The writers are without a doubt the main villains of the show. They have the power to manipulate everything from the story writing to Ash's character whatever they want for profit lol.

If I remember right even the Director of that episode was even pissed about Tobias believer it was in a tweet that he mentions it

Ash vs the constant need to keep making money by making him lose. It's literally impossible.

Funny that this was mentioned in the latest episode of Pokemon journey’s 😅

Let's admit that that battle was against the top 2, yes ash only made it to the top 4, but ash deserved the 2nd place spot due to him defeating 2, 2 of tobias' legendary pokemon, while no other trainer even the technical second place trainer was able to defeat darkrai

Definitely agree. There are exceptions though (*cough* Tobias *cough*).

That's mostly the rule

I agree raph

@@castform7 I don’t know why poeple are so mad at Tobias.he was one of the best ways to make ash lose.i am glad they didn’t return a random character whom we don’t know and defeat him with some random Pokemon’s or a trainer like Harrison.people often complain about Alain and Tobias when in reality they were one of the best ways to make ash lose after ash’s lose againl Harrison though

I like Tobias battle. It is one of very good battle

agreed

@RinTheMagicalGirl8642 you missed the joke

@RinTheMagicalGirl8642 yeah

@RinTheMagicalGirl8642 r/woooosh

@RinTheMagicalGirl8642 cap is like fake and if it's it backwards it's not fake ,I think this is the joke

I wish Paul used it in Ash’s league battle instead of mons like Ninjask or Agrron that don’t do anything.

@@jamalbruna4121 nah, Infernape would've stomped Ursaring.

POWERRRRR

@@jamalbruna4121 i mean ninjask completely overpowered gliscor If it wasn't for infernape who used an underground flare blitz which is impossible to avoid and a priority it would be way difficult to beat And aggron overpowered Pikachu But i agree that he should have used it

@Rockstar Zombie just why lol

Eat slugs

“How rough” lol

Roxie was actually one of my favorite gym battles as a kid, nowadays I probably would have it a little lower but it's still in my top 10.

It also swept the finals, Ash literally lost that league to plot

@@visionaryvjae5641 this is why ash shouldn't have legendaries. And no melmetal and naganadel don't count

@Teetune 07 the fight was STILL a one sided sweep since even without Darkrai ash stood no chance of winning. At least every other fight where ash defeats a legendary, it's enough to give ash the victory

@@eljordinio7647 I think that's a bigger reason to give ash a legendary. his boxing a legendary Pokemon that is darkrai! his only using sceptile! like imagine your a rookie sniper sniping a legendary enemy that killed the biggest threat with a dead count of 300. but only made him bleed out. but at the same time he snipe your sniper and destroyed it at the same while in the process he injured your jaw. yet the general immediately say's afterwards. "you have no right to hold a better weapon for not immediately killing a legend."

And screw Goh! For stealing the spotlight when he is NOT supposed to be the lead protagonist.

Don't be surprised if Tobias returns in the next 2 episodes of Pokemon Journeys

@@mystery8820 like dude,is he a character from the pokemon go world like he catched a fucking suicune in a normal pokeball

Screw Alain Man. I can bear Tobias considering that he was just a hacker but Alain!? Seriously!? That guy... I hate him.

He even has some incentive with the 2 new Regis.

@@castform7 if he adds those two plus regigigas to his team he's gonna have the full regi set at his disposal. Then he'll be even more insanely broken than the freak Tobias

Well atleast wulkner is coming back in 3 weeks or so

@@Spyro101 it's Volkner for Arceus sake

@@eljordinio7647 sorry :/

Or... Goh: I am finally able to catch Mew! *prepares to throw Poke Ball* Tobias: Nope, it's mine. *Throws Master Ball*

@@karthus006 Goh: 😦...💀

Goh: pulls out a Glock and shoots the master ball Also goh: pulls out a PokeBall and catches mew first try

Damn. I didn't know Ash had a boyfriend

@@itisiumair4358 i think he meant bf for battle frontier

Fact: the frontier brains are just as powerful as elite 4 members!

All he needs are his powerhouses like Charizard, Lucario, Sceptile the Darkrai Slayer, Dragonite, Snorlax and Pikachu, and he should b good against Tobias

@@eljordinio7647 I wuld want ash to use his Aces... So here's my team.. Pikachu, Charizard, Sceptile, Infernape, Lycanrock and Greninja ( if greninja does not return by this time then Lucario/ Dragonite can take this spot) but ik sure this is not gonna happen.. his old Pokemon are gonna rot in the lab thts it...

Ash def gotta use some cheater juice to beat tobias. Bring back the gren, pikachu, mega evolve the charizard, the last three between snorlax, sceptile, ape, incineroar, melmetal, naganadel, Dnite, gengar, or lucario

@PearlEaglit Lycanroc's pretty tanky in the anime. It took about 4 counters + 2 Stone Edges from Gladion's Lycanroc and still won. Sceptile managed to beat Tobias' Darkrai, who had relatively full health at the time. Dracovish is strong, but its best feats were beating Iris' weakened Dragonite with a 4x super effective Ice Fang. Dragonite's incredibly durable, definitely one of his best. Heracross is great, but it kinda pales in comparison with a lot of the others.

@PearlEaglit the reason I took both infernape and Charizard is cause.. infernape is fighting type too and Charizard is flying type(I mean it has flying type attacks) and Lycanrock is weak??? Mann!! Thts one tough Pokemon... Imagine getting back up after 4 counters and the sky drop by braviery.. I don't think any Pokemon wuld stand up after falling frm tht... CMG to sceptile.. sceptile did not get much chances after evolving.. it did perform well in the battle frontier and with tht less experience it beat a fucking Darkrai tht was seaming invincible.... Yes melmetal is mythical so he may use it as advantage.. but even without legendaries ash can best Tobias with his Aces of all regions... In the anime ash uses one of his worst Pokemon against Tobias except sceptile and Pikachu.... Let's see.. but I don't see any of his old Pokemon CMG to his team to battle.. because his current team on its own is powerful... His dragonite has proved to be incredible although it's attacks seams to be too slow.. consideri vs iris using dragon claw or destroyer beam it was damm slow but still it has gr8 resilience.. lucario needs more screentime.. hoping they'll make a new type of evolution named Aura Bond or smt... Cause we know Ash has Aura within him...

Same

They are the 2 most memerable battles in the pokemon anime after all. Ash finally beating a rival who’s basically Ash’s opposite and his toughest Rival he almost beat with his strongest pokemon in the finals

That's the fight i hate the most!

I also refer to him as the badly executed Red proxy. Imagine if everything stayed the same, but it was some silent guy with a red hat sweeping with Mewtwo and Charizard.

My headcanon for Tobias’ team is Darkrai, Latios, Feebas, Magikarp, Sunkern, and Wurmple.

@@Khrystarlite Damn everyone would have become crazy if red came

@@averytubestudios mine is darkahi, latios, 4 level 5 starlys

@@averytubestudios haha

More like a joke since they barely hurt each other

@@eljordinio7647 your sense of humour is so good

@Subpatt X I knew that was a joke so don't say I got a sense of humour

Loll

Until alola

My only issue with a Alola cup is it felt like a tournament between friends.

@@edselcervantes6229 it was also a tournament between enemies as Guzma was an enemy and threat to pretty much anyone who wasn't on his scum of a team

@@eljordinio7647 if I defeat all my friends and a stranger in yugioh, does that make me the national champion?

@@edselcervantes6229 u become champ by winning the tournament and in said tournament u don't face EVERYONE. Just whoever ur matched up with

think about. most of ash's rivals and friends who mind you are elite level got immediately sweep by Tobias darkrai. yet ash is the first person to break his 1 shot spree with darkrai by not even using a legendary Pokemon. it's just a sinnoh starter Pokemon. mind you it's the weakest. no offense it is one of the great starters for any game version period. it just had a disadvantage to the others since it's up against torchic and mudkip. blaziken with that blaze kick is crack. and marshtomp with spamming the move surf is God at this point in the game.

Because of whitney miltank, i learn that pokemon have genders lmao

Not for me

Unless you never played Kanto.

Not for me I low diff Whitney cheeks

Heck even ash lost to her in the anime

I know

Sure because the one who battle with Tobias at final did even worse than Ash. I can tell that he is the second strongest of the league

Yeah the decision to make ash lose there felt kinda forced just like kalos

If had his primeape it would have creamed that darkai

Yes. Why anime?

Really happy that it didn't feel like Charizard only won because of type matchups. The struggle of that battle genuienly made the victory feel earned.

No Charizard vs Magmar was even more tough than Charizard vs Articuno

@@kerjosani5137 yeah it was tough but against Articuno it was more tough bcoz it was legendary and Articuno was having an upper hand in the battle.

That battle is awesome.

@@akatsuki3347 not to mention Articuno could use water pulse

Xd

Paris?

You mean Kalos? Yes Kalos had some awesome battles.

What is the Paris battle

Paras

And gave him a humiliating defeat

@@eljordinio7647 It wasn't humiliating at all. He's the only guy who took out Darkrai and Latios. That would've gotten him mad respect... which disappears immedietly after he goes to Unova

@@Azzie-z3b he went from having the best battle of his life to getting brutally destroyed in spite of taking down two of his opponent's six. That shouldn't be how ur league run shoud end. It's humiliating cos of how rushed it was and the fact that ash stood zero chance of winning. Even Sceptile and Pikachu Alone couldn't turn the tide Ash may get props for beating two legendaries but getting ripped apart like that was just disrespectful

@@Azzie-z3b Cameron makes tobias look like a reasonable defeat

@@ianr.navahuber2195 Ash was pretty dumb in Black & White anime, that is a pretty low bar, also, Black & White pulled a thing that is worse than Tobías, Pikachu losing to a lvl 5 Sniny.

Intentionally or not, that was a cool historical reference.

I watched it with my cousins, we screamed so hard in that episode that my father thought in were in the world cup.

@@Ruffgi Lmao same Infernape using flamethrower after blaze activation still amazes me

He said that it can defeat any other regular opponent but nah legendaries are overpowered Even dusknoir took his dragon meteor

@@laxusstrauss5945 he said it would have taken out any other Pokémon that isn’t his Darkrai he never specified if it was legendary or not just that Gibles Draco meteor was capable of taking out any Pokémon that isn’t his Darkrai. This leaves room for the obvious implication that Darkrai is obviously a league above any other Pokémon including his own, which is why it is safe to say that his arsenal doesn’t exceed his Darkrai’s strength. Besides mentioning Conways Dusknoir makes Tobias’ claim even worse.

​@@KumagawaMisogi That's just overthinking, we don't know and will never know Tobías team and power level of his team he mentioned that it would have defeated Everyone but darkrai, talking in general, not his team, and Tobías didn't saw the conway fight i think, so he could have said that just because it was a strong move for gible

Not to mention Paul completely wiped the floor with ash

@@eljordinio7647 true

It was also a battle that legitimately hospitalized Ash’s Pokémon, which doesn’t happen too often, even when he loses. I mean, sure heading to the Pokémon centre is a regular thing, but it doesn’t often happen where the Pokémon are actually wrapped up in bandages and take longer to heal.

Nah flint infernape fight with all his strength only against Garshomp that's pretty obvious just look at his expression facing garshomp and how calm it was smashing Pikachu Against Pikachu he was clearly holding back

@@laxusstrauss5945 Flint himself told Infernape that they could go all-out against this opponent and Infernape agreed. Obviously though Garchomp gave him much more resistance.

He suplex'd a tank on one of the early episodes, thing was a beast.

Sceptile was the one who got the kill so he gets the credit

Even swellow doesn't get much love yes It fainted at once fighting latios but it was a beast in hoenn everyone forgets about it

@@padfoot3014 you'd think with all its impressive feats it would be enough to topple a legendary. Sceptile beat one (albeit a mythical) and unlike torkoal, Swellow doesn't suck

@@eljordinio7647 yes actually sceptilewas able to beat darkrai since darkrai took a lot of damage from gible and heracross so sceptile defeated but still that's very impressive

Me too! Planning on posting on Twitter and try to make her name trend

@@stephaniecronin2056 Yes I agree

And they never used Tobias again. He was created soley to make Ash lose and the writers decided to discard him after he fulfilled that purpose.

One of his most unacceptable league losses to date. At least ash vs Alain was a close fight and we got to know Alain before it

@@stephaniecronin2056 there is nothing cool about this broken monster

The crazy thing? Tobias's team was supposed to be movie references, according to the storyboarding that said he would also have a Lucario and an Entei. So . . . Spell of the Unown, Heroes, Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, and Rise of Darkrai were the four movies that were picked to be "represented" by the team that would stomp Ash, before the writers realized he wouldn't need to fight four to lose.

And the worst part is that Jiren is already an inferior version of Toguro from Yu yu hakusho so you know how bad Tobias is when he's even worse than that.

My best guess, Tobias’s team consists of primarily Legendary and Mythical Pokémon.

The writers said he had a Mewtwo

In Japan it was revealed that 3rd Pokemon was Entei.

@@kunalbhansali2160 that was fake, it was entei.

@Is Karthik preety sure that is someone else heatran

Is that true? Do you have an article?

So why did they do it anyway?! If they wanted ash to win they should have just let him

@@eljordinio7647 The executives blocked the idea. The boys with the big desks said no, Ash-Greninja can't claim a tournament.

@@elijahpadilla5083 those boys were idiots. They could have just made ash lose in the top 4 then and have ash face Sawyer in the quarterfinals, or, heck, just made him lose by forfeit in the first round. If they were gonna be this stubborn to not let ash win here, they shouldn't have hyped up the league so much

@@eljordinio7647 They needed to stall just enough episodes until Alola came out, though, and XY didn't exactly let off the gas.

We all hate Tobias and for good reason

It’s possible but very unlikely sadly

I hope

I really want that man to battle ash again in journeys. Ash has a powerhouse right now. Pikachu Charizard Infernape Sceptile Dragonite ??????

@@sunnypa7101 yeah I’d really like to see all of ash’s best Pokémon face Tobias and also see his other Pokémon

@@andrewconnell1450 Yeah dude. Any suggestions for the 6th slot?

I know why damn I am sad :(

He would have whipped out Arceus had Team Rocket touched him.

So tough, that episode was actually banned from South Korea.

Pls. That fight was a joke