That’s kinda awesome

You don't even need to open the fallen empire pack to see what rare in the pack.

Fallen Empires was not made to be drafted. Sets did not take draft into consideration until Mirage.

​@@releasethedogs Yeah and that makes it even more of a novelty.

That's one of those ideas that sounds like it will be so ridiculously awful that it will be a hilarious good time. i bet those sailors got so bored, annoyed, frustrated and disappointed that they quit long before any winner was determined.

Speculators will forever be a blight, be they in cards, comics, stocks, whatever.

​@christopherb501 turning anything into a commodity/investment always results in long term side effects, but hey, "line go up". I sort of understand the reason people collect stuff, I just don't understand why some people are like "no this exact thing has to be exactly one of a kind/scarce/rare because otherwise it's not valuable". Like, monetary value and scarcity isn't everything.

Proxy machine goes BRRRR

The reserved list has already been put to the grave. Do you not remember the Magic 30th Anniversary cash grab? The only cards they won't ever reprint are "socially insensitive" cards.

​@thomassynths they were all overpriced proxy cards, such a waste of cardboard

It contributed to ensuring that 30 Years later, Revised, a good strong set with many staples, was really really affordable. 4th Chronicles FE and Revised obliterated the market for Revised cards. Only the Duals survived the massacre. It's complex to decide if this is bad or good. It's more complex to evaluate because after 5th, and after Mirage having all of 1 good card in the set, we then get into Tempest Urza era which warps the numbers with strong cards and high rarities engineered by the RL and pure chaos from bannings. Taken as a package, the 4H pattern of sets getting super collectible just for the year they released DIED at Revised and that was when playability began trumping rarity harder in light of what happened with Urza. Today, I think things would be better if The Dark and Ice Age began to double on 5 year periods but wait 10 year periods before adding the next set to the list of Scarcities. This would allow lots of people lots of prep time to stock up as needed, cash out to the collectors, and the hobby could "pay for itself" as it used to. Right now we have problems where you can't do the old way and if you can't do the old way then the house wins and the rest of all lose, except some of us have savings in Beta. So the thing they're doing to try to make it affordable is now the very thing that doesn't make it affordable. It's wierd. But it was good back Then that it was made possible for everyone to get Mana Vault Land Tax Copy Artifact and Fork and even for a long time Wheel of Fortune with no serious difficulty.

It is probably only because Revised tanked that there is an expectation that lasts today that Birds of Paradise should basically never cost more than $15 for the fanciest hottest Birds of Paradise you can reasonably find short of 7th foil or Beta.

I remembered one of my local game stores that had a big barrel filled with Fallen Empires packs. They were like half the price of a regular pack I believe. I actually bought a fair number of them before I realized how useless most of the cards were. Though to be fair, I was 12 so didn't know any better.😊

Maybe it isnt as clear but i thought it was explained enough

Please provide your own list with accompanying explainations.

Very true, Mirrodin made me quit for about 17 years 😂

Mirrodin was really fun. I loved affinity. I quit when kamigawa was comin out. The cards were meh and i didnt like all the changes magic was making. I still check cards from time to time, but mtg has so many mechanics n cards now its hard to wanna get back into it.

Ironic I thought Mirrodin was a blast and quit when Kamigawa started. Mirrodin was fun both lore-wise and with its mechanics (laughably broken as they were) and Kamigawa was just kind of slow and boring in comparison.

Arcane And Bushido just didn't get the chance they needed. Bushido was Heavily over costed on many of the cards it appeared on. And Arcane was a parasitic mechanic because Wizards chose not to print more of them.

A lot of people I know got into magic around that time, but and this isn't to sound disparaging, they got into it at a fairly casual/not very enfranchised level. This meant they likely didn't notice 1. the power disparity of previous sets, since they were playing at a casual level and 2. The backlash over Kamigawa's japanese theme. This may just be my personal experience, but from what I recall, the japanese them was actually more of a factor of it being hated. During that early to mid 2000's time frame there was an explosion in anime as a hobby here in the US and that lead to other hobbies adopting Japanese stuff in general. For example, Warhammer 40k would create a new and controversial faction: The Tau. Which were a very japanese mecha inspired faction. And from what I remember, people across basically every nerdy hobby was sick of "everything becoming japanese."

​@@calemrAgreed, though in a way Bushido is also somewhat doomed by its name since its flavor basically means it's stuck on Japanese-flavored creatures and cards and can be on nothing else. Arcane at least could have easily been featured on other planes, but Bushido is just somewhat screwed there, which is supposedly the biggest reason it hasn't been brought back. At least Bushido stands more of a chance of being salvaged than Sweep or especially Epic though. While I can in theory vaguely see decently powered Sweep _maybe_ working in a Landfall deck or something, for Epic to actually work in anything other than an "Against the Odds" video or a griefer Hive Mind deck they would probably need effects so powerful that even the Modern Horizons sets would be like "uh, that's a bit much, isn't it?"

@@MusicoftheDamned Yeah, Epic is pretty unsalvageable, it's a mechanic built around not playing the game any more. And this coming from a guy who built an epic modern deck. Which was deeply unreliable. But hey, it was fun in casual games to sometimes go "I remove 30 cards of my choice from your deck."

how?

@@marcoottina654 make its type minotaur, activate didgeridoo.

@@marcoottina654In onslaught there's a card called artificial evolution. It has the effect where it can change the creature type on a spell or permanent to one that you want other than wall. So you can use it on didgeridoo to swap it's type to eldrazi.

@@marcoottina654 Maskwood Nexus from Kaldheim is a good example, paired with Realmbeaker or The World Tree

@@ich3730 why don't just use Quicksilver Amulet?

The group from Red Dead Redemption?

​@@lildemon666.2Yep, THOSE Pinkerton. Turns out they both exist and continue to exist despite their notoriety of being mercs by another name.

It's interesting how Wizards jumped straight to a mercenary group after a single call from an unlisted number for what they believed was theft instead of police.

Pecking Finkertons.

Printing Black Lotus again will not create new 30-years-old Black Lotuses, just a truly ton of _some-month-old Black Lotus_, which is WAY different

9.0 is just pack fresh NM I think. 9.5 and 10 would be safe. 9 probably wouldn't be bc you're talking about multiplying the raws by thousands of supply. Grading matters. It just so happens 9.0......kinda doesn't really impress people. I learned this by buying some silver label slabs and probably wrecked myself. 9.5 Revised Tundra though I made bank. The difference between 9.0 and 9.5 is real. This has been a PSA about BGS. O:)

M30 is actually rare physically. That's why it's allowed to exist. "Down with the RL" is like crying "Down with the Geneva Conventions". It is not as simple as writing on a picket sign "War is a Crime", even though that is true. Wizards and the Vintage stores have promised claws out lawsuits if the RL falls. Essentially they have promised war. The RL keeps them from destroying each other like Europe. The RL is on reading a little bit of a silly farce, a little bit of a religion. But if it keeps them from suing each other---- it is good to keep them from suing each other. We are functionally in a dilemma like early 20th century Europe. Covid was Napoleon. You don't want to see it get worse than Napoleon. What you want to see is "whatever is required for them to not sue each other, sweeping the rest of us up in the blaze of their dumb war." If they announce peace, that could be good. The current news from the front lines of Great Powers is they still promise to sue each other if the RL breaks and they say they checked the RL and it's not broken yet. If at some later date they decide to "find a way to do it" OK. That could be *good* news if nobody had their arm twisted. We don't want to pressure or spook them. We don't want to provoke them. It's fine to not like them or their face but we should be cautiously aware that they can do things that have big consequences on us. We want the big scary jerks at Wizards to be relaxed and encourage them to fall asleep happy and we don't want them to wake up mad. We are negotiating with dragons. Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus.

Yeah if Yugioh has anything to say about it, the originals probably would retain their value pretty well, if not actually become MORE valuable.

As are the speculators

And 30th anniversary was AIDS

He purposefully puts errors in videos to get people to comment about it and drive up the algorithym. His yugioh and pokemon videos are notoriously bad with having horribly pronounced names, card text errors in the video and minor mistakes like wrong sets.

@@LowTier4Life Is that also why he lies about Killer Bees being printed at common in Chronicles?

Oh, now it makes sense. I won’t be clicking these any more. Thank you.

I got trolled too.. clever tactic, This channel had a rundown of Arabian Nights where Bazaar was the only good land pull. Opening hand Library...----->game

@@LowTier4Life Wait wtf? How do you know it wasn't just a mistake?

Guess someone doesn't want controversy.

@@N12015 Don't think there's anything controversial about shitting on the 30th Anniversary packs. Though technically every set here could have seen play in some format or other. Even the un-sets are intended to be drafted in their own special formats. The 30th anniversary cards are just proxies that can't legally be used in any official format, sold at a ludicrous price.

magic 30 is actually draftable, but 1. ABU drafts are horrid and super unbalanced 2. its way too expensive to actually draft

It's number 1 for me

Battle for Zendikar had big cool Eldrazi too tho

killer ber was reprinted in 4th and renaissance. also shade was not from empires but from homelands and jitte was not from saviors but from betrayers.

@@Gammarayx3 doesn´t renaissance count as a set for this List ?? because i would say it was the least favorable for me ! only re-prints of former cards ( wasn´t even rare cards in the boosters ?? ) !!

Honestly, that should have been on the listed instead of unhinged.

Two or three okay cards in a set doesnt excuse it. And that competitive success was because wizards literally forced players to use some amount of homeland cards in their tournaments. Being technically better than prophecy isn't any kind of bar for success lol

​@@NeutralGuyDoubleZeroMerchant Scroll has seen more competitive success than anything in Prophecy and is restricted. Most of the set is weak but it has a few decent cards, outside of great favor and setting.

@cax1175 Again, AS I JUST SAID, a few decent cards doesn't redeem or excuse a set. Having greater success than prophecies isn't any kind of bar for success.

Leaches... a surprise play against the guy playing infect. Because so many cards like it existed before 2022.

​@@NeutralGuyDoubleZeroNo, I just don't believe it's the worst set. From a competitive standpoint, it literally isn't.

Real talk, 1. That's not really related to how well the set sold or the cards in it and 2. I still am very suspicious of that event actually happening. The only proof he posted iirc is a picture of two dudes in overcoats at his front door.

wait alpha and beta were available at stores like target in your day? I don't think I EVER saw magic cards in stores till like.... hmmm.... before 10th edition for sure.... but still modern card frame

Mh 2 and Lord of the rings for sure! The broken cards in the set are both polarizing and expensive

@@parisulki729 eldraine mirrodin urza’s block had worse design tho, the power lvl of mh2 makes sense in context and lotr is at least interesting

I loved playing Gruul, and (later) Temur Xenagod in Theros/Khans standard. There was something special about facing a control player, sticking a Xenagod, then slamming down Terra Stomper next turn. Uncounterable 16/16 haste never got old.

I don't mean to hate on TheManaLogs, but he's got his info flat wrong on Unhinged. Yes, what he brought up were valid criticisms of the set, it was the most popular unset. All the unsets sold bad, with only passion overriding corporate momentum being the thing that allowed us to get more of them.

I gotta agree. I think the only people who don’t like Unhinged are people who don’t like fun. And a few counterpoints: -the gotcha cards only comeback from the graveyard, so your opponent KNOWS what not to do. -the cards that require physical actions have outs, you could just take the punishment. That was the point of them. -anyone who plays a card where someone needs to stand up against someone who can’t stand up is an asshole. That’s a problem with the player, not the card. -playing 2 Farewell to Arms against one of my friends was hilarious.

At least with the first Modern Horizons set you can argue that WotC just overestimated how strong they could make non-rotation cards

@@caesarsushi3238True. Can't be said for MH2 tough

@@caesarsushi3238 True. I unironically think that MH1 was a good set. (granted I'm primarily a commander player) but you actually got a lot of value for a reasonable price in terms of sealed packs, and it tried to support a lot of fan favorite but under powered mechanics in modern like snow. I mean, just looking at the set and its clear that they tried to introduce a Sultai Snow control deck that used snow lands instead of fetches, which should have made the deck cheap. But that deck flopped (how is dead of winter still seriously unplayed?) but with astrolabe being too good of a card and it getting banned that deck is just not going to happen unfortunately.

MH2 would make the list if anyone still played Modern.

Resellers still make money off none reserve cards.

Same, except LOTR. I hate the LOTR set.

same, except ikoria

​@@lauralharris Rings of Power set. They butchered the lore and some of the art was just downright awful. When they said it was a Lord of the Rings set, you'd expect to see Lord of the Rings, not some overly generic fantasy setting defined by a list of checkboxes.

I was around then. In the UK Magic was gaining momentum around ice age so I bought a tonne of Fallen Empires and I know I had loads of homelands later, but what bothers me is i took a break during Urzas block.....O woe is me. Oh, and please tell me why I cannot get "Feast of the Unicorn" out of my head? Some card names, no matter how bad the card is just stick with me.

I started in Ice Age too! And the imagery on that one sticks with you as well. It's just so desecrating. I kind of love it! 😂

You…don’t round. If something has three toughness and is hit by a 2 1/2 then it has 2 1/2 damage marked and dies if it gets another 1/2. And you just pay half the mana and have half left

Printer go brrrr

I thought the Javelineers were great. The tap to do one damage one time was enough for WotC to Implement it on other cards into the future. Names escape me right now, but I know they exist because many times I've uttered the words "Oh, just like the Javelineers" during a draft or pack crack.

@@jamesheyworth4370 It's really good with all of white's first strike creatures. Being able to take down a X/3 with no loss is excellent in white. And then when you have the pump knights, you're beating X/4s in combat. It's really quite good.

Watch Spice8Rack's video about how much he loves Lorwyn if you haven't

Lotr is actually really well liked by modern players from what I've seen.

Aftermath was a cool set The epilogue wasn't. Now with play boosters they're really doubling down the paying more for less

@@Sillimant_ how so? Correct me if I'm misunderstanding, but aren't play boosters basically just set boosters? Or is that wrong? Or is it correct, but the issue is that draft boosters provided a better experience for limited than what play boosters will? It doesn't seem to be a huge change, but I'm not a limited grinder.