious Panasonic? I'll flip you right now!"

This is another northrup review that makes me understand why I watch less and less northrup reviews.

It's worth pointing out that on sensor phase detect harms image quality, it's what causes shadow banding etc. So if you don't need the super fast AF it's actually better to have the S1R sensor.

I thought you said Micro 4/3 was dead? Why are you recommending a camera with a tiny little sensor from a dead system? I’m confused. I guess I can keep my tiny sensor camera after all.

Hello ; , how did you find the S1R's AutoFocus for sports photos at night, with good lighting? Thank you

UPDATES: The S1R with 4K/60 does pixel binning, not line skipping, with a 1.09x crop. Pixel binning is better than line skipping, though both are worse than a full sensor readout (like what you get at 4k/30). You can choose other aspect ratios for the HLG files. We stand behind everything else in the video.

I think Panasonic hurt your ego by not inviting you! This is easily the harshest review I've seen about any camera, period!

Is something wrong with frame rate in the beginning?

They haven’t sent you one have they Tony

And this guy seriously wonders why he gets criticized for clickbaiting and called out for being biased...

The TRUTH about Tony’s S series video Fact checking 1:32 - pricing - for sure compare but there are tons of advantages the S cameras that would account for the price difference over Nikon/Sony (build quality, viewfinder, stabilization level, high res mode, video) 2:14 - full frame* it’s doing at least what the Sony and Nikon are doing. The additional features that you’re criticizing with your disclaimer aren’t matched by any other full frame cameras yet 2:25 - stabilization - they claim 5.5 in body and 6 with lenses. A minor error but you should get it right if you’re calling your video ‘the TRUTH’ 3:58 - XQD is there more for photographers than videographers. Also pretty sure you’re not buying a V90 UHS-II 256GB for $65. How bout a fair comparison? If you hold manufacturers to a fair apples to apples comparison you should hold yourself to the same standard 4:20 - USB-C - quite a lot of cameras do charge via USB-C but many other cameras can’t be powered while using the camera where the S models can 5:17 - video quality - this maybe true for now but other full frame cameras don’t have the ability to do 422 10bit internal where the S1 does by a paid firmware update. This is the first mirrorless FF camera to allow this. To say it won’t beat the A7iii or Z6 is disingenuous 5:33 - Panasonic has repeatedly said these cameras are focused on photographers more than videographers. Your comment is just wrong. 5:58 - show me one example of Panasonic saying these cameras are good for vloggers? 7:13 - maybe you don’t understand DFD or maybe you’re being deliberately deceptive, DFD DOES know which direction to move and how far. I’m not saying in video it performs well, just that your comments aren’t accurate. My experience with stills and DFD tracking has been that it’s very good. 7:52 - the G9 performs well for stills shooting AFC. S series may be better or worse but clearly you don’t know yet. 13:23 - if you accept the camera has 47.3MP native resolution than you also need to accept the 187MP claim. Otherwise you should be calling every camera out for only having 1/3 of the claimed resolution. 14:31 - EM1X - wrong, it has a 20MP sensor, not 24. Your comment about smaller file only applies to the handheld high res mode which is 50MP. Olympus still offer the same claimed 80MP tripod high res mode (that they had previously) so the claim about them realizing they don’t need the bigger file is just false Tony. Did they really say that to you? If so, they lied. 15:26 - not at all useful for landscapes? There are plenty of photographers with Pentax’s, Olympus’s and G9’s who’d disagree with you. Not all landscapes have moving elements. 18:11 - Nikon and Sony have a 30 minute time limit and don’t offer 4K60p at all. At least the S1 does unlimited in 4K30p. It is still leading in this area against the competition and your comments make it sound like it’s not better than other models. 18:24 - the info I’ve seen says the S1R in 4K 60p is doing a 1:1 pixel readout, hence the 1.1x crop. 20:37 - they’re in 16:9 because they can only be played back on TVs (which are all 16:9). Any HLG compatible TV will work apparently (not just Panasonic) 22:53 - yeah but it’s a piece of shit 23:49 - are you not up to speed on Sigma? They’ve announced an official EF-L adapter. Plus all their art lenses and new designed lenses for L mount, adapter should be within a couple of months and 10 lenses this year. 27:15 - you’re just wrongly assuming this camera is targeted as a full frame GH5. It’s not, it’s a stills camera first.

I like your review, you gave me some insight in all the things that are missing or are just not correct in the marketing material of this camera but I still like it ^^ I was lucky with the lenses as I got a Leica 24 - 90 f2.8 (fairly cheep). I really enjoy using it. Are you gone try this camera and give us a review ?

The truth is, I'm a Tony and Chelsea fan. Been watching their reviews and instructional videos for years. I own all of their books and they're outstanding. I highly recommend them. But man, his latest camera reviews??? Sheeeeew! The Z6 & Z7 were so negative they actually pissed me off. I dunno what's going on lately... and I'm not alone in my confusion. I am one of many. Oh well, God Bless the Northrups anyway. I'm convinced that they are truly good people with the best of intentions.

Interesting, there are several excellent Leica L mount options including a Summilux 35 and 50mm f1.4. And Panasonic makes a 50mm f1.4. Did you forget the L mount alliance?

It's not correct, Tony, to say that there is no fast lenses currently out there to check its autofocus capabilities. The Lumix S Pro f1.4 50mm that you mention later is in use by some reviewers, including DP Review - check out their sample gallery.

I'm really excited to try this camera. Specs are specs and I'm still using a GH4 and GH5 for stills and video these days even though I think the raw stills from the GH5 fall really short. I never upgraded my 7D and I've been patiently waiting for Canon to deliver a good hybrid camera. I think if the video runs similarly to the GH5 but gives me decent stills I'll be more than happy. I manually focus video 90% of the time, I'm not too stressed about the focusing system, tbh.

At first you thought Canon eos r was not worth it, then you made a couple of videos claiming the opposite.Then you announce Fuji xt3 camera of the year without making a review or even adequately explaining why. Now you seem to rush making a video which explains why we should not get excited with the announcement of Panasonic s1 - again without even making a proper review. What's going on guys? By the way , used to be big fun of you Tony - are you still objective?!

Hi Tony, I am not worried about the size or price of the body or lenses. My only gripe with the new Pany FF MILC is, it doesn't support the all-I intra and for that matter their max supported bit-rate is 150Mbps, that will be only available when you will buy an add-on V-Log, otherwise it's even more limited. I was expecting better from Pany! I am actually happy with 1.5X crop in 4k60p mode too as well, considering in slow-mo videos, most of the time I am trying to focus, so in those scenerios shooting in super35 mode and getting a little bit closer to the subject actually may help. It's just the bitrates. Do you think using Atomos Ninja V on this bad boy we can get all-i-intra?

Always love getting an unbiased review from you, Tony. But how about the good points?

Talks about the CAF is slow and hunts yet the footogae he show us is perfectly fine.😂👍

So if highrez mode is really only doubling the pixel count by filling in the missing rgb data for each photocell as it shifts, can we assume that all camera sensors are only 1/2 their stated pixel count? Or would it be 1/4 since red and blue are 25% each?

The S1 will support VLog NOT VLog -L-- meaning 14 Stops DR?

What mic are you using? Typically those designs have a side mounted diaphragm...

The Gh5 suggestion at the end of the video was so thoughtful. Thank you for the practical advise!

Tony do you think the 187MP mode on the S1R is realistic? Can even high quality Leica glass transmit that kind of quality?

Some nuances. 0) Panasonic FF will with the Sigma art line have exceptional lenses available. 1) panasonic always start with a steep price for early adapters. gh5 went down 500 euro in price in half a year (in the netherlands). 2) 422 10 bit internally, no need for a external recorder is huge for profesional videographers! 3) Panasonic has more experience with high end mirrorless, then canon and nikon, so less likely hood of unexpected fails due to engineering problems. 4) No banding, for contrast detection autofocus only. 5) High ress may not be usefull all the time, but i can say the same about flash, not every picture needs flash, or an ND, or focus stacking, or color filters, but it's nice to have. A good photographer has a bag off tricks available, other wise just use your phone. 6) S1R is not as much for video as the s1, just like every other high ress camera. Yess the S1 crops with 60 fps, but it has 60 fps. Yess i agree they should make clear that there is a crop, but if you want to it;s there no other manufacturer has it.

Nice video as always but what's with that frame rate?

Since S1R can shoot 6k I would like to ask: if I shoot video /picture without zooming with 6k and crop later, is the quality same as those non-6k shoot with zoom in 100mm or 200mm?

*Will Panasonic make one camera that works both Panasonic S1 & S1R for shooting photos and videos?*

Can you do a video about the automatic settings in variable frame rate mode on the S1? I purchased this camera and I'm more or less happy with it as a video shooter however this is infuriating and there is no information about why the camera does this or if they plan to enable manual exposure in this mode. I love the 180 frames per second but already the auto settings have ruined many shots for me.

The premise from most youtube reviewers - it must be a fantastic vlogging camera as everyone is vlogging - must have a articulated screen - must be an awesome video camera with 60p Full Frame no cropping - must have an awesome video AFC tracking - I wonder if the manufacturers know how their sales are - like Sony - their top seller the A6000 - no articulated LCD and no Mic out and no 4k - ??? are all vlogging -

16:48 I have a studio on the 19th floor and I have experienced that first hand. Steady tripod, remote controlled shutter release, disabled image stabilization, and electronic shutter were used, and I still get 1-2 pixels misaligned.

Thanks for the thoughtful commentary. The frame rate appears to be weird on your video tho, it looks like it's running at 6fps.

Tony, do us all a favor... Take another poll of your viewers, asking them if they need/use a flip-out screen. Ask if they are vloggers; if they're not, ask what they use it for. I'll go first... I shoot landscapes, portraits, and street. Don't need it; wouldn't use it if I had it.

Claims M4/3 is dead. Advises everyone to buy a GH5.

Love your work Tony. Another great video. Say hi to everyone.

Much as I respect your opinion, this can't be a real review unless you have the camera. Lok had it ,tested it and seems impressed

Thank you! Enjoy your stuff even when I'm not so interested in the subject matter. Have a great weekend!

Is an f4 lens not good enough? Do we really need a 10 inch depth of field in most situations?

So Sony a7sIII acording to rumors will have intergrated memore on the sensor so 4k 60fps is possible in full frame mode. Also what I was wondering about is that when you enable crop mode on a7sIII 4k 120fps would be possible and insane at the same time :D

Regarding the sensor shift and lack of lenses which could cope with the super high files. I think from my experience the Leica SL glass would be more than sharp enough for it..

The Olympus EM1X does have 80MP high res mode on a tripod and 50MP handheld. From what I've seen I'm happy with getting the GH5, but Tony why are you recommending a "dead" sensor size camera!?!!

Are you going to make a video about nikon d3500?

I think it is fine to have an opinion initially based on the specs and other people’s experiences until u can get your hands on review. I’m currently a Sony A73 and Panasonic G9 user and have used both system for a period of time. Obviously using the G9 for its ultra supertelephoto lens for its reach and A73 for its superior image quality. I have to say with just contrast detect af, G9 autofocus is at least just as good as the A73 if not better especially now that with the latest firmware update. Depth of Defocus seems to be making a lot of progress and I think u both should at least make an effort reviewing this development before calling it dead since your words carry a lot of weight and we all trust your opinions and being unbiased.

Is this video sponsored by Sony? 😗

Couldn't you use the fast primes Leica made for their SL camera to test autofocus? It uses the same mount.

Tony I've shot the 100MP Phase One on multiple occasions (only rent it for the most critical work) and while I'm mostly on sticks when shooting it, I have shot it handheld with no problem and the images were tack sharp. Granted it's a massive camera that's extremely heavy which helps with holding it steady.

Tony a few things to clear up to make the comparisons fair, equally fast SD cards are as expensive as XQD, and XQD offers potential expansion to C-FastExpress at 1000MB/s. XQD is/will actually be cheaper for the faster equivalent cards required for 6K and 8K video. The screen is designed to allow proper access to the inputs, the old flip forward screen wouldn't work with HDMI, audio and USB in it. As for AF, you can't have the eye autofocus/human AF along with PDAF, it's physically impossible. In video, the AF it's still not perfect that's true, but for stills it's very, very good and can track people even from the back, automatically. As for the high resolution, you're comparing apples and oranges, it's 187mp when measured in the exact same way as any other bayer sensor, no one measures mp in 'full colour'. When dealing with movement in HR mode, there's a blur processing mode that allows both handheld shooting and also fixing motion blur artefacts, I've shot plenty of landscapes with high resolution with no issues whatsoever, even moving water. As for the 50mm f1.4, it's performance is up there with OTUS, which is pretty much double the cost and lacks the AF. I think once you really get to play with the camera, you'll realise it doesn't compare to the EOS R or the Z6, it's a real beast, and really is the best stills mirrorless camera I've had the fortune to use

so almost ALL cons are for people shooting video,right? For PHOTOGRAPHERS it is a very compelling choice, IMHO

Superb! Luv your honesty! Very helpful!

Click bait... I was hoping I can watch your review and "truth" about that camera but You don't have it ... sorry not this time..

Does it have those horrible noise lines in vfr in dark areas, like the gh5s

What up with the Northrups and the Lumix S cameras? I think someone was dissed (wasn't panasonic)

how did you shoot the video review? at 5 fps? it's really annoying...

I got to play with this ( the S1R) today and see some images also. I found it to be user friendly. The EVF is great! The grip is great! I need to rent one and shoot some birds and sports before I decide.

Easy to crap all over a camera you've never used. I look forward to watching the real reviews of these cameras.

Interesting. I can see a more transparent border between Manufacturers and Consumers evolving as a result of this input. There could be a paradigm shift at the communication level . Cheers Tony and Chelsea (not necessarily in that order), I like the insights.

I found my sony also misses some focus with the boxes but the eye box seems to be quite accurate.

I've got a Panasonic G9, Metabones 0.71x, dumb adapter, Sigma 18-35 1.8, and Sigma 50-100 1.8. At the end of this video you were making me feel pretty good about my current setup. lol I applaud Panasonic for what they're trying to do with their new full frame cameras, but like Nikon and Canon's new systems, they've got some work to do. I'm not in any rush to upgrade to full frame just yet so I'll just wait out how everything develops over the next year or so.

Tony Northrup "I like a big body" Chelsea swings her head around and screams "WHAT?!?!"

While the manufactures may have over-hype the camera, this camera is SOLID. "All things being even," I would take this over the equivalent Canon and Nikon.

That is weird, the high resolution mode in the panasonic cams do slightly correct motion like grass in the wind or something similar which sony, fuji and others dont. I can use it just fine with any landscape i shot.

What FPS are you using? 20fps? The video is choppy like hell

Having trouble with leaf movement for high res landscape? Just use a heavy tripod for each leaf in the landscape. Do I have to think of everything?!

I had the opportunity to attend the Launch of this S1 Camera. A great event it was, we had a Model to shoot at and lots of lenses. My impression was that Yes it creates amazing images.. however the camera Did miss focus of the model more times than my Fuji XT1.. (only 2 times I had to refocus with the Fuji). when I pointed it out the the technical assistance they said that I did not use the Auto Focus correctly! Lucky a few more said the same. Also the 50mm was Softer that a Nikon D850 50F1.8 .. hope they iron out these inconsistencies before production.

Small detail correction, Tony: I think you said it offers 5 stops IBIS and that upping to 5.5 stops with lens stabilization. I believe that they claim 5.5 stops IBIS and ups to 6 stops with lens stabilization.

Funny thing is, with the GH5 recommendation, isn't it Tony said that Micro Four Thirds is dead? Or am I missing something....

Did you guys shoot this in 8 FPS?

What's the point of having a top LCD in a mirrorless Camera when the information is available on the EVF or the rear LCD

Tony, I really enjoy your reviews. I need to point out one issue that has slapped me full in the face after I purchased a Panasonic GH5 matched with your suggested Sigma EF mount 18-35 f/1.8 and 50-100 f/1.8 Art lenses and Metabones EF to MFT Speed Booster XL. First thing I noticed was that all of my images had a very notable vignette and I freaked out. After removing lens hoods and filter attachments, the vignette (on both lenses) still persisted. After a bit of research on Metabones website I discovered that they quite clearly state that the 0.64x XL speed booster is NOT compatible with APS-C formatted lenses and MFT sensors. They instead recommend the 0.71x ULTRA speed boosters for these lenses to accommodate the smaller sensor size and different flange distance. You may wish to update your information on this matter before other followers of your channel go out and make the same mistake that I did.

(25:40) Good point, Tony. This is something a lot of people miss often.

I agree on most points, with a big exception: the pixel shift. It is too long to explain, but if you accept that a 20mpix camera has 20 mpix (and ignore the fact that the info is actually less due to the math needed to comb over the bayer array) then their high res is of as many mpix as they say. so they follow the industry. asking them to do otherwise is akin to asking every manufacturer to say they have 5mpx instead of 20 (not exactly but you get the point) so it is not more misleading than the always present mpix count. I also disagree with the generalisation about the usability of the mode, but it is a fair point because it is your experience. Just remember others may have a different one.

Thank you sir for this extensive informations. As I said it since 1 year I am very happy to finally being able to buy a mirrorless in a DSLR form factor. I expected Sony to do so via their A-mount line but sadly Sony didn't pull the trigger despite its advances. That will be my pleasure to buy into the new L-mount system big times. I will just wait for this 16-35/4

RawTherapee fixes motion artifacts in Pixelshift files from K-1/K-1II, I'd imagine they'll support Panasonic in future too. I still don't use pixelshift all that much, I like RawTherapee but not enough to switch to it fully.

As always, thanks for the thoughts, good humor and clean speech, -S- Tony, but we will wait for a hand-on review;)

which 256Gb SD card costs $65 Tony?? Certainly not a UHS-II card..

I'd have rather you had waited until you could test the camera for a time before pointing out all its "flaws". The lens line up does include a 50 mm f1.4, which seems fast enough to me. It is, however, hugely expensive, so I would want it to be nudging Leica and Otus levels of performance. For my type of photography, which doesn't include filming myself, taking selfies, or shooting people running erratically towards me, it looks very interesting indeed. The high megapixel facility will be great for still life. I love the feature on my Pentax K-1. At the end of the day, all cameras are compromises, so you buy what does the job for you. Whether I buy one or not will depend on some in-depth, real world reviews, not just lists of specifications, which by themselves do not tell the whole story. Oh.. and yay for no flip out screen!!!

Gonna use it at 4K/30P in MF with the kit zoom and Nikon F fast primes (I believe there'll be a decent mount adapter by the release date), keeping my GH5 for the reason you stated. I guess Panasonic will release the SH1(s) in the near future, and that will be a truly killer video cam.

Oh brother .. the g9 with the latest firmware has fine auto focus ... phase detect is not an end all be all.

One final comment: You claim that the high res mode delivers an effective 94.6 Mp *with full color*, rather than 187 Mp. I think in an important sense you are right, but I also think you really should compare apples with apples rather than with oranges. For one thing, this is not the same as what a 94.6 Mp bayer sensor would or could deliver (and I know you know this), because of pixel density and consequent differences in noise levels you can get from pixel-shifted stacking. Secondly, you're totally correct about megapixels not being what matters. The reason for that, I would suggest, is that what matters is the amount of information captured in the image. A 94.6 Mp bayer sensor captures a lot less information than is captured in a 94.6 Mp *full color* image, right? I might be missing something, but why then can one not at least argue that the resulting image is *equivalent to* a 187 Mp image *from an otherwise similar bayer sensor*, thereby comparing like with like? I agree that presenting the image as 94.6 Mp full color is better. As with the Pentax K-1's 4-image pixel shift, the image file is larger, contains more information, and consequently can deliver much better IQ, but with resolution unchanged.

I honesty don't understand Tony's aversion to the G9. It's like the 13th floor. The G9 is a much better hybrid to recommend as an alternative to the S1 hybrid. It's way better than the G5 as an all-rounder. Boy oh boy. Sighs...

Dat framerate tho

Sigma lenses adapt to this camera and do not lose AF. It focuses well. ...so there are fast lenses that are available to use with this. I found the focus to be accurate as well.

why is the video footage glitching, or sort've jumpy ?

The Panasonic S1R started with 3499€ in germany and pretty much since Winter 2020 you can get it for 2449€ (Even now. It dropped 250€ in price and there is 800€ Cash-Back (instant cashback, which means the price is reduced in the shopping cart, you don't even have to fill out anything whatsoever) still going on). So for that price, its pretty much a no brainer. Lots of native L-Mount Glass is there and with the MC-21 you can adopt pretty much all older SIGMA Lenses (or even non SIGMA-Lenses). I know this review is a year old, but back in 2016 the SIGMA sd Quattro H was released. Its a Mirrorless camera and it does have 51 Megapixels. Its not Fullframe (which actually makes it more impressive), but until the a7R IV that was the highest non-medium format dslm and also had higher megapixel account than all dslrs

frame rate ? or rate the frame ?

what truth in this Tony? it's all speculation on your part since you haven't tested it yourself. Clickbait.

On a sort of related note to this video, with so many manufacturers moving towards the 35mm sensor of old, I do wonder whether companies like hasselblad and fuji have a leg up as they are already developing larger sensored cameras and fuji is incorporating tech from the x series in. Might not be truly medium format (it's smaller than 6x4.5 which is already a small format) but it's still a good chunk bigger than the current 35mm and fuji is starting to make it somewhat more affordable. Exciting times to be into digital photography for sure - I can imagine a few years from now fuji releasing a 50mp medium format camera with phase detect af for the price of an a7riii or similar - although big lenses will cost a lot, there is a trend towards stupidly-fast glass which is already huge and expensive.

Ihan peilikameran kokoinen :) Varsin mielenkiintoinen ja hyvä pikaesittely, kiitos siitä.

I wonder if camera manufacturers will ever adopt display port as a video out port, it has so much more bandwidth than any equivalent generation HDMI and it has a locking mechanism so it wouldn't easily come loose. You might think we dont need that much bandwidth but for instance, the GH5 cant send out 60fps 5k open gate footage to a recorder because it exceeds the limitations of the HDMI 2.0 specs

What you described for high-res is true for any other single shot modes. A 24Mpx does have actually only 6Mpx of true rgb color. The reste is extrapolation.

Is it good for wildlife

Is there something wrong with the frame rate of this video?

great review thank you

For your hi resolution claim of 187mp being too high... yes it's true in most cases. But just like on the Lumix G9 you will be able to choose less resolution. The G9 shoots up to 80mp, but I prefer to use the 40mp mode because it's a lot quicker, and I'm pretty sure it only take 4 shots, which also means less chance for weird artifacts due to movement.

Have you not been invited? Have you used the camera? Come on, that’s too much Tony. I have a note of 8 uncomplete truths/lies that you said but I don’t want to list them. What happened to you? Why this harshness? Love your channel and as you said in a recent video, honest view is your faith. Where has it gone? Very disappointing from you.

Tony, good video, but you're making some complaints without having used the camera, which is unfair. Certain things we can tell from the specs, but not everything. When you complain about them "Drawing Boxes" but pictures aren't necessarily in focus - certainly that's possible, but you need to test that features out before you complain about. I believe people (Max Yuryev) were saying the opposite about the A6400 - where the boxes seemed slow, almost as if it can't keep up, but the actual pictures looked great and in focus on a computer. Similarly when you talk about image stacking; how perfectly still everything has to be and it's a useless marketing feature. Well, let's see.. my cell phone has image stacking and that works well even while hand-holding. I'm not saying Panasonic will achieve the same feat, but we need to test before we have these gripes. I'm not expecting this camera to win any awards first time out, but we need to give it a fair chance and try to review it without bias. Anyway, love the channel, keep up the good work. Like many viewers, I appreciate the criticism, but _after_ testing.

As a medium format film landscape photographer this camera exactly what I’m looking for. My issue is purely price, they should have priced it lower than all the competitors to get the l Mount in peoples hands.

I love how Tony reverts to his FM radio voice when he's reading the manufacture claims. It's sarcastic, but in a nice way.

I'll come back when you have actually used it.