Same here! $500 guns break clays just like $50,000 guns

I had a diamond grade trap, one of the best guns ever made for all round use. The parts are getting difficult to ding now however.

Epic guns for an all Rounder

what a gun that A1 is as well! The father of all modern over and unders

The Gun Shop I'm bought all 3 ,trap skeet and lightweight game in 74 . I seem to remember they were about £450 each,a lot of money then,I remember buying a Miroku 800s skeet as new from a dealer about the same time for £140.sorry John I hope I'm not boring you guys but guns and shooting have been my life for 60yrs and I've probably owned over a hundred in that time.

Definitley Agreed on that, between the Nikko 5000/ Shadow series, Most any SKB and generally anything 1970-1990 Japanese built would be an awesome addition

Adam Perkins Adam,one of its main competitors in the 70s was the shadow indy which they did in trap and skeet the nikko and shadow were great quality just like the Miroku ,if you couldn't afford a browning b25 these were what people strived for.I personally think the nikko was slightly better quality than the Winchester ,and it was more exspencive but worth every penny . PS. John is very knowledgeable ,and knows his stuff for such a young man.

By interesting, do you mean zero?

Lol never heard of anyone getting shot thru a video, chill out bro

@@jonathanc4321 do you even shoot

@@nathanwilson2116 does Call of Duty count?

@@jonathanc4321 you’re in the wrong place to be commenting

On the way!

That helps me so much, what a stupid answer

Very solid, and they look good with a few scratches on

I went with a Beretta SP sporter in 20 gauge. Great for clays and still light enough for the field

I mean an 870 works, im considering just getting an 870 or a mossberg 500 since they are reliable, low-priced, and high capacity so i dont just have it for clayshooting. Maybe later down the line i can get a fancy engraved over-under but an 870 or 500 is good for now

@@sushiwithasword5089 In my experience the 870 would eventually overheat when shooting clays and cease to function. This is why fancy folk will use an over/under or semi-auto

It is, great trap gun and general clay basher, just doesn't have the full versatility or your standard rib sporter. Where di you go shooting?

The Gun Shop Cloudside in Cheshire, great bunch in there, really looked after us.

Thats what you want, there are some clay shoots out there that dont seem to be quite so customer orientated!

@@bigleemac bosley cloud? This is where i go shooting!

Still have my Special Sporting Clays. The gun is still tight after thousands of rounds and a ton of number 8 shot.

they are nice!

no

Wouldn't be the same without one in hand, and Blaser don't want to deal with us, so its fairly hard to acquire. My thoughts would be to get yourself an F3 instead, the F16 doesn't have any on the unique design and handling that the F3 has, so all you are buying is a name. There are many other guns out there at F16 money that will out handle it, out shoot it and out last it.

The Gun Shop thanks for the feedback. I'll keep that in mind :)

That said, they do look good!

such as? I am in the market for a gun in that price range, $4000 and the F16 was the leader for me

Would be tempted with a Caesar Guerini Invictus F/C, a 692 black or perhaps a s/h perazzi?

Browning Cynergy

Go Team Beretta!

john cook Sporter!

On Order - will give thema look over when they get here

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because buying a gun for more than 10K euros won't make you break more clays than a cheap one. A good gun is one that fits YOU, not the most expensive one... idiot!

The video is talking about new prices, not used. A $900 Citori is a used-up shotgun.

It's a Renato Gamba Daytona model. VERY Perazzi like in design and such.

did you ever decide on a gun?

Both great guns, but very very different to shoot.

THE 525 SPORTER

Coming from a Perazzi MX8, I actually prefer the Zoli Z gun for handling..awesome shotgun.

And I did.....and it's fabulous!!

For general sporting clay shooting, of course you can, but for Olympic trap, i would say you would be at a huge disadvantage!!

Sounds good to me. Double barrels are just works of art.

No Idea im afraid, if you contact Miroku, we have found them quite helpful.

Buy a DT10! better overall spec for the average shooter. For plastic wad only use i would consider the DT11.

Thank you for the response! If I could explain maybe you can give me more advice? I currently shoot a Silver Pigeon 1 sporting 32" (8 lbs even). I am a decent shooter. At our home club which is usually considered a fairly hard sporting clays course, I averaged 87% for our latest 16 week league. Although I love my SP1, I am looking for an upgrade as I feel the trigger has cost me one or two clays here and there. Not many clays, but it's not as crisp as I would like. Also I would not mind a little less recoil. I am a fairly big/tall person at 6'3" 230 lb with long limbs and large hands (6'8" wingspan fingertip to fingertip). The SP is pretty slim which seems to suit me, but I feel like there is no reason I shouldn't be able to shoot a DT11 which is a thicker beefier gun correct? Also the standard Beretta sporting stock dimensions (except with spacers to increase the LOP) fit me very well. I have only shouldered the DT11, I have never shot one. I would also consider a K80 or an F3, but I have never even shouldered one of those, nor a DT10. I don't think it would be easy for me to find a used DT10 to buy in person. So in the end, this might be a blind purchase. Finally, we only shoot plastic wads here as thats the ammo easily available (Fiocchi) and I shoot maintained lead most of the time. The DT11 black interests me as the weight is closer to my SP than the regular DT11. So what do I do?!

just to follow up, i managed to find a shop that had a DT11, a K80, and an F3 that i could handle. I ended up buying a used but practically brand new Perazzi MX2000s for a few thousand less than the DT11L i was leaning towards! very excited.

Not a common model in the UK im afraid!

I have a K32. Built like a tank. I find it a heavy gun. Nice on recoil but easy to over swing. This is my second K32. I wanted to see if this one handled better the the first. It will be up for sale before the year is out. My first choice is a Beretta 682 trap. Unless I want to impress, then I use a Beretta 687EELL

One day...

I was always under the impression sporting clays was never considered due to its late arrival onto the shooting scene and it's layout. Skeet and trap are an easy open ground where sporting clays is embedded through usually dense scrub tracks

my name is Johnny too and i love it!

No Problem Sir

- Beretta SIlver Pigeon 30" 12bore M/C - Beretta 692 Black Edition 32" 12 bore M/C - Caesar Guerini Summit Ascent 12 bore 30" - The Generic Perazzi Actioned gun - Miroku MK38 Trap 32" Fixed Choke

Any chance of indicative prices with these guns as I am looking for purchase prices as well and the video didn’t clearly say how much each one costs...

Anyone can, but only legends DO

@@tgsoutdoors OK the chokes its close for sporting clays but if your good you dont have problem, but i worried about the point of impact barrels i prefer to shoot 60/40

Hi Men, can you help me for this gun? Can you tell me exactly the diametre of the chokes(17.4,17.5????) becase its differend for one gun with 18.4 barrels and with 18.8.

Yes a mossberg 590a1 slide racking in the middle of the night.

Tony 81 hiya Tony, depends if you're the shooter or the shootee😉

Especially when you hear noises downstairs at 3am 🤣👍🏻

I wish I could tell you. I only understood one name. #5 is the one I would love to know also

Jesus shoots one too

they're still back in 1890

Not in our Top 5 Sporters, no. Great guns though. There is a few in our future top 5's

Miroku is browning

Same design but made in Japan, licensed by Browning name. Some subtle differences.

Right. Notice how The Gun Shop doesn't seem to know that...?