good one lol

Jun could not resist helping him out become easier.

He went too hard to the point jun was absent in the canon story for 20 plus years

By that logic Heihachi is harder, because he made Kazuya AND Lars

Dorya

Paul has good tracking

@@jimjim435 It's okay but those moves are so well known and he has such a reputation that most players with a decent amount of experience can anticipate a lot of them.

You need to learn back,side step , back wave dash and you will eliminate all of that

Also a Paul main! When I play Steve mains, I try to out-time them. Read their jabs and try to df2 them, or Demo Man when they leave themselves open. On my channel, I have a vid of me playing a decent Steve. It’s all about timing and trying to refrain from being predictable. And yeah, every Steve main I play takes advantage of me every single time I throw out a qcb 4 lol.

@@lawscrubYeah I do that most of the time and it's usually not an issue but sometimes you run into that one guy.

You can reliably sw to the left to beat like 90% of kazuya's neutral. If what you're saying is true then 1 of 4 scenarios are happening 1 He's locked you behind heavy plus frames and you shouldn't sw 2 You're side stepping instead of walking 3 You try to punish too early and extend your hitbox so the sweep catches you 4 The kazuya mixes his timing and realings with you using wavedash before going for the hellsweep

@@vasvro3460 It's about okizeme. I don't know how much plus Kazuya has on every type of knocking me out. But I also cannot just lay one the ground because of pendal. So it's always a choice between getting flipped on the ground or got clipped by hell sweep because i don't have enough frames to side walk after getting up

That’s a timing thing

@@VladislavSnegurov Try to tech roll to the Left and immediately move to the Left ... I get caught sometimes but this is helpful...that and staying in the ground

Curious to see what they do with him

​@@progsteEvery move will be an unbreakable launching RA.

Makes me start to respect Kuma for once

I hope so lol. I play Kuma and Heihachi, so getting the best of both worlds would be, while strange, an interesting crossover.

​@@Its_PizzaTime Kuma's rageart is gonna summon Heihachi's ghost like a fucking stand 😂

Something nobody brings up is that theres so many kinds of execution and many struggle and excel at different kinds I can time elecs, but my sf6 luke is garbage cuz i suck at timing button releases for perfect flash knuckles, and theres apparently some pros who can barely execute charge moves, so ye, guess tmm cant do akumas bs well

its called muscle memory.

I'm literally going through that same thing

@@HELLRAISER02 I can do Leo KNK cancels relatively easy, but i cant play mishimas because my finger gets tired after a few matches and i fail the electrics. not sure whats going on but thats how it is.

@@desgyulabalogh3429 well if crouchdashes tire yo fingers out then yeah, mishikas arent for you, tho if you csn do leo cancels thats cool cuz i barely know that char

Who ?

​@@parthsinghdeopa2224 He's jabbing at TMM

@@UltimateBallaPOM Ohh now I got it LOL !!!

I would put lucky chloe in his top 5. Akuma is literally top 5 hardest to play. Yes he got cheese but still extremely technical.

If you have learnt the execution then kazuya has the most basic gameplan in tekken.. mainman will try anything to get you thinking otherwise

​@@seed8325Bro exactly Kazuya is basically just 50/50 and some hard combo but not the hardest. He'll do anything to make sure his main doesn't get nerfed 💀

just adding another reply over an edit to expand: Steve, whilst he relies heavily on fundamentals, he's always in control of the match. He limits how you can effectively approach him, even more so than Lee. High crushing lows and mids usually aren't safe and you're basically giving him free chip for an opportunity to apply your offense to him. If you approach conventionally, you risk getting CH launched. Thank goodness his punishment isn't stellar and he has no hopkick. Kazuya is difficult (for all reasons u mentioned) but his gameplan is still incredibly simple and if you can work out a way to land a single hellsweep, you can turn the entire match around in your favour. Jin on the other hand, I've never seen a single high-level, high ranking, pro or not, pick up and play him and collect free wins. Not one. He's a struggle character for everyone until you get some experience and that's because of his hidden weaknesses. He's an offensive, poke oriented character with shitty range and he can't really stick to you once he gets the hit either unless you're at the wall. Single backdash and SSR/SWR/SSRD blow up the braindead offense, so you have to use the phantom frames from some of his strings, UF2 or parry as a deterrent to try to stick to your opponent for pressure. You have to always be condition your opponent against a few things to earn your offense and you have to use your entire move list to do it, literally. His fast pokes don't give good frames unless you commit to a unsafe follow up, and so you rely on F4, which is slower and linear. A lot of people think you can win with Jin by relying on his keep out and that's how they lose. The keep out is mediocre and you actually have to do the creative conditioning to get consistent wins. That's why he's hard.

@@Civil206very interesting comment because I’d say xiaoyu controls the match better than Steve and no one controls the match better than a high level asuka . Asuka must be hell for Steve players

@@wisdomseeker0142 Asuka can be annoying but a lot of her moves have very clear weaknesses unlike Steve. Even Steve’s worst lows are still only -12.

Nah. Kazuya 100% over Jin. Kazuya's is simpler in terms of what you have to do but Jin has all the tools and they are EASY to use. You can be good with Jin without ever using electrics for example. He doesn't really need them. Kazuya without electric is a neutered non character at that point. He cannot exist without the electric. Just like dragunov is a non character without D2 or wr2. Which is why dragunov is bottom tier as they nerfed both into oblivion.

I play two of the characters in tmm list and i also play yoshi. Yoshimitsu is without a doubt the harder one of them to play by alot actually. Yoshi has a bit easier execution. But character dept and knowledge is just on another level. You literaly dont need alot of knowledge to play kazuya. Its pure execution mostly. If you are good at execution then you can play kazuya pretty well already. However i think people just overestimate the the complexity of mishimas. Jin is different, but rest are just pretty basic honestly.

Yeah jin is just a different kind of difficulty compared to kazuya's

Jin is harder since his combos are much more complex and variated compared with Hei and Kaz, which are much more straightforward and simpler.

​@@Madheim777That's a really bad reason "Jin combos are harder because you have to think more and that's why he's harder than Kaz or hei" Jin's combos are not complex, he just has more wall-carry. The argument here would be that Jin's combos don't have a universal staple you have to do different stuff for every combo. You clearly don't play Kazuya because he's the same. Jin's combos are not complex in any way, shape or form. I play Jin and I can easily convert into the most damaging staple. Devilster does it, it's not hard you do get used to his attacks you have the whole arsenal in your mind. Why am I even trying to explain just watch the video and you'll understand.

You are biased.

@@ScrambledEggAbdullah calm down bro. Im actually a Kazuya main, just didn't explain myself properly. It was just an opinion, and if im wrong at least i prefer a proper explanation of why, without having to criticise me that harsh.

This community deslikes kazuya and always tries to gaslight us.. But they are beta males and sheep while we're lions, we should not bother about their opinion 🐑

Well you gotta be objective while making tier lists there is no room for biases. I main Jin he’s hard but I won’t go too far and call him the hardest in the game. He’s not Lee for example.

Most of them are butt hurt scrubs. It's always the same low skilled casuals.

​@@doublejacketjimmy391Jin is harder than Lee wtf are you smoking Lee is challenging but he's barely top 10

is it reliable though? I have seen it but looks like it suffers from the same problems of doing his slide 50/50

@@ronoronoronorono Well, since we're talking about character difficulty and this being Lee stuff, it won't be that reliable until you really got the hang of its execution and usage.

FightingGM never once stopped being the best Lee.

Ayo is he better than fighting gm?

Lets not forget Imyourdaddy

I'm in the same boat as you

I play devil Jin and it’s all b3 uf3 f3 etc Lmao

He is harder than Steve imo. I main Steve and only play these two characters. Steve has a lot of pressure tools and is easier to play because he's safe. A lack of good lows and standing launchers make him hard to open people up tho

@@angelotaylor1315 They are polar opposites but whenever i switch from Steve to kazuya it is way easier with Kazuya imo.

The difference I think is that steve can be played very safe without much care for frames or learning matchups, most of his strings are safe, and he has arguably the best ch launcher in the game which can just be thrown out for free usually. Kazuya on the other hand has to change his gameplan drastically depending on who he is fighting, he is also very unsafe and doesnt have pressure or pokes, so relies on whiff punishing and block punishing. Its not a matter of execution but gameplan imo.

@@reebul8768 I think it depends. I have more fun playing chaotic with Kazuya. Steve isn't as fun unless I spam df2. B1 is boring too. I think the vortex makes it easier to force situations

@@kingenfuuken Yeah. The Kazuya gameplan is really whiff punish and blocking. What platform do you play on?

Kuni, Zafina, Feng, Marduk, Katarina. Probably :D

@@basione Don't forget Asuka and Leroy too

He's the #1 Lei hater as well so he'd likely put Lei in there somehow too. Such a shame too because Lei is actually ridiculously hard to master

@@scottiecurrie7927yea right razor rush into mix wow so hard

@@scottiecurrie7927 lei is just bullshit lay on the ground mix easy wins

in green rank maybe, they get countered so hard and you have to adapt while trying not to miss your execution which can get you combo’d for half your health if you miss just once, your neutral is hard you have no panic moves.

Bro, he literally explains it in the first 3 fucking minutes of the video

Their limited moveset contributes to their difficulty. Everyone KNOWS what you're trying to do as a Mishima. Unless you're a SUPER unorthodox player, green ranks will be hard for you because you're just learning the character, and the later ranks will be hard because most of the good players know how to deal with textbook Kaz, DJ, and Heihachi already.

@@OzirV1000 For eg i am good at punishing,spacing,Poking etc and now suddenly I decide to learn and play heihachi,the hard part is that I need to master the electrics and wavedash pressure..The rest are just his fundamental tool that require no execution.

did you not watch the video my guy?

There are so much more Kazuya out there than Akuma online. You only really ever see Akuma in the highest tier of game matches. Need to further define what "Hardest" means here. Kazuya is easy to get into hard to master. Look at how many green ranked Kazuya's there are.

In my opinion Akuma is definitely harder than bryan..

@@S0M3GUY778 ok, try to get it down. its much harder than being able to spam an electric and get away with it

@@S0M3GUY778not even knee can get down akuma. You have to live and breath akuma and have better execution than knee to get down akumas staples. I have only faced one akuma in like 6 years who can do his shit consistent.

@@S0M3GUY778 My guy, you cannot tell me that spamming electrics are way more harder than inputting an EX move. Have y'all forgot that you also need to input the forward direction TWICE to cancel that move into a regular combo? Lmfao.

i feel like kaz has the damage advantage you hit a df2 seconds into the round and theyre getting balcony broken for 70% then back to the wall😃

Same, jin main here but the amount of freedom I got with Kaz hit different. I don't think I necessarily won more with him but when I did win it felt easier. The damage i was performing and how I gained and maintained momentum was more guaranteed than when I played as Jin. Leading to me oppressing my opponents more often.

Thats probably youre in lower ranks and there, hellsweep is all you need with Kazuya

@@Alex-Omega idk if ur talking to me but it was not just ranks. It was with friends too.

agree 100% as a kaz main. Dvj after nerfs is just hard because he is trash

Just picked up Leo recently and she’s amazing Been having a blast with that character

No he'll sweep should launch on neutral.

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 kzfaq.info/get/bejne/hdWPlq6Cur-RZ4E.html (at 1:20). This is what I've seen that would indicate hellsweep doesn't launch anymore

I played jin in cnt and I had a blast. Sure I miss old zen cancelling but it is still there in tekken 8, just way harder

Imo the best way to enjoy him, is to just ignore everything he says about mishimas. I do enjoy his content with this rule

@@RamyASMR Mishima players are something else

Same@@RamyASMR

He always downplays Kazuya. He’s far from weak. Every character is hard when utilized to the max.

It's a legacy input that is unecessarily tricky. There's a lot of awkward inputs that need to be executed really quickly. It's made easier in Tekken 8 for at least Law

@@Brainzzz123 how is it tricky? you hold down and then tap forward twice, it's not harder than doing ff2

Then again you also have to understand that he doesnt really have a while standing launcher thats good (Yes his WS3 , 1+2 is a WS launcher but its 18 frames). His hell sweep only knocks down on counterhit or on the 2nd hit of the sweep. Also he does have to play defence as well because he's still at -1 or -3 at most when using his DF1,1 or his 1,1 which means a jab will beat his jab which means you're now +8 no? I get that he has cheese but to say that he isn't hard is untrue compared to the rest of the cast.

This has to be a troll

@@YoshiSenX1 if you think being -1 to -3 means you have to play defensive then you don't understand Tekken. At those frames you can sidestep 99% of i13 or faster moves, therefore your opponent cannot check you and you are in a RPS situation. It just becomes a mind game. Hei has an i18 ws launcher and one of the best i13 ws punishers in the game (buffed from i14) so that point doesn't count. His hellsweep being weak doesn't make him "hard" either, that's an entirely separate point. In fact he can't check you with f3 after hellsweep without even having to think, so it actually simplifies his gameplay.

@@songoku6067 I'm 100% serious and I have the rank and experience to back it up.

@@mlao1333So a WS move in addition to another move that pairs with it that equals to probably 45 dmg is better than a WS launcher? Also being -1 to -3 is just me saying that yes there is pressure there but you can out jab him because he is minus 1 and you are plus 1 therefore yes you can get out of the situation. I get that they can side step but so can you. Just like you said at those frames you can side step 99% of i13 or faster moves so then using that logic you can side step heihachis jab strings no? And yeah his hell sweep being shit doesnt make him hard but playing him and using his tools effectively enough to get to the point of like Fujin or above is goin to be a lot harder than if you were to take a character like Anna or Nina or Claudio there. My point is that he is hard compared to the rest of the cast as to what he has to work with. He has pressure yes, thats the mind game. Also if you can't react to DB2 properly then idk

@@steponmeplease6217 I mean that's my take, I main bryan and kazuya, i have started play jin 1 year ago and have much more difficult time with him than kazuya but you can disagree with me. no problem ^^

​@@BillyVorkutaAs someone who's main team was Kazuya and Jin, and then Jin and Armor King in Tag 2, and now being a Bryan main in T7, I think you're both partly correct. Jin at face value seems easier to play than Kazuya because he has a way more diverse arsenal and can be played in a number of different ways. Kazuya is a defensive vortex powerhouse that really excels at one particular playstyle. Like me, you started with Kazuya first, which is why you're probably having so much trouble with Jin. I'll add that I think Kazuya is harder than Bryan, but for me it's hard to say because I'm a way better Tekken player now than I am back then. I have a lot of success with Bryan and have completely dropped Kaz in T7.

Hahaha kiss my ass Yoshi is hard NOTTTTTT

Lmao

Her and Katarina are hell to learn

You mean iws2?

Are B+4 and FF+2 not good mids? Genuine question

df1, bf2, ff2 are better mids than anything kazuya has

@@CobraKaiLidia Im talking about his 50/50 its not as good as kazuyas even if he has a launching hellsweep

@@sliceog710 idk man, launching hellsweep is pretty hard to argue with, and you can adjust the combo from his hellsweep to give good oki. I'll admit the mid options are weaker than Kaz's but he still has FF2 and B4 which is nothing to scoff at

People just underestime how miserable of an experience it can be in Tekken 7 to play a character with D- counter hit game Its why Lars and Drag are one of the harder/hardest characters in 7

@@qweqweqwadcsc Precisely, Lars counter hits are locked behind a slow ff move, a launch punishable low, a full crouch and his stances, all of which are either risky or slow, allowing people to jab him out of. In the ideal world, people use movement to make opponent whiff to punish, block big moves to punish but online is so different and spammy characters get away with everything if your character has poor CH game.

@@zackong2800 thanks my man, you actually get it Its why I moved back to 5DR, 6 and Tag2

Lars is just really bad 😂

IF he didnt have fast CH options i would say he is as difficult as ppl claim. If only he wasn't overtuned lol

@@ferventfoureyes yeah literally everything on bryan is a frame trap with abc 123 easy mode inputs. If bryan wants to win, do a hatchet kick. His optimal combos arent even remotely difficult and he has the most simple gameplan ever that works the same against every character on the roster. Only difficult about Bryan is his taunt which i dont even think is vital. Also, he’s literally just as safe as steve

He is one of the safest characters in the game, his tracking is over the top, he has arguably the best low in the game, top 10 wall carry, over the top damage, everything counter hits, plus frames on block and top of all that he has taunt. I've seen many people reach to tg without doing taunts and when you remove taunt, there's nothing left for him to be considered hard. He's far from being a hard character at this state.

​@@HououinKyouma.agreed, taunt is almost never used in a real game in a scenario that requires godlike execution. The most you need is taunt B+4 which is relatively easy, and for taunt baiting counter hits, which is more timing than execution. The rest of Bryan's gameplan is CH baiting. Taunt Jet Upper is just not practical at most levels

@@kemalerdemsahin410 100% correct man. Again, i still dont think taunt is even a necessary tool needed to win anyways. Even at god prime, NO bryan does it. It’s honestly a joke atp

Online scrub correcting the pro player lol

@@udontwannaknowmyname2303 is he a pro??? he didint eve win a single torna... bullshit

@@bevlade5734 he did compete so he is

@@udontwannaknowmyname2303 compete but lost... i rather prefer fightinggm analysis of hardest char... mainman is very biased in his char,,,

Full roster is already leaked and confirmed, Lee is in it

What confirmed list are you looking at, cause I don't see him on any Tekken 8 roster lineups@@VermillionGates

Only Kazuya is. MM is biased cuz he mains Mishima 😂

Not sure if you run a pad or a stick, but pulling off those mist step cancels on a D-pad is nightmare fuel if you don't have a calloused thumb lmfao

@@keithparker865 I run pad, maybe I do have a caloused thumb cause I find mist step cancels way easier than wave dash and 2d inputs

Yeah anakin is insane

yeah for real poking with jack proves more effective than finding ways to combo lmao

Yeah if you're the perfect player you only need to learn his moves lol...

What rank are you with Jin?

You dont even need to do the gangster punish with the old man anymore Crouch cancel a stagger low into EWGF

Its not and kaz's ff3/hellsweep is WAAAAY stronger than heihachi's db2/demon uppercut. TMM is actually dumb af

ff3 has to be the worst sidestepable move ever. A jab tracks better than that. Demon uppercut is almost homing u scrub

@@omargholam2514 damn, no need to be so salty tho, was genuinely asking. To be fair, many people rarely sidestep these moves correctly like Chloes cali roll, that's why many of the characters are catalogued as "cheap" or "scrubby". Or people that forget to duck certain high strings on reaction... So you can get away with a LOT of stuff in tekken that on paper is weak or easily avoidable, just saying. It's like Kazuyas df2, someone like you, hell, even I would say it's a good move but flawed since you can get punished, but I rarely get punished when I play Kazuya and throw it out, I lose my turn of course but it's still one of the greatest counterhit tools in the game.

yeah, im trying to learn nina and i just drop it every time from the execution barrier on the ss cancels Edit: if someone wanna teach me how to play her im down to learn!

Yeah but only in top level. That doesn't count for us. So she doesn't belong at all in 5 most difficult champions

@@joulphil8695even at high ranks as well (emperor at least and beyond) and if Nina doesn’t belong then this list is for ruler ranks and below tbh

She's only hard at pro level. And maybe at the very highest online ranks. At any other ranks it's just free wins from mashing

It's only at pro level, you can still reach high ranks with Nina with spammable strings and abusing that most people don't know the match up, and you can get so easily away with her and still climb to TGP with no big effort compare to other characters.

I remember him saying that having a lot of moves makes your character easier because you have more options and you can knowledge check but this doesn't apply to Jin for some reason lmao

Masku

Masku

Masku

For oki Hei is better

Heihachi's game plan doesnt require good lows, he makes you not want to duck so his lows become free. He has a ton of pressure and amazing frames on his mids and highs, kazuya does not. Kazuya is a defensive character, Heihachi is an offensive character. Its silly to make a comparison like that.

You don’t compare hei to kaz that’s just stupid. Anyway it’s not gonnna change anything

His electric is more lenient which means you can either skip the neutral or the down, those btw are the inputs for perfect electric. Doing electric with those inputs is not easy and also these inputs can not be combined with movement, because you‘ll get df2. So that’s the reason you want to learn how to do the traditional input, which in my opinion is easier.

@@mohamedtanakim5901with crossup kazuya one is 10x easier

King is legit super hard in pro play, tho

Devil Jin definitely isn’t harder atleast in my opinion I can’t poke or do shit with Bryan or it’s maybe because I’ve been playing Mishima for a long time

And then the flowchart exists

@@21Handguns there is a huge difference between the Kazuya I once had and the one I have now..Please check the date of uploads before commenting

@@ironfistgaming77 this video came out 2 hours ago, and your comment came out 1 hour ago. I highly doubt what you said lmfao, nice failed troll

bros genbu lmao

@@omargholam2514 do you even know how to play Mishima🤣

Lowest*

But has the worst hitbox of all.

Akuma is literally easy

​@@kotasake As demonstrated by TMM in this very video.

@@kotasake 🧢akuma is hardest

Im an akuma main with all the big boi execution and everyone always says its easy. I say okay screenshare me on steam and do the combo I landed.... Silence or excuses every time

you definitely have a point i think tmm is solely referring to offline supermajor gameplay where to maximize the characters potential requires execution. but yea online every character including kazuya can use more braindead options

@@vanillafella4893 Very true. Because of the knowledge check nature of the game, it varies by character how long those easier/braindead options remain viable. Some seem to be able to get away with that stuff all the way till TGP.

​@@AarniJoakimWhich is why, as a Paul main, I think he's actually one of the harder characters to play online once you're at a certain level. His mixup reputation is notorious but after six years, most people can see that stuff coming from a mile away.

@@seanyoung9014 I can totally see that. Adjusting the gameplan to a safer and more fundamental one might be worth a try at that point.

​@@AarniJoakimAbsolutely. People tend to make mistakes and beat themselves when you start to play Paul defensively in the middle of a match. His basic fundamentals are the most dangerous moves he has lol.

What rank is your Bryan ? And whom do you main?

TJU is not broken, considering half of the cast has a generic DF 2 launcher. Just because you're eating these attacks don't mean they're broken.

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612tju isnt broken because its hard just like df2 pewgf. But all those easy taunt follow ups are broken af honestly he is overtuned.

@omargholam2514 all those easy taunts follow ups. Lmao then by your logic every unreactable hellsweep broken since they launch on neutral. It's such a bullshit mentality being selective with broken mechanics ics

@@fullmotivatedgamer8612 Crying about Bryan's Taunt is honestly of the stupidest things I've ever seen in this community.

So what makes Kazuya cheap in your opinion? Omg he has an electric and his damage is really high from an unsafe mid ch launcher, oh he also have hellsweep which gives him oki, like no other character can do this from the roster, but 100 times better and easier.

Shaheen is pretty scrubby, tf are you on about lol?

@@littylit444 what's scrubby shit Shaheen? What can you abuse with shaheen. Everything with him is mediocre

@@ForEducationalPurposesOnly Mf said Shaheen is scrubby. Wtf is this

@@wildman7220 literally the first person I ever heard say that. Dude is the most honest, generic moveset in the game

The *SCRUBBIEST* thing you can do with Shaheen is Whiff Hopkick into Hopkick again. Slide could maaaybe be considered cheese, but Slide isn't Kazuya Hellsweep where landing one is stacking advantage. You land one Slide and congratulations, there is no advantage at all, you are back in neutral. Shaheen is straight up honourable Tekken, full stop. If Shaheen, Lee, or Kazumi beat you, they just beat you. I don't know if I can say that about any other characters.