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Total GPS failure in a Lancair Evolution... can Xavion handle it?

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Austin Meyer

Austin Meyer

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I PLANNED to do some power off approaches in Xavion.. and then lost GPS signal to ALL on-board receivers! Can Xavion continue to display attitude, and extrapolate position, with no GPS available? Let's find out in this real, un-planned case!
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@eljuano28
@eljuano28 4 жыл бұрын
Keeps it interesting, dude. Good scenario to work through in X-plane later.
@jasonmiller5956
@jasonmiller5956 4 жыл бұрын
Lost GPS like this over White Sands a few months ago (it was NOTAMed, so expected). Came in handy that my portable ADS-B receives from not just the USA constellation of GPS but multiple others. It stayed perfectly happy while the Garmin went to dead reckoning.
@MarianKeller
@MarianKeller 4 жыл бұрын
And that's exactly why you don't just want to rely on TSO-compliant GPS receivers. They only receive GPS on one frequency, and have sub-par jamming resistance.
@Jolinator
@Jolinator 3 жыл бұрын
@@MarianKeller What are some good ones you recommend?
@joebloggs8785
@joebloggs8785 4 жыл бұрын
More likely than a failure would be the military jamming nearby for a training exercise. But I guess you would have checked the NOTAMs before the flight, where that would have been mentioned?
@sleepyhorses6100
@sleepyhorses6100 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is probably a joke, but in case it's not, there are GPS outage NOTAM's almost constantly. If you figure out a way to understand when they're actually going to affect you then please let me know.
@joebloggs8785
@joebloggs8785 2 жыл бұрын
@@sleepyhorses6100 It wasn't a joke. There isn't any way to decode if the NOTAMs will actually effect your flight; all you can do is assume that it will and plan accordingly.
@sleepyhorses6100
@sleepyhorses6100 2 жыл бұрын
@@joebloggs8785 ok well I guess you should assume your GPS is going to fail every single flight. I fly near 1000nm legs every week and there are always GPS NOTAMs listed along my route. Maybe 2% of the time I actually have an issue, yet ATC seems to know exactly when they’ll happen. It is NOT obvious via the NOTAM and attempting to decipher each and every one of them, of which there are probably a dozen, is a waste of time given how sporadic they are. Here is just one of many along one of the routes I fly. Keep in mind that this is about 75% of the way down on a list of several thousand words worth of NOTAMs, most of which are irrelevant to my flight: KZFW GPS 01/021 ZFW NAV GPS (FTPKLA GPS 22-01) (INCLUDING WAAS, GBAS, AND ADS-B) MAY NOT BE AVBL WI A 264NM RADIUS CENTERED AT 311155N0930619W (AEX 261031) FL400-UNL, 216NM RADIUS AT FL250, 151NM RADIUS AT 10000FT, 106NM RADIUS AT 4000FT AGL, 56NM RADIUS AT 50FT AGL. DLY 0001-1459 2201130001-2201311459 Edited the last portion in case we are saying the same thing
@sleepyhorses6100
@sleepyhorses6100 2 жыл бұрын
@@joebloggs8785 and just for fun, here is the complete list of JUST the Navigation portion, listed in the order that they are displayed on the briefing. The complete NOTAM list in its native format is bad enough, but this condensed version is more than enough to serve my point. Here it is: KADS ADS 01/013 ADS NAV ILS RWY 15 DME U/S 2201181300-2201212200EST KADS ADS 01/014 ADS NAV ILS RWY 33 DME U/S 2201181300-2201212200EST KADS ADS 11/019 ADS NAV ILS RWY 33 DME UNUSABLE 2111220231-2206282359EST KDAL DAL 04/246 DAL NAV ILS RWY 13R U/S 2104270400-2202212300 KDAL DAL 04/247 DAL NAV ILS RWY 31L U/S 2104270400-2202212300 KHQZ HQZ 01/001 HQZ NAV ILS RWY 18 LOC/GP U/S 2201031615-2207012359 KHQZ HQZ 12/007 HQZ NAV LOC RWY 36 U/S 2112101847-2207012359 KHQZ HQZ 12/004 HQZ NAV PQF NDB U/S 2112101846-2207012359 KHQZ HQZ 12/005 HQZ NAV DME U/S 2112101846-2207012359 KDFW DFW 01/423 DFW NAV ILS RWY 17C U/S 2201181800-2201181900 KDFW DFW 01/424 DFW NAV ILS RWY 35C U/S 2201181800-2201181900 KDFW DFW 01/417 DFW NAV ILS RWY 17C U/S 2201181545-2201181630 KDFW DFW 01/418 DFW NAV ILS RWY 35C U/S 2201181545-2201181630 KDFW DFW 01/106 DFW NAV ILS RWY 13R SPECIAL AUTH CAT II NA 2201061459-2202142359EST BGS BPG 01/005 BGS NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201101311-2202281700 DMN DMN 01/005 DMN NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201071831-2201212000EST CUS ABQ 01/107 CUS NAV VOR/DME NOT MNT 2201121437-2201192000EST KDMN DMN 01/005 DMN NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201071831-2201212000EST KBXK PRC 01/131 BXK NAV TACAN U/S 2201181600-2201182100 BXK PRC 01/131 BXK NAV TACAN U/S 2201181600-2201182100 PKE RAL 01/014 PKE NAV TACAN AZM U/S 2201070702-2201312000EST TNP RAL 01/051 TNP NAV VORTAC U/S 2201172324-2201252000EST KTNP RAL 01/051 TNP NAV VORTAC U/S 2201172324-2201252000EST PSP PSP 01/012 PSP NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201180952-2201212000EST PSP PSP 10/013 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011304-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/012 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011302-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/011 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011301-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/010 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011259-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/009 PSP NAV VOR 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011255-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/008 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011253-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/007 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011252-2204012359 PSP PSP 10/006 PSP NAV VOR 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011247-2204012359 KPSP PSP 01/012 PSP NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201180952-2201212000EST KPSP PSP 10/013 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011304-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/012 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011302-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/011 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011301-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/010 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011259-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/009 PSP NAV VOR 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011255-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/008 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011253-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/007 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011252-2204012359 KPSP PSP 10/006 PSP NAV VOR 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011247-2204012359 KRAL RAL 01/025 RAL NAV VOR U/S 2201181500-2202182359 RAL RAL 01/025 RAL NAV VOR U/S 2201181500-2202182359 KSNA SNA 10/043 SNA NAV OJW LOC TYPE DIRECTIONAL AID RWY 20R LOC/DME NOT MNT 2110251246-2201282359EST KFUL FUL 01/014 FUL NAV ILS RWY 24 LOC/DME U/S 2201170400-2201211500 KFUL FUL 12/014 FUL NAV ILS RWY 24 LOC/DME NOT MNT DLY 0109-1500 2112250109-2201311500 KLGB LGB 01/054 LGB NAV ILS RWY 30 U/S DLY 0600-1415 2201180600-2201211415 KZFW SPS 01/016 SPS NAV TACAN U/S 2201160711-2201192000EST KZFW MLC 01/168 IFI NAV TACAN U/S 2201140433-2201182000EST KZFW GPS 01/021 ZFW NAV GPS (FTPKLA GPS 22-01) (INCLUDING WAAS, GBAS, AND ADS-B) MAY NOT BE AVBL WI A 264NM RADIUS CENTERED AT 311155N0930619W (AEX 261031) FL400-UNL, 216NM RADIUS AT FL250, 151NM RADIUS AT 10000FT, 106NM RADIUS AT 4000FT AGL, 56NM RADIUS AT 50FT AGL. DLY 0001-1459 2201130001-2201311459 KZFW BPG 01/005 BGS NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201101311-2202281700 KZFW FTW 01/052 UKW NAV TACAN U/S 2201031247-2401032000EST KZFW FTW 12/027 UKW NAV VOR U/S 2112011832-2203312000EST KZFW MLC 03/192 IFI NAV VOR U/S 2103161410-2202232000EST KZAB PRC 01/131 BXK NAV TACAN U/S 2201181600-2201182100 KZAB GPS 01/036 ZAB NAV GPS (FTIRCA GPS 22-03) (INCLUDING WAAS, GBAS, AND ADS-B) MAY NOT BE AVBL WI A 271NM RADIUS CENTERED AT 352121N1163405W (HEC 336034) FL400-UNL, 221NM RADIUS AT FL250 148NM RADIUS AT 10000FT 121NM RADIUS AT 4000FT AGL 89NM RADIUS AT 50FT AGL DLY 0700-1330 1830-2230 2201180700-2201182230 KZAB LVS 01/010 FTI NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201171534-2201192000EST KZAB ABQ 01/146 OTO NAV VOR NOT MNT 2201141604-2201202000EST KZAB ABQ 01/107 CUS NAV VOR/DME NOT MNT 2201121437-2201192000EST KZAB DMN 01/005 DMN NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201071831-2201212000EST KZAB GUP 12/004 GUP NAV TACAN U/S 2112081521-2202082000EST KZAB ABQ 09/428 ZUN NAV TACAN AZM U/S 2109302201-2209282000EST KZLA PSP 01/012 PSP NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201180952-2201212000EST KZLA GPS 01/032 ZLA NAV GPS (FTIRCA GPS 22-03) (INCLUDING WAAS, GBAS, AND ADS-B) MAY NOT BE AVBL WI A 271NM RADIUS CENTERED AT 352121N1163405W (HEC 336034) FL400-UNL, 221NM RADIUS AT FL250 148NM RADIUS AT 10000FT 121NM RADIUS AT 4000FT AGL 89NM RADIUS AT 50FT AGL DLY 0700-1330 1830-2230 2201180700-2201182230 KZLA SAN 01/045 JLI NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201180312-2201252000EST KZLA RAL 01/051 TNP NAV VORTAC U/S 2201172324-2201252000EST KZLA DAG 01/005 DAG NAV VORTAC NOT MNT 2201142005-2201192000EST KZLA CRQ 01/015 OCN NAV TACAN U/S 2201132141-2201242000EST KZLA SAN 01/032 BZA NAV TACAN AZM U/S 2201121132-2201192000EST KZLA RAL 01/014 PKE NAV TACAN AZM U/S 2201070702-2201312000EST KZLA HHR 11/071 LHS NAV VORTAC U/S 2111191826-2301302359EST KZLA PSP 10/013 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011304-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/012 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011302-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/011 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011301-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/010 PSP NAV TACAN/DME 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011259-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/009 PSP NAV VOR 066-090 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011255-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/008 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 23NM UNUSABLE 2110011253-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/007 PSP NAV VOR 040-065 BEYOND 20NM SFC-9000FT UNUSABLE 2110011252-2204012359 KZLA PSP 10/006 PSP NAV VOR 320-039 BEYOND 15NM SFC-7300FT UNUSABLE 2110011247-2204012359 KZLA HHR 09/086 VTU NAV VOR/DME NOT MNT 2109201551-2202152000EST
@maikerumine
@maikerumine 4 жыл бұрын
Beautiful bird you have there! Great demo, I think this video would be a major selling point for the app.
@plumros
@plumros 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Austin, did you check no one has trademarked "GPS failure" before you did this video?
@flyingaddiction6258
@flyingaddiction6258 4 жыл бұрын
Your aircraft is stunning
@miller745
@miller745 4 жыл бұрын
Would Xavion be any use for single engine VFR helicopters?
@joecoupon8299
@joecoupon8299 4 жыл бұрын
Ingenious! It's like the tried and true old school ILS pre-GPS. Just wondering, is there a bobblehead of you in the glove compartment?
@fairdox
@fairdox 4 жыл бұрын
any chance to get it on android ? still patent troll issues ?
@a-hvlogs2046
@a-hvlogs2046 4 жыл бұрын
Love it! i use this app
@Handskemager
@Handskemager 2 жыл бұрын
Insane the Garmins don’t have an IMU in them :/ kinda scary tbh
@LiveFlyGuy
@LiveFlyGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Can you plsss link those cargo shorts ;)
@manni88
@manni88 4 жыл бұрын
May I ask then that flight took place exactly? Had a similar problem some weeks ago.
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
May 9, 2020, mid South Carolina.
@na.5010
@na.5010 4 жыл бұрын
Hey dude fan of your channel, nice app. What programs do you use to create your LOCATION based/g.p.s. app? Awesome app btw, can be handy if in a flight predicament.
@runninggames771
@runninggames771 2 жыл бұрын
Xcode
@guitarbornshadow
@guitarbornshadow 4 жыл бұрын
did you make Xavion all alone
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer 4 жыл бұрын
yes
@baseballlife5884
@baseballlife5884 3 жыл бұрын
When you lose GPS on the Garmin does the electronic gyro still function?
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer 3 жыл бұрын
yep!
@asho1735
@asho1735 Жыл бұрын
some folks put GPS-only $80k panels in their IFR airplanes.. Seems like putting too many eggs in one basket, although something tells me this particular GPS failure was not entirely unplanned 😜
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer Жыл бұрын
I SWEAR this was unplanned... but also, I have since learned what caused it!
@asho1735
@asho1735 Жыл бұрын
@@austinmeyer you seemed so calm/undisturbed after the 100% loss of GPS in flight that's why i thought this was a planned test. I believe some of these devices support multiple constellations (the non TSO ones) I'm curious what caused the total outage..
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer Жыл бұрын
@@asho1735 Eh. Easy to be calm in day VFR where I fly all the time. OK. Outage caused by: THE LAV MICROPHONE. Crazy, but true. Every time I set up for recording, the GPS went out. True story. Took me a while to figure it out.
@randuxy
@randuxy 3 жыл бұрын
Does your aircraft or even LancAir aircraft in general have a Anti-Icing systems?
@austinmeyer
@austinmeyer 3 жыл бұрын
I dont. Some do. De-ice slows you down a bit my disrupting wing airflow. Soooooo... no good for me.
@randuxy
@randuxy 3 жыл бұрын
​@@austinmeyer Thanks for answering, I have been looking into personal aircraft and found LancAir because of one of your videos but could not find the answer on De-ice so, i thought i would ask you since you own one. By the way i Love your pure Geeky passion you have for this stuff it is refreshing seeing someone on KZfaq that isn't fake.
@XFlight69
@XFlight69 4 жыл бұрын
Can you do another Tesla video? :)
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