@mauricealexander9975 10 ай бұрын
A top 10 with a closer and no Greg Maddux is inexcusable, idc that KZfaq removed it or whatever put him on the darn list.
@thebaseballcenter 10 ай бұрын
?? I said he was on the list. Not my fault youtube wants to annoying. And mariano belongs on the list idc what anyone says he was so dominant for so long and he was elite in the postseason.
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
I agree with the closer thing....Maddux, wasn't really a money pitcher....11-14, slightly higher E.R.A.....one WS, with all those Braves teams of the 90's....I'll pass on Maddux as my go to guy in a big game.....Nolan Ryan, I'll also pass on for the big game.....I'll go with Schilling, Pedro, Johnson, Seaver....Maddux, would make my top 100 pitchers, and be between 90-100!!
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
Here is my top 14 so I will include another member of the top ten. And I will put in where I put other members whose membership in the top ten is inexcusable. PEAK-5 ROTC GOAT SCORE 1. Walter Johnson 395 388 783 2. Lefty Grove 379 392 771 3. Roger Clemens 368 395 763 4. Randy Johnson 381 378 759 5. Cy Young 371 384 755 6. Pedro Martinez 380 371 751 7. Pete Alexander 377 372 749 8. Tom Seaver 350 376 726 9. Kid Nichols 340 383 723 10. Greg Maddux 367 351 718 11. Christy Mathewson 366 346 712 12. Curt Schilling 349 361 710 13. Clayton Kershaw 344 349 693 14. Bob Gibson 362 322 684 65. Sandy Koufax 355 125 480 66. Ron Guidry 250 229 479 66. Mark Buehrle 155 324 479 68. Eddie Cicotte 276 202 478 69. Noodles Hahn 312 165 477 70. Nolan Ryan 163 313 476 Now even here there are a couple older guys, but Young and Nichols were the first "modern pitchers." And their entire careers are in context The rating for peak is based on a long formula for the five years. Notice Koufax's peak is rated very high and Ryan's very low by these standard and then vice-versa.. Nolan Koufax would have been about 15th and filled the next spot. Also, I am not a purist. I do not simply count only innings pitched as a starter, but I would not put a pure reliever in the top ten. It suffices to say that Mariano Rivera was the greatest relief pitcher in MLB history and thus the GOAT of that herd.
@tedsilversyeager840 7 ай бұрын
Greg Maddux, belongs on no top ten lists...
@TeQuantumR6 3 ай бұрын
@@tedsilversyeager840he is in the hall of fame and there are only 84 pitchers in the hall of fame.
@HarveyMeadowlark 10 ай бұрын
Found this channel by mistake, but I enjoy it very much. Your videos are outstanding
@XBC3-4GOTY 9 ай бұрын
Steve Carlton and Greg Maddux are Missing
@joshbailey7775 18 күн бұрын
Nolan ryan was on the 69 mets that won.
@ReactionShot 11 күн бұрын
Nolan Ryan not having a Cy Young Award is like Stanley Kubrick not having an Academy Award. Injustice.
@haresear126 10 ай бұрын
Wow not a mention of Steve Carlton. Maybe he didn`t make your list but at least an honorable mention?
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Agreed, Lefty, like many of his era threw over 300 innings a couple times, led the league in innings pitched 5 times, played for sh!t phillies teams his first few years after his trade from Cards, won over 300 games, could hit, field, and finish the game.....Dave Parker, would shake in his cleats knowing Lefty's slider was coming....oh, and I think he won 4 Cy awards?? In 72, he won 27 games out of the phillies 59 wins.....that's incredible, actually....and completed 30 games, yes, completed 30 games....nowadays, if the superstar pitcher makes it to 200 IP, it's lauded as something special......phew......
@jamisonweaver3711 2 ай бұрын
Bob Gibson. Man. Love this guy. He hit a batter in an old-timers game for something that happened 10 years prior. Look that story up.
@davidsecord6412 2 күн бұрын
Ryan deserves to be on this list. I've had the chance to meet Nolan Ryan, when they opened Whataburger Field in Corpus Christi, Texas, which is one of his properties. Nice guy.
@johnuthus531 9 ай бұрын
Missing Christy Mathewson, Lefty Grove, and Satchel Paige. Also, Nolan Ryan is credited with a save in the 1969 World Series with the Mets. He most definitely has a ring.
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Satchel Page? You kidding?
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
Exactly, this is a decent list with a couple horrible flaws. Grove is the worst omission.. Most serious: experts always the Grove very high, but that is people who know what the are doing. He had nine ERA titles and nine ERA+ titles as well as 300 wins and he is the only pitcher in modern history post 1920) to have two five year peaks above a 40 WAR (1929-33 and 1935-1939. The 12 pitchers who had WARS over 40 for five years since 1920 besides Grove are Bob Feller (1939-47), Hal Newhouser (1944-48), Robin Roberts (1950-54, Sandy Koufax (1962-66), Bob Gibson (1968-72), Tom Seaver (1971-75), Phil lNiekro (1974-78), Roger Clemens (1986-90), Greg Maddux (1992-1996, Pedro Martinez (1992-96). Randy Johnson (1998-2002) Oh Nolan Ryan's best five year peak between 1973-77 was 27.5, was 60th best of the post 1920 era. By these standards Ryan is a joke. He belongs in the HOF for his unique accomplishments but he is no more the G.O.A.T than I am. And Satchel Paige was amazing, In 474 innings in the MLB he had a 10.2 WAR and showed dominance when he helpedthe Cleveland Indians win the 1948 World Series. He MLB career spanned 42-47 with and exhibition when he was 59. He is most deserving .
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
It had an extreme contemporary or recency biais
@dakidd84 9 ай бұрын
Just because a trophy was named after Cy Young is a pretty weak argument. With no video or any other evidence, seems pretty silly. Geg Maddux should definitely be on this list over a closer. Maddux was so smart and pin point accuracy. I don't feel a closer should be on this list at all. Just my opinion but I'm right. LOL!
@thebaseballcenter 7 ай бұрын
Yes, the Greg Maddux part of the video got cut because youtube is annoying, but he was number 5 on this list. Also thank you for your feedback!
@williamzame3708 14 күн бұрын
Yaz played for Boston in the AL; Gibson pitched for St Louis in the NL.
@chrissheridan8544 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for showing a pic of Maddux!
@PierluigiBonardi 4 күн бұрын
Yaz was in the American League so Bob Gibson never pitched against him in the regular season. You could really put these 10 pitchers in any order.
@leftlovers9137 23 күн бұрын
bro literally was looking for a video without an AI voice i skipped like 3 other ones to find yours and you were over here asking your fans if they wanted you to ditch the AI voice. i'm subscribed now and can't wait for you to make more content. maybe a video about my brewers if you haven't lately? thanks!
@leftlovers9137 23 күн бұрын
I selected all notifications
@geert574 Ай бұрын
Spahn, Carlton, Clemens, Glavine by merit of being good at bat too. Seaver needs to be a lot higher and Cy Young is the plumber era c'mon these 19th century guys would be embarrassed today
@josephmolina03 10 ай бұрын
Great video my guy. I would have to disagree with number 1 even though you hold a point. I would give that title to no other than… Satchel Paige. The man pitched into his 50’s and was Dominating. Completely amazing!
@thebaseballcenter 10 ай бұрын
Great take. Satchel Paige is a legend!
@tedsilversyeager840 7 ай бұрын
@@thebaseballcenter Satchel Paige is a sentimental pick for obvious reasons. He makes no ones' list except for the PC crowd. He won, according to unreliable stats, 124 games, and his 162 average W/L record is just that, average......judge him on his merit, not by the color of his skin, and anecdotal stories...he was dominant to the point of having a losing record at the MLB level 28-31....so the "great take Satchel Paige is a legend" is just that, a legend!
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
@@tedsilversyeager840 Satchel Paige ha a 124 ERA+ and a 10/2 WAR in 474 innings form ages 42-47. IN his first two staarts with the 1948 cleveland Kindians he shut out the Chcago White Sox twice. You are right about the terrible record keeping in the NeL, But it was not his fault, nd it was not his fault that major league teams and moronic executives like Judge Ladis kep the NeL players like Paige out. HIw 28-31 record was because he pitched for the St ouis Browns, the worst team in baseball.
@quinnerlandsen8550 10 ай бұрын
Great video, man, keep up the great work!🎉
@williamzame3708 14 күн бұрын
A list of the ten greatest pitchers that does not include Lefty Grove is a joke.
@Grumpy08 Ай бұрын
Randy at 7 is criminal. Great video though.
@marccomport6750 10 ай бұрын
Wow, no Greg Maddux Maddux’s top five
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Walter Johnson, and Cy Young, should be on the deadball era list.....this guy is guessing about how good they were, no video, etc.....I don't agree with your Maddux pick.....
@anthonyvillaman2805 2 ай бұрын
nolan ryan did win 1 world series, good list though
@ianmason2003 10 ай бұрын
Greg Maddox and Roger Clemons.
@thebaseballcenter 10 ай бұрын
KZfaq made me remove the greg maddox part and Clemons is disqualified for steriod use.
@ianmason2003 10 ай бұрын
@@thebaseballcenter why would they make you remove him? As with bonds, steroids didn’t make these two unlike other players. They were hall of famers without question before they gave in and drank the koolaid.
@lilzae4848 2 ай бұрын
Dam Bob Gibson R.I.P at 10 😢
@chrishiggins8614 2 ай бұрын
Whitey Ford.
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
Whatever way you did this list it definitely is not the best way to do it. I am just going to use one stat for all ten of these guys to show Lefty Grove is better than all but one Grove versus Gibson: Grove had nine ERA titles to Gibson's one. Grove had a 113.3 bWAR in 3940.2 innings; Gibson had 81.7 in 3884 innings. Grove versus Seaver: Grove led the league in ERA nine times to Seaver's three. In 842 more innings than Grove Seaver had a 7.2 lower bWAR and he had a 1.27 ERA+ to Grove's 148. Also I have Seaver number eight (8) on my list, but no match for Grove. Grove versus Pedro Martinez: Grove won nine ERA titles to Martinez five they happen to have both pitched 2827 innings, Martinez in his career Grove in 11 seasons from 1928-39 (excluding a sore arm in 1934 Here is comparison for the 2827 innings: .............................Grove....Martinez Win-Lost Recprd..235-82.....219-100 ERA........................2.73.......2.93 ERA+......................168........154 ERA titles..................8............5 WAR........................95.7.......86.1 WAR oer 250............846......7.61 Grove versus Randy Johnson: Grove had a 9.8 advantage o WAR over Johnson 113.3 to 103.5 in 195 fewer innings. This is a list of the top 20pitchers all time on Black Ink (finishing first in the league) in the crucial categories of Wins, Winning Percentage, ERA, ERA+ Strikeouts, Strikeouts per game (SPG) (FIP (fielding independent pitching) WHIP, SO/Walk ratio and WAR for pitchers; Here is the list. ..............................W.W%. ER..A. ERA+ SO.SPG FIP.WHIP SO/W WAR/P ........................................................................................Black Ink Tot Walter Johnson 6 2 5 6 12 7 6 9 7 9 69 Lefty Grove 4 5 9 9 7 5 8 5 8 8 68 Roger Clemens 4 3 7 8 5 3 8 3 4 7 52 Randy Johnson 1 4 4 6 9 9 6 3 1 6 49 Chrty Mathewson 4 1 5 6 4 1 8 4 9 5 47 Satchel Paige 1 3 3 2 5 8 6 6 9 2 45 Dazzy Vance 2 0 3 3 7 8 7 3 8 4 45 Cy Young 5 2 2 2 2 0 7 7 11 6 44 Pete Alexander 6 1 5 4 6 2 4 5 3 6 42 Pedro Martinez 1 3 5 5 3 5 5 6 4 3 40 Sandy Koufax 3 2 5 2 4 6 6 4 3 2 37 Tom Seaver 3 1 3 3 5 6 4 3 3 3 34 Rube Waddell 1 1 2 3 6 8 5 1 1 3 31 Nolan Ryan 0 0 2 2 11 12 1 2 1 0 31 Clayton Kershaw 3 1 5 4 3 2 2 4 2 3 29 Greg Maddux 4 1 4 5 0 0 4 4 3 3 28 Justin Verlander 4 3 2 3 5 1 0 4 3 3 28 Carl Hubbell 3 2 3 3 1 1 1 6 5 2 27 Bob Feller 6 1 1 0 7 5 1 2 1 3 27 Warren Spahn 8 1 3 2 4 0 1 4 0 1 24 Now Randy Johnson i a first rate HOFer and deserving to be higher on the list, but not as high as Grove Grove versus Koufax: Koufax had a 53.1 WAR for his career in 2324.1 innings; Grove had 53.1 for WAR in 1683.2 innings from 1928-33. For the rest of his career Grove had 60.2 WAR in 2257 innings. And Grove had almost twice the Black Ink as Koufax and a 148 ERA+ to Koufax's 131. Walter Johnson should probably be number one and Lefty Grove number two. Mariano is a releif pitcher an there are probably four or five guys on this list of ten that would have been better reliever than Rivera, though hs is the relief GOAT Nolan Ryan on a top ten list is a joke. Cy Young was a great pitcher an deservs to be in the top ten, but the first great pitchers in baseball history was Kid Nichols; Cy Young was better but came a year or so later.
@jamesrichardson381 9 ай бұрын
Should probably have done a once over through some historical list to make sure you didn't forget someone, like I don't know...Greg Maddux! When I got through the first half I wasn't surprised you hadn't listed him yet because he's much better than that and thought for sure he would be #1. It's pretty crazy not to have what many, many people considered the greatest ever. If anyone thinks Cy Young is the best ever they clearly have holes in their baseball knowledge. The guy pitched in an era where most of the batters he was facing had other jobs and it was much, much easier back when he played. He had a lot of wins but he also had a shitload of losses. Just because the award for best pitcher each year is named after him doesn't mean he is the best ever, it just means he was really good as one of the best known earliest pitchers.
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
I agree, I guess this guy just thought he had to, because the award is named after him, it was also the dead ball era, balls, were beat to death, and kept in the game, hitters were hitting sponge balls, same with Walter Johnson....he's guessing at his greatness....maybe, have a list of best deadball era pitchers, vs. a more modern list of pitchers.....Lefty Carlton wasn't too bad either....
@tien315 6 ай бұрын
He put him in the video, KZfaq just copyright claimed the part of the video. He literally explained that
@cameronmcanally5977 10 ай бұрын
Good list
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Not really....
@cdsutton5470 4 ай бұрын
Good video but Why is Steve Carlton consistently left off these lists? How many of these 1/4 billion dollar FNGs have ever thrown a complete game? Or hit a GS? NONE?
@robertreddy9459 9 ай бұрын
Uhhhh... Greg Maddux was a fucking wizard. Make an addendum after some research, and maybe ill follow
@hushpuckena126 19 күн бұрын
No Mathewson or Grove? This is laughable.
@GusMcGee1 9 ай бұрын
Nolan Ryan won the World Series with the Mets
@toddfaulkner1194 9 ай бұрын
Ryan won a Series his rookie year with the Miracle Mets. And yes, you’re wrong. He’s number one, even with no “Greatest Cy Young” award. Do you think Bill Russell is the greatest basketball player of all time? Just because an award is named something because they were there the earliest to do it doesn’t mean they’re the best.
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
Cy Young and Bill Russell were both better at their respective sports than Nolan Ryan who is without question the most over-rated pitcher in MLB history
@haroldsmyth6685 6 күн бұрын
Says you
@jellomarx 9 ай бұрын
You lose your credibility with Ryan . He was a compiler. You made second,he wasn’t always as high as second on his team. Certainly not in his leagues. In the AL Palmer was always better. In the NL Seaver, Gibson, marichal, Jenkins were all better than. Ryan has the sexy stats.
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely. If adding Ryan was a joke then in one sense it was funny, but that man does not deserve to be in any top ten except the ten most over-rated players in MLB history.
@jareddanielcunanan4303 14 күн бұрын
Yes Nolan was a compiler but when talking about the most dominant pitcher of all time Nolan has the: Most strikeouts 5th of all time in innings pitched Fewest hits given up every 9 innings by any pitcher Most no hitters Most one hitters Most two hitters Most three hitters 324 career wins (He only lost 292 games because in all the teams he played he had no fucking run support he kept losing games where he legit gave up 1-2 runs, pitching thr entire game and lost because the offense couldn’t score.
@haroldsmyth6685 6 күн бұрын
@@user-tw9mt8io2usays you opinion
@haroldsmyth6685 6 күн бұрын
@@user-tw9mt8io2ugee ryan always pitched against other teams ace. Whats up wit that?😅
@salvadormacias8176 10 ай бұрын
And greg maddux..
@thebaseballcenter 10 ай бұрын
KZfaq made me remove that part...
@jaredklein8863 19 сағат бұрын
No Greg Maddux? No, not a solid list, at all.
@christiansoldier77 10 ай бұрын
You skipped number 6 LOL 🤣😂😁
@thebaseballcenter 10 ай бұрын
KZfaq made me remove that part it's very dumb.
@RileyReneau 2 ай бұрын
Thank you for no AI voice. I click off immediately if I hear AI voice.
@controlclerk 10 ай бұрын
No Maddux?
@johnciummo3299 10 ай бұрын
You can be serious with list. You left off Warren Spahn. He won 363 games and a career ERA of 3.09. He had 13 twenty games seasons. He lost three years off of his young career serving in the Army in WW 2. Spahn served as Combat Engineer and was awarded the Silver Star and the Purple Heart. If not for those years in the Army he more than likely would have won 400 games. 363 wins versus 245 losses.
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
The service is not important to this list....it's not a sentimental, he served, he deserves list....but, that being said, yes, he is deserving, as a pitcher, not as an army veteran.....
@user-tw9mt8io2u 7 ай бұрын
@@tedsilversyeager840 Perhaps. But tell me with a straight face that Spahn was not a much better pitcher than Ryan. Warren Spahn was one of the finest lefties of all time behind only Lefty Grove then Randy Johnson and Clayton Kerhaw.
@tedsilversyeager840 7 ай бұрын
@@user-tw9mt8io2u Don't know, I only saw Spahn pitch at the very end of his career, but, that being said, I'd go with him, you're right! Kershaw would not make my top tier list, Johnson would, along with "Lefty".....and Maddox wouldn't make my list either.....
@TK0_23_ 10 ай бұрын
Wow. It's difficult to tell what criteria you are using. But your knowledge of how a pitcher prevents runs is severly lacking. We have a lot of statistical tools in our bag now, but counting stats is not one that is relied on. Young and Ryan? No. Just no. My #1 is Pedro. His 7 year stretch from 1997-2003 he carried a 2.20 ERA. Right in the middle of the steroid era when offenses exploded. Nolan Ryan... When will you people learn.
@christiansoldier77 10 ай бұрын
@TK0_23_3 Best pitcher was Koufax then Johnson and then Pedro
@TK0_23_ 10 ай бұрын
@@christiansoldier77 Bill James did a great comparison between Pedro and Kofax. Pedro won. Remember, Pedro pitched in the steroid era. But taking Sandy first is no crime. Incredible talent.
@christiansoldier77 10 ай бұрын
@@TK0_23_ Koufax played in a more offensive era . Plus he pitched way more innings and complete games so he had more quality wins than pedro who would just pitch 5 or 6 innings and get a win So clearly Koufax was better
@deaton1951de 10 ай бұрын
Warren Spahn. Thirteen 20 win seasons. Lost 4 years during the WWII. I tip my hat to him.
@christiansoldier77 10 ай бұрын
You cant have Mariano on list for starting pitchers . The best Closer for me is Dennis Eckersley
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Rivera, a big no....not even close.....for a reliever, okay, but not on this list...1283 IP, that's 4 years of Carlton IP.....
@christiansoldier77 10 ай бұрын
Ryan is nowhere near top ten all time
@tedsilversyeager840 9 ай бұрын
Correct, and not a real big game pitcher!
@KerryLanier-fr7rz 9 күн бұрын
Rayn did in 1969 with the mets😅
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