Hey Guys! First, this video is for all the people who consider IDW Comics being canon to the games, I'm going to do a follow up video on why I Don't Like to consider IDW CANON. I'll do a follow up video calling out ALL the inconsistent things between the games and Idw games. Also I want to clarify the list in base everyone in the top 8 has win cons over each-other and are highly relative and next time I will cover that. Also I know shadow uses chaos ability’s without an emerald, but chaos control has always been stated to be used with an emerald I spent a long time on editing and working on this video so Liking means a lot! Turn post notifications on and Thanks for supporting me!

The other things to note about Shadow though is he *can* use other Chaos Abilities without an Emerald, such as Chaos Spear, small scale teleportation and Chaos Boost; and then everything else beyond that tied to the Boost like Chaos Blast. The other thing about Shadow is he is an extremely competent fighter when he's serious about it. If he's aware of the situation, he's pretty tactical instead of fighting dirty like he usually would against Sonic etc.

The disrespect to Shadow is crazy especially in the Year of Shadow.

Shadow wearing Inhibitor Rings makes him easily one of the most powerful characters in the franchise

Sonic is Actually Stronger than Blaze hands down. Afronaut Explore gave an excellent explanation.

but the real question.. who would win in a fight? Hyper Sonic.. or Curious George???????????????????????????????????????!??? bro y’all need to chill out 😭 I got some depressed person saying “nobody’s winning, reality will end” like bro wtf 💀

tbf for Shadow, that moment where he says he can't, not only is it specifically Chaos Control, not his other abilities, but it also says he doesn't have the energy, meaning he can perform Chaos Control without an emerald, but in his condition in that moment, he can't

fun fact: Blaze technically won in rush, Since she gets the last sol emeralds, that she can only get after beating sonic and taking care of eggman, if sonic wins, the sol emeralds are never mentioned thus the last sol emeralds is never retrieved and blaze never gets the 7th sol emeralds and the story can't go down the way it did. For the story to even make sense, Blaze MUST win

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As a Blaze stan, I'm honestly shocked you'd put her so high, although she is stronger than the majority of the characters mentioned here. I honestly think Shadow's fast aggressive fighting style is the kryptonite to her acrobatic ballet style. Not to mention Shadow having Chaos abilities without necessarily possessing an emerald. On the other hand, we don't know what else Blaze can do with Sol Emeralds asides turning super and transporting between dimensions (which, isn’t too helpful in a fight to win?). A lot of casual fans think Shadow can win with low to mid difficulty but it only shows how little they know about characters who are less popular than him. Blaze shares his duty and desire to protect those in need; both are directly tied to their emeralds' energy source; both have long range attacks whilst being extremely agile in hand to hand combat; lastly, both are easily highly destructive when locked in (given how serious they are all the time). The outcome of their 1v1 is not as clear-cut as how casual fans think it will be. As for Sonic, he's the main character, so he's going to come out on top no matter what 😂

I think you are heavily underestimating Shadow. Shadow can use his chaos powers without an emerald. This was a plot point in battle where he gives the last emerald to Emerl and reassures him he can use his powers without an emerald. Shadow also manages to beat Emerl who has all chaos emeralds in a fight, something only Sonic was able to do at the end of the game. Not to mention Shadow was able to fight and heavily damage Biolizad who is tough enough to fight 2 superforms in Adventure 2 without an emerald. Not to mention the Sonic rival games show Shadow can keep up with characters like Sonic, Knuckles, and Metal without having an emerald.

In IDW when Shadow gets brutally beaten by zombots in the same issue he uses chaos spear with no chaos emerald if u have critically analyzed the comics

Shadow has used Chaos powers without an emerald on hand Even if he hasn't in that fight Silver also tried to use Chaos Control. You also didn't bring up the inhibitor rings and how Shadow grts a buff taking them off. Which is more like his base stat than with them on.

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I would make an argument that sage using the titans body is not a base form and that she has 0 base strength feats but what am I gonna do about it

Great editing. Awesome bro love your long form content

Sonic is actually stronger than blaze, and Blaze's strength is actually her biggest weakness. Let me explain; Pyrokinesis is blaze's biggest strength conjuring fire however she pleases. But it's also her biggest weakness against fighters like Sonic because Sonic can create a vortex around Blaze with his super speed, sucking the oxygen out of blaze. This could cause Blaze to breathe in carbon dioxide from her own flames. A sudden and large release of CO2 would be extremely dangerous. In the air, a CO2 concentration of around 10% is deadly.

Okay, regarding base Shadow I’m going to debunk your point on Shadow needing a Chaos Emerald to pull off all of his chaos powers since he was able to launch Chaos Spears at Sonic during their battle on the Ark since all the other emeralds were already installed in the Eclipse Cannon, and Tails had the last real Chaos Emerald too, and he doesn’t need to use a Chaos Emerald to use Chaos Snap which is his teleportation ability, and Chaos Blast. He does need a Chaos Emerald to pull of Chaos Control though which works in two ways, he can teleport other characters and objects, and freeze time. The moves I mentioned prior don’t require a Chaos Emerald, plus it’s still up for debate to whether or not the IDW comics are canon or not since most of the events have no effect on the main games continuity. Plus, where’s Tangle and Whisper in the games? The fact that IDW said that Shadow needs a chaos emerald to pull off all of his Chaos Powers is false and Shadow’s battle with Sonic on the Ark proves it with Shadow using Chaos Spears on Sonic while Sonic’s using Sonic Wind.

Since sonic battle is canon now, in one scene, shadow is gonna fight emrl and gives him the emerald. In that scene, emrl has 6 of the 7, and shdow gave him the last emerald. Then emrl says “Wouldn’t that give u a disadvantage” and shadow says “Nuh uh” or smth. And shadow still has his powers.

Your editing is much improved. Good video with good reason.

I hate how people don't remember how strong knuckles REALLY is. knuckles SOLOS🥶🥶🥶

love your vids

Sleeping on shadow rings 😤😤

Metal Sonic should definitely be on this list.

Obviously sonic is no. 1. He's the main protagonist

Very interisting video thank you!

This video is finally out. Very good video

Great video!

Bro no hate for all the effort put into the video in terms of editing, scripting etc. but the actual content of the conversation is such cap - it's insane. A lot of straw-manning, missed context, disregarding lore WHILE ALSO using non-canon stuff... I just disagree with so much here

Nah that Rouge jumpscare tho 💀 13:31

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I actually needed this now I just learned a lot from this 🤔

Shadow can use his chaos abilities without a chaos emerald, in sonic 06 this is proven in flame core after team sonic and team dark leave shadows stays behind to fight mephiles and Rouge shows she has his chaos emerald and states that shadow no longer has one. Shadow then goes on to fight mephiles and the only why he could get mephiles out of the dark is by going into his chaos boost and he also continues to use all his chaos abilities chaos snap, chaos blast and chaos spear without the chaos emerald ​Also again in shadow the hedgehog 2005 black doom takes all the chaos emerald and shadow must ise chaos control to make his way to him without having any chaos emeralds, shadow at this time is also capable of using chaos blast as well no emerald This is possible because in Sonic battle 2003 shadow gives his emerald to emerl and says he no longer needs it because he has maria in his heart and continues to use his chaos abilities through that game. Shadow is a character that was created by Gerald with chaos drives he has literal chaos energy flowing through his body without a chaos emerald

This was a good video however not mentioning the inhibitor rings that Shadow wears downplays Shadow.

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schnitzel vs skips hope one day you do a vs video on these 2

You have a biased opinion on shadows powers that’s for sure… a lot of the facts you’ve stated about shadows abilities from silvers fight to the comics saying didn’t have the energy to use chaos powers… can be taken either way. You interpreted both of these scenes how you seen fit, doesn’t make what you said fact , because they weren’t .

Are you counting base shadow as him with his inhibitor rings on? Cause he was slamming that horde of mephilis without his inhibitor rings.

I don’t see how Shadow using his chaos abilities invalidates that being his base when he was created with the emralds in mind and made to utilize these powers, like how the biolizard was born and meant to utilize the chaos drives. Its like scaling Amy and invalidating her from using her hammer as base.

haven’t watched the video prob a banger

sega really perfected a character concept in blaze then doesn't fully utilize her unless its for a couple moments. here's to hoping we get a game that has silver shadow and blaze playable or at least observed doing something of note again generations is great for shadow but its still back then in the timeline and we don't have much from anyone recently

General I agree with some of your statements but ima have to disagree with the silver shadow one. You keep saying shadow needed a chaos emerald to beat silver but silver had a chaos emerald and pulled it out in the same fight and still didn’t beat shadow. Not only that shadow can use chaos based energy moves without an emerald or at least he’s been shown using chaos powers without an emerald present in game on multiple occasions. And a quick search online will show that shadow can use chaos control without an emerald but in small or short distances. Which makes sense shadow has chaos energy following through him. Which is why he where’s inhibitor rings to control that . Doing a big disservice to shadow .

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Cool video

Maybe the new doom powers will change the list

Shadow in 8, and bro didn't even mentioned the inhibitor rings... 💀

will you make a part 2 for the third section?

Hey Tyrec I am new to the channel and I know well what and who sonic is but I want to know more about the storyline and play the video games! Where should I start?

Wait this video actually makes sense bro. Also infinite being stronger than Solaris means Base Sonic beats solaris as of Frontiers which is very interesting. Only think I don’t agree with is Mighty being over Knucks. I mean you even said that Knucks was punching blow for blow with Bark while Mighty got destroyed. Knuckles clearly has a connection to the chaos emeralds and he can definitely has a handle on chaos energy which is why he punched Sonic out of super. Also why isn’t Emerl on this list. You did say Dead or Alive and Emerl beat everyone as of Sonic Battle except Sonic so he should be above Knuckles and below Sonic. But at the same time he was using chaos emeralds so thats not base but he can still copy abilities so I think he should be over or under metal sonic.

Since u said we really gon be tlkin bout the games n ikno u said u were gonna dip into the comics but the part about shadow not being able to use chaos powers without an emerald (i havent read the comics but this might stil make sense) shadow has always been shown to use chaos powers without an emerald lik the spear the blast he used chaos control without an emerald in shadow the hedgehog. In shadow generations his homing attack is a teleportation and he doesnt have an emerald... n in the comic he said he doesnt have the energy to use the chaos powers without an emerald.. now lik i said i nvr read the comics so it might be some missing context there but what i got from tht line was tht he was probably jus tired n couldnt use them unless he has an emerald with unlimited power... and also he has inhibiter rings on his wrists and ankles which keeps his power at bay and without them he would be completely untouchable... u can def correct me if im wrong tho

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Tyrecords i need you to scale nazo, the fanmade sonic character that made my childhood because you just make it so understandable to my pea sized brain 😭

so in regards to the main cast, it would be 1.sonic and shadow 2.blaze 3.silver 4.surge, as we have multiple statements that shes almost as powerful and strong as sonic and can compete with him as well as ian flynn himself putter her above metal sonic and knuckles 5.knuckles 6.metal sonic. also mighty isnt stronger then knuckles.

How tf is shadow 8

I want you to rank the strongest sonic.exes ik exes aren't canon but i love your content and i want you to talk about exes

Emerl out here havin a laugh.

My list 1. Shadow (he just op) 2.Knuckles (he just op) 3. Sonic 4 . Tails (with mech's he is strong) 5. Amy (underrated) 6. Infinite (they did beat him in base tho..) 7. Metal Sonic (rn very stonk) 8. Dr. Robotnik (The robo's this guy makes..) 9. Vector 10. Espio

You can't convince me that the Sonic The Hedgehog franchise isn't a Shonen Jump 1.) Has what is essentially, an official manga (The IDW Comics) 2.) Had a shitty era but then turned that shit around ( Similar to Dragon Ball Super as a whole ) 3.) Numerous transformations, hero and villain 4. ) (Sometimes) A compelling story with stakes and dark tones 5.) A seemingly unaware and naive protagonists, who really just is a goofball that's serious when needed to be serious i could go on

I've literally been making a tier-list ranking all the characters from the games based on how powerful they are these past three days. I'm excited for this, it's such a coincidence, lots. Although, based on one of the comments, I'm expecting to get a little mad at where you place Shadow 😂

I like your insight 😊

All the time shadow just hiding his power in his ring without the rings he can easily beat sonic in speed or in strength so how can he say that is not too stronge

Your forget about shadows inhibitors?

I know nothing about Sonic or any of the characters, even though I grew up playing the Sonic games. This helped a lot and surprised how powerful these characters are.

I would love to see a video on which character has the strongest Super Form Since it may surprise people how op Silver can be in super form. Chaos Energy transforms thoughts into power, now make a character with Psychokinesis which requires lots of mental power to super form and he can possibly one of the strongest super characters. Not to mention with little to no real skill was able to keep up with super sonic and shadow which have a ton more skill than him in super state

He says shadow never came close to beating sonic without emarald and i agreee becuse shadow BEAT SONIC in shadow the hedgehog twice and sonic had help the second time😂 but he is number 8 under fcking kuckles😂

Idw comics are massive inconsistentcy and ignorning the fact Shadow was stated to be equal to Sonic’s abilities nothing sttaed to have a chaos emerald and him relying on chaos emeralds has been debunked by numeours people. Cant use the Shadow excuse in 06 cause Silver did the same thing as he was breaking the stalemate Metal Sonic has superior acceleration that is why he passed Sonic's speed. Sonic was struggling against him in metal virus arc cause he struggled in the snow literally. Metal most of the time is amped which you were using. Espio was clearly making a joke about that speed concept Knuckles didnt beat ME amped Metal as the latter was still charging and Heavy King only had some of its energy. Mecha Sonic he only beat cause his base form not Super Mecha Sonic. Phantom Ruby isnt stronger than the ME Eggman didnt need it cause he already had power that use as his advantage Infinite being stronger is promotional material which people constantly take to seriously all the time. That has been contradicted. Eggman making that comment was more based off his arrogance than a fact to delivered. Blaze didnt beat Knuckles easily she just dodged him easily also there no proof Eggman Nega is more deadlier he just more vicious so none of that proges Blaze > Sonic. More like headcannon to your side. Sage wasnt created by the power of the ancients she was created by Eggman. She was revived by the the ancients technology after she died stooping the End. Sage isnt on the level of Super Sonic the Titans are. The Titans and the End are the strongest true

Tyre i love ur channel and the videos but tge shadow downplay was kinda crazy in this video shadow has been able to use stuff like chaos spear and other chaos type of attacks without an emerald for stuff like chaos control he may need an emerald but for something lije chaos spear he has used moves like it without an emerald And in my opinion i do live shadow and silver but id put him over silver in strength

We need more videos like this pls🙏🙏🙏🙏

This ain’t it

13:31 "What the!" Indeed.

i wanna be totally honest with you, in the base form battle, i'd put on the 1st place Dr robotnik according to all his creations that can deal with sonic. Even metal sonic and sage (who are in the top 10) are created by robotnik making him in the 1st place in my opinion.

Shadow glazers r sad

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Where is the Steve vs Terrarian part 2?? Why did you delete the 1st part??

What form of Silver was in the picture of the video? What form is that?

For everyone to know, Frontiers did reference how Knuckles find the ruins familiar to his home (Angel Island), which means Sonic 3 did happen and that means Hyper to me is Canon in a way

Ty Sage only did one attack in the game, and that’s when she tried to shoot a beam at sonic, but cyber knuckles blocked it

ThIS IS the best ding I seen in a while

Underrated video

First time hearing about Bark

Shadow in sonic prime was crazy tho

Blaze over sonic is wild😭 keep up the good work though, I enjoyed the video

Hey bro love your videos but i gotta say that the background music is too loud

Respect for the act 1 wisp intro

bark actually was brought up one time recently, just not by himeself. sonic mentioned the hooligans when talking about rough and tumble

Finally it's here

look ik this is off topic from this vid but im a person in this discord i invited a admin to my old discord server (keep in mind this was a long time ago) he was quote on quote "trying to help me" because i stole like 3 or 2 roles from the angel island server. i believed every single word he said to me i gave him admin and.. he raided it i had to remake the server again and he eventually came back he promised me promo (at the time my server did not have much people in it) and promo in his server would help me so much! so i reinvited him to my remade server and he promised he would not raid it and everyone in the server told me not to give in to him.. but i did and he ended up raiding my server again to the point i blocked and banned him from the server.. i had to make it in order to join to server you had to put in your phone number honestly that admin should get his role revoked ik tryercord wont even care or anyone for that matter but i hope some of you know how toxic that server kinda is...

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Sega ruined this moment where during sonic generations they should've added hyper sonic

For some reason this cracked me up lmao 4:27

"Whats on knuckles hands? Spikes.😐" 😂

Interesting Video.

burning blaze casually traveling through dimensions

But Eggman is the whole reason why most of this happened? Why is he not there?

honestly, if we get another frontiers-like with the cinematic boss fights again, they should bring the super emeralds back. like a threat even super sonic and super shadow can't beat, so they go hyper and mop the floor in a victory lap final boss fight

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having shadow at 8 is crazy work either with or without the chaos emerald he’s still strong

Amy sounded like miney mouse for a sec

I hope you know that Chaos Shadow can also be said to be Shadow's base form.