So "Horus Heresy" has become a euphemism for "Gentleman's Agreement, because we're just throwing stuff out there". I'm glad you've brought these points up, if only to stop newbies building a "cool" force and killing off their meta unintentionally.

Informative as always. I would love to hear your opinion on Knights and their weapon options. Keep up the good work!

5 - I don't think that veletarii or charonites are broken gameplay wise. Both can only be brought in small to midsized formations that have little or no shooting, and so are hugely vulnerable to point defence as well as AP fire. I notice a lot of people are running down the heavy bolter as "not efficient" compared to the lascannon in terms of mathammer. Well units like this is why it is, in fact, a needed weapon. They also fit into the Auxilia roster to give them units that can actually storm objectives, but those units are counterable. Flavour wise, charonites at least are giant servitorised ogryns with power weapon limbs, its quite appropriate for them to mince space marines, particularly HH era ones. If they lose rend I'd say their fixed CAF should go up. They should require a couple of stands to fight on equal terms with them. They are supposed to be counters to space marines AND mechanicus constructs (which themselves roughly handle space marines). They are supposed to be rare though. Perhaps it should not be permissible to take them in 6's and 8's? Veletarii are can openers in HH too, so I'm not sure its that much of a flavour fail for them to beat tacticals. They have CAF+1 to a marine stands +2, so the combat is winnable for the tacticals, even with the 3.5 average from rend. But its perhaps a bit too much, and definitely too much compared to assaults, who they are still pretty easily beating. They should perhaps just have +3 CAF and the power axes just give them enough to resist assault marines, especially when considering their close order. Their points would have to come down. 4 - Agreed on Vanquishers entirely. I actually think "antitank" needs more of a downside than it currently has. Perhaps -1 to hit infantry. 3 - I think this analysis is only looking at damage potential and also (in this video at least) not breaking down the individual loadouts. The auxilia fighters are more fragile, and they intercept worse than the Xiphon, which can realistically shoot down enemy fliers in the movement phase with hits tracking missile launchers. Most reports I have seen suggest the xiphon is very strong, and well worth the extra ten points if your goal is air superiority. The fire raptor is anti infantry focused and so is less impressive if you undervalue anti infantry and honestly, marines are not hurting for anti infantry so its probably fair to do so on the fire raptor. This feels like a fire raptor problem. The other two vehicles are paying points for being flying assault transports. They should be less effective at pure ground attack than equivalent points of Auxilia bombers. What I do think is that hellstrike missiles should be anti tank and perhaps lose armourbane, instead getting -2 AP. They are as they stand too much as the "best" option although, if you take nothing but them, you get shot down by enemy fighters, so there is that. Anti aircraft is going to do a lot to restrict bombers going forward I imagine, as you HAVE to go deep onto the table to drop your bombs. I think army building is going to require an answer to fliers, where its a combat air patrol or AA defences. Without either of those they will, indeed, feel overpowered. 2 - Agreed. Warp needs to only hit one model, even if its shooting at super heavy tanks. Let it be engine killer 2, pick up a night, seriously damage a warhound, heavily damage the others. (I do think the reaver should have 6 wounds, the warlord 8, though) 1 - I think infiltrate is something that might be partly countered by proper levels of point defence rather than slathering everything in lascannons. Point defence can fire in the movement phase and can really weaken infiltrating detachments, and that is where the risk lies of being so close to the enemy: IE that you are in combat unsupported early being hosed down by HBs. Or it should be. The issue is to me the amount you can do as that weakness falls away when you are infiltrating EVERYONE, its then impossible to deal with. Perhaps a tweak to put an absolute cap on the number of infiltrators, or a tweak on how many units can be given infiltrate per formation. I don't think the pioneer detachment is a problem myself. All in all thankyou for the video, it made me think, even if I don't agree on all points I agree on most.

It also seems as a whole with everytime something GW releases, the slow flow release really gives alot of items the appearance of over powered. The entire game as soon as it is fully released (such as all the rules we don't have like drop pods) we can determine what is busted and isn't. I think the rules and numbers would be more meaningful if all the items released in a quicker manner

I appreciate the approach as a conversation starter but it is much too early to tell if these units are broken. Most reports online show Solar Auxilia getting destroyed in games. To be fair, some of the reports have shown misplays but the results would likely have been similar with correct play.

I think you are overlooking a few things on the marine side: * Deredeos shoot down fliers super easy. Especially if you Infiltrate them (yeha that thing again). They are sper cost effective and the melee Infanterie also dies to them in overwatch. * the SA Inf dies to point defense overwatch also if they charge your preds, sicarans or Kratos with Autocannos. * WE have a significantly higher chance of killing Veletari in combat then the Veletari them * Leviathans with Wrecker can also tear down buildings easily - in our last game we had not much of the field standing and we had 15 buildings. Oh and they have CAF +5 with Rend. So they do certainly hold their own in melee and are not really expensive. * Missle launchers are the absolute biggest offender for efficeny no questions asked - they outright anhilate anything infanterie since they do not get a penalty for shooting at garrisioned infantry at 20" with 2 shots each and minimal cost they outperform any other Infantery and Sentinels kinda do the same. You can easily have 60+ Misslelauncher bases in an SM Army - move them forward use them to overwatch enemy Infanterie and win - a Squad of 8 shooting 16 missles will kill a few SA Bases - somethimes you spike sometimes you don't. They also act quite well as an area denial tool. Overall the biggest offender we found in our games so far are missle launcher and that Infanterie in general is simply to cheap. You can just absolutely swamp your opponent by running forward, garissioning every building on the way and just charge at vehicles since they are so cost efficient. But overall there is so much to effienctly deal with them that you are kinda forced to spam Infanterie (Vulcan Mega Bolters, Graviton eradicators against garrisoned, Missle launchers...)

Great video. Really enjoying your LI content

Definitely agree about the Velatari, rend is an incredibly potent ability. Remembering back to Epic Space Marine, one unit had a '+D6' as a special ability, which was the Eldar Striking Scorpions. Anyone who remembers playing them back then knew that close combat with them was effectively a death sentence (I remember units of Blood Angel Death Company just being eaten alive by them!) so to give that sort of ability to a 'guard' unit is interesting. In fact, the Scorpions' ability was nerfed in the community (NetEpic) version of the rules, so I am not the only person to have thought that! :)

Hmmm great video. Here are my thoughts based on the games I played. 5) for Velataris and ogryns - just shoot ‘em. For now they don’t have transports - so dropping some terminators or lighting them up with heavy bolters is a sure fire way to decimate entire squads. Had a 4 man block of terminators drop near em and having 8 shots rerolling hits just poofs them. WHEN they get transports - none of the transports auxilia have are assault! So you can either shoot the transports OR just wait for them to poop out then shoot 5em before they charge. 4) two ways I’ve dealt with these (and a third unknown way). I either use Assault marines to tie them up (after they activate) which tends to work fine; I’ll toss some lascannon press their way because space marines generally out activate auxilia - or even more effective is a singular warp missile from a reaver; the third unknown way would be either the unreleased bikes or land speeders as they will have the speed and AT to deal with them hopefully cheaply or melee. Also drop pods will make tanks scared. 3) so this one sucks cause we have no access to anti air yet (the tarantulas). I think once we get access to those it will be a MUCH different story. That or sicarans rend to be really effective 2) I got nothing 😂. Warp missiles are ridiculous - BUT - it’s one shot and once it’s gone your reaver has lost a third effectiveness. But damn you can take 2 in a list which is insane… honestly just 0-1 it and be done. 1) Broken, no - effective as FUCK, yeah. At larger points it tends to be less effective due to titans and larger armies but at smaller games it is insanity.

Solar tends to get rolled over in CC so nice to see some ability to respond. Having a couple of stands of either in a unit gives them survival from deepstriking terminators. Thematic probably not but makes the game at least playable.

Liking the videos. I already agreed with you on the imbalances of the rules before and I really think the are major oversights. Extra dice, horrible choice. battlecannon vs vanquished cannon, either a NERF is needed or the battle cannon needs HE (more shots) with lower so. Heavy Bolters, in general a mediocre choice. And the list goes on... I really hope GW steps in and fixes the stuff, before they break it even further with supplements. I would like to see 1. Fix rend 2. weapons should cost points

Very good points! I would change as follows Rend = re-roll both dice Vanquishers = -2 replace armour bane with accurate. Or -1 and retain armour bane Flyers not sure I agree that it's an issue. Warp missle = maybe D3+1 damage. Infiltration = can't charge orser turn one. Or like you said forward deployment. Just how I would do it. Keep up the good work!

I brought an 8 man Vanquisher squad last game. They ended up trading fire with a Nemesis for most of their only turn on the board due to good deployment on my opponent's part. Then they died. Horribly.

Sadly, I believe the AT / LI team are just not interested in providing a tight ruleset. This is not the Kill Team ‘21 or Underworlds design team. I am not expecting anything from GW to balance these issues beyond Errata, assuming there was even a mistake in the stat block at printing.

Agree with most things on the list, but don't think fliers are all that bad - bombers definitely don't survive their run. Certainly thunderhawks ruining my shit by dropping 16 assault marines behind my lines hurt more. (as long as fliers can't overwatch with the tracking missiles) Vanquishers are definitely stronger but it's the range that hurts more in my games so far, less the AB. Agree that infiltrate needs a bit of a nerf as a general rule. Close combat is strong but so far not many things making it there.

Man, this is a great breakdown, thanks for all your time and energy. I’m in agreement with just about everything you said, however I think vanquisher cannons need to be turned into a multi-range profile. Keep it 32” range, but have 3 tiers. 8” gets the -2 armorbane, 16” gets the -2, 32” drops to -1. For infiltrate, can we modify it to add “can not deploy within x inches of an objective”? Or will that just open up another can of worms?

'egregious' good word! I looked it up to make sure I understood the meaning properly! 😊

Must admit I took a unit of 8 Leman Russ Vanquishers the other day and they didn't feel fun to use. Deleted a 4 model Kratos squad and after that I deliberately pulled my punches with these Also it's interesting that the Solar Auxilla seem to have the most powerful stuff.

Veletaris auto-winning isn't really a thing. I'll take termies rolling 2d6 with +4caf over veletaris with +1caf and rend any day. Not to mention terminators get combi bolters with accurate. Ogryns are scary with +3caf and rend, but again - only 6+ save, plasma marines eat them for breakfast.

Usually im not bothered by unbalanced games as im mainly a collector/painter and much less a player. But this is one game I am hoping to also play a lot of so its a bit disheartening to hear how little they seem to have cared about balancing the forces. You would think it shouldnt be difficult in a game with so far not a lot of list building options and only two different armies...But here we are. Hopefully the game continues to spawn interest after the launch and GW realise they need to put some effort in. If they ever do.

If Infiltrate is so strong, does this make Space Wolves legion special ability actually a lot better than it seems?

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4 bombers, well im going against titans eventually so thats fair, i am planning to have all russes with vanquishers, for the reason you said, they make them auto anti armour, freeing baneblades and knights up to take on lesser units, played it years ago, but the models are awesome. Hope to go events with it of they can just keep stock coming

If I play a heavy infiltrate list then my space marines are Space Wolves their legion trait negates infiltrate

Keep it up! I love this game!

I feel that the march out of a marched transport is messed up. If I read the rules correctly a unit can move like 35 inches in one turn this way when you add the disembark distance and model base width. If you manage to touch a building the net movement might be higher as you can exit out anywhere on the building.

Warp missiles were basically outlawed immediately in my group. One shot weapon that can effortlessly take out 300pts or even more and only real way to fight it is to kill the shooter first somehow. Being on a Reaper, thats kinda hard. I feel like it should retain the Engine Kill to justify the one-shot, but only ignore Void shields. That way its LIKELY to really hurt but not literally auto-kill (unless youre me and always fail 2+ single die checks lol). I already basically self-impose a 10pt nerf on my auxilia planes. Even before i put them on the table i had a feeling they were a bit too good for 85pts. Now, they do die fairly easily if Skyfire finds them, but the way they move makes it pretty easy to skirt around ranges and not get hit by those skyfires. Agreed on the Leman change, ditch armorbane. I'll probably start doing that already. Comparing the two big guns i am kinda baffled the vanq exists...its not only better reach and ap but it also has armorbane for some reason. Only penalty it has is Anti-Tank so if it hits infantry for some reason its AP0.

This might be the exception, but in my 2 games against a vanquisher-Russ heavy (W/Lascannons) formation, I've nearly decimated them with my Assault Marine/terminator heavy formation. We've used the GW guide to terrains, D3+1 area terrain for each quarter on a 5'x4' field. The Reaver warp missile didn't bother me as much as I don't go heavy on the upgrade detachment. This means whatever the warp missile hits, it's not gonna pay off unless it aims at my fully upgraded Kratos/Baneblade detachment. Mind you I've been playing at 1500 points max so far, so that's 1 Reaver max.

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"This didn't feel like it was play tested." Was anything?

The only thing I'd disagree with is the Warp missile. It's about the only weapon that very much reflects the lore in terms of how powerful it is. That said, it's also supposed to be incredibly rare so a limit of one per 3000 points is probably not a bad idea.

One interesting solution to infiltrate is to change the deployment time. Infiltraters deploy first and then normal units and then get forward deployment rule. So rule would be. Units with infiltrate deploy first. These units cannot be deployed with 4" of the opponents deployment zone. Once deployment has finished infiltrated units get a forward deployment move that but cannot end their move within 4" of an enemy units. Thematically this would represent an army taking the field (infiltrators) the opposing army seeing the infiltrators positioning and responding accordingly and then the infiltrators responding to the incoming army this could be backing off overwhelming force or flanking. Rules wise this means infiltrate isn't completely broken by giving the non infiltrating army a chance to see roughly where the attack is coming from but not know exactly as forward deployment gives the infiltrators a pre game move. Also as we're talking changing rules to balance the game he's a controversial one. The light rule can't hurt vehicles right. What if anti-tank can't hurt infantry. That would solve the vanquiser cannon. If it can only hit armour still hard as nuts but it becomes specialized. Where the lesser battle cannon would become a jack of all trades, so might see some use.

I could be proven wrong but I think flyers will be countered heavily by overwatch once people get used to it (warhounds with swarmer missles). Also gives autocannons a use.

Thanks for this video. I was just about to paint up a few thousand points of raven guard but think I'll reconsider now. Any ideas on when changes could be expected?

I view that list as a mountain to climb, my legion will overcome all.

A possible fix I considered for Infiltrate - but that might create problems of its own - is that Infiltrating troops have to be the first you deploy. You deploy formations in turn as normal, but have to place infiltrating one before placing any others. This would still allow you to deploy on top of neutral objectives, but would also allow your opponent to react. It might encourage infiltrators to be more conservative, or risk having their forces obliterated on turn 1.

For infiltrate, couldn't you just change the missions to have a little statement that says "You cannot claim objectives during the first battle round"? Wouldn't that more or less deal with the issue with Infiltrate since it would give the opposing player a turn to react?

To be honest, while this is a decent list its urinating into a fan without changing point values The Auxilia stuff is nasty, it will get worse, agree "Rend" needs scaling back, someone didn't test these things in larger units and assumed only one or two would ever get through - though you can, sort of, counter by breaking formations to stop them charging Vanquishers.. well marine heavy support with rockets are a decently effective counter (sadly to all armour really), however the range works against them if the player uses it for "I shoot you but you cannot fire back" as this puts them in the position of not advancing. not saying they are not a bit much, comes down to point values though - the Vanquisher should cost more than the basic Russ Fliers... nasty yes, no doubt, they have silly damage output and are harder to hit, but they are fragile - the best counter noted locally is to have more activations than the enemy so you can bring an interceptor on _after_ the flier turns up, and try to shoot the fragile fliers down before they wreak face - sort of becomes a separate metagame then, almost needs a way for interceptors to get to them before they arrive, not to shoot them down but a way to chase them off maybe - note also the big flier units cannot split fire, so dangerous yes, to one target. already expensive, the fact the Auxlia ones are all basically the same cost is daft - and note some do pay for weapon upgrades while other stuff doesn't.. the game feels good, but half finished, like a lot more testing was required and also to find whoever decided "upgrades are free!" and "you don't pay for different loadouts!", take them out the back of the chemical sheds, and shoot them, and put in a sensible points system. Infiltrate is.. ok, but spammed a bit too easily - though you will need stuff able to forward deploy to avoid the otherwise small deployment zones being cramped. Personally a useful fix would be for Rapier and Tarantula to not count as infantry models which stops them appearing all over - but note they can be a counter to the issue with fliers so changing one needs to be considered as part of the whole I think also "1d3+1 terrain items per quarter" is way too low, would be looking at closer to 2d3+2 here, with some terrain counting as two (e.g. area terrain or larger buildings). would also bring in fortified obstacles like tank traps as something players can buy - though having them as a terrain choice is also good no comments on the Warp missile, it does look nuts but not playing large enough games to see it yet overall its a good game, there are ways to break it, we don't have enough units currently though I doubt more units will "fix" it, the critical flaw is the points system, from which many issues come, and the absurd point values assigned where a lot more come from

Warp missle though a bit op isn’t effective against infantry in a building. It ignores the cover save not cover itself. So hitting on a 4+.

any plans on making loadout for auxial planes

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Game: has warp missiles in it. AT players start sweating nervously. I think warp missiles should work like Skaven war machines, high-risk for that high-reward mechanic. Roll a 1 and it misfires and your own titan gets sucked into the warp, I would personally find that hilarious, but maybe there's something uh... of a more nuanced solution :D They should at least have a scatter mechanic, something popping in and out of the warp doesn't feel like it should be super reliable. I'll say again - it's got Skaven war machine written all over it - it should be the Timmy choice for people who want very unpredictable and silly things to happen.

What do you think of infiltrate being both not past the half and you deploy them first?

the reaver is the only counter i see for the big blocks of vanq that people are talking about...i got space marines and it seems ill have uphill battles

sounds like a salty space marine player lol

Can you keep making solar auxiliary review now that we have plastic?

The Solar Auxillia flyers sound as op as the new Su25 in warthunder

First and foremost, you need to be able to get models! Gw haven’t even fixed that yet

Ogers are strong if they make it, but if they dont they are quite usless. They would be OP if they had ability to shoot and/or charge the enemy. Becouse right now they can only charge wish makes them worth of havning in the game. Otherwise if you nerf them, the will be worthless.

I’m guessing you’ve not tried a cerastus knight lancer with reach out yet. This unit turn one will clear out any infiltrating unit

Good to know 😉

Out of the 5 things that really scream to me as being an issue/problem. The "Warp" missile is number one on that list. Because the design team have no clue how they are supposed to work. The missile effects you described tell me they are confusing a "Vortex" missile with a "Warp" missile. "Warp" missiles have always been single target. Not this abomination your describing. So just change the targeting rules...Easy fix. Next...Vanquishers are also an easy fix. Add more terrain to the table! Quit trying to play a game with 4-6 pieces of terrain and then whine when a unit designed to hit from range does it's job! Now the Infiltrate situation seems a bit shady. If they are sneaking Ogryns all the way across the board...I'm calling BS/Foul. Simple fix. If Ogryns are in the detachment...The detachment loses Infiltrate. And if that doesn't fix the issue... Limit infiltration range to 1/2 way across the board. There is no way they should make it all the way to your deployment zone. As far as the CC between Ogryns and Marines...They should be stomping mudholes in Marines. No fix needed. Aircraft...Not familiar enough with that situation yet to comment.

Am i the only one spotting the thunderhawk gunship at 150 points as insane OP. Volume of fire so it can kill infantry, skyfire it can kill air, tutan killer weapons and armour bane weapons. It has 25 inch movement with flyer, 2+ save with jink and as a flyer massivley reduces viable wepaons to shoot it down. And transprts 8 stands even if bulky with assault transport. For 150 points. And you thought solar axillia flyers were broken lol. Its objectively better than a warhound titan in speed, fire power and matches it in durability. And its less than half the points and a transport

So does infiltrate make wolves a little better.

Leman Russ are broken with armourbane, range, cost etc.

Haven’t read every comment but a cap on the amount of your army that can infiltrate and maybe run vanquisher a like British WW2 firefly’s 1 to every 3 normal ones

You think Space Marines shouldn't get wrecked by teched up Ogryns in melee?? People really really really underestimate how strongs Ogryns are. Honestly immediately I could tell you were biased towards Space Marines. I say that as a Space Marine player.

I am the local organiser for our clubs and we have already dropped Vanqs armourbane, they are still very good for the cost.

My pre watch guess is that SA is broken Post-watch edit: 3/5 not bad.

I feel like GW should hire you as lead game tester for Horus Heresy. It's kind of mind boggling to me how a giant company can produce such a poorly QCd game. Makes me feel sorry for the poor people working on these games and probably being rushed to make these rules without time to play test them. It's odd to me how you as one guy can find the answers to all of these problems while a company that makes games can't seem to iron them out. I hope Horus Heresy and Legions Imperialis can get some proper love going forward with rules and balancing. I feel like we shouldnt be the ones who have to deal with bad rules by having to constantly have gentlemans agreements and having to balance it ourselves. GW does a great job with making these games and I hate to bash on them just due to poor rules writing since I really do love the setting and models. I really enjoy the videos and I look forward to more of your content! Cheers.

Not to put too fine a point on it - but I want Narrative Necromunda - not Finely-balanced Killteam. It’s ok to have a fun game and not to have ultra balance.

I wonder how well air units balance each other the more units become available. I guess in every 3000 points game you have to dedicate 500 or so points on flyers/antiair yourself to challenge the air superiority of your opponent.

I'm glad you mentioned solar auxilla fliers: the first game we played both sides were flicking through the rules asking "wait, how are these so powerful?" Infiltrate is just as broken as it was in HH2.0, with RG armies able to score enough VP in turn 1 to effectively win before the game starts. I think the key will be small formations of infiltrators to support your main forces, rather than as a primary force.

so the issue is the marine faction is not good enough at release.. this is a first in a long time

I respect you, but I was getting suspicious when I watched your video about Auxilia Infantry. You have a clear bias against SA. SA units broken? how can that be when ALL marine units are better than the SA equivalent and costing the SAME points. Have you compared the Kratos and the Malcador/Baneblade? Have you compared the marine infantry with the SA infantry? Don't even look at the rapiers on both sides... Units in both sides cost roughly the same and Marines are so much better. SA fliers broken?? have you seen the Xiphon (3+ armour for same cost, brutal Skyfire)?? Assault flier transports... Seriously. Rend? have you seen the armour/CAF/morale characteristics of SA?

I hate that he just listed almost everything I am doing for my army lol I just want a combined arms list my guy! Flyers, tanks and inf! 😂

What’s up nxt? Flyers?

So I think you are looking at planes incorrectly particularly the thunder bolt. Each plane is only getting 2 shot from its wing weapons not 4 (ie one weapon per wing just going off the sponson weapons on certain tanks as they dont say add two weapon systems just that you get that weapons profile) and at 80 points a pop they are fairly expensive. The vanquished leman probably should be a bit more expensive, but at the same time a unit of ters deep striking in and getting to melee is going to have a field day with them. Overall your arguments are not wrong they just don't feel like you are looking at the opposite faction counters. The reader warp weapon and infiltrate however are spot on and need to be addressed.

Would Inflitrate work better as part of it being, fully deploy infiltrate units before any other units (both ally & Enemy) also needs a limit not full Army 😂

You do realize that this is the first release of the game, and there are dozens of potential units/builds still to be released? Also there is nothing saying that when the SA Artillery comes out that we won't see some of these issues getting addressed for one example. I will agree that the Fliers do need to be either recosted or locked to specific formations as supporting elements. Also, I will point out that the way some units are available fits the current known lore from 40k. During the heresy a lot of the weapons you mention in the video are stated to be much more common than in 40k modern, eg the vanquishers were the standard for a significant period of time on Leman Russ tanks, from one of the old Imperial Armor books. When it comes to range issues that can be dealt with by building a relatively dense table with few sight lines, look at infinity and necromunda for examples of this.

Problem with suggested changes for infiltrate is that it make space wolves irrelevant. At least space wolves exist as a hard counter for this kind of play and would exist as an excellent counter meta pick if the enemy was to bring an infiltrate faction. Its not ideal, but allying in space wolves is a counter. Regarding leman russ, ive been looking at ways to counter and they are not pretty. Either T1 ASM charge from Thawk if the enemy deploys too close or blast em from the corners of the map with titans. The titan option is more desperate of the two. Surprised to hear air is considered so strong but yea they have the range to sit outside of threats. Rend is great and i like some suggestions ive read, other than that there is counterplay to slow melee units. Warpmissiles seem odd. Maybe 1d6 hits to a target to make them super swingy and not the bane of tank squads. One way to handle vanq cannons is to have an urban style board. Ironically if you nerf infiltrate you make the cannons a lot harder to deal with. I think when more firepower units and fast units come in this will help versus some of these problems but they do stand out. The solar air is a bit easier to kill, if you can shoot it. I guess you need to counter with your own air.

Ah so the army i wanted to play is broken im sadge now

I hope GW sees this

Хотя бы в этой игре ауксилия сломана в сильную сторону.

On a charge veleterii have an effective 6.5 CAF on the charge, and 5.5 not on the charge and 4.5 solo. Charonite, for 10 points more, have an effective 9.5 CAF. Veletarii aren't particularly broken. They don't auto win. They're good, but not OP. The lascannon malcador opened my eyes in a gun duel with my AT leman russes. The malcadors trashed me by weight of fire. SA Fliers are, indeed, too damn good.

The stats of the fliers being so over the top might be because they've got a ton of unsold Aeronautica miniatures they need to move.

GW makes a hash job out of the rules they wrote? Seems like business as usual to me.

Ironically, it sound like the space marines and their gear are the weakest part of the game. Your legions troops don’t matter b

Lol. Nothing new here. Same crying in 1993 with epic. Guard are better than marines on an epic scale, aircraft, infantry and tanks, was always the way. Warp missiles won't change, again, they've been that way since the beginning, in space marine 1 and 2, titan legion, armageddon. Thank your lucky stars vortex missiles aren't a thing any more, but I agree, ban them, and hope in later releases the guard don't get the ability to bring companies of death strikes. Infiltrate as an army wide special rule is a problem that army wide special rules have, I'd go one further, play legion like the game game it's based on, space marine, and have no special rules for marines, your legion just determines the colour of your armour. Leman russes were and are amazing, the vank was luckily in older editions limited to 1 per platoon or company (armageddon rules), taking only vanks is harsh, maybe they should cost more points wise. It's nice to see 30 years later the same complaints lol 😅

Literally the entire point of Vanquishers has always been armourbane, and it's definitional to their role. Chunk them down to battlecannon range and a pip of AP and you're doing far more to fix the problem and in a far more fitting way. Solar Auxilia fliers you fail to properly consider... almost everything? Their strength you portray is that they can use all these weapons at the same time, like sitting back 30" away to safely employ missiles whilst also using bombs which literally require you to fly over the target, and they're _really_ hard to shoot because if the enemy uses overwatch on them rather than first fire or anything they'll have to be using a measly 30% hit chance from any accurate/tracking weapons... Entire analysis on them seems to ignore all points of synergy and context. Some point values a touch low, not in the same league as anything else in this video.

Nowhere does the Warp Missile say it ignores negative modifiers to hit, so against that 12 infantry stand detachment in a building you're actually killing six, not ten. A smart opponent is never giving you clear LOS to a Warhound or Knight with it at the start of a game, either, so it's really going to be a 3+ or 4+ gamble to maybe kill it or maybe whiff your one chance to fire it. Anything smaller than that, and the Reaver is going to have to work even harder to get a line up a shot on a juicy target. I expect the Warp Missile will be strong, and spamming them in a casual game seems like a dick move - but I think you're clearly overrating it here. In general it seems very premature to be declaring anything broken, to me, and especially to be suggesting that TOs ban or restrict units. How many test games is this video even based off of, I can't imagine you've gotten more than five or ten in?