*casually mentions deadlift 405lbs* what a gigachad

I played Street Fighter with stick since SF4 days and swapped to leverless about six weeks ago. It took a bit, but I now feel my leverless play surpasses my stick play. The biggest tip I would give someone making the switch is to practice a small amount every day. For me, it was an hour split across training mode (to relearn my BnBs) and arcade mode (to train against an erratic opponent). If you find something hard to do, practice it a little then move on and try it again the next day. I dunno if it's brain pathways building over night or what, but I usually came back the next day able to do the input with much less difficulty. If you get bored with the hour a day of practice, use the time to try playing as other characters. There's no reason you can't do both, and the variation in movement types will train you on leverless that much faster.

Another great vid! And very helpful tips, thank you! #5 is especially important. I got my leverless last week and have been frustrated at how much I was bumbling things. Just have to keep at it, I guess!

For p2 side. Depending on the motion, rolling your wrist helps with quarter circles. roll your wrist and you can keep your two fingers stationary. It helps if your struggling to input qc, dqc, and dp motion.

This is good advice for beginners. I’ve been a leverless user since 2018 and one of the biggest pieces of advice I can give is just get used to moving. Walking, dashing, jumping etc. Get used to using your hands for that. Another hurdle people run into is a lot of times they don’t know how to use the jump button in the sense of which hand it should be designated to. This does boil to personal preference but the way I do it that may be useful is if it something specifically movement oriented (jumping for example) then my left thumb will hit it but if it’s for tech (say tiger knee inputs or certain Tekken moves) then my right thumb will usually hit the button. It took me a few weeks to be comfortable just doing things and about a year for real proficiency. There are a lot of benefits but understand like anything else it does have a learning curve

I’ve been on hitbox since 2015. I cannot express enough how CRAZY it is to see that it’s been accepted and further built upon in the community. Hitbox gang has come a long long way 😢

What a great teacher! I tend to try to use the shortcut for dp as hold 6, tap 4+2, release 4+2 for the DP as it seems to work in most games :)

Your channel is criminally underrated. I just jumped into leverless and I am experiencing the very thing you are saying because I train with weight and play bass, but atill struggle with the ring finger, but I am enjoying the ride. Great vid as always.

Thanks for this, I've been practicing for three weeks now, I'm coming along! One thing I've been doing with inputs is practicing the movements before bed and when I wake up without even turning the game on. Helped me get down the basic dp motion, then I could speed it up whenever I do play.

What a convenient time, I picked up a Razer Kitsune two days ago and have just begun my leverless journey. It’s quite the trip for sure, thanks so much for the video

It took me around 1 month to start getting comfortable playing with my hitbox controller. The most challenging motion was double quarter circle back. I sat everyday in the training room with my coffee and some music to practice this motion in particular. I agree you should learn every motion from both sides, and also from standing and from sitting + block position. The first week is very hard, and very frustrating. Keep at it, after that it will just keep on getting easier and funnier.

I've been playing with arcade stick since '92. So there just to much muscle memory there, but I get my cross-up today.👍

Just picked up a snackbox a week ago and needed this advice, thank you !!

As someone who just got the new controller and is struggling with my ring finger, this was very helpful. Thank you, just the video I needed.

I'd add that when you do start adding shortcuts it can seem daunting because of so many options. The best way to filter the shortcuts is to pick ones that feel the most intuitive vs full retrains of a motion and it isn't uncommon to input one type of move multiple ways.

great videos as always bro

That's a good tip to learn from crouching as well as standing. Great video!

Fantastic video!

Been practicing for 2 days now and wow it’s so hard to adjust but I won’t give up. Thanks for the tips!

Just got my first ever leverless controller last Saturday and I love it but I am definitely still learning. Does anyone else's palms sweat profusely while using these leverless controllers? I have seriously considered putting a towel underneath my hands to soak up the sweat, it's disgusting. Any tips on hand sweat and cleaning leverless controllers?

I just got myself a leverless controller because I tried doing an EWGF in TKN 8 with my keyboard. The feeling I got when I executed the move I was thinking about was amazing! It is the same feeling I had when I was a kid learning how to play on an arcade machine. Thank you for the tips. I don’t expect to make progress fast or keep my current rank. I am just looking forward to all of the eureka moments on learning the motions and executions.

Ty, subscribed

After 20 plus years playing exclusively Tekken, I began playing 2d fighters and leverless with SF6, and so far the experience has been slow, but great. There are many things I still can't do consistently (mostly tight timing combos into supers and NOT doing the 2nd level Blanka super while trying to get electricity from crouch), but overall I feel changing to leverless has been the best choice I've ever taken for fighting games. My left ring finger betrays me from time to time, but overall the control of my character have been increasing noticeably, in direct oposition to my experience with stick, wich for me was the absolute worst, for years. Leverless also surpases pad most of the time, although pad is better for World Tour mode.

I can recommend doing the beginners & intermediate combo trials. Been using that to train on keyboard

Very helpful video

I agree with all of this. The one thing that I would add is if you are interested in making the switch, just do it. I played on pad for years, and I wish I would've switched to stick and leverless sooner. It takes time to get used to any new thing, but a common thing I saw was people making it seem like it would take you months or years to make the switch. It is true that people learn and adapt at different speeds, but if you already have the fundamentals it's so much more intuitive than it may seem. The only regret I have is not getting a leverless years ago. I think stick is fun to use to mess around with, but it's not for me. After about 6 weeks of playing on leverless I feel like I'm solid. Now, the only issue is that I need to stop slacking and play more. I saw someone else say this channel is underrated an I agree with that too.

My Hitbox comes in tomorrow, I will use this video to improve. Thnx

My Snackbox Micro sat collecting dust for 7 months before I decided to dedicate more time to learning it. You are completely right in that it will one day "just click". Now I can't really play with the stick or pad anymore. With the stick, I find myself doing a jump LK a lot when I do a forward jump because I got so used to hitting two buttons on my levelerless 😂😂😂

3:16 bro I swear doing inputs on the 2 player side is harder. It definitely means i have weak fingers thanks for confirming

TBH, as someone started playing fighting games on a keyboard, the leverless controller is much easier to get into. Playing on Joysticks (arcade sticks or console controllers) will make many unintentional jumps around like an enraged kangaroo. I don' know how people can play on them on a professional level. Hitbox is much easier to use and more forgiving than a joystick.

I've been playing with pad only, but I have plans on switching for leverless soon, and the ring finger is actually my biggest concern when It comes to playing with one, but I hope that my time playing Black Desert Online where I used my left ring finger to do a lot of inputs and movements pays off, a lot of people say that who used to play fighting games in a keyboard has a easier adaptation to leverless, it is not a fighting game, but BDO had me having to do hours and hours of play time exercising my hand left fingers, so maybe this might help.

Great video though. I second all of these

Thank You for your video. I am getting haute42 t16, because I am playing on PS5 and it is more affordable as my 1st leverless.

I'm new to hitbox (2 days so far) and I was able to play it very well from the beginning. My friends keep on underestimating my 20 years playing both guitar and drums. I pretty much play Tekken on that thing as if I am playing a percussive instrument and of course I have great dexterity and stamina on my fingers. Playing an instrument will develop coordination, stamina, speed, flexibility and strength. You nailed that comment, and congrats about lifting that insane amount of weight!

some of this advice is just good fighting game advice thanks

1 month seems about the amount of time it takes to really get used to it. For the longest time, I would only use Hitbox on 3D fighters and stick for 2D but eventually I transitioned to Hitbox only.

Double taping on osu with pointer and ring finger worked to train my ring finger

I started hitbox a month ago. I’m a pad player at heart. Learned stick as well. The first 3-4 days was the worst for me. Players that couldn’t beat me was 10-0 me left and right. I’m sim so my main issue was those hcb inputs from 1p side. I still have issues with them. I also can’t cancel lights or mediums to supers from 2p side. End of the day, best thing I did was switch to hitbox.

I've been playing on stick for almost 11 years and just moved to leverless like a month or two ago. I tried doing Steve Fox's duck cancel and got it first try but there are definitely other things about leverless that are difficult such as the ring finger fatigue that you mentioned. I actually went to my first tournament last week and was using leverless and did a lot better than I thought I would. I'm focusing on tekken 8 for now but will move on to SF6 once Akuma has been released. Should also learn those 360 inputs cos I'm a Zangief main. P.S. Love your content, your KBD guide really helped me improve my gameplay, I never really focused on doing KBD back when I played on stick.

I’m a more experienced leverless player now like you but these are stuff I wish I had known sooner. One thing that’s helped me is slide inputs, especially for things like half circles, double half circles or GG super inputs, I used to struggle to drum my fingers consist and hit the right inputs, so I practiced literally sliding my fingers straight across and doing it combos and it become a lot more consistent. As a side bar, do you think it will be possible to play MK1 on leverless? Everyone I speak to seems think pad is the way to go

Thank you. I have had a leverless close to a month.. These tips make sense. I am struggling to go into supers from canceling crouching mp or mk. It is driving me crazy. Some people say you only have to use one diagonal motion others say you should input both. What is your preferred method for doin supers from crouching mp and mk?

I guess I'm technically on leverless now 'cause I just started learning how to play SF6 with a keyboard lol a lot of what you said also applies to my situation and I do find it very validating to know that the whole "doing back QCF's and playing on P2 side is literally impossible" situation isn't just something I'm experiencing. I've only been on keyboard a couple of days (mostly of necessity), but I really enjoy how snappy and responsive inputs feel. There's obviously a learning curve with getting used to where buttons are, but some things feel like second nature already and I can't wait to keep getting better.

I play on stick & to cheap to buy a leverless but I have been practicing on keyboard so I dont have to make an investment that doesnt work out. I setup my key bindings to be close to hitbox so if & when I make the switch it wont be hard to transition.

I've been using leverless/box for a few years now, and when asked for advice from those picking it up, I unironically recommend playing a game like Tetris (specifically Tetris effect) instead of a fighting game right away. It forces you to think about your movement, pressing 'up' is an instadrop so you only jump when you want it, it slowly ramps up the difficulty as you play, etc. Then once your movement feels right do I recommend people try learning motions as well.

The sooner you practice the 2p side the better. Tight timing like special to ca and half circle takes time and still hit or miss in a clutch moment... Abit frustrating at time but its so fun playing on hitbox and less harder on the wrist

I got a leverless controller and SF6 for Christmas and was dreading how hard it would be. Day 1 I couldn't stop banging my thumbs on the up button. Week 3 I hit Diamond with Blanka. However I still struggle with QCB P1 side or QCF P2 side because of exactly what you said regarding ring finger strength. Playing daily I saw small improvements constantly

The reason the learning curve is steep is because instead of one controller on your left hand with intuitive directions, you're split into four different buttons that your brain has to redevelop the muscle memory for before it becomes intuitive. Learning new stuff is slow. Recalling what you have already learned is second nature. If the controller is objectively better for execution, spending time to develop the muscle memory is going to be worth it.

I love how easy it makes dashing. Its hard with a stick to dash backwards/forwards, even on a thumbstick its weird. I can see why its optimal for many reasons, but ultimately just as preference I prefer stick. Its just very mechanically satisfying to use. Makes you feel a little more connected to the game and moves you're performing with the motions. Still, I use hitbox from time to time. Without question is the most comfortable, optimal way to play.

I've found I can only play leverless in newer games with lenient inputs, when I go play something like Ino in +R it's too difficult for me to hit every diagonal when I need to as opposed to stick (skill issue I know). In SF6 though the shortcuts you can utilize are straight up broken.

I don't really use shortcuts, but the only one I really use is the new SOCD cleaning for D + U = N. I tried for the life of me to do QCF/B motions with just my ring and middle finger, but it was too uncomfortable to the point where I felt like I was hurting myself in the long run. Once Capcom put the new SOCD rule in place I saw on a couple videos on how to perform QCF/B motions with the right thumb for D + U = N and it has saved my left hand's life. I could never do 2X QCF/B fast enough from the player 2 side doing it the traditional way and I don't think I can ever go back to trying it. It's not worth getting RSI. This is also coming from a guy who plays both piano and guitar from a young age. I can do some quick runs with my left hand on those instruments, but those movements are more dynamic than a leverless controller. Otherwise, great tips. I learned a lot from this video. Also, what are the SOCD cleaning rules for other fighting games? I was curious about that if I ever want to play another fighting game than Street Fighter. I can't really find any other info easily online.

I think one way another way to learn leverless and/or making it more fun to play is to use them in non-fighting games as well! In theory, any game that doesn't rely on the right stick of a controller can work. Being that I'm also a Tetris player outside of fighting games, I've been using my new Haute42 T13 with various Tetris games, such as Tetris 99, PPT2, Tetris Effect, and Tetrio. I'm ever so slightly faster now compared to when I was playing Tetris on an arcade stick, but with more time and practice, I'll be even faster hehe. I also heard games such as Hollow Knight, Hades, and Cuphead are also fun on leverless as well.

I played on keyboard with a hitbox layout for a bit before I bought a leverless... Between that and 20 years of playing guitar, the extra finger dexterity for sure is helping me learn faster. I recommend practicing with a keyboard first if you can with space as up, just to drill that into your head as soon as possible lol.

Just ordered one. Demoed with a keyboard first. All of these are relevant, especially the ring finger.

I’ve been using my lever less for over a year now. I’ll never go back. My favorite brand is junk food’s micro box but I just got razor’s Kitsune and I’m digging it. If you can get past the first couple weeks of learning you’ll never go back

A few things I think need to be added for newcomers. 1) Don't be afraid to shift your fingers around. Personally, no matter how hard I try, doing 2x QCF from player 2 side using my middle and ring fingers will never be as fast as if I slide my fingers over and use my index and middle fingers. Of course there are advantages and drawbacks to any finger shifting, so adjust accordingly for you and your game. 2) If you don't have a leverless controller yet, I highly consider one that has more buttons than the standard 4 directional + 8 face/attack ones. For example, some have an additional bottom button, to the left of the Up button. That can be assigned as a second Down button (or anything). But as a second down button, it would also help with my earlier example of the QCF from the player 2 side. The point is you'll have more configuration options.

Do you play more with your controller on a flat surface like a desk or on your lap? Does it matter much when learning how to use leverless as a beginner?

nothing but amazing im on my 4th day playing i love the learning experience i have some matches posted on my page . im using the mpress nano

Nice

i think for me leverless felt easier to me since i never played fighting games and was a Pc gamer for a very long time. i think leverless fits people who have bad coordination with their wrists since my wrist is low i found it hard to play on the arcade stick, which is why i swapped to leverless

the 405 without straps caught me off guard 😆

Hi chris! I've just switched to leverless and i gotta admit there's a like i wall i need to get through esp for dp.

Just started using Haute42 R16. Coming from xbox pad, I struggle to get used to how relatively large and far apart the buttons are. I don't know what my resting position for my fingers should be. Sometimes I press the wrong button because my finger happened to be resting on another button.

i got one a week ago switching from pad but man i gotta say the switch is quiet hard nothing feels really intuitive the layout is causing me issues forgetting where some buttons are located cause they re all the same, rolling motions, supers and half circles as well etc. i dunno sometimes i just wanna quit and say f.. it and sometimes i say to my self i have to overcome "THAT POINT where its clickin" charging or movement wise i gotta say it feels like butter or just hitting buttons soo responsive. obiviously transition from pad to leverless is by far the hardest how long did u take to get to 100%?

OP GG

Great video, except both my ring fingers move completely independent of the middle fingers. Double checked with the kids and other half, no one here has a middle finger that moves when moving the ring finger??

Lotion the movement fingers, especially that ring finger

Honestly the leverless inputs felt intuitive to me

This will be my third day using leverless (razor kitsune) controller. I been a pad player all my life so this is challenging to say the least. I want to keep getting better.

Getting mine Wednesday I’ll let you know how it goes

Switching to leverless made me switch to one the character I didnt like much, Luke lol!! Doing various combo trials as a beginner leverless player & I some how cant stop picking Luke now. Maybe one day I'll switch back to Chun Li or Aki!

Getting a leverless on Tuesday and I have to ask: How the hell do I even do quarter circle with it, no shortcuts (not that I'll be learning those since I play Tekken)

The levelers is the best fight game controller, with the tradeoff of the very high learning curve and especially the unintuitive nature of the left hand.

I can curl my middle finger without moving my ring finger and now feel like an alien lol

Where to study shortcuts from crouching?

Playing SF with leverless is not so difficult. But i still have problems doing hops in KoF. My fingers are a little bit sticky on the buttons, that's why i hate negative edge too.

Big source of frustration for me is doing QC/DPs towards the left. Everything else is manageable

I wish I had watched this video before starting with leverless a couple months ago 😅

Paper boxes are the best cases for leverless as they reduce hand pain! Thats why I dont use plastic/wood cases anymore. Cheap and healthy, that's my main tip)

the casual 405 deadlift is crazy

have you tried kitsune razer?

2:59 tore that tendon in middle school. Finally, an advantage lmao

Could you drop your controller in the description? I'm shopping around.

I'm gonna order a haute box and keep this in mind. Tekken player here

People can't move their middle finger without moving their ring finger? I never realized that was a thing my fingers move independently

how does transitioning from keyboard to hitbox feel like, I plan on getting a hitbox and am hoping the switch wont be that drastic.

If you had to pick a game and learn leverless what would it be? Right now I'm juggling Strive and SF6 both games I have people that play but more of SF6.

Nice tips, thanks for this. I have ordered the razer kitsune waiting a month to deliver. I am excited about it, it will take some time but I think it's possiible to master it.

I just picked up Street fighter 6 (yeah I know I'm late to the party) I have no problem taking time to learn but things like Blanca's ball I don't know how to do it and I can't find anyone online to show me on a leverless. If you read this can you explain it to me? Thank you

I think p2 side is easier on hit box. I don't agree with a lot of this coming from stick for years and recently making the swap. I think this should be geared towards newer players. My biggest tip is learning to block again playing casuals. Defaulting to down back and reacting to lows took more time then relearning moves and movement.

I've been trying a leverless controller for more than 7 months and I still suck. I only can gain about 75% of my stick skill. For me, stick is more forgiving in term of motion input & reactions, but the leverless is faster and more precise especially in blocking.

hey i dont know if i have some genetic anomalies or something but the thing about the middle and ring finger isnt true for me

Biggest tip I have is learn it with a brand new fighting game you’re not familiar with. If you have to learn how to play the game alongside learning the controller it will feel more natural and be easier to memorize. I did it this way and stuck with it until playing any fighting game felt unnatural if I wasn’t using leverless.

that 405 DL tho. no joke fr 💪

Bro casually mentions his pr, respect

I can't get Cammy's lvl 3 super off of charged dp consistently. Any tips?

Deadlift best lift

Why should this don’t work at my controller.. I hold forward and tab down+back and punch and the dp don’t come out😢

Also I don’t know if this is a common thing. But I don’t play any instruments. When I started, my fingers would hurt, and throb. You’re using muscles you have never used before. It’s is normal and will go away eventually

Got anything for MVC2 players?

As a PC(keyboard) player they are just wacky keyboards :P