Toolroom Prototype Smith & Wesson No.3 Revolver

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Good inventors are always trying out new solutions to problems. Those solutions may or may not work (hence Thomas Edison’s 10,000 ways not to make a light bulb), but the attempts can often give us interesting insight into the designer’s intentions. In this case, we have a toolroom S&W No3 revolver with a different method of opening in which the action is fits rotated to the side, and then the barrel tipped forward. It is based on US Patent #136348, granted to Daniel Wesson in February of 1873, and in the patent he describes his intention to solve several theoretical shortcomings of the No3 design, both in handling and manufacture.
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@benfurriel4519 3 жыл бұрын

"this pistol attempts to solve a specific problem, it might interest you Mr. Wick." intones Ian. Later, after having dispatched 9 bad guys "reloading is a bit tedious" says Wick, "what else do you have available today?"

@StacheMan26 3 жыл бұрын

At the point of this thing they might as well have just ditched the top break altogether, let the pin rotate out to 90-ish degrees, and just extend the extractor rod out the front so it could be actuated manually. Its kind of amazing how close this is to inventing the swing out cylinder (and barrel) before the swing out cylinder.

@seculartapes 3 жыл бұрын

Top break S&Ws are beautiful, especially the double action ones.

@recoilrob324 3 жыл бұрын

Yes...agree! I'm lucky to own one of the old Navy Arms reproduction Schofield's (with faux ivory grips) and it's one of the prettiest revolvers ever made without doubt.

@TheBigSomec 3 жыл бұрын

I just wish that Russian top break 357 magnum the mp-412 I think, had both made it to production and made its way to the states.

@j.yossarian6852 3 жыл бұрын

@@TheBigSomec the REX? Oh my god if only.

@yourmom4784 3 жыл бұрын

I've always found the peacemaker far more aesthetic for whatever reason.

@Mirokuofnite 3 жыл бұрын

I love my Uberti Schofield. Would like to have a Webley in a reasonable caliber, or that Russian Rex.

@michaelathens953 3 жыл бұрын

Talk about coming at a problem sideways... Yeah I might still be a little drunk from last night.

@RalphReagan 3 жыл бұрын

As was the designer

@TheWolfsnack 3 жыл бұрын

Nice....all I have left is a slight headache....

@marcusgault9909 3 жыл бұрын

@@RalphReagan BINGO!

@thatguyyouknow1512 3 жыл бұрын

I think it'd be cool if he did a "development" video for the S&W no. revolvers like he did for the Colt 1911 a few years ago.

@bradleyrideout7818 3 жыл бұрын

that would be pretty interesting one. love those old tip-ups

@ILikeToLaughAtYou 3 жыл бұрын

I’ve been wanting that for a while. I love the Model 10’s. Would be cool to see the development of the M&P series revolvers.

@christianobrian475 3 жыл бұрын

I agree to a tee.. 👍👌

@bryanstellfox8521 3 жыл бұрын

The only issue is that he uses auction firearms for these videos. The firearms you're talking about were part of a collection being auctioned that month.

@Snubrevolver 3 жыл бұрын

@@ILikeToLaughAtYou This x100. The Model 10 is the GOAT

@Pcm979 3 жыл бұрын

An interesting halfway point between break-open and swing-out cylinders.

@55vma 3 жыл бұрын

My sentiments exactly 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺

@AlaskanBallistics 3 жыл бұрын

True

@korisosuke2154 3 жыл бұрын

"The high point of any particular collection" has a new meaning nowadays

@remcovanvliet3018 3 жыл бұрын

I don't know of any collectors that would actually own up to owning a hi-point... Do you?

@korisosuke2154 3 жыл бұрын

No, probably not

@lovecraftcat 3 жыл бұрын

Improvised bludgeon collectors would

@jeffm68 3 жыл бұрын

The "over-up-down-over" you're talking about is called compound articulation, and it is something to be avoided in mechanical design. You only use it when you have no other choice to make a desired system work. From an engineering perspective, this is a step backward from the first design.

@sbreheny 3 жыл бұрын

This also seems to prevent the use of a speedloader

@Mrcaffinebean 3 жыл бұрын

One less spring though so some improvement there. Plus that action looks really cool right? But yeah overall not an improvement

@Seth9809 3 жыл бұрын

When I looked that up, I got stuff about language.

@medes5597 3 жыл бұрын

@@Seth9809 yeah as a linguist, I'm only aware of "compound articulation" being a term in articulatory phonetics. Google suggests that's the main use of the term.

@darksu6947 3 жыл бұрын

It means it moves in more than one direction.

@jackmcslay 3 жыл бұрын

I can easily see this gun being damaged because of improperly closing it, the ratchets and the closing catch would be very dent prone with this design when you close it straight instead of by the side

@Psiberzerker 3 жыл бұрын

A complex solution to a simple problem. Instead of holding down a ratchet latch, you have to twist, and then break the revolver? Worth a shot, I guess.

@hyperfocal2002 3 жыл бұрын

I've got a Model 1, and it's amazing how far S&W advanced between that relatively crude little .22 short, where you had to remove the cylinder and manually eject cases on a rod under the barrel, and the Model 3, which would still be relevant in some ways today.

@itsapittie 3 жыл бұрын

I have a reproduction of the Smith and Wesson Russian army revolver and although it's definitely obsolescent, it wouldn't be completely out of the fight in a self-defense situation. In some ways, firearm technology hasn't advanced a lot in the past 100 years, particularly in comparison to the 100 years before that.

@michaelholloway8 3 жыл бұрын

You, my friend, are a constant joy. Yesterday I watched, or re watched, the segments you did on the Steyr Hahn some years go. Then this morning I'm watching a clip from Peaky Blinders, and there sits Alphie, Tom Hardy, being his Alphiest, a 1812 Steyr Hahn hanging comfortably in his hand. I like those Oh!-Hey! moments. Sets you up for the day. Well, that and coffee.

@michaelholloway8 3 жыл бұрын

The If This Is Hell, It Looks A Lot Like Matgate scene.

@PitFriend1 3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t it have just been easier to keep the regular top break method and just make the extractor a manual push rod? So you could push it and eject all the cartridges or not and load them singly if desired?

@iainsmith6643 3 жыл бұрын

Far too simple

@richardtaylor1652 3 жыл бұрын

This looks German... unnesersarily complicated.

@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive 3 жыл бұрын

Richard Taylor I was thinking French: non-sequitur.

@richardtaylor1652 3 жыл бұрын

@@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive If it were a French revolver then I would expect it to be elegant, simple but whimpy.

@trigonome777 3 жыл бұрын

In that you are right, but I suppose that at that time there were lovers of complex mechanisms.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

That's a little weird. I do want a pair of Schofields, though.

@whitecoffee8090 3 жыл бұрын

You've enjoyed 3:10 to Yuma, didn't you?😉

@ihatecorporatedatacollecti6609 3 жыл бұрын

Oh man, I’m not the only one lol.

@zacharyrollick6169 3 жыл бұрын

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine I'd buy that. Basically a modernized Webley.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

@@whitecoffee8090 would you believe I haven't seen that movie? I just want the Schofields because the Single Action Army is painfully slow to reload.

@whitecoffee8090 3 жыл бұрын

@@ScottKenny1978 then you ought to. It's quite good.

@chstra45 3 жыл бұрын

5:57 when reloading is like the Contra cheat code, you know it's time to go back to the drawing board.

@VonRammsteyn 3 жыл бұрын

Look! The answer to the problem nobody ever had!

@ironwolfF1 3 жыл бұрын

Sadly, there's a whole lotta 'solutions' like that running loose in the world.

@Stevarooni 3 жыл бұрын

That's what raw experimentation looks like. That's how improvements occur...lots of ideas, and you sift out the crap ones ..or the ones that are too expensive to retain.

@AsbestosMuffins 3 жыл бұрын

seems like he was trying to work around black powder fouling but then smokeless came around

@Enfield2A 3 жыл бұрын

@@Stevarooni And perhaps learn tooling and production concepts yet undiscovered.

@Sam-iw6te 3 жыл бұрын

I had to rewind when you first opened it. I'm so used to the No. 3 model that it looked like you just bent it. He hid the mechanism so well. Definitely interesting but I'd definitely never choose this over the standard gun lol

@ihatecorporatedatacollecti6609 3 жыл бұрын

Not for carry anyway due to added complexity, but the pivot looks neat.

@geekmansegraves 3 жыл бұрын

It really is a smooth motion. Well designed, but perhaps not well thought out.

@Da_Shark 3 жыл бұрын

Actually it WAS a normal no.3 until gun Jesus decided that was far to simple

@Sam-iw6te 3 жыл бұрын

@@Da_Shark lolol

@trigonome777 3 жыл бұрын

I would love that some day some brand revive the Top break system but with modern cartridges, there is something very cool in this system, besides these classic s&w revolvers are beautiful and one of my favorites.

@nmarbletoe8210 3 жыл бұрын

yes. top break with modern steel would be plenty strong. the old H and R top breaks are awesome. i just got a schofield bb gun :)

@hdavidritscher3774 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I just learned something new about my S&W Frontier. There is a little button on the bottom of the gun that allows the extractor to not remove the bullets from the cylinder.

@ShmoofWB 3 жыл бұрын

What a pleasant surprise to see this pop up this morning. I have a S&W Schofield that was made in the year 2000 that I love dearly. It's always great to hear about these great pieces of history.

@Corrupted355 3 жыл бұрын

I never knew that little protrusion at the bottom of the hinge on my H&R Sportsman was actually a functional "do not eject" switch. Neat!

@Deathbatkidd 3 жыл бұрын

I’m so happy you made a video of this revolver! It’s my favorite from games and movies

@oldesertguy9616 3 жыл бұрын

It's awesome to be able to hold something that Daniel Wesson himself once held.

@enricopaolocoronado2511 3 жыл бұрын

So a swing out but rather than just the cylinder, it's the entire front half of the gun. NGL, that would fit well in something like Hunt: Showdown or in other alt-history settings.

@ScottKenny1978 3 жыл бұрын

@@therake8897 which is funny, because S&W had the patent on the top break to begin with...

@peppermillers8361 3 жыл бұрын

@Yggdrasil Burnes it's pretty satisfying, though

@blackhornedmountainchicken3720 3 жыл бұрын

Hell Ya caught this 4 minutes after upload. Keep em coming Ian I have learned so much thanks to your videos over the past few days years; you are truly doing noble work good sir!

@tangero3462 3 жыл бұрын

When I first saw this in the catalog I thought his justification was to make a more repeatable lockup that was more resistant to stretching at the end of the top strap and recoil shield. Turns out he was just chasing a non-issue

@overodog 3 жыл бұрын

I always learn something new when I watch your vids. Thanks!

@paulmanson253 3 жыл бұрын

The blueing, the finish on that old girl is just outstanding. I suppose they all looked like that when new. Wow.

@rucker69 3 жыл бұрын

I absolutely love these concept ideas. I think I'd have wanted the second iteration more than the first, but that ultimately is a matter of preference and shooting style.

@pechenegxvii6850 3 жыл бұрын

Finally was waiting for this one

@1994Bloodline 3 жыл бұрын

That video was awesome Ian.

@jonminer9891 3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Ian. For looks, that is a very good looking pistol. Functionally, it was clever engineering and all, but was just a step along the way. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!

@spiff2268 3 жыл бұрын

A perfect example of a solution in search of a problem.

@mrfrosty3 3 жыл бұрын

Very cool. These S&Ws are so elegant looking. I wonder if anyone tried to get a revolver like this to only eject spent cartridges. Maybe by reducing the travel of the ejector unfired brass would remain in the cylinder. Merwin Hulbert has the coolest mechanism I think.

@OutsideTheTargetDemographic 3 жыл бұрын

"That's what's perceived as a 'problem'" will now be added to my vernacular. Shiny.

@aaronsoroczak7432 3 жыл бұрын

Beautiful! I would very gladly buy a revolver that does this as cleanly as this prototype does

@TwentythreePER 3 жыл бұрын

That's really cool, like a Merwin & Hulbert and a S&W Model 3 hybrid.

@notyermama1597 3 жыл бұрын

I have to agree that is a fascinating glimpse into the minds of gunsmiths. thank you Ian that went well with my morning coffee! :-)

@Vincent-S 3 жыл бұрын

Ooh, looking forward to when you get to the later iterations like the Perfected model

@thomaswashburn3513 2 жыл бұрын

I bought an Uberti Cimarron S&W #3 about a year ago. It’s an awesome design.

@Duchess_Van_Hoof 2 ай бұрын

A really cool and obscure design.

@loupiscanis9449 3 жыл бұрын

Thank you , Ian .

@Sensual_Tortoise 2 жыл бұрын

As a southpaw, I would love this gun. And, with a little cylinder modification, you could definitely do half moon clips for speed loading.

@StrangerOman 3 жыл бұрын

To be fair, even with all this explanation from the designer, it feels like a step back.

@daveweller9579 3 жыл бұрын

Very beautiful looking gun

@Arthurzeiro 3 жыл бұрын

This is the sort of thing I'd expect to be on fireplace guy's collection, not for sale at auction.

@vincentmueller3717 6 күн бұрын

It is now, probably.

@gregcampwriter 3 жыл бұрын

Dear designers: If someone can't operate your mechanism with sweaty hands while rounds are incoming, you're not going to make many sales.

@raics101 3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, clay pigeons and deer are known for their accuracy.

@J.DeLaPoer 3 жыл бұрын

@raics That may be the case for use of today, but when these guns were designed they were very much military/personal defence - designed and used for those purposes explicitly.

@raics101 3 жыл бұрын

@@J.DeLaPoer It was a joke, but we saw a good deal of fiddly, sometimes even dangerous mechanisms that didn't really perform as advertised even in officially adopted military pieces. The (perceived) advantages just have to outweight the potential risks and you get the deal, that, or there's just nothing better on the table at the moment and hannibal is knocking at the proverbial door. Anyway, the point was that gimmicks sell too, sometimes.

@user-ii5im7zm2t 3 жыл бұрын

I could see value in having just the swing out, without the top break. With swinging out half the cylinder at once, you get past the Colt issue of only being able to load one round at a time, effectively halving your reload time over the main competitor to the Model 3. I'd buy a single action with the strength of the Colt lockup, where I could reload two or three rounds at once.

@ILikeToLaughAtYou 3 жыл бұрын

This would be insanely interesting as a double action.

@tocsa120ls 3 жыл бұрын

Was there a fire in the background? I hear beeping...

@timhofstetter5654 3 жыл бұрын

Really really easy for the cylinder to get out of registration with the barrel!

@darkoflight4938 3 жыл бұрын

In my mind this is a so, so solution to a non existent problem. Great, great video as usual!

@ronschramm9163 3 жыл бұрын

Public: Wouldn't it be great if this cylinder swung out? Wesson: Hold my beer.

@Rumblestrip 3 жыл бұрын

Thats cool. Id have kept the eject set up for sure though

@LeonM4c 3 жыл бұрын

Thats a sexy revolver, love that dark metal, and even though the design wasn't successful, I think it's really neat mechanically.

@MacDorsai 3 жыл бұрын

Imagine the production guns with a little machining on the cylinder face and the addition of half-moon or full-moon clips for the cartridges like M1917.

@richardelliott9511 3 жыл бұрын

Once again, thanks Ian for another obscure gun that we wouldn't know existed without you prowling the auction houses. Interesting to see an example of the kind of thought processes that lead to improvements even if this one was a dead end. I expect there were more deadends than successful changes. You can definitely see the Merwin & Hulbert influence. By the way, that second gun didn't seem to have the features normally associated with a Russian model, more like a #3 American, perhaps chambered in 44 Russian. Or was that something unusual too or maybe just a slip of the tongue?

@atlasprime6193 Жыл бұрын

Fun fact: Red Dead 2 has a hidden Schofield revolver you can retrieve in Valentine. It involves robbing a hidden gang business operation behind the doctor’s building. When retrieving the gun, Arthur or John opens the cylinder in the same way as we see in this video (albeit, in the opposite direction). Many people complained that this isn’t how a Schofield should be opened at all, and they’re right to complain since after retrieving the gun, Arthur or John would reload the Schofield normally. Not only that, but the design of the Schofield does not match the prototype. They never knew this prototype exist and that R* motion capture team were likely using this model when filming that animation.

@CptEddyPrice 3 жыл бұрын

very nice revolver

@cipherthedemonlord8057 3 жыл бұрын

Two top breaks in a week. Let's have more!!

@vahagnhovhannisyan806 10 ай бұрын

On the first version the lock on the receiver was easily breaking, and that is why S&W came up with the second cersion

@tobiash4727 3 жыл бұрын

That beeping sound in the background had me checking on the dishwasher like three times before I figured out that it was from the video...

@svtirefire 3 жыл бұрын

I thought I was getting tinnitus.

@tobiash4727 3 жыл бұрын

@@svtirefire Your wife must be better than mine if you think that before checking on the dishwasher... 😁

@svtirefire 3 жыл бұрын

@@tobiash4727 My wife IS my dishwasher!

@tobiash4727 3 жыл бұрын

@@svtirefire You should care more about her. Check on her if she makes sounds like that.

@-suiluj- 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ian, awesome video as always. If you somehow could get your hands on a PP2000 I would be absolutely thrilled. Stay healthy

@tedduce7209 3 жыл бұрын

It is going to go for a lot of money. Thanks.

@GinSoakedBoy 3 жыл бұрын

Interesting idea, if a tad finicky. I can imagine that this potentially makes the frame stronger too, the way the top strap attaches more securely to the back (kinda like the M&H revolvers, only the pivot point is at the bottom).

@milgeekmedia 3 жыл бұрын

Ahhhhhhhhh... This answers a question I had about the S&W top break. I knew - thanks to a FW video - that you could break the action *without* chucking the cartridges (as shown in this video) BUT I was left wondering how then you got hold of the cartridges to remove them??? I now notice in this video that Ian show this feature and that it *partially* springs the cartridges out - just enough for you to be able to grab the bottom of the cartridges to remove them! Many thanks! :)

@masahige2344 3 жыл бұрын

Don't you love how Ian casually pulls out a First Model Russian for comparison?

@worldtraveler930 3 жыл бұрын

I can see why this Never left the tool room.

@jansenart0 3 жыл бұрын

Last thing I wanna do when reloading a weapon is to have to grab a barrel that was just fired...

@desertfox2020 3 жыл бұрын

You have to put two full cylinders through a revolver like this rapidly before the barrel gets hot enough that it would be a problem

@jansenart0 3 жыл бұрын

@@desertfox2020 Not a great day at the range unless you have two, I guess.

@Da_Shark 3 жыл бұрын

@@desertfox2020 you obviously haven't gotten drunk and practiced your revolver quick draw and load I can have my baby single action army dish out two cylinders in just over 8 seconds.... while DRUNK!!

@dbldblu 3 жыл бұрын

Attention RIA, Ian McCallum has been stealth camping within your facility for some time now.

@garynew9637 3 жыл бұрын

This gun looks bloody good.

@MrJones-ue2tw 3 жыл бұрын

I like Ian saying Rock Island Auction Company better than RIA.

@coreymerrill3257 3 жыл бұрын

I think that system would be great for a big game, niche hunting gun. For deer and hogs and maybe black bear with the right cartridge. It seems like that top-strap would be potentially very strong linerarly, for a two piece top open frame.

@Leverguns50 3 жыл бұрын

Super interesting

@Penguin0343 3 жыл бұрын

Never been so early for a video must say pretty dang cool lol

@snakeeyes941 3 жыл бұрын

Just what i wanted, a break action revolver with extra steps!

@matthewwyman1581 23 күн бұрын

There’s a robbery in Red Dead Redemption 2 where you can steal a Schofield revolver. Erroneously, when Arthur inspects it, he opens it just like this. It drove me crazy! But know I know that specific Schofield he stole was this specific make. Please, it helps me sleep at night.

@jwnagy 3 жыл бұрын

I think the S&W #3 was the coolest of the late 19th century revolvers.

@clearmelody6252 7 ай бұрын

Wait . . . are you telling me that the "Cursed" looking check that is performed on the Schofield in RDR2 when Arthur first picks it up . . . was actually based off of a real thing?!?!?!

@LowEndPCGamer100 3 жыл бұрын

damn id like to see some repro's of this prototype

@TallifTallonbrook 3 жыл бұрын

It may be where the idea for the swing out cylinders on double actions.

@gordol66 3 жыл бұрын

Could this be a precursor to the way revolvers work now where the cylinder swings out of the frame?

@jerryjohnsonii4181 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting Revolver !!!!!!!!!!!!!

@joelmorris60 3 жыл бұрын

Very interesting, that's a first for me on the smith&wesson

@somepunkinthecomments471 3 жыл бұрын

Ian, I am still waiting for you to take a look at the Osgood duplex revolver. It's essentially a baby Lemat in a S&W model 3 package. It has a 22 caliber cylinder and a 32 caliber central barrel.

@Hakashi57 3 жыл бұрын

Hey Ian, would you do a video of the Colt Coltsman Shotgun, it was Colts attempt into the Pump shotgun market during the 60’s. They were only made during 1961 -1965 with only about 2,000 made in 12ga/16ga/20ga. It has a interesting history as it was made from parts from 4 different manufacturers and the only Colt thing on it is the name and emblem on the hand guard. I would also like to know more about it, since I just inherited it from my dad who passed in March, so contact me if you are interested in examining it

@leppeppel 3 жыл бұрын

Two revolvers in a week. Feels good.

@RiderOftheNorth1968 3 жыл бұрын

There is never enough revolvers, ever.

@pingubased7230 3 жыл бұрын

Went on some tears with this as a trench raider

@noahnims3942 3 жыл бұрын

Last time I was this early it was the gun Old Testament

@jongreenshields2815 3 жыл бұрын

And God said to John Moses Browning, change the 1911 barrel pin to a cam system, and it was so. And the 1911 and the high power were so and created he them in perfection by his servant John Moses Browning

@christurley391 3 жыл бұрын

The intermediate inspiration for the tip out cylinder?

@JPR3D 3 жыл бұрын

All these unusual pistols in this auction, I wonder if they came from the same collection? Maybe even the mythical Fireplace Guy's collection.

@Hansengineering 3 жыл бұрын

Smith and Wesson was the Cannondale of the day. (crazy engineering solutions to non-problems)

@JimJamShimmyShatts 3 жыл бұрын

Seems like maybe where the modern swing out cylinder got it's start

@colonthree 3 жыл бұрын

Make a separate button for extractor spring release that can only be activated when a certain angle has been raught? If not pushed the cartridges stay in. They will only pop out when the button is pressed.

@n.a.4292 3 жыл бұрын

Kinda off topic, I found interesting information about the Type I rifle, I tried to write it down in that old video's comment section.

@washingtoncommandcenter5541 Жыл бұрын

does this strengthen the connection though? Like would this top lock be capable of firing more powerful ammunition that the traditional latch? For the people pining for a top-Break modern Lamat in something like .357

@jerryw6699 3 жыл бұрын

Wesson's still thinkin, When is this gonna catch on?

@72polara 3 жыл бұрын

When a Merwin Hulbert and a S&W have a baby.

@whiskeytangosierra6 3 жыл бұрын

A solution looking for a problem. Revolver design meets politicians.

@jeffprice6421 3 жыл бұрын

Was this patented before the swing out cylinder? If not, this seems to foreshadow the swing cylinder. The side swivel would seem to be stronger than the the normal break top where a mechanism is the lock rather than a solid piece of frame. Swivel then tilt certainly seems awkward. I could see as the gun gets some wear that could get floppy and maybe get into a mode where it gets jammed.