Abuela Alma Madrigal in “Encanto”

Ariel (The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea - she lied to Melody about being a mermaid and hiding her mermaid bloodline) Sharpay (High School Musical franchise - need to say why) Abuelita (Coco - she destroyed Miguel's makeshift guitar, gaslighting and manipulating him) The Beast/Prince Adam (Beauty and the Beast - since the Enchantress was teaching him a lesson) Mr. Potato Head (Toy Story franchise - he is very hostile to Woody) Mei Ling's mom (Turning Red - she did not understand what Mei Ling wants and calls OTown as "stripper music" and accusing the convenience store cashier as a child predator, not realizing he was Mei Ling's crush) Violet (The Incredibles 2 - she prioritizes her boyfriend than her family, she gets angry at her father because Dicker erased Tony's memory of her and she has "adolesence" as stated by Dash. She had been the "GET OUT OF MY ROOM!" type of older sister because of it) Lawrence (The Princess and the Frog - he used the Talisman in order to marry Charlotte and overthrow Naveen) Meredith Blake (The Parent Trap - he wanted to marry Nicholas for his money and get rid of the twins to Switzerland) King Runeard (Frozen franchise - he used the bridge as a trick and trying to assasinate the Nothuldra chief) Anger (Inside Out - his actions causing Riley to be rebellious and ran away from home, since he was responsible for the destruction of the "islands") Vanellope (Ralph Breaks the Internet - she abandoned her Sugar Rush game in favor of a GTA-type of game, is she going Turbo because of it?) Tiara (High School Musical 3 - she used her friendly façade to befriend Sharpay but ended up betraying her in the end)

Abuela from Encanto and Elinor from Brave

It’s actually Dolores Madrigal. Every time the plot slows down Dolores sends it spinning. Every step of the way Dolores is trying to destroy the candle.

I agree with only a few of these but some I can think of are Mama Imelda, Anger, and Mei Ling’s mom. Also Top 10/20 Times Disney Parents Made Things Worse

At least he had some great friends.

yeah, it hurt me that he didn't believe if "his son" tells the truth, caring more about his public reputation and didn't support or defend him

The grandfather in Strange world is worser

Buck made my stomach turn at his acts of neglect and abuse(mental)

​@@CaptainCretaceous91 he has those

Brothers pick on sisters. That’s pretty normal too

@@starwarslover015 not the way Sid picked on his sister

@@Ori_Kohav The way Sid picked on his sister wasn’t that bad overall. Sid is a bratty kid, but he is not a bad kid (based on what we know of him).

@@Musiclover19 idk, doing what he did to his sister’s stuff seemed very traumatizing for that age.

@@Ori_Kohav I’m guessing you’re an only child

All three monarchs are likely to share blame for this. This was not a mere social slight as we understand it today, but rather was tantamount to an opening of hostile relations. Such slights have destroyed kingdoms in history, or at least introduces vast instability a kingdom. Maleficent actually provides an opportunity for the monarchs to save face, though they would either own incompetence, malice, or stupidity, none of which look good for monarchs and could create troubles of their own. But they openly reviled her, so she declared that she would strike first and worst.

Even if Aurora’s parents invited Maleficent, they don’t trust her.

it always amuses me to see someone else that actually Braincells

​@@dakotahrednour5245that is a pahetic motivation

i mean in their defence "they only had 12 golden plates, so the thirteenth fairy had to stay home" (that is the prompt. that is the reason why "the evil fairy" was not invited to sleeping beautys christening, in the brothers grimm original story)

Agreed! I totes forgot about Mei's mom. Also Elinor from Brave.

You seem to forget Abuela's backstory and how she had to start leading a community on the same day as she gave birth to triplets and watched her husband get murdered.

@@Furienna yeah, but she became too dependent on the family’s gifts.

@@jamesheatherly4209 Yes, but we find out that she had a good reason to believe that she had to retain the magic at any cost. She believed that her children and grandchildren had to work hard and be perfect to keep their protection from new attacks like the one where her husband died.

I was thinking of those two as well! I keep not really seeing the reason behind the first, but the fact that the latter also goes out of her way to embarass Mei - not only in a public store, but also in public SCHOOL - is something no mother should ever do. Even if it's not a daughter, she shouldn't do that to any child. As an artist, I felt bad that Mei's art of a boy was seen as something that couldn't just be a fantasy or something. Didn't have to mean that she wanted to shack up with the guy, it's just drawing pretty boys! xD

That's because he committed a crime. And that crime is destruction of property.

​@@laurapreslar2751 to be fair he did feel remorse for it afterwards

@@nicholassims9837 but in the alternate universe of The Little Mermaid, he felt no remorse at all.

@@laurapreslar2751 you mean the remake let's treat those as separate entities like the many Scooby Doo and Teenage Turtles shows and movies

@@nicholassims9837 no, I meant the other alternate universe of The Little Mermaid. Where King Triton betrayed Atlantica, the merpeople, and his own daughters and used his powerful trident against them.

He might as well have slapped his daughter across the face.

Not to mention that he easily fell for Zira’s manipulation and lies about Kovu being a part of it…proving that she should’ve been the only lioness to be banished unlike the other lionesses including Vitani for at least wasn’t beyond redemption.

Simba: Father come on, do I look like Scar to you? I mean look at me, my hair, fur and tail, they’re red and yellow like yours, not black and brown like Scar’s. My paws and claws, they are nothing like Scars, they are like yours. Look at me even my chin and Jaws and teeth 🦷, are totally different than Scars. Even my nose and whiskers and eyes are totally different. My eyes are yellow and red like yours or my mother’s, not yellow and green like Scars. But most of all, I don’t have a scar over my eye like he does. So father, I’m nothing like Scar! Kovu’s The one who has a scar over his eye just like Scar, not me! Mufasa: Yes Simba that is true. But the only reason why he has a Scar over his eye is because Zira scratched him! Simba: What?! Zira scratched him?! But why did she do that? Is it because she wants Kova to look just like Scar? Mufasa: No! It’s because she blamed Kovu for Nuka’s death 💀. Simba: Oh. But that was an accident, I mean it wasn’t his fault, One of the logs 🪵 break and he fell and while I was escaping I knocked over the logs 🪵 on him. So I was the cause of his death, not Kovu. He had nothing to do with it and neither did I. Mufasa: Exactly Simba!

Mufasa: Let me ask you something else Simba, are you trying to throw away Kiara’s entire future? Simba: What?! Throw away Kiara’s entire future?! Me? No, that’s not true! I wasn’t planning on doing that. I just don’t want Kiara to make the same mistake as I did. Mufasa: Kiara’s different than you, Simba. That’s not going to happen again. And she’s a big girl now she can take care of herself. She can make her own choices, decide for herself and she is smart enough to be a judge of character.

[Ash Ketchum] Would you say I'm a hero Glorious and brave If I told you something you wouldn't believe? That sometimes I'm scared And I can make mistakes And I'm not so heroic, it seems But if day can turn to night And the darkness turn to light Then why can't we imagine Outlanders can change? [Kiara] No two creatures are exactly the same No two snowflakes ever match their design [Ash Ketchum] And I thought I was strong But I was nothing but wrong When I forgot to be friendly and kind [Ash and Kiara] But if day can turn to night And the darkness turn to light Then why can't we imagine Outlanders can change? [Ash Ketchum] Would you say I'm a hero Glorious and brave If I told you something you wouldn't believe? [Kiara] Kovu, here, it seems Knows the real me And would stay by my side 'til the end [Ash and Kiara] So, if day can turn to night And the darkness turn to light Then why can't we imagine Just why can't we imagine Then why can't we imagine Outlanders can change?

Yeah I can see that

yeh lol

True

How would he not know that? You can't make someone take a vacation against their will. At least talk to the guy first!

@@PhoenixRising87 Like i Said, The citizens of Halloween town have a… Strange view of what‘s right and wrong.

So this was for the original version of toy story?

And then they made Potato Head the villain of the first movie

Woody was villainous in the 4th movie too. He abandoned his kid just to be with Bo. Gabby Gabby said to him that being there for a kid is the most noble thing a toy can do. And he did the opposite.

@@thealextrifier Actually, that was because Toy Story 4 was unnecessary

@@thealextrifier no he was not, he didn't abandon some kid to be with Bo and he didn't do the opposite either

Great point. But she could've broken the cycle.

oh yeah, even Mama Imelda didn't want to let Miguel follow his passion for music, and no one else wanted to give him their blessing to him to come back except on that condition

But Mama Coco didn't seem to hate music, and she always loved her father. Why couldn't Elena just be a normal person and just conclude that her grandmother was probably nuts?

@@PhoenixRising87 That is what often happens to abuse victims: they start to see toxic behavior as normal.

@@PhoenixRising87 Maybe because Coco couldn't really refute Imelda's narrative without proof.

let's be honest the lying was bad but the sultan would have never let them marry if the whole Jafar incident had not happened because he would still be stuck in his 'must mary a prince' mentality.

@@velvety2006 this is just my opinion

I know

@@kyndrablankenship1758 I understand but this is just my opinion.

@kahenaarnoux8201 they also aren't saying you aren't welcome to it or that they disagree that they are a good couple, because honestly they are one of the best Disney couples. Just that within the movie framework they wouldn't be allowed to marry if the Sultan hadn't been attacked by Genie powered Jafar causing him to change his mind about who she can marry.

I know right! I actually liked Hook in Once Upon a Time. He was great!

I honestly loved that they switched the roles of Pan and Hook in Once Upon A Time, I thought it was really clever

@@RobloxianPotterhead Me too.

It was great that they switched the roles in OUAT. With Hook as the anti-hero and Pan as the villain with clouded judgement that was trying to get close to his son Rumple (but in a manipulative way. 😈) It made for a way more interesting story, more original. I really liked that. Plus there are a lot of funny moments in OUAT. All the characters r deadpan snarkers (especially Zelena 😂😂😂)

Hook from OUAT is definitely one of my favorite retellings of that story. I thought they did it quite well.

Yeah me too. But there is a thing called jumping to conclusions before getting the facts right. Revenge causes pain not just to the people you hurt, but also to yourself.

well done connecting the dots.

Simba wasn't verbally abusive to Kiara nor did he destroy things she loved in order to create fear and get his point across.

Marlin from Finding Nemo was also like a villain because he was also overprotective towards poor Nemo.

They may say that there's no such thing as heroes or villains, But one thing that is true is that how you are depicted in a story is entirely up to you.

"The Road to Hell is paved w/ good intentions."

@@ZeldaSam1 or iced with good intentions

Harvey Dent

Well, in the source material, the one that curses the prince is simply known as the evil fae so ... accurate I guess? Also, the stories ( and yes, there are multiple versions) don't give a reason for her to curse the prince, just shit and giggles. There is a good enchantress/fae that appears in Beauties dreams once and in several versions, punishes Beauties sisters by turning them into statues for trying to get their sister killed because they were jealous of her.

This is true

You got that right Buddy!

True, heroes have their dark sides and villains can have understandable reasons for their actions.

Yes, people aren't perfect. That's not an excuse to be toxic.

Okay

Plus she stole his medal, which at the time was his most prized possession, for her own selfish gain.

I agree

@@ferretqueen2908 that happened in the first movie of “wreck-it-Ralph” 😮, this comment is talking about the sequel…

But he was really insensitive and condescending to Woody when Buzz came along, Bo Peep was more understanding and acknowledged where Woody was coming from.

Mr. Potato Head is also an ass. He is jealous of Woody,so when Buzz came in,he said: "Yeah,only his was like a car ran over it." "How come you don't have a laser,Woody?!" _"Laser envy"_ "Yeah,like the attic." I so wanted to kill that guy but he was kinda important in the sequel

@@AllenTheAnimator004 HE'S A BASTARD!!!

Are you kidding. This guy was a fucking asshole even before this, not just to Woody, but to others as well, he straight up insulted Hamm for not getting his joke at the beginning.

Yea Mr. Potato head is a jerk and Bo is the sweet heart. Bo understood why woody was acting like that(it can be sad when someone steals attention from your favorite/important person), while Mr potato head is being rude about woody being jealous.

oh yes, true, he also made a big mistake in wanting to make Shang and Mulan break up to keep his job, but in the end he regretted it because he couldn't bear to see Mulan sad and suffer

Or the matchmaker!

You Forgot to mention Sadness from Inside Out.

@@woodybuzz5695I wouldn’t call Sadness a bad guy. Throughout the movie, she had no idea what her function as one of Riley’s emotions is.

​@@slippahmastahyeah plus Joy being a control freak is what is actually causing all the problems

He meant well but he went about it wrong. I love the vamps, too!

I agree wholeheartedly! Thanks for standing up for Jack, Nightmare before Christmas is one of my favorite movies!

@@skellington8090 same

No, he didn't. And he did tell the trick-or-treaters to leave Oogie out of it, but they took Santa to him anyway

I think they should’ve been replaced with Taylor. Sure, Taylor eventually apologized for causing both of them to focus on their own extracurriculars. However, she does indirectly lead to Gabriella hearing Troy wanting to quit the audition and focus on basketball instead through a laptop and subsequently causes Gabriella to become disinterested in continuing the audition until Troy is able to undo his mistake.

Another fun fact: Woody's nightmare from the second movie was intended to be in the first movie as a further motivator for Woody's actions.

If the first Toy Story Movie went with the original Woody instead of the current Woody,Pixar’s first movie would be a box office Bomb

He threw buzz not knock buzz

That's very wise, because the heroes can also be wrong, but at least they do correct their mistakes, while the villains don't, that differentiates them

@@BG-be8di I personally wouldn't call it wise, Because it's actually a pretty common analogy once you fully understand how the whole hero and villain dynamic of a story works.

Preach, my man. Preach!

I read something similar in a meme once. "You are the villain in someone's story".

​@@suzannemenuet947 "No matter how good you are as a person, you are always the villain in someone's story"

True.

I hate to say this but… gEnErAtIoNaL tRaUmA

I like Aladdin as a kid

There will be a villain in "Wish".

I hope so.

She's not a villain, but she's a character whose good intentions turned out to not be so good.

People blamed Sadness for what happened? I didn't know that.

@@meta527II Some people do that, yes.

Okay

That was another one with her own issues. She had once hurt her mum when they argued (which is why the grandma has a scar on her face) and was afraid that Mei would do something similar if she lost control.

While the way the parents in frozen handled the situation sucked they got shown a visual of their child being attacked. What parents would willingly put their child in danger? They did the best they could however they failed to realize that teaching her to conceal don’t feel actually made it worse.

Then that's on the theater not on them though, I think them being the villains is just a bad take. They weren't in charge of casting so what makes them the villain exactly? The reasons given in the video are literally just they are good at other things so it's wrong for them to be good at this too and it was selfish to beat the other two. I'm sorry but that is the most ridiculous take on that.

Yea he seems like 30 percent a villain because of his jealousy on the first movie (we understand how it feels to lose attention from someone) and since he left Bonnie after she promised Andy she will take care of Woody, but since Woody left that makes the promise broken on the 4th one.

I think he is the main protagonist no matter what :)

@@KSAM428 Yes. He did the right thing and saved Buzz, and they became best friends.

And at the very least he didn’t go too far, unlike the Black Friday Woody or at least want to take it too far. While he was jealous of buzz he at least wasn’t trying to get rid of him for good, better then deliberately throwing him out the window, (which the Black Friday woody did)

​@@taranaenae7429 Real Anwnser: 0%

Heck Yeah, Not Normal

The trolls weren’t overly malicious I don’t think however what they were saying and the visual didn’t add up. However I do think that visual influences what the parents did shutting off the castle and everything. They were trying to protect her just went about it the completely wrong way.

Some Non Disney Characters Who Are Actually The Villan Include Ted From Curious George, Otto From Minions The Rise Of Gru, And Dr. Nefario In Despicable Me And Despicable Me 2

Jack Reminds Me Of The Grinch!

Yea second Aladdin had no choice to wait and see when it was the right time to tell Jasmine the truth because it would seem scary to be told you can’t marry someone you love if there is a law.

People who think Aladdin is the bad guy need to ask themselves this question: Would I rather someone lie to me or threaten to throw my father into an asylum?

*Shang

Mushu wasn’t in Mulan 2?

@@adriengray3332 When did he ever say that Mushu wasn’t in Mulan 2?

Oh my bad

@@adriengray3332 that’s okay, we all make mistakes.

I can't help but want to give Hades a hug.

Zeus not being a family man is putting it lightly.

@@JamesDavy2009 I was trying to be delicate. There might be children in the comment section.

@@alexiaivan7708 That is fair.

@@JamesDavy2009 thank you ☺️

Yeah that would check out atta and some other ants did mistreat flik

Villains will never redeem themselves, but Atta did become nicer to Flik.

Plus they let Flik leave the island to prevent him from messing up their reattempt at meeting Hopper's demands and panic when he comes back from his success.

SAME

Agreed; protecting your daughter is one thing, but that doesn't mean that she should've kept secrets from Melody. She even put up a wall to keep her away from the ocean (which was no help at all), and when her daughter points out the obvious, Ariel just snapped at her. In other words, she became her own father.

​@@sarahsims6164 how is she a villain ?

@@sarahsims6164 It's a little more complex than that. But the short version is that Ariel had a momentary lapse of judgement when confronted about the locket. She immediately regretted it afterwards and decided it was time to tell her the truth. But by then, Melody was gone.

@@sarahsims6164 It is hinted in the Disneyafternoon Little Mermaid series that Ariel really is like her father in Red

​@@sarahsims6164Yes, I agree that Ariel should have told Melody the truth earlier, but if she had, there wouldn't have been a story to tell. But I really like the message that often enough, we will be more like our parents than we thought.

Yea especially being mean to woods about his jealousy on buzz. Also when he let go the Christmas lights because he thought woody broke buzz’s arm

@@taranaenae7429To be fair (and I really dislike having to defend PH in TS 1), since nobody heard Buzz's voice, and all Woody had to show of Buzz was an arm, PH might really have thought that Woody had murdered the "Space Ranger."

@@ellynmacgregor8210 well Mr potato head definitely was jerk that part and not believing buzz was ok just broken

​@@taranaenae7429 mr potato head is mean

Mr. potato Head Should be sentenced to anger management class

That is why I like Maleficent so much - it gives her reason to be evil.

What makes U say that?

@@KittyMcFlame a lot of people kinda see her as the bad guy

oh yes, I forgot, because by her actions, she almost seemed like the villain by despising Mirabel and putting pressure on the other members of the family

@@oddgirl2813 How

@@KittyMcFlame well let’s see, from what I read a lot of people blame her for the cracks, and how she didn’t listen to Mirabel and lied to everyone about them even though she was aware. Plus she forced everyone to be a certain way, making Luisa do everything, making Isabela be perfect, making Pepa control her emotions and stuff like that. But at the same time she was dealing with trauma from loosing her husband so people are like 50/50 with her.

I think you mean Queen Eleanor. 🙃🫠

Yeah Merida is probably the worst Disney princess considering the whole movie is her cleaning up a mess caused by her own selfish actions.

@@ferretqueen2908 o yes! She defo should have try to become someone she didn't want to be, just for the sake of keeping her mommy proud. :/ I get Merida. her mother was worried more about appearances, than her daughter's happiness.

@@marikothecheetah9342 Queen Elenor was wrong too, but that doesn't justify trusting a witch you don't know and endangering your mother's life by turning her into a bear

@@ferretqueen2908 People who are pushed over the edge are people pushed over the edge. I am not surprised Merida did this.

Hey they can be D class villains but they still did cause unnecessary issues for others. I think it was a good list. A different perspective. Not all “good intentions” are the right decision.

​​​@@Shastasnowwhile this is true, I wouldn't say that someone causing harm without bad intentions is automatically a villain. That would be more than just harsh. By that logic, most of humanity would consist of villains. It IS important why someone did something, and if they make up for their mistakes, if they regret it.

Or in some cases they die before they can fix things *cough #2 cough *

​@@jacobweems3316 dead

True

Agreed.

Which happened BEFORE Kovu was even born.

​@@sarahsims6164 and that matters because ?

@nicholassims9837 Part of the judgment Simba cast on Kovu was based on the actions of Scar. Kovu was intended to be his heir, but later on, he changed his ways. Simba let his trauma blind his judgment.

Actually, it is King Triton who killed his own wife. He never loved her, and he felt 100% no remorse ever since.

@@laurapreslar2751 are you sure cuz I remember things differently in the third film

@@d-rex8244 Yeah, it is actually made very clear that he loved Attina and was traumatized by her death.

@@Furienna first of all, it's Athena. Second of all, he has an evil alter ego. And third of all, he can't be bargained with. He doesn't feel pity or remorse after he killed her. He NEVER loved her.

​@@laurapreslar2751Okay, maybe I spelled her name wrong. But I'm sorry, but which movie did you watch?

You got that right for your fan fiction Story my Friend!

I never watched Dumbo, but from the synopses I have read I don't know if I want to - the same with Bambi...

Aladdin does released the Genie at the end through and I understand Al wanting to lie considering they social backgrounds

@@loonytunescrazyhe is also a thief. Who knows what he has tanked from others. Sure bread but his money was more than happy to grab anything shiny.

There is a podcast called The villains were right. It's great.

I always think that people forget that Ms Darbus was listening the entire time

Thank you! It doesn’t make sense to have them on this list!

Which one do you mean?

@@kristofferrasmussen1026 the one that plays when he's telling Koda about his mom

@@kristofferrasmussen1026 No Way Out I believe it's called. It's when Kenai tells Koda how he killed his mother.

The Other Characters Were Real Jerks, Like Mr Potato Head From Toy Story, The Elephants From Dumbo

​@@aldovega2000especially Mr. Potato Head

They look like child abuse to me.

It is! It's kinda creepy....

Yeah, well ta be honest when it comes ta Hook, I'D WANNA FINNISH THE JOB!!!

Scares Babies

I do understand what Simba went through, but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with his choices and actions.

​@@sarahsims6164 that really makes no sense as with Simba its not just a simple get over it

Some people think that Simba going through some PTSD.

@@anthonypena5046 It is not only what some people think, it is clearly shown that he still has nightmares about Mufasa's death when he's an adult.

I think it’s a little unfair to put characters like Aladdin, Woody, and Kuzco on the list.

Me too. Even Buzz Lightyear lampshaded in the second movie. Buzz Lightyear: And did he give up when you threw him out of the back of that moving van ? Mr. Potato Head: (Ashamed) Oh, you had to bring *that* up !

Although Toy Story 1 Is My Favorite Pixar Movie, I See Mr. potato Head as a jerk too

Actually, we can see in a flashback scene in a sequel that the prince was older than just 11 years old when they were cursed.

@@Furienna I know, that makes the whole thing unlogical because they ware set to be cursed for 10 years.

@@waltertalked6689 But it was never stated that the curse would last ten years. Some people have only taken Lumiere's line about "ten years of rusting" and assumed that it was how long they had been cursed.

Maleficent was actually playing the role of the Greek goddess Eris, whom was not invited to the wedding of Peleus and Thetis (the parents of Achilles) for her troublemaking inclinations. Out of spite she tossed into the party the Apple of Discord meant to go to the fairest one. Zeus appointed Paris to decide whom the apple should go to and because Aphrodite tempted him with Helen, Paris gave Aphrodite the apple and the war that followed led to the loss of his city state.

No way you defending her cursing a baby......

Agree 100%! That's why she's my least favorite character.

Abuela isn't a villain at all. You seem to forget her backstory and how she had to start leading a community on the same day as she gave birth to triplets and watched her husband get murdered.

@@Furienna I haven’t forgotten her backstory and her actions are understandable, but that doesn’t mean they are excusable. She prioritized preserving her family’s miracle and wasn’t supportive of her family’s desires and dreams. Worst of all, she treated Mirabel like a second class citizen and saw her as a threat to her family’s miracle just because she never got a gift. She had the best of intentions, but they led to devastating consequences. This makes her a villain by default.

@@michaelmonthey5974 No, it doesn't. It seems to me that you haven't put yourself into her situation, where she carried a trauma and the responsibility to keep everybody in the Encanto safe at the same time. And it made her think that her family didn't have the luxury to ignore their duties, because she thought their magic protection from new attacks depended on it. And she didn't know what to do with Mirabel except worrying about that she would end up hurting the miracle somehow and try to make sure that she didn't cause any trouble.

@@Furienna But the psychological toll she put on Mirabel led to trouble. She may not be villainous in nature, her domineering actions toward her family were.

I get why Imelda felt so strongly about that, but...jeez, lady, if it's the life of one of your descendants at stake, let it go!

​​​​@@PhoenixRising87It is more complex than that though since Imelda believed that Miguel would be in trouble even after his death if he didn't stop playing music. Because we find out that in this story, you need to be remembered in the world of the living after you die or you will die the final death. And I can see how Imelda would think that everything would be fine if Miguel just returned to his family and conformed to their rules and stopped having his dreams.

@@Furienna I get being hurt, but at that point, if your GRANDSON WILL DIE if he doesn't get back to the living world by sunrise, it's time to swallow your pride and do the right thing. Imelda was just hardheaded; for all her talk about family coming first, her actions don't suggest her actually putting the family first.

@@PhoenixRising87 Again, it is actually about her trying to save him from losing his family and possibly being alone even after death. Of course, she is very misguided until she finally sees how wrong she has been for almost a century, but still, it was her way of protecting Miguel.

Yeah, but the Disney version is still leagues more heroic than his original literary counterpart.

​@matthewescudero4287 in the original, he killed the lost boiz

Abuela isn't a villain at all. You seem to forget her backstory and how she had to start leading a community on the same day as she gave birth to triplets and watched her husband get murdered.

I showed this a movie to my mother for this very reason, how we often justify people's behaviours, just because they had a traumatic life. Yes, she lost her husband, but wasn't the first, nor the last one. She was so obsessed with Encanto she treated Mirabelle like a pariah, just because she didn't have useful powers she could utilise to meet her selfish needs. Everyone suffers because of her unsolved trauma and Bruno is affected the most. She is cruel and her redemption? A total joke. :/ Characters in Encanto are far too good to her.

@@Furienna listen, a trauma is a difficult thing, But it doesn't change the fact she treated EVERYONE instrumentally, hated Mirabel for not having powers she could utilise to her ideology (she's like a guru of a sect) and caused Bruno to separate himself from the family and becoming a taboo for the whole family. If you justify her actions just because she had it tough in the past maybe we should start to exonerate killers, because more often than not they had a traumatic past. Many people deal with trauma and yet they are not turning into obsessive monsters like Abuela did. Her grandchildren should not suffer the way they do, just because grandma had it tough in life at one time.

@@marikothecheetah9342 Abuela believed that her family had been chosen by the miracle to serve the community and protect them. But it was never what she wanted if she'd been given any choice as she only wanted to live with Pedro and raise the triplets in their house in the old town. However, that was never meant to be. And she thought that all the Madrigals had to adapt to their roles in the Encanto for everybody's survival and not because she had any selfish motives. The men who killed Pedro in front of her eyes are the murderers and not her, so please do everybody a favor and stop comparing her to murderers. She's not a monster either, but a poor war trauma victim who did the best that she could in the situation that I don't even want to imagine. It is not true either that Abuela hated Mirabel because she had no gift, but she would have been terrified that Mirabel would endanger everybody's safety. That is what she thought that Bruno had seen and what had made him "disappear" from his family. And it also was Bruno's own decision to hide behind the walls for ten years, and he could have made several different other choices. That is clear to me, so I don't get why people think that his mother or his family forced him into the walls with pitchforks... Do you know which Disney character really did act like a guru of a sect and used his subjects for his own gain and even did attempt to murder someone? King Magnifico from "Wish"! But for I don't know what reason, people keep finding dumb excuses for him and giving him the sympathy that Abuela Madrigal should be getting. Likewise, they seem to put all the anger that King Magnifico deserves on her and I don't get how the world got turned upside down...

@@Furienna "And she thought that all the Madrigals had to adapt to their roles in the Encanto for everybody's survival and not because she had any selfish motives." - no! Absolutely not! Thinking you and your family is uber special is not selfish - at all. :D She dictated everyone's life and there were no exceptions. A great examples of these is Isabella, who is forced to marry a guy she doesn't love, just for the sake of Abuela's skewed perception of reality. I'm gonna repeat myself again, even though I am probably wasting my time: people go through all different kind of trauma and yet they do not force their families to drag it with them. Her children and her grandchildren don't even know why they are forced to do the things they do. And when Mirabel's younger brother is ready to receive the gift everybody panics, because he might be treated like Mirabel: useless. Abuela is straight up cruel at times to Mirabel and that doesn't sit well with me. "It is not true either that Abuela hated Mirabel because she had no gift, but she would have been terrified that Mirabel would endanger everybody's safety. " - Oh, you missed so much during the ceremony of her younger brother. Mirabel isn't even invited to the ceremony, she silently stands behind everybody else, and when Abuela notices her she pulls even further. She is terrified of her own grandmother. :/ "That is what she thought that Bruno had seen and what had made him "disappear" from his family. And it also was Bruno's own decision to hide behind the walls for ten years, and he could have made several different other choices." - Oh, so the song: "We don't talk about Bruno" is manifestation of their love and support for him? Really? :/ Abuela found it comforting that Bruno disappeared - how is this even justifiable? If Bruno was a criminal, thief of whatever - then yes, ostracising him would be justified. But all he did was to foretell things, and not always good. And of course people remembered only the bad ones. And Abuela, being obsessed with her imaginary role as a guardian of the community (guru's do the same) did everything to make him disappear. Your justification of her character because she lost her home and her beloved husband is what makes it so difficult for survivors of generational psychological trauma to be believed and finding understanding. They are said to suck it up, because their parents or grandparents had it difficult. Understanding does not equal allowing for abuse and that's what Abuela is doing - abusing her family for her own skewed perception of what the candle meant. She turned the candle into a sacred object, which was more important than lives of the people. Abuela should have told their children, when they grew up, what happened, why Encanto is so important to her. People did all the things, not really knowing what it was all about (except for Abuela repeating nonsensically: We need to protect this community, but no reason given) and they felt the strain of her constant demand to deliver everything best. Everybody eventually snapped or broke emotionally because of her relentless demands of keeping Encanto perfect. I can understand her pain, but that doesn't justify her being so cruel to her family. Just like a person's crappy upbringing doesn't justify them hurting their children. I will repeat it again (again probably to no avail): if we justify people's behaviour just because they had a traumatic past then we should never lock up killers in the first place, we should understand their trauma and let them do what they do. Because you definitely justify what Abuela did, so what's the damn difference? :/ I haven't watched Wish, and you may be right, but from what I've learned about Wish he exhibits one behaviour typical to the sect guru, while Abuela depicts another. They do not exclude each other.