Three of the best out-of-shield options in SSBM are highly unorthodox. These options are rarely discussed among the mainstream. b0xx.com/colle... / ssbmhax
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@yugutugut2 жыл бұрын
Old melee: don't get hit New melee: just get hit
@Pslamist2 жыл бұрын
Maybe Isai actually knew this and told people misinformation that sounded cool to keep the secret to himself, giving him an advantage.🧠
@slayervenn67832 жыл бұрын
@@Pslamist He knew all of these techs, he just wasn't trying
@Boyzby2 жыл бұрын
All I could hear in my head while watching this is Scar going "Melee is sick" repeatedly.
@Donpatch0NT2 жыл бұрын
Could you show the inputs for the Shield ASDI against shines that was shown early in the video in another video? Would be very helpful information
@BreakfastKids2 жыл бұрын
yes please! honestly for each asdi input it would be very helpful
@alibissbm40862 жыл бұрын
It's just moving the grey stick in the direction you want to go in while you're in shield stun frames. Tap right, move right. Tap left, move left. Same as regular SDI/ASDI. I think the examples down were 1 SDI input and 1 ASDI on top. Specifically for ASDI, you're just holding the direction you're trying to move in, as ASDI is applied on the last frame of the shield stun.
@SuperWildYoshi2 жыл бұрын
@@alibissbm4086 so ASDI is holding the C stick down with anolog grey stick as well?
@shadoninja2 жыл бұрын
That is the part he isn't explaining. If you are trying to SDI a shine like that, you will need to be insanely precise. Often times, you will probably roll instead.
@eef_freef2 жыл бұрын
I wish I loved a game the same way that melee players love melee
@alfredusmagnus2 жыл бұрын
Play melee and love meleee
@MegaStunfiskandHat2 жыл бұрын
Then become a melee player. It's really not as hard as people pretend it is as long as you're willing to put in a little effort and don't expect to instantly be good
@EEEEEE13372 жыл бұрын
c'mon Jon, 10 minutes a day of basics and you will be fine in no time :)
@josephberard12272 жыл бұрын
Join us Jon, Join us
@Rael05052 жыл бұрын
I love melee more than anything in the world LOL it's true
@rkraccoons2 жыл бұрын
If you're on boxx, you can mash the direction you want to shield sdi while holding the modifier so you don't roll EDIT: wait, but yoshi can't jump out of his shield, so he cant do the air to ground transition on the waveshine
@gerudokupo22252 жыл бұрын
It doesnt hurt to option select as you make a parry attempt, in particular with a fast DJ to armor many things slower than shine
@bluefalcon72 жыл бұрын
You don't need to be in a shield situation to take advantage of this it can help in a reversal for example if fox cc shines a yoshi nair that forces an air to ground transition. Making the nair safe despite the fact fox cc'd it basically requiring fox to carefully time his counter attack so that yoshi land's fully before Pressing shine which is easier said than done in the scramble.
@rannynihilius84812 жыл бұрын
Ayo hax thanks for spreading awareness about Leffen and Jisu again we finally got them. You putting your reputation and smash career on the line wasn't for nothing #WelcomeBackZeRo
@KIJHK2 жыл бұрын
#HaxWasRight
@defibillytor66392 жыл бұрын
nice, a video that actually helps with spacies' counterplay!
@SufferDYT2 жыл бұрын
It actually helps fox/falco in that all these scrubs are going to be mistiming the asdi and rolling into my shine
@sharkquisha34072 жыл бұрын
@@SufferDYT not really. This isnt a well known tech and those few who know about it will probably practice and be able to do it properly.
@TrucidOL8R2 жыл бұрын
Amazing video.. honestly I never considered any of these options before
@quinoa80742 жыл бұрын
I was excited when I saw yoshi at 2:00 until I remembered he can't jump out of shield :(
@cancelskawoforgivingmedlib47102 жыл бұрын
The roll thing should still work! You can also just let go of shield
@gerudokupo22252 жыл бұрын
It also works out of mistimed parry, just sayin' :)
@theInstituter2 жыл бұрын
#unbanhax literally still contributes to the community whilst being banned because he speaks the truth.... we don't deserve this, yet he's still pumping out some great content, dare I say more than the average notable melee players. this man loves the game and the community that banned him
@E-Brightvoid2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure he will be calm down
@E-Brightvoid2 жыл бұрын
Also is he even banned rn?
@theInstituter2 жыл бұрын
@@E-Brightvoid yes he's still currently banned from the community, melee online discord, and from attending tourneys, no news as of yet even after his appeal i think
@nicememe86082 жыл бұрын
@@E-Brightvoid being complacent with a menace in your community is not something to be applauded. “being calm” is bullshit
@sharkquisha34072 жыл бұрын
@@nicememe8608 despite some of the outlandish references he made in the video he still had a lot of valid points and testimonies from other people. Him getting banned because Leffen felt "unsafe" only lends credence to his point.
@nihil6262 жыл бұрын
2:00 Wait, did Hax just call Falcon viable?
@ballertheking10382 жыл бұрын
Did you not watch his last tier list?
@Velyren2 жыл бұрын
Are we just answering questions with questions? (Oh no it cant be stopped now)
@christostsipouras72872 жыл бұрын
@@Velyren Did you really intend it to be stopped?
@greg45872 жыл бұрын
@@christostsipouras7287 Do you really think they did?
@Metroyeti172 жыл бұрын
Combo breaker
@clipCommander1012 жыл бұрын
I just started really labbing my out of shield options last night so this is perfect timing
@gnardawgyt2 жыл бұрын
Gotta think of ways to practice this, thanks Hax
@colinmurphy22142 жыл бұрын
Cc and asdi being used as oos options are the most comical examples of them being broken imo
@carterghill2 жыл бұрын
Hax, I have emailed your support team 3 times with no response. My 1.03 ordered was cancelled without notification or reason and I was not refunded. What is going on with your 1.03 memory cards?
@yelv2 жыл бұрын
WAKE UP BABE, NEW HAX MONEY VIDEO
@yurilowell93652 жыл бұрын
Hax you covered Rolls, SG, and Jump, but what about spot dodge with sdi/asdi?
@fragile19642 жыл бұрын
So that means if im getting naired shine pressured as icys i can jump before shined and get a grab??
@patrickmcdunn64982 жыл бұрын
Icies are a little trickier because the shine will send you further due to their low traction. I would lab it out. It's possible that you'd move far enough away that by the time you run or wd back in, they can spot dodge
@WaldoFindsYo2 жыл бұрын
is there a reason u put yoshi in the category that can jump out of shield to combat fox pressure when yoshi cant jump out of shield at all?
@AlexRoseGames2 жыл бұрын
I am stealing asdi down option select while rolling from now on, it's a complete no brainer
@wordsoflove87872 жыл бұрын
You were right all along man
@gerudokupo22252 жыл бұрын
expect... yoshi cant jump out of shield... naw but it is good out of parrying a fox nair lol
@Lampaluile2 жыл бұрын
wooooow the roll option select
@jacobshawn53092 жыл бұрын
This is amazing. Thank you Hax
@marquistf19965 ай бұрын
I think this is something jmook uses at a high level to reverse pressure
@ch3rry8332 жыл бұрын
This game is just amazing and has always some optimizations to do, I love it
@dahuterschuter2 жыл бұрын
Yoshi can't jump out of shield tho
@jugohayashi23892 жыл бұрын
I was about to say... Lol
@isaiahsanderman17422 жыл бұрын
does the second topic, jumping into fox shine, work for mewtwo as well? As in, are there less frames of stun if you jump into the shine?
@lohn25592 жыл бұрын
Mewtwo probably tumbles from shine unfortunately, he’s quite light.
@lohn25592 жыл бұрын
(Not 100% sure though)
@Ganobrator2 жыл бұрын
Why did you include Yoshi in the anti-fox jump out of shield portion? He can't do it.
@donjuan86642 жыл бұрын
I offended that luigi isn't counted as viable...
@wermaus2 жыл бұрын
ah yes it takes effect by frame 6 for all characters including for me a bowser main interesting in consuming melee resources for whom which it definitely doesn't take 9 frames total.
@Swill_2 жыл бұрын
i welcome the roll meta
@lolislayer49442 жыл бұрын
This is so advanced lol
@E-Brightvoid2 жыл бұрын
Now THIS is podracing
@Chef_Cookem2 жыл бұрын
old meme is old 😪
@SufferDYT2 жыл бұрын
Even if you are a character that tumbles from shine you can buffer a tech as you jump also, so it might be decent as them too.
@lohn25592 жыл бұрын
Even if you were to hit the tech, it would be a MUCH worse option than just shielding the shine. Teching takes a long time. By the time you are done teching, you have 0 chance to punish fox, and you yourself are probably going to get punished.
@SufferDYT2 жыл бұрын
@@lohn2559 Not if the fox went for shinegrab, then you would be out before they can punish the tech. Like with every thing in fighting games, it depends.