I’ve talked to the Biggest Mario Sweats and I’ll be doing a video showing how Mostly Every Mario is the same. No Matter if you think Super Mario Paper Jam Retconned that. (Check My Community Post For More Info)

Everyone always says Mario is slow and strong while Sonic is fast but weak. My counter to that is that Sonic can break through solid metal with just his spines in almost every game (you don’t even need to homing attack). Also sonic is extremely durable, taking punches from knuckles and even Titans in his base form without needing medical care to recover.

Mario power scaling is...weird. On one hand, Mario runs at a normal pace in games like Mario 64, Sunshine, Galaxy, etc. But on the other hand in the Mario and Luigi series, both brothers can dodge light beams and lasers. I'm not a power scaler so I don't know how any of this works but I'd imagine it's hard to power scale Mario.

The fact that sonic in games and sonic in death battles/cutsenes durability is different.If we look up on Sonic Frontiers,if Sonic didn’t taunt or didn’t made fun of sage,giganto would throw him a little slower,but then when sonic taunted them both,giganto throw him to two towers and a massive rocked wall,but Sonic didn’t die yet,he was only fainted and wake up in like 15 seconds.

Something I don’t see much (even if it’s not as impressive as other feats), is at the beginning of City Escape in SA2. When Sonic breaks the door of the helicopter before ripping off a panel and using it as a board while sliding downhill like a snowboard. The amount of strength he’d need to tear out bolted panels of metal without even grunting in effort would be an insane amount of strength given how durable military aircraft are built.

It doesn’t make sense for him to bring up Paper Mario because he’s a separate character from regular mainline Mario.

Sonic obviously demolishes, mario may be stronger and better than a normal human and can use powerup items but, sonic is a super fast hedgehog that has natural op powers and can change time. Sonic SOLOS

In the end, I just want to say that Mario and Sonic are both legends and have shaped my gaming childhood. I don’t care about Death Battles, debates, and or comparisons. I just want these two GOATs of gaming to still be relevant. And Tbh a Mario and Sonic collab game (excluding Olympics) would be FIRE.

I think a fight between them would be pretty funny if Marios backwards long jump was a canon ability he could access it at any time, he still probably couldn’t win but it would make for a funny sequence of events

I gotta hand it to the other guy He’s the only Mario fan that watched Ty’s video and actually gave out evidence in attempt to debunk it While others that commented on the video clearly lacked genuine information Edit:If you want to join a Sonic vs Mario war then the replies underneath my comment is the place to go

Another reason why sonic uses emeralds in 06 is because then he can time travel with his friends

Here’s what I usually say. Sonic definitely beats Mario in a fight in terms of stats but Mario is a complete god with items. Also with the new moves sonic can do in sonic frontiers it just makes everything else more confusing as hell. I hate when people brag about who can beat who’s ass. I love both characters none the less. They’ve both made huge impacts to the world.

I feel like some people forget that just because you have the ability to do something on your own,if you have a easier option given to you that can do the same thing, you're gonna use that👀Love how you explained and debunked that video in such a chill and funny manner vs his response.I honestly love both characters as well as they shaped my childhood but these arguments be crazy🤣

actually there is a way you could argue against the whole invincibility power up. 1. Sonic has his invincibility power up that’s way weaker than his Super form 2. You have to show HOW invulnerable the invincibilities are considering that each different has their own, so take it as you will 3. Even when Mario can use his power ups, you don’t really see Sonic using any of them in his adventures except for the chaos emeralds and wisp but he hasn’t used after a long time, that’s literally about it

I have something to add here. Sonic can Time Travel without the Chaos Emeralds, he can time travel with the Time Stones, they're pretty much strong. If Sonic used the Time Stones in the battle against Solaris, he would easily beat him without getting the help from Shadow or Silver. Right now I'm waiting for you to respond, because I'm actually interested of what you're going to say about my comment, you're a really great person to talk with.

You should do another video with the side characters. Everyone has gone back-and-forth on sonic and Mario and we all have the same arguments. It would be cool to see tails versus Luigi or Amy versus peach. Or even Bowser versus Eggman.

This was a great rebuttal, with the only issue I take with it being the Death of Author aspect. I'm pretty sure Miyamoto is being taken out of context and that what he meant is that there is indeed one main Mario that goes on most of the adventures like how Classic and Modern are still Sonic. Sunshine does go out of its way to establish a bit of continuity and timeline. (this type of confusion also plagued the Sonic franchise with the two worlds being taken literally even though it was meant metaphorically) Ian while being promoted to a high position now of days, still never had the final say to begin with, for instance wanted to make Sonic far slower as he feels it gets in the way of high stakes which has been rejected by Sega of Japan constantly. Classic and Modern were actually retconed back into being just one Sonic as seen in Tails Tube (with Origns clarifying the games place on the timeline) so yeah that doesn't have a leg to stand on at all. (Even without the current version of the canon headlined by Ian and the rest of the lore council trusting the word of Forces a game chalk full of continuity errors over every other game in the franchise that always contradicts multiverse theory is questionable at best)

Minecraft sword is fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥

20:08-20:26 Actually if Sonic could travel through time in his base for that game. It would have been faster for him to travel through time by running instead going on a mission of searching for another Chaos Emerald like Shadow suggested, when they arrived in the future.

12:03 I love how you used that image I literally just seen that for the first time like two days ago

Another thing you missed was how in “Sonic Riders: Zero Gravity” literally all of the main cast PULLED UP TO A BLACK HOLE to beat a robot THAT COULD USE THE POWER OF A BLACK HOLE

The problem with Mario fanboys is that they take one thing and make it sound like it’s insane thing.

Dude you crushed mario in this video keep up the great work

There is a gap there, you see Mario also has a time limit of sorts! in his games when he had that leaf and you beat a level, it’s invincibility dies out and goes back to a regular power up! This shows it isn’t permanent and can die out

A lot of you might not know this but sonic has a lot of abilities from the games but they don't appear often because sonic doesn't rely on them as much as mario

hyper sonic IS cannon. in mania you can see the super emeralds are broken, from the last time he used it in 3&K

One thing you said mentioned in 18:20 ,this is true since when they said this they meant that all different versions of sonic are from different realities but still exist in the game world, which is why they stated everything is canon, not because they were saying that it’s all the same sonic

Thx tyler I love sonic. But i think you overlooked something. The reason sonic used the chaos emerald instead of the running is bcus he wanted to bring other people (like tails) with him to the another timeline. Anyway great vid i dont know if you read comments but im curious about your thoughts.

One quick counterpoint to Solaris and super Dimentio Ian Flynn stated that Solaris would take his time when destroying timelines (may be authors fallacy), while Super Dimentio was quicker and destroyed multiple different dimensions instantly Plus unlike Solaris, we’re actually shown the extent of the voids destruction in sammer kingdom. Considering the voids job is to destroy an entire dimension, I’m pretty sure it’s past and future would go with it. Just thought I’d add this.

Mario might be inconsistent but so is Sonic. One time Blaze came from another dimension, one time she came from the future. Or once Eggman blew away half of the moon only for it to be completely fine in later games. I think Mario might have a tad more games to pull from. SMB 1 SMB 3 SML 1/2 SMW SM64 Sunshine NSMB 1/2/Wii/U Possibly Galaxy 1/2 (depending on how SMG2's ending would fit into the timeline) 3D Land/World/Bowser's Fury Odyssey The portrayal of Mario and his world are quite consistent in those games.

I appreciate how he cares about other channels and tells people not to send hate

Sonic Vs Kirby is a whole other discussion, and there’s gotta be some ground rules

The "Can he beat Goku?" crowd: (Sweatin...)

Your response is amazing! I still have the same problem from the last video, and that is you keep saying that all Mario's are different. Miyamoto saying that all Marios are the same is not a writer's fallacy cuz it's not like he stopped helping on Mario games after Sunshine and retired or something, he still helps out. I'm not gonna go on a tangent like i did on my last comment but, dude, come on, if that were the case, how tf are Rosalina and Captain Toad in 3D World? Also there's nothing said by anyone at Nintendo proving your take either (Edit: just googled it and from an article from THIS YEAR, Miyamoto still produces basically every Nintendo game, so yes is word does have weight)

This all could've been avoided if he played the games, glad to see you weren't being toxic though. Also what are your thoughts on frontiers' boss themes (undefeatable, break through it all, etc)

20:23 not to mention I bet the chaos emeralds at a lot more precise in what time you travel to

Bro beat the hell out of me even though I like the video 💀

Hyper Sonic is canon because Sonic Mania is canon. If you play Sonic Mania as Knuckles, you can see the Super Emeralds but they are cracked. That means that Knuckles just never bothered to fix them, but they still exist. Hyper Sonic is 100% canon

Me using golem of undie: are you done hitting me with that Daimond sword and forcing me to sub?

I can only imagine the chaos that is to come when that Sonic Vs Kirby vid drops💀

I don't really see a reason why these two would ever fight each other. I could see them competing like in Mario & Sonic in the Olympics, or in Mario Kart series (btw, Sonic deserved to be in MK8 Deluxe more than Link, Isabelle, Villager, and the Inklings), but never the reason to fight against one another. If they ran into some kind of fued or war like Captain America and Iron Man, the two of them wouldn't even go that far into destroying or massacring themselves.

I don't actually think all Mario's are different, Miyamoto himself (father of Mario) stated that all Mario's are the same Mario, since he doesn't have an established canon. At least all the Game Marios. That explains why people like to "Composite" Mario when in actuality, all Mario's are the same. The inconsistencies are probably only done as part of game mechanics. Anyway, cool video! I still think Mario wins though.

you should start a gaming channel and still keep this one kepp working man :)

17:09 Correction: he doesn’t explicitly mention Black Knight. The magic book thing was something that was in Secret rings. But we all still consider Black to be canon because of Secret Rings being canon so it doesn’t matter.

Everything was great expect the “not very Mario is the same Mario” the only exception to this is paper Mario which exists in a book in the normal universe. Mario and Paper Mario exists as two separate entities but Mario has also went on all the paper mario adventures.

Ian Flynn once said he was going to put Hyper Sonic in the Final boss in Frontiers, but denied by Sega. Sega you can keep denying Hyper Sonic, but he still exists. Even Hyper Sonic was used in fighting sprite videos with other characters.

Mario has travelled through universes in seconds and simply said "yes". Beats one of the most godly enemies in his small form. Escaped a black hole for "fun"

Nice job this is the greatest Mario vs Sonic video ever made

I swear some people forget what a death battle is about, it's about characters at their full potential and who would win

18:09-18:25 Aw, but Silver desperately needs the Olympic Games series to improve on his hand-to-hand combat skills.😥

bro you're the first youtuber to successfully make me like the video i was fighting for my life

I think mario would win, but i do have respect for your original video and responce. Love the vids ❤.

Maybe the reason why Mario doesn’t take fall damage in 3D World and in 64 he does is probably because he learned from his mistakes

15:48 I think what the other KZfaqr ment was that since Mario is more focused on gameplay and not like a roller coaster, like the bullet bills they are slow for us but I’m pretty sure that’s a game mechanic, and that’s I think that bullet bills are shown to be fast like in the beginning of Mario galaxy, so I don’t think Mario can run the speed of light, he can react to it. Hope this makes sence 😂, and mario was shown To move when time stopped with the final battle of the first rpg game, so Mario can move when time was stopped, Mario is a star baby which is shown to destroy universe at their baby’s form and Mario is fully grown, I think the reason why Nintendo isn’t saying why Mario is strong or fast is because it’s basically a flex, and the sonic makers seems to love flexing about sonic ALOT, it’s either Mario winning or a tie, buuuuut I’m not saying sonic won’t be a challenge but with that, also Mario did destroy a galaxy with one hand and remade it with his bare hands, kinda like Mario maker. And the paper Mario in paper jam isn’t the paper Mario that we know that’s a new version of paper Mario, and the whole “all Mario’s are the same crap” there are a few references to some games in mario odyssey showing some games that are canon and in a cool way too. that’s my take, and I know I might be wrong with a few things 😅 I liked this video but even tho I still think Mario from a few games wins, but this was a good video, keep up the good work

I think in 06, the reason Sonic didn't just run fast to time travel is because that would only send him back in time, not his friends. They needed the Emeralds to warp all of them back in time

Bro sonic is so fast he high fived himself 💀

Its not about who has the better game. Its about who's more powerful...

Snic doesn't play around since hes the fastest rizzhog around the sonic universe

Classic Sonic is confirmed to not be a separate dimension Sonic post Forces multiple times.

Tyler does have a point, maybe Mario isn't the same Mario in every game. but i personally think that if Shigeru Miyamoto confirms that there is different Marios throughout the games, then yes. every time you see mario in a game, it's an alternate version.

It depends on what mario variant is fighting sonic

I think it’s a closer fight, but I still think Sonic wins

Another thing I would like to add is that the chaos emeralds weren’t drained, they were shut down and turned off

i actually didnt know they were 1v1 solaris in different timelines thats actually kinda sick

I honestly don’t think Sonic would lose to Ben 10. Alien X scales in power to beings like Solaris and the Timeeater.

I always find rebuking debunking video’s hilarious because they’re trying to make you look wrong but they end up being wrong

Who knew that one video could start this big debate, but then this is Mario vs Sonic.

3:01 Solaris is a omnipresent.Which is a state of being of existing in more than one place.

The blackhole in galaxy was way bigger than the one in Mario party. If you compare the sizes of the blackhole the one in galaxy was massively larger which means the gravitational pull. The one in mario party wasn't destroying the galaxy which means that it is the same mario.

I might as well post my criticisms... 1:19 First off, all Mario are canon (as Tyrecordslol mentions in his comment). Second off, we see in gameplay that Mario takes care of Super Dimentio by himself, while Bowser says "all of us", we don't see Bowser prove that statement at all. Third, the Void is stated to destroy ALL existence, all worlds and ALL dimensions. Dimentio is simply restating the void. And finally, Base Dimentio scales to Void, as he matches and surpasses tremors from the void itself. Super Dimentio is just way stronger. 6:06 Base Mario defeated Culex, someone who was stated to be master of Space and Time in the Marioverse, Defeated MP5 Bowser, who was going to destroy the Dream Worlds (of which there are infinte), Defeated Dreamy Bowser, who was powered by the Dream Stone, Scales to Power Star users (which can be used create entire worlds as shown in SM64), and several other 3-A and above feats. Sonic does not show this level of consistency when it comes to his own feats. 7:38 That was a Black Hole that was going to destroy the Marioverse, it is way stronger than your average Black Hole. Funnily enough, in a mission from the same game, a black hole collpases and turns into a Power Star. And again, they are all the same Mario, this is a fact. 11:35 Mario scaling to Culex, Dimentio, and MP5 Bowser (who was goning to destroy the Dream Worlds not all at once, but one by one, meaning Bowser would need to have infinite or immesurable speed for this feat) already puts him way above Sonic. 12:12 Mario has item removal in the form of Battle Cards, and as we see with Eggman... Sonic can't resist it. And Sonic shows no resistance to item removal in any of his games, Super Sonic isn't even a factor in this fight. 13:44 You're right, he made a terrible point when Wonder hadn't come out, but I do have something up my sleeve; Mario can already time travel. We see in Yoshi's New island that pipe that was assisting Yoshi was Future Mario, and he see him travel back through time on his own. Also, the Wonder Flower can indeed manipulate reality around it to the user's whim as we see with Bowser Jr. although I would agree the full capabilities are unknown. 14:17 Sonic NEEDS a time post to do this. We see in the Japanese guide for Sonic CD and in Mania that Sonic cannot time travel on his own. 16:18 Infinte being stronger than Solaris is BS, because A. This is most likely exaggeration. B. Infinite shows no feats coming even CLOSE to Solaris. C. Sonic DOES NOT scale to his Super Form. There are many other reasons, but I'll stop it there. That's all of my own criticisms of this video, but I'll cover resurrection. The 1-Ups are shown in-lore to be items that give Mario extra lives. It even says in Galaxy that he gains "One Extra Mario". So yeah, Mario can indeed ressurect in this fight if he were to die, but I doubt he needs it. No hate, but you are sorely mistaken if you think Sonic comes close to the Man In Red.

20:23 I think the real reason is because Sonic's time travel just put some in a random time in the past and a random time in the present at the area he's currently at but the chaos emeralds can take you anywhere in anytime that you want without having to be there.

Yo ty, can you do a video on archie sonic vs shadow vs silver. I personally think silver wins cause of some feats but i wanna hear your take on it

Take notes death match 😂😂😂😂

Mario could beat sonic if Sonic was sleeping and Mario had a gun

Finally I have been waiting for ever

The debate will never end dude

I agree with everything, LITERALLY EVERYTHING you’re correcting him about AND saying…. Except for Mario being a different Mario every couple games. Look, I’m all for the stats and feats explained, but the Mario from Donkey Kong/Mario bros. Is the same Mario from Galaxy, 64 Odyssey etc. this can be explained through countless references from one game to the next and the fact that the inconsistencies from game to game can be looked at as just a gameplay deal, since Miyamoto mainly prioritizes gameplay and how the game mechanics feel to use instead of story when it comes to Mario. I will strongly stand firm in my belief that 3D Mario, 2D Mario, Mario & Luigi Mario, Mario Kart Mario, Sports Mario and Party Mario are the same tried and true character, no matter the inconsistencies since it can, again, be looked at as Nintendo focusing on gameplay and taking the easy way out rather than what makes logical sense lol. Movie Mario, Paper Mario and TV Mario are completely different though. I really appreciate you debunking this kid respectfully and even though I prefer Sonic a little more over Mario(Unleashed being my favorite game if yk yk), i just gotta point out the one teeny tiny mistake here. Great video, keep it up!

He didn't have to explain to this bot but he did without hate we need more people like this

13:57-14:52 Sonic 06 and future games erased it then. Btw, thank you for being the only Sonic Fan who finally showed proof of that ability (until it was erased from continuity, but eh, what ya gonna do? It’s Sega after all, just like Sonic’s sneezing as a Danger Sense.💁‍♂️🤷‍♂️)

20:05 Also, in 06 he wants to travel with his friends. Not all of his friends are fast enough to time travel

finally SOMEONE THAT KNOWS SONICS TRUE POWER

I will never understand why Sonic fans have a need to latch onto Mario. This is what a decade of having no good games does to a fandom lol

Hey tyler! so could you make a video of mario (after wonder) vs sonic (After frontiers)

6:46 To go against that person’s claims, rings were mentioned in Generations between Modern and Classic Tails, SA1 does show Sonic collecting rings before fighting Chaos for the first time, Sonic Prime shows him collecting rings, and the collect a ton rings missions in both Sonic Heroes and Shadow the Hedgehog.

Um... alright, is it okay if I make a video with these new information? Yes I know, people will assume I'm a Mario fanboy given how...well just look at the pfp, but I would like to see if I could try and see if I can't make an interesting debate with putting Sonic and Mario in a constant style?

Sonic also has a hammer space where he can store things like powerups and weapons like caliburn

Honestly a fight between them would be stupid as hell, sonic hits mario, he gets small and uses a mushroom. Mario his Sonic and he loses rings but gets them back, Sonic hits mario and he gets small again but uses a fire flower. Then Mario roasts sonic and he loses rings. Then it just keeps repeating.

2:23 ive played the game and what he actually said was "never back down never give up" you were right abt everything else tho

Mario fans being bias with this one 🔥 🔥 🗣️🗣️

Ay love that Josiah is in your video, I honestly respect how he believes Mario wins! Even if I may disagree!

W Tyler! For Not Hating On This Guy! Tho, I Do Thing Sonic The The GOAT Like You Proved Ib Your Recent Video

Ayyye thanks for reading my comment Tyler! Anyways about the author fallacy thing, Ian Flynn when he said Archie Sonic loses to Goku was confirmed by himself that it was a joke. Yes even if he wasn’t joking it couldn’t be further from the truth.

Some will not accept the truth 😂

Funny bc he said "Rings are just a gameplay mechanic" when in Sonic Generations Tails has a brief statement saying something like "I've always wondered where he(Sonic) keeps all those rings. But I gotta give this man props for having the balls to try to go against Tyrecords and defend Mario when Mario is clearly weaker then Sonic, Rpg Mario and Regular Mario are clearly different if that wasn't the case then Mario would have rpg aspects in every game. That's like saying Paper Mario and Regular Mario are the same Mario, it's just no. If Paper Mario and Regular Mario were the same Mario then tf happened in Origami King?

I honestly kinda just love watching people argue about this stuff

Bro is goin back too the 1800's with that minecraft sword

Ty you were spitting until you said “everything is canon isn’t true” It’s 100% is true, you just don’t understand the cosmology of the verse. Archie Sonic, Movie Sonic and so on are all different Sonics in parallel universes. So they’re ALL canon, just different universes so the timeline doesn’t mess up.

Oh shit here we go again 🙄

17:22 Another correction: Super Knuckles caused by the Chaos Emeralds not the Super Emeralds. Hyper Knuckles is caused by the Supet Emeralds. On top of that, Ian states that line was designed to be vague enough to where Sega can bring back Super Knuckles, or just Knuckles being so cocky that if he could go super, he could get everything done faster. And even then, Sonic Heroes did have him transform with the Chaos Emeralds, which the line can easily reference that scene. Not Super Knuckles from Sonic 3.

Despite Sonics super forms, This Man can wipe out universe's just by running.