This proves that my Pipedream Moxie is a perfectly sensible bike! 63 deg HA and 160mm fork on a singlespeed hardtail (the singlespeed thing was an experiment because it has sliding dropouts but after a year I still haven’t put the gears back on). The 220/200mm 4 pot brakes are probably overkill…

69 degree head angle and 420mm chainstay are the optimal specs for blazing trails.

I have the Hello Dave, it's seriously a do-it-all bike, you can take it to jump lines, ride it all over black diamond tech trails while at the same time being a really good climber and I have done 30-40km trips on it.

I own the shand. I’m one of the first testers for the frame and I gotta say. While a 58 degree angle sounds stupid. I couldn’t believe how flowy the bike feels sending it down hill. Feels like my downhill motocross bike. I wouldn’t recommend it for doing anything hardcore like jumps or stunts. It can climb but it definitely takes a bit more energy. However, If you just plan on sending it as fast as you can down hill. It’s an experience unlike any other. Highly recommend.

The thing is… on a hardtail your ha gets 1.5-2 degrees steeper at sag and around 30mm longer reach. A full suspension gets .5- 1 degree slacker and 15mm shorter.

Thanks for the info on hardtails I’ve purchased a Commercial Meta HT Am Essential and very pleased with it , but you’ve opened the door to extreme possibilities

I have a Rootdown and prefer to ride it over my Tallboy and SB130. Such an incredible ride. I'm nearly the same speed, better at jumps and cool factor is through the roof.

cool video guys! I've been enjoying the hardtail life so much for the last 2-3 years since I picked up the Commencal Meta, then recently sold and went to the Hello Dave custom build. That thing is a straight beast of a sled for the downhill stuff... and jumps pretty well too!!

Appreciate your videos Josh & Wendy. Can you do top 5 all purpose mtb.

I've got an on one 45650b. Its kinda hardcore too. And the pipedream Moxie, orange Crush, Nukeproof Scout, Commencal Meta HT are reeeeeeally hardcore too

6:46 Hi everyone , that's my bike :)

Just bought a second hand 2022 hello dave for £600($720). Very happy 👌

Ferrum is BIG in the Knoxville, Tn scene, I think all the photos of the bike and riding was at Baker Creek

I own the ON One Wrekker or it's Titus (Loco Moto) labelled counterpart and it's an incredible, light and rideable up and down (it actually climbs INSANELY well due to the steep seat tube), over long distances, and the stability is unbelievable. this thing goes down as quickly as my enduro intense full susser and Im not kidding! Get your head over that front end and just let it go! 2.6 tubeless Minions is all I added as the stock tyres are garbage. If you want one bike to do everything really well, this should be on your list, especially the Ti version.

Amazing list! My idea of a cool Hardcore Hardtail Hardmtnbiker content would be kinda like what Vital MTB does with Bike of the Day. The top 5 bespoke hardtail’s. You would obviously have Ti frames and high end steel and carbon frames but go into the unique designs with detailed 3d printed bits, CNC’d gussets and T47 BB’s, the different types of tubing, maybe other materials like magnesium, stainless steel, or carbon mix frames like EXO grid. Here is an example of one I thought was interesting a while ago was 44 Frame the was made into a SS with a custom Super-Boost hub from I9 and short ST and a 150mm fork that wasn’t really done back then.

it would have been useful to know if those hta are at sag(what % & travel) or un-sagged. Do you think you can do a list of aggressive XC hardtails please?

Hello, there is one brand thay you are missing, and that is the Dartmoor Hornet from Poland. I already bought just the frame in size S, and I feel it just the perfect size for my height. I´m 1.63 mts or 5´4". I found that brand by chance, when I was checking a website and after doing my research of it, I decided to bought one. They also have the Hornet Pro.

I'd love to throw a leg over that Hello Dave - looks fun :D Random thought, since short cranks are all the rage right now - might be fun to have a Top 5 with current options!

You have to list the stanton switch9ner aswell great steel or titanium frames from the uk and the price is unbeatable

ive got a custom dartmmor hornet hardtail with a 180mm zeb ultimate, ~63 degree head angle , and its the sickest thing ever. I would comment pics if i could

sweet video!!!!! love hardtails haha.... u should check Army bikes... they are made in Peru but their dh hardtail is a monster... they advertise it with a fox 40 soo... yeah... haha love ur vids keep it on...

Next HT review, you should add the Trek Roscoe 9. Def hardcore for a HT

Dartmoor Hornet and Primal are the go-to frames here in the philippines

Crazy how expensive the hello dave got! it used to be 400euros or less..

I learn a lot from this channel. Thank you!

My Honzo ESD is plenty wild for me 😂😂 the rest of that list specs are nutty

I've got the Hello Dave & the Kona Honzo ESD I was riding all of 2022, in comparison Honzo ESD is size large and the reach was feeling a bit too short for me but it was much more playful with 27.5 & easier to climb with 29ers. On Dave he's much more stable and loves the steep DH but much harder to Bunny hop harder to turn on the tight corners on the single track Trails here in the island. Oh & BTW, I went for size XL with Dave so with the long chain stays plus longer wheel base he's a hell of a lot effort to pop over stuff...😢😅

Id love to see you test ride, and review, some of these bikes.

I love the Norco Torrent

Damn these make my MmmBop with a 160lyrik seem conservative lol

I love my rocky mountain growler 40

Thought my Nordest Bardino with 64.5 head tube, 75 seattube was pretty Aggro...

Have you ever heard of Marino Bikes in Peru? I had them build me a Long Low and Slack Hardcore Hardtail 435 Chainstays 420 Seattube 64 degree headtube angle, and 600mm reach. Runs 29.2.6 and has a wheelbase of 1372mm.

Damn I thought my San Quentin was slack

Question what’s the better hardtail Nukeproof Scout or Kona Honzo

I have a Paradox V3 and it it the best bike i have ever had. I cannot even explain how good the bike is uphill and downhill, i do not even know how Banshee achieved that.

I am old school, for me aggro geo means super steep angles for very bad down hill capabilities. Slack geo angles means comfy and super good down hill capabilities making even a baby a pro mtbiker, at least going down :p

I ran a dave for about a year , head angle I thought was surprisingly great but on the negative the bikes was to long in the rear the seat tube angle to steep and it was so heavy . I switched it out for a ragley big al frame which has more conservative geo numbers but a much nicer quality frame.

Hello Good Day! I am a hardtail user ever since. I love watching your content every time. Can you make a review on DARTMOOR HORNET hardtail frame? I think this frame is underrated in some countries but here in the Philippines, it is the go-to hardtail frame for enduro and trail riding. It is also the most popular enduro hardtail frame. I hope this will get to you and make a good content about this. Thank you in advance.

PLEASE SOMEONE RECOMEND ME THE BEST HARTDAIL FOR TRAILS THAT HAVE JUMPS THAT ARE UNDER 2K

I can't see going to the other extreme especially at those price points. I went with the Big Honzo DL over the ESD. Where did you get that price on the ESD it goes for $3100 on Kona's website.

I feel like anything over 150mm up front is just going to get you in trouble on a hardtail. If you hit something big enough to require a 180mm fork, it's going to wreck your rear end. It's cool that people are pushing the designs forward, but these are a little ridiculous. I kind of want my hardtail to pedal uphill as well as crush the downhill

So wild. I just built a custom geo hardcore, and I really don't know what going this extreme brings to the table. A consecutive big hit rock garden is just not overcome by having different geo numbers. I can descend the rowdiest terrain with a 64.5 HTA and much less extreme reach numbers... it's not the steepness that is the issue in my experience, just the consecutive big hits that are a hardtails weakness (and always will be?)... Interested to see ride reviews of all of them.

Show Kona some more love guys. The ESD is amazing.

Hey man hope you can answer my question can you ran 170mm fork on a 65° ht angle?

whats your take on the marin el roy especially considering its on sale now for 1700?

Giving feedback on a video here in YT oftentimes comes across as spilling hate, but quality would improve a great deal if you got a proper microphone. All the best.

Where do you get those prices from? The Honzo is $3000

question, working good if put a 160mm suspension on my 2023 Trek RASCOE ?, on TREK site recommended max. 150mm

Marino cabala is similar. As a frame only is around 400$

What did you do to that poor fork in the start picture

It went together easily in less than an hour. kzfaq.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L Make sure the front fork is forward or the pedals will hit the front tire. Tires are both a little soft so it needs air before I ride it. The rear wheel didn't come with a clamp regular bolts hold it on. The front had the clamp. No scratches out of box. Rims are a little off with a slight wobble. They could have spent more time with the spoke tool fixing the run out. So far out of the box I'm happy with it. I did replace the pedals with a nice aftermarket set. After riding it a bit my A$$ is a bit sore so I ordered another seat. Overall I'm nearly 60 and didn't ride a bike in 30 years. I like my new 29" Schwinn. It will be used for casual rides with my friend.

Can you also check the 2021 dartmoor hornet? Thanks.

Would be interesting if somone made a video about fat bikes. Not found any super aggressive fat bikes, one existed it was Pole Taiga, I regret not buying one as its discontinued. Ppl who have it love it. It was a hardcore hardtail fatbike, super slack head angle, but now slackest ti found was 66 deg on rocky mountain Blizzard there is carbon and alu version, and budget to high end option. Blizzard comes at 500mm reach on XL, so should fit me. I live in Norway, some part sof the winter has really difficult snow impossible on regular tyres, need huge tyres to not get stuck, of course sometimes even on a fs bike it's impossible. Most trails are much smoother on snow so a hardtail will be fine even with my back I guess if tyre pressure is low. But full suspension fa bikes exist but none with good geo and most are discontinued or too bad geo. Maybe I should order a Nicolai tailor made fat bike. Basically a Geometron fat which does not exist yet. Bu ti see Geometron offers the hardtails now, maybe a fat bike some day? I hope so. Their full suspension fat bike prototype never became a product. A full suspension might be too much to ask for now, as that would require some more development. But they already have a fatbike frame, but outdated geo and fit, reccomend size is way too small.

Where are the DH fork hardtails?

I don't get the point. Imo you take a hardtail to party. It's rigid in the back and you put some forks in the front wich travel a bit so you don't lose any teeth on the trail. If you keep your fork travel low, you can stay around 65° for even more party ;)

Bro anything in giant for hardcore?

Good content and editing but I recommend purchasing a good microphone. The audio doesn’t do the rest of your video justice.

Where can I buy a Haro Double Peak Trail 27.5 - Matt Black?

I just bought a Ragley BluePig Race 63.5 head angle Rockshox Lyric Select R 160mm,Nukeproof Horizon Wheels,XT Derailier n Shifter,SLX 4 pot brakes and Drivetrain,170mm Dropper,Maxxis ......£1500....ChainReactionCycles ...Bargain!! Ha!

well,......still content whit my Nordest Bardino steel version.

El-Roy anyone?

60, stoopidness first into the office, FFS - where will it end

Just my opinion, never heard of these bikes, and not impressed. Way better bikes than these. All good. Happy trails. Aloha.😎🤙

dude, why do you wear the hat?

Absolute bull shit,you will never can use the capability of the fork!!It changes dramatically the geometry especially downhill...The max rideable fork travel is in my opinion 140mm

Hello Good Day! I am a hardtail user ever since. I love watching your content every time. Can you make a review on DARTMOOR HORNET hardtail frame? I think this frame is underrated in some countries but here in the Philippines, it is the go-to hardtail frame for enduro and trail riding. It is also the most popular enduro hardtail frame. I hope this will get to you and make a good content about this. Thank you in advance.