Is It REALLY That Much BETTER?.....357 Sig vs 9MM +P+ Self-Defense AMMO Test!

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6 ай бұрын

Comparing some Underwood .357 Sig and 9mm +P+ ammo. How much better performance do you really get from the .357? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Glock 32 and Glock 19!
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@Kaelland 6 ай бұрын

Couple of things: 1) The .357 Sig was originally released in the Sig P229, which has a 3.9-inch barrel. 2) It first came out in the P229 because that's the gun they designed the cartridge around. Also, I do EDC a .357 Sig, specifically a Sig Pro SP2340 loaded with Speer Gold Dots. Now, what we're all here for: Fun with math! At 50 yards, the 9mm +P+ averaged 1081 feet per second for an average Ke50 of 321 energy foot pounds. At that same distance, the .357 Sig averaged 1255 feet per second for an average Ke50 of 433 energy foot pounds. As a point of interest, the low numbers for the .357 Sig at 50 yards were 1238 feet per second for 421 energy foot pounds, which is what the 9mm +P+ was averaging at the muzzle. .357 Sig is a LOT more powerful than 9mm +P+. One might be able to narrow that power gap by picking the very best 9mm +P+ ammo and comparing it to the very worst .357 Sig ammo. But anything resembling a fair and/or realistic test is going to put the edge to the .357 Sig.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Yep. This is some of the best +P+ 9mm there is, in my opinion, and it still wasn't close.

@katanapr3 6 ай бұрын

I have a Sigpro SP2340 in 357sig too it was the second gun I ever purchased back in 1999. I also have a SP2022 in 357sig and a P229 in 357sig. Excellent guns!

@charlesprice7608 5 ай бұрын

My dad left me a Sig 229 in 357, it sits next to my Sig M11a1 in 9mm. All these 9mm guys that claim it’s just a good as 357 Sig or even 40 might want to see how things work in the real world. My son has the Sig 229 in 40. I carry 9mm. Most of my pistols are 9mm. Because I shoot a bunch and it’s cheapest, I don’t want to load a bunch of different calibers if push comes to shove either. Also capacity, but I understand there is a trade off. That being said when people where practically giving away nice guns because they where 40’s I did end up picking up a few!

@Lexicologist1971 4 ай бұрын

When folks were ditching 40s, I picked up a cherry Sig 1911 Match in 40. It is now a 357 Sig. That 5" barrel has to be launching serious fury.

@cesarsaavedra3095 2 ай бұрын

Funny you mentioned that the .40 was designed around the 229. I recently purchased a sig 229 in 40. It is the smoothest shooting pistol i have. It came with a case of Fed hi shock 180. This combo feels softer than the 9mm to me and incredible accuracy.

@SDMacMan 6 ай бұрын

The advantage of the Sig (besides the shock of 580 ft/Lbs) is that at longer distances it will still carry the energy needed to expand.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@jason200912 6 ай бұрын

None if us can actually take advantage of that extended range though. Yiu gotta get a red dot or don't bother

@bower31 6 ай бұрын

@jason200912 A 50 yd shot with iron sights is in no way challenging what are you talking about

@Gunsandbunsmma 6 ай бұрын

@@ShutterManAcethe amount of misinformation in these comments is crazy, and you sir are incorrect. I can get my hollow points to expand at 40 yards all day long.

@DIYDad1 6 ай бұрын

I'd LOVE to see some gel tests at like say 25 and 50 yards. I'm willing to bet some of these more premium loads would be enough for hunting applications as well.

@bencrane8505 6 ай бұрын

.357 Sig is awesome. Unfortunately it’s a similar story to modern 10mm. Some companies don’t load it to its potential. Underwood however does. At least we can always count on Underwood, Double Tap, and Buffalo Bore to bring the heat. Great test man!

@kennethferguson4283 6 ай бұрын

The Underwood 124gr JHP 357 Sig is actually hotter than their 125gr 357 Mag JHP.

@sloanmagnum5009 6 ай бұрын

Double top doesn't always measure up with velocity

@DrQuagmire1 6 ай бұрын

I always liked Underwood Ammo, ever since ol' Scott of "Kentucky Ballistics" consistently advertises them on almost all of his video uploads, which later led to him partnering with them to create the 600-grain Hard Cast cartridge for the .500 Magnum. not to mention, their .44 Magnum rounds are exceptionally spicy

@G79911997 6 ай бұрын

That's what reloading is for.

@bobjohnson1633 5 ай бұрын

Potential is irrelevant. They load these to work with common bullets and relatively low pressures if they can get away with it Nobody is using 357 sig and 10mm to hunt, or they buy hunting rounds. The rest of the ammo only needs to stop a person to the bare minimum effect

@rex8958 6 ай бұрын

It’s really interesting to note that the 357 sig has the exact same ballistics as a 9mm PCC with a 20” barrel from all my testing/research. That extra 200+FPS really does the magic

@catfixer992 4 ай бұрын

Speed causes bullet fragmentation, and Speed Kills. If not why hunt with a 223 and not a 22lr? LOL

@cesarsaavedra3095 Ай бұрын

127+p+ from a 16” pcc is close to 1400 Corbon 105 +p+ is 1750

@JoeO. Ай бұрын

I really wish there was a 357 SIG PCC, just cuz…

@cesarsaavedra3095 Ай бұрын

@@JoeO. moriati arms has then on sale for 999.00 right now

@cesarsaavedra3095 Ай бұрын

@@JoeO. moriarti

@grahamohea2424 6 ай бұрын

The .357 Sig is my favorite cartridge! Glad to see it finally given the Tools & Targets treatment. In warmer weather, my EDC is generally a Glock 33 and in cooler weather it generally is a Glock 32. To me, one of the principal advantages of .357 Sig is that there is no weaksauce "FBI Load" like there is with 10mm, so ammo is generally up where it needs to be

@bencrane8505 6 ай бұрын

I think .357 sig will stick around about like it currently is. Since it’s just a barrel swap to go from .40 S&W to .357 sig, there are people out there with it.

@kennethferguson4283 6 ай бұрын

The 357 Sig isn't going anywhere, losing out gun rights is what we should be concerning ourselves with.

@G79911997 6 ай бұрын

At 60 cents on up to 1.50 per round for that sig......?....- when I can reload +p+ 10mm 155 grain XTP HP for close to 40 cents. This is the reason I stopped shooting .357 sig.

@nickadkins7765 6 ай бұрын

@@G79911997 That's all well and good, but not everyone reloads. For those of us who buy ammo the prices are the same roundabout. I paid .50 a round for Speer Lawman TMJ target ammo, and around .65 a round for Gold Dots. Not too bad. However when it comes to carrying you have no choice but to tote around a big gun with heavy ammo with the 10mm. The 357sig is more versatile, and is definitely the next best round to carry after 10mm for a semi auto pistol configuration. I have some old school 125gr Ranger T's that'll put me into the 600ftlb energy range which is on the lower end of 10mm performance as I'm sure you know. 10mm is best for carry, but for me 357sig is better for my use case because of it's versatility to go from small gun to large gun, while being lightweight, and deliver some devastating performance!

@catfixer992 4 ай бұрын

I also have both barrels. The only drawback of the 357 Sig is the price of the ammo. Keep an extra barrel.....LOL

@almaadams3631 4 ай бұрын

@@G79911997How are you determining your +p+ 10mm. chamber pressures? 37,500psi is 10mm. max. As far as your brass,bullet and powder cost; sounds like you could be a little more resourceful. I will consede that 357sig is a little more "tricky" to reload than any strait necked pistol cartridge. There are alot more considerations than the cost of your practice reloads( you don't carry your reloads.....hopefully)to be considered before abandoning what is possibly the best carry semi auto to date. We are talking two legged animal defense of coarse, and automobile penatration on glass and doors.

@blacklight6200 6 ай бұрын

I absolutely adore the 357 sig!!! Would love to see more 357 sig content!!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@eddiearchuleta615 6 ай бұрын

Underwood 357 sig 68 grain XD go 2300 fps from my 5 inch barrel and 2250 from my g31 4.5 inch that’s basically 800 ftlbs of energy it’s a very capable cartridge that won’t ever die it’s a great caliber

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@wadelucero6461 6 ай бұрын

Great comment also the 68gr XD out of 16in barrel is 2600fps a 70gr .223 same 16in is 270fps also 124gr 357sig 16in barrel is 2200fps and 762x39 wolf from 16in is 2300fps the best of both worlds👍👍

@jason200912 6 ай бұрын

.355 bullet vs .311 ak round too

@The100percy 6 ай бұрын

Underwood 65gr 357 sig I got over 2200 fps from my G32. Recoil is a non-issue.

@Lexicologist1971 4 ай бұрын

@@The100percy, I've contemplated that for my H&K P2000SK.

@SteveBrownBrownSupportKY 6 ай бұрын

I've always been curious about the .357Sig ballistics. Thanks for the test.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Good stuff.😎👍

@patbrown463 6 ай бұрын

There's another channel that has recent .357 tests and evaluations if you are curious to see other brands.

@tendraftsdeep 6 ай бұрын

@@patbrown463what's the channel?

@armedrebellion47 6 ай бұрын

@@tendraftsdeepAZ Airgunner.

@armedrebellion47 6 ай бұрын

@tendraftsdeep You're welcome.

@stevenflores5549 6 ай бұрын

One obscure advantage that 357 sig has over most 9mm is the ability to potentially get through 3a body armor.

@kennethferguson4283 6 ай бұрын

The blunt force trauma caused be a powerful round hitting a vest is much greater and damaging with the 357 Sig even if the round doesn't penetrate the vest.

@jayblemsin4226 5 ай бұрын

Maybe a 68 or 90 gr lehigh underwood XD? I somehow doubt anything else would do that

@MrSymbolic7 2 ай бұрын

Especially with the Ft. Scott TUI Round in .357 Sig , if we are talking Kevlar 3A Vest !

@joelouden6592 6 ай бұрын

I've been EDC'ing a .357 Sig for many years and will continue to do so for many more. Ammo may be less available in the future but I'm stocking up on premium carry stuff and someone will keep making it to feed the millions of .357 Sig pistols out there.

@kevinrichardson8859 6 ай бұрын

Love the time you spend on the tests Tools!!! Loyal 357sig fan here!!! It just works...something about that 124/125 grain bullet at or around 1350-1450fps + is just magic 🎩 💀!!! Only other round consistently dumping well over 500ft/lbs into your target each shot in a comfortably concealable package is a 10mm (G29 or Springfield 3.8 10mm) and these only have 9..10..or max 15 round magazine capacity..a G33 ..G32...or G31 all lighter than aforementioned and can hold up to 22 rounds in a magazine but come standard with 9+1...13+1 &15+1... ounce for ounce there is NOT a more powerful handgun you can carry on your hip...add in laser like accuracy and trajectory..superior penetration capabilities..and high energy on target...and I'm sticking with it...I have G33..G32..G31...but carry G32 most....and have the 40sw barrels for each...(but never use them) 357sig 🏆 💪 ⚡️people are recognizing its capabilities and its making a comeback....and each Glock has the capability to shoot the weaker 40sw or 9mm with a barrel swap(barrel and magazine for the 9mm) so can technically be 3 guns in one! Makes your 9mm feel like a pop gun after you shoot a 357sig.good for target practice....but for the woods and the hoods ...357sig...45acp+p & 10mm...to answer your question...? Yes it's that much better clearly as the plethora of tests on KZfaq demonstrate!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@patriotpreacher43 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargetsWoods and Hoods! A good theme to find one gun that works great for both.

@kennethferguson4283 6 ай бұрын

I can find one shot stops using the 357 Sig on the internet, I can't find one shot stops where the 9mm was used.

@nikos6220 6 ай бұрын

@@kennethferguson4283just take the 357 Magnum as proxy. Very close

@almaadams3631 6 ай бұрын

I have forsaken 10mm. for 357sig as well. It just makes a better defensive weapon in my old fart opinion. Of coarse in a shorter barrel, 135 or 150grn. 40sw. kicks butt as well.

@don_kandon6006 5 ай бұрын

The 50gr civil defense for sig, is such a win-win. 1) goes over 2200fps, which does hydrostatic shock. 2) defeats 3a kevlar. Even good for shooting a bear thru thick skull. 3) even though it goes fast, recoil is much less powerful due to projectile being so light. 4) The wound channel is nothing like anything on the market. Does insane trauma, just grenades right in the vitals. Does the most damage. 5) gun will be lighter too. 6) it is basically one and done... no need to follow up or anything, even on a all hyped up crackhead. Therefore you can carry a smaller pistol, 7+1 is plenty. So yeah, there are really only 2 true self defense calibers, 357sig or 10mm, in 50gr/65gr civil defense...pistol ammo, with the performance of rifle ammo.

@poisonPpaully 6 ай бұрын

I’m a huge 357 mag fan and my wife knows that so she surprised me with this exact tool G32 not knowing the difference between sig and mag I never would have gotten it but it’s a great tool and learning more about the actual performance I like it better and better since before I had kind of bought into the fudd that it basically had 9mm +p performance but this test and other research I’ve done proves that to be false thanks for another great test

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@johncoleman2495 6 ай бұрын

It's a fantastic cartridge in that it filled a gap between 9mm and .357 magnum. It took me a while to warm up to it but now that I have 2 I like it a lot! It's no .357 magnum but it lends itself to short barrels better and is as close as you can get with a 9mm size service pistol. Sucks to reload though.

@kennethferguson4283 6 ай бұрын

The 357 Sig matches the 357 Mag 125gr round power, both outclass the 9mm.

@johncoleman2495 6 ай бұрын

@@kennethferguson4283 .357 SIG does not match the 125gr .357 magnum. I love the caliber but it doesn't even match the 9x23 Winchester.

@Almost_Made_It 6 ай бұрын

@@johncoleman2495some 357 sig matches or exceeds nearly all 357 mag of the same weight. The best sig comes within about 50fps of the fastest mag. In all practicality, yes it does match 357 mag.

@45.Slanging 6 ай бұрын

All these great capable rounds, 357sig, 40w&w, 40super, 38super!! 45acp,45super, 9x23 and all the cool new 2011s are all 9mm...hurts the heart. A 2011 in 357sig, 38super, 45super,10mm would be great!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's a huge problem for it. Very little support.

@crsquirrely73 6 ай бұрын

There's a 2011 in 10 mm and 40S&W

@jason200912 6 ай бұрын

9mm dillon is a 357 sug but they use a 10mm case instead of a 40cal case

@anonymouscitizen9630 6 ай бұрын

I have a p229 in 357sig an an extra .40s&w barrel for it. I like the oddball sizes like this .357sig and 327 federal magnum just for the fact that when a gun shop has them in stock and there's an ammo shortage you can then find these oddball sizes hidden in the back cause they don't sell 😂 and of course I also have all the more popular calibers too.

@delles1548 6 ай бұрын

I have a 4 1/2" barrel Glock 31 in .357Sig, and with the old Underwood 125gr Gold Dot, it chronos at 1,550fps! That's right there with my heavy handloaded 125gr in my 4" 357 mag revolvers. Also, I have two 1911's chambered in 9x23 Winchester, and they push the 125's at 1,450fps in 5" barrels, so the G31 in Sig is a 15 shot hammer with the old UNderwoods

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

I believe it. Seems most of their older stuff is loaded hotter.

@ElainesDomain 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets The old stuff is generally better.

@327Federal 6 ай бұрын

I love all this 38 Caliber Jelly Time !

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

💥🥇💥

@jimchambers7548 6 ай бұрын

I'm glad you did this test, I hear ppl say 9mm+p is as good as 357sig 😂. That's how ya know they've never shot 357sig. My favorite autoloader round🔫

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@jimchambers7548 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets you have 40S&W glock, you could get a 357sig barrel inder $100 and have G32. Of course you already know that

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

I'd have to get one for my 22. Don't have a 23. I'd honestly rather do most testing from the longer barrel anyway just to get the full potential from the rounds.😎👊@@jimchambers7548

@jimchambers7548 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets full size definitely helps. But it'd be a cheap 357sig. Either way I enjoy your work, the most underrated channel on YT👍👍

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊@@jimchambers7548

@mesqwa9900 6 ай бұрын

I carry the 357 sig in my Glock 23 with a storm lake conversion barrel. Runs great and love the the fact i can run two guns in one.

@timrobinson6573 6 ай бұрын

I liked when Underwood loaded the 147 Gold Dot to +P+

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Mhmm

@johnblackwood1337 6 ай бұрын

That's a lot of pressure. I'm scared ot would blow my old Rugar max 9 up. I guess I need to investbin a Glock. I wanted that max 9 so bad. It is purdy!

@jason200912 6 ай бұрын

Extra powder is useless on hollowpoints btw. All it does is peel the hollowpoint and convert it into a fmj shape.

@TriggaTrey361 6 ай бұрын

@@jason200912I agree if your chasing velocity you want to use a all copper bullet like the underwood extreme defense ammo

@AzureKnightmare32 6 ай бұрын

Rather than picking up a dedicated pistol chambered in .357 Sig, if you have a Sig P320, M17, M18, etc, you can get a conversion slide that will accept both .40 S&W and .357 Sig exchange barrels. I bought the slide and both barrels on sale a while back on Osage County Guns website. Both rounds have fired accurately and reliably on my M17 platform.

@boltgun7266 6 ай бұрын

357 sig works great in a subgun because of the cartridge shape. Ive always been a fan of the cartridge and the Glock 32

@crsquirrely73 6 ай бұрын

Hey you should do a 357 Sig vs a 10 mm test using Buffalo Bore ammo

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

🤔

@johnblackwood1337 6 ай бұрын

Yeah! What he said...

@robertcong-leton3275 3 ай бұрын

I second THAT emotion!

@donm8246 2 ай бұрын

There's no comparison. It's like a 9 mm vs a 357 Sig contest. You can't load the 9 mm case as full as I can my 357 Sig case.

@user-rn9sb8wu4h 6 ай бұрын

It's great that you reviewed the 357 Sig. Almost no one does anymore. I have been thinking about getting a Glock 33. Only cost and availability of ammunition has made me hesitant. The ball ammunition in 357 Sig is way expensive. (I have seen reasonably priced reloads though) The defense 357 Sig isn't usually much more than 40, IF you can find it. I'm sure I could probably order some via my local gun shop. We should always try to support the small business owners. If S&W still made a 357 Sig compact, I'd like that. Anyhow, thanks for this test.

@markstephens5120 4 ай бұрын

I believe S&W does make a compact 357 sig

@Lexicologist1971 4 ай бұрын

Get a 40 barrel and be done with it. 40 actually has more muzzle flip than 357 Sig. I carry 357 and train with 40. Occasionally, I train with 357 to remind myself of the noise.

@mediocreman2 2 ай бұрын

Maybe you'd like a p2000sk swapped with a 357 Sig Barrel

@MrSumGuns 6 ай бұрын

The way they are loading 10mm I think I would rather run 357 sig. Great video as always thanks!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say that so fast. This is great .357 Sig round but it's Underwood. I have another test with more common stuff coming soon.😆

@MrSumGuns 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets Your the Man! I can't wait love your videos!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊@@MrSumGuns

@ctm87 6 ай бұрын

I agree entirely.

@charlesmckinley29 6 ай бұрын

If I had more Gold Dot I would share but it has become unobtainable.😢

@DIYDad1 6 ай бұрын

The way that slow mo jelly jiggle is you can tell that 357sig is dumping more energy into that block (feel free to use that term in the future jelly jiggle 🤣). I bought a few boxes of that underwood 124+p+ on your recommendation, it's pleasant to shoot even out of a compact. 124gr is the sweet spot IMO.

@Dwayne7834 6 ай бұрын

The 357 is definitely a good round. I don’t have one but have seen a lot about the round. Good test . Thanks for sharing the video.👍

@lutherpayne9957 6 ай бұрын

I carry the .357 Sig in the Glock 33. It is a proven man stopper that flies fast and flat. TNW makes a survival carbine in .357 Sig and I have seen near rifle velocity out of the 16.25" barrel. I'm one of those guys that like to mate a pistol with a PCC that uses the same mags. I have the 10 mm pairing, now I'm waiting to get the .357 paired up. BTW... I think the Secret Service and some Seals still use the .357 in Sig 226s. Great test.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@johnkbear3901 6 ай бұрын

Pennsylvania game commission also carries it. I carry it As my EDC in the Glock 33 subcompact. I have no problem shooting that just as fast as anybody at the range with the subcompact 9mm. It's not a heavy recoil but it is snappy. And all it takes is a little practice

@AverageJoe4063 Ай бұрын

With 50% more energy and only 20% less capacity, .357 SIG is a compelling option. I'm hoping it makes a comeback as more people learn about it and people are more open to different pistol calibers like they are with rifle rounds.

@deathofkindness 6 ай бұрын

Love that scenery.. great video sir thank you

@leroycaudill96 6 ай бұрын

Great performance from both guns and ammo this is some good stuff. GOOD VIDEO TOOLS.

@petee454 6 ай бұрын

Cool test!!! Thank you.

@buddysumner4022 6 ай бұрын

It’s always been mind boggling to me why the 357 sig never really took off and got real popular, it’s a powerhouse of a round,

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

9mm has a stranglehold on the edc market.

@buddysumner4022 6 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets yep, and I’m cool with 9mm I pack it more then anything, I got confidence in it with some good ammo

@mauricemaurice123 6 ай бұрын

One reason .. Price

@rsbreeze 6 ай бұрын

.....because it's a powerhouse of a round......

@johncoleman2495 4 ай бұрын

@@ToolsandTargetsyes it does.....and it's not all based on performance. While absolutely adequate as a defensive round, many better options take a backseat to the 9mm for several reasons. The 2 biggest being ammunition costs and light recoil/shootability . The average shooter can just plain handle the 9mm better and it doesn't require the training and trigger time that most people aren't willing to put in to be proficient with anything more powerful. Being the most prolific military handgun caliber and being capable of blowing a lung clean out of a body certainly doesn't hurt either 🤣

@scarifrougeone7225 6 ай бұрын

That was an outstanding test and results. I have never seen any testing of the .357 SIG. enjoyed every minute of the video. Really nice ammo offering there. Thanks for sharing as always. Be safe. 🇺🇸🇺🇸⭐️🇺🇸🇺🇸

@milehighgimpster 6 ай бұрын

Great information. Thanks again for the videos and your efforts.

@kenworland1865 6 ай бұрын

Really nice test!

@dsanchez9703 6 ай бұрын

Been looking forward to this vid, yhank you bro!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Yessir 😎👊

@str8shooter159 6 ай бұрын

Ive been thinking about carrying a glock 33 in 357 sig and this just helped me make my decision. 357 sig it is.

@treetop.garage 6 ай бұрын

Some awesome performance tools ...great video

@eddiearchuleta615 6 ай бұрын

Hey Tools you have a g22 correct you can get an alpha wolf 357 sig barrel from optic planet for a tad over 100 bucks

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

I have thought about that.😎👊

@Kriss_L 5 ай бұрын

I remember when 357 Sig came out, and it was supposed to be a semi-auto version of .357 magnum. I thought it was going to take over and dominate 9mm and .45 ACP. But I'm usually wrong on who wins elections, too.

@semichiganandy2127 6 ай бұрын

Thanks, I've wanted to see a comparison like this. I was surprised at how much better the .357 Sig did. Both were very good, but the .357 really excelled. I have the same feelings as you about the round disappearing. It's too bad that it didn't become more popular.

@greenowl1097 6 ай бұрын

How about you buy into the cartridge so it doesn’t disappear. I have and don’t regret it. It will make a come back just like 10mm has.

@semichiganandy2127 6 ай бұрын

@@greenowl1097 For two very good reasons. First, arthritis (and carpal tunnel - yes, I'm planning on surgery in spring) in my hands. I can handle 9mm so far, but the arthritis will get worse and I've picked up a .380 for carry in case I ever need to go that way. One of my friends wants to look at 5.7, which I might consider, too. And second, I'm in my 8th decade, the hands (and several other things) aren't going to get any better. Otherwise, I'd get one and pick up a couple thousand rounds while they're available.

@trustnot9 6 ай бұрын

I think both did good, great test. Good job as always.

@michaellynn9242 6 ай бұрын

Great video, thank you so much ❤ from Sandy Oregon! 🎉

@timjohnson8390 6 ай бұрын

Absolutely a slammer!! People hate to admit that 9mm isnt a very good defensive round. If it was then ammo selection wouldnt be such a huge factor. Never heard anyone ask if any 357 mag hollow point would make the cut lol

@pewpew9193 6 ай бұрын

9mm is a really good defensive round. Data shows that any handgun round .380 or above will perform almost identically in real world one shot stops. Humans aren't made out of clear synthetic gel, so all these rounds are just going to poke holes the size of the expanded projectile.

@johnb7430 6 ай бұрын

While the terminal performance is indeed better, at some point you need to ask "does it matter ?". The 357S also has greater recoil for slower follow up shots, fewer in the mag and greater report. Anyone that's ever fired a gun in a small area quickly either puts on ear pro or wishes they did! On balance, (for me) the pros don't justify the cons for a carry or house gun.

@vashmatrix5769 6 ай бұрын

Impressive difference. Thanks for the great comparison!

@josephvoytus3694 6 ай бұрын

AWESOME test ! Thank you for finally doing this one....sig vs 9mm +p+ was great ! I really like the caliber & do carry it in a 3.1" S&W Shield. Great lil summer shorts & tank top carry option. Fall thru Spring bigger (capacity) options are available because of cover garments.

@docgunn286 6 ай бұрын

An excellent video presentation, as we’ve become accustomed to seeing from you! 9mm and .357Sig bullets are usually are constructed differently to allow for the increased velocity of the .357Sig. The 125 Gold Dot used in the .357Sig is much more solidly constructed than the 124 Gold Dot used in the 9mm’s. In this case the 124 Nosler ASP (designed for 9mm’s) fragmented. However fragmentation is not necessarily a bad thing, as you have shown. Thanks and please keep up your excellent work!

@johncoleman2495 6 ай бұрын

I never had much interest in the .357 SIG till I shot one. I was pretty surprised at the performance. But I still ignored it for a while because I already had a 9x23 Winchester and the Sig can't match it. Then SIG came out with the Nightmare/Nightmare Carry and I had to have one! I found the 5" first and bought it. I fell in love! But I really wanted the carry(4 1/4" commander), which took a while but now I have both. I try to have at least one 1911 in everything it's chambered in and some it's not.... These 2 loads are spectacular performers! I use the older versions of both. I didn't have a lot of faith in these Nosler bullets at these speeds until now so I've been stingy with my stock with the gold dot.....now I'm ordering some of these! Thanks again for some fine work!

@josephpacchetti5997 6 ай бұрын

I've been curious about the Sig, this is my1st test on those, I've always had 357-Magnum revolvers, and a 44-Magnum, 40 years ago the 9mm that was available then was lame, my 1st 9mm was 4 years ago, with much better ammo, Thanks as always Brian. 357-Sig vs 357-mag, would be great. 👍🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Got a test of that coming soon.😎👊

@raybo34 6 ай бұрын

Nice test. I'm digging the performance of the 357 Sig. I used to own a P229 in 357 Sig years ago. Interesting story... I got it for creating a company webpage for a friend. I sold it because finding ammo was difficult and I was offered a price I couldn't refuse. I don't think you could buy ammo online back then either. I still have a partial box of gold dots for it. I've since gotten a P229 in 40 S&W.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Nice. It's no doubt a capable round.😎👊

@barrymccockiner6641 6 ай бұрын

That's pretty much what that was, except for the barrel. .40 and 357 are great!

@eriklambert3809 6 ай бұрын

The 229 in .357sig was one of my favorite guns in the earl 2ks. I kept 1 2-tone 229 and 1 228 in 9mm. I have debated on getting a 229 in 9mm just to have all 229 calibers.

@joelouden6592 6 ай бұрын

You can get a factory 357 Sig barrel from Sig for about $170 and have both 40 and 357 capability. I'm getting a 40 barrel for my 357 Glock.

@kentuckywindage222 6 ай бұрын

Outstanding test Tool's! I run the same carry load as you just from old stock right after Underwood went away from 50 count boxes. I prefer the Unicore bullet to the Nosler but have both in 9mm +p+ 124 gr. I also run 230 gr +p and 185 gr. +p in 45 acp. Gold Dot, (Unicore). That 185 gr is wicked. Again Outstanding test. Keep'em coming!

@BBDragon66 6 ай бұрын

I carry the P226 in 357 SIG. I also have the P320, and sometimes carry that also in 357 SIG. I think that the +P+ is the odd ball here and is almost if not more hard to find . I am hoping the 357 SIG will make a comeback like the 10mm has. People had written off the 10mm also. I have noticed much better load consistency in 357 Sig than 10mm. Some 10mm loads are nearly the same as 40S&W. I also have 40S&W barrels for the P226 and P320, so I can shoot either as the mags are the same for both cartridges. No reason not to have one if all you need to do is swap barrels and you can find 40S&W everywhere even if the worst case happens and they quit making 357 Sig. If the recoil and report is an issue, the +P+ is not a great choice either.

@yuvgotubekidding 6 ай бұрын

I was really impressed with the +p+ then the 357 Sig rocked its world. Both are serious rounds though. 👌👊😎🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Yeah, I was a little surprised how much difference in energy there was.

@MichelleObamaIsPackinASack 6 ай бұрын

.357 sig ...you're singing the song of my people.....

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@paulmo-we1mw 6 ай бұрын

Hey Tools, missed a few uploads..just got done catching up. Great content as always, keep up the good work Sir! 👍👍👊

@123gmor 6 ай бұрын

Great test as always, keep up great work!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@SirGlockALott 6 ай бұрын

Another great video. I enjoy seeing the ballistic results and send out your vids to all my gun buddies, who enjoy the vids as well.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Definitely appreciate that, brother.😎👊

@SirGlockALott 6 ай бұрын

Letting you know brother, I am using your amazon link 👍 @@ToolsandTargets

@clintwestwood1895 5 ай бұрын

Great jelly testin!

@davidmanross9706 6 ай бұрын

This is my favorite video of yours so far. I’m a .357 Sig Fanboy so it was nice to see the cartridge shown some love! .357 Sig does what most people think 9mm does but as you can see the difference is fairly large when using properly loaded ammo. One advantage of .357 Sig is running it out of a SubCompact, you can still easily achieve equal performance of 9mm+P+ coming out of a full size duty gun. The biggest drawback in my opinion is the price of ammo. Availability is a huge issue too, but when it is available, it can hurt the wallet! Hopefully there’s more .357 Sig coming! Appreciate all your hard work!

@charlesmorgan1879 6 ай бұрын

Its a good round but im locked in with 40/357/38/9 and will definitely be getting more underwood ammo for them. Thanks for info !

@electrochubb 6 ай бұрын

I've always been wonderin' about a .357Sig gel test, I learned something, Thanks Tools.!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@garywood2137 6 ай бұрын

125 gr Federal HST 357 Sig is my favorite carry round, Gel tests on it are amazing.

@randlerichardson5826 6 ай бұрын

Great video Tools GOD BLESS

@jeffreybean5363 6 ай бұрын

Great Ammo test Tools .357 sig vs 9mm+P. The .357sig is interesting but I'll stick with the 9mm.👊🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@dragonsofthunder 6 ай бұрын

Great video again bro!!!

@ultrafuel2559 6 ай бұрын

Finally.... Great test! My daily carry is a SigP224 in 357 Sig and I carry a couple Liberty Defense hollow points back by eight 65 grain extreme defenders. I could switch to a 10mm, which is superior, but 10mm guns are way thicker than they need to be. 40 SW pistols are the same size as the 9mm counterparts and 10 mm is in the same family as 40SW and 357 Sig, so there is no reason the 10mm pistols need to be as thick as they are. I suspect they are as big as they are, because manufacturers built them off 45 ACP platforms to fit the longer 10mm cartridge. 10mm is popular enough now where someone should be able to build a Glock 19/32 or P226 sized 10mm with a slightly deeper grip. I'm a DA/SA guy. I was hoping Springfield would build the XDE in 10mm or may 40 SW where we could get a 357 Sig barrel, but they discontinued the pistol.

@Defenze 6 ай бұрын

Very good testing Tools. Like you I wonder about the 357 Sig caliber along with the 40 S&W. They are great calibers, but no one uses the 40 anymore, or at least no one I know of. As you have said, it appears these calibers are on their way out. I noticed the shelf at my local Rual King was full of 40 S&W, but every other caliber was just about gone. Keep the testing and info coming. Appreciate so much your time and effort on these kinds of tests.

@gryphonz3 6 ай бұрын

Great test as always. Impressive result's. I am a fan of .357 Sig and carry it occasionally. I usually run the factory Gold Dot 125's. I have conversion barrel's for a M&P .40 1.0/2.0 and a G23 Gen3. I had a G33 but sold it off. You are right...number's don't lie. The Virginia State Police still carry it...and are very happy with it. I actually spoke to a Trooper at my LGS a couple weeks ago. They have transitioned away from the Sig P229 and into the Sig P320 as their duty gun. I know New Mexico State Police did use .357 Sig in the past. Not sure about now. I don't personally think the caliber will completely disappear, it will just be very expensive unless you hand load your own. I have a pretty decent supply of brass for this caliber.

@gryphonz3 6 ай бұрын

Yep...same mags. All .40 mags will feed .357 Sig. If it's a designated .357 Sig mag it 'may' have a different follower. I have NEVER had an issue running .357 in a .40 mag. Good Luck...it's a great caliber.@@Stuntman396

@IMABEAST191 6 ай бұрын

My edc for many many years was a g32 gen4 I love it. Due to the round being a bottle neck design it’s super reliable.

@jeffroberts760 6 ай бұрын

Makes sense, thanks for sharing

@2dAnglicoSix 6 ай бұрын

The tapered cartridge’s reliability is an almost equal tactical advantage as the energy stopping power .

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@MB-jg4tr 5 ай бұрын

How does a bottleneck cartridge add to reliability? Serious question, want to learn

@jeffroberts760 5 ай бұрын

@@MB-jg4tr I would guess because once the tip of the projectile hits the feed ramp in the chamber the larger diameter of the rear of the case will keep the tip from hanging up somewhere

@JJ_SDWR 6 ай бұрын

Good stuff Tools. I have a couple boxes of the 147gr +P+ Underwood when they were still loading Gold Dots... now that they seem to be using other projectiles I almost wanna keep those boxes in the safe and not shoot them lol. I carry in my G26/G19 Gold Dot 124 +Ps and a handful of 147gr +P+ at the bottom of the mag if god forbid I'm in a situation where it comes to that EDIT: Not gonna lie that Nosler 9mm round did great... maybe they got the secret sauce dialed in with these Noslers after all

@kyleg7779 6 ай бұрын

Glock 32 is my EDC. Has been for years. Nice video. Keep them rolling.

@themoe6701 6 ай бұрын

Good test. I've wondered how that nosler does. I think you're spot on that this bullet isn't really designed for .357 Sig velocities. Keep up the good work!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@danichicago9140 6 ай бұрын

Picked up a 239 years ago with a .40 barrel and 10 mags for $450. The good old days

@jamesgroves5294 6 ай бұрын

I have enjoyed .357 Sig in my Glock 31 for years. Another outstanding test. Thank you, Sir🙏🏿🇺🇸

@seeratlasdtyria4584 6 ай бұрын

Great comparo presentation. Nice to see a tuber who lives in the 'real world' where cartridge availability and price can trump a slightly better performing round. Thumbs UP!!!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

@harrylake9388 6 ай бұрын

Good stuff brother.

@LuckyDog350X 6 ай бұрын

Since I don't have a dog in this pony show, I won't say anything on the .357 Sig 😁but the 9mm did equally as well from what I seen. Thanks for all the hard work you put in my friend. Have a good one brother see you on the next one.

@mainebigfoothunter7088 6 ай бұрын

Can't go wrong with either, but my favorite is 357 Sig in my Glock 31 and Sig 2022. I bought 40 S&W barrels for both pistols to swap in if I can't find 357 Sig

@robertseafield5810 6 ай бұрын

Great info.

@homeostasis4me485 5 ай бұрын

What an AWESOME, no frills, to the point video woth no filler and no wasted time. Other youtubers can learn from this. Awesome video, thanks for posting, SUBBED.

@ToolsandTargets 5 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Appreciate that!😎👊

@slowtaknow 6 ай бұрын

For years a had a 229 in 357sig, too snappy for me, i have settled on a m&p9, it should do well into old age as i am middle age now and not as beefy when i carried 45's and the 357sig.😊

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

9mm is just so easy to edc.😎👍

@Adam-nv9zo 6 ай бұрын

That 357 sig is no slouch for sure. Great video, as always, brother.

@guardianminifarm8005 6 ай бұрын

Great performance with each. The 357 Sig is a powerful offering for sure. Thank you.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@jameshood9694 6 ай бұрын

I never had tried the 357 Sig, but want to. It's like having a 357 mag automatic. Very close ballistics in the same bullet and weight comparison. Another I wish would have been more popular is the 400 Corbon. It faded real quick.

@almaadams3631 4 ай бұрын

400 Corbon was never issued to any type of LEO or Gub'mint type officers. Maybe it would have stuck around if so.

@ctm87 6 ай бұрын

Glad to see the first 357 sig video. Id love to see a comparison video to 10mm. I already know where it stands but others should know too. 😏 Thanks Tools.

@oakland002 6 ай бұрын

I like all these on the screen data .. instead of just talks .. which goes in one ear and put the other (I’m a visual kind of guy) . Thanks for all the field testing

@rjw261984 6 ай бұрын

Great test as always Tools.🇺🇸

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Appreciate that, brother.😎👊

@tomcat8983 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video! I would love to see you do one on .357 mag vs .357 Sig.

@brianbowden6302 6 ай бұрын

Interesting. As always your tests never disappoint and are much appreciated. Availability of ammo, cost of ammo relative to .40 S&W and/or 9mm makes this a boutique caliber rather than a well practiced everyday carry or range day training workhorse. Firm believer in practice with what you carry, carry what you practice. That knock down energy punch carried through with distance though can’t be denied!

@travisbell9014 6 ай бұрын

Thats a shame there's no future for 357 Sig. I think its one of the great semiauto pistol rounds like 10mm. I know its not as powerful as 10mm but it's not far from it. Especially some of this weak knee 10mm they are selling these days.

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

Yep

@chrisfuentes2957 6 ай бұрын

Thank you, brother, for all testing that you do. It really helps me in my decision making process for my next firearm! Looks like there’s a Glock 23 in my future. I’m gonna buy 9mm AND 357 SIG conversion barrels and mags for 3 guns in 1.

@steveb6103 6 ай бұрын

The energy dump from the 357sig wins the day!

@ToolsandTargets 6 ай бұрын

😎👊

@isaaccutlip5815 6 ай бұрын

That was intense

@CarlMarcum 18 күн бұрын

357 Sig is my favorite auto cartridge. My tool for it is a Sig P320 Compact with the Wilson Combat grip module and EDC load is Hornady Custom 125 gr. I also hand load it so that eases the price pain for practice quite a bit.

@JimD410 6 ай бұрын

Wonder why such a good caliber died out. 10mm almost died out years ago. Same reason I haven't I never purchased a 357sig I always wanted one but the gunshop never has anmo for it you have to order anmo online and even then you are limited on what they have. I'd like to see this cartridge make a come back.

@Rusty_Spiggle-Smith 6 ай бұрын

I’ve got a 9x25 Dillon (357 sig’s bigger brother) build I’m working on that I’m calling the FG-69, posted it on Reddit. I got a ransom rest and I’m going to be firing it with a pull string and loading the cartridge to the absolute max and then some. I hope to see 2500 fps with 50 gr civil defense projectiles and hopefully close to that with 68 grain Lehigh projectiles. It’s quite the investment to get all setup with a Labradar, gel, camera, and range to shoot at. I appreciate the amount of work and $$$ you’ve put into making these videos.