Great review as always, but I'm curious if you've had a chance to drive the Supra with the windows down. I saw a guy who was driving one a few weeks ago and he said the buffeting inside the cabin with one or both windows down makes it extremely uncomfortable to do so. Given the absence of a sunroof or t-tops, it seems like the Supra's buffeting issue could turn people off, especially those who drive in areas where the climate is warmer year round.

I'm agree with the porsche cayman 718 cayman gts has launched control but the Toyota Supra GR Exhaust Sound really good with the crackles and pop

I was hoping this was a comparison between the Supra and 718 Cayman GTS 4.0.

The only thing that car carry is the badge name Toyota nothing more.

I thought you had sold your Porsche 718 Cayman GTS. What happened that you did not sell it?

Leveraged that’s what made them desirable. You wouldn’t want them anymore if you see one in every driveway

You get what you pay for... buy a Toyota an get that shitty plastic interior...

Yup. you get what you pay for.. luxury + reliability... its usually either or lol

Porsche any day of the week.

One Kxng Supra is 90% BMW so you’re not getting reliability

The Cayman rear end is ugly. Porsche had to hit it with an ugly bat so not everyone buys it over the 911. Supra looks much better.

well said

It's weak because the engine isn't there

@@romeundernero No, i love the Cayman rear, it's looks exotic

Don't like the Supra rear end. Not a fan of the Porsche rear end either (ever), but at least it's timeless (same as 911s forever). I don't know about other people but I would never buy a Supra over a Porsche. The problem with the Supra is the cabin (and interior) is too small compared to the body (flared fenders/ rear quarter panels). The wing is too small also. The Supra is fast and nimble to be sure, but the cost (overall price to performance and features) is way to high compared to other cars you can buy for the same money.

I've never driven manual. With what Porsche is doing, there's no benefit to manual.

@@JohnFromAccounting There's no benefit period. Automatic transmissions have been superior for the past like 15 years

I bought a manual 124 spider in the last few years. my brother, though, even though I raised him to drive manual sports cars, now drives automatic luxury SUVs, lol.

@@abaddon3735 manual transmissions are cheaper to manufacture and should lower the cost of a new car - even though at many dealerships that might not be the case, lol.

Yes! These people don't get what shifting pain is

Didn't even talk about frunks

People that wants a sports car and is not super rich and can only afford having 1 car, like me...

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Savagegeese. Jay Leno's Garage. Harry's Garage. TheSmokingTire. Throttle House. Doug De... that's it.

Porn hub for me..

Throttle house, Complete Street Performance, Horsepower Obsessed

@@spaceoner1 those and Throttle house, Complete Street Performance, Horsepower Obsessed

Adam S nope

It will very be a legend, it's a bmw

Steph, I adore your love for the new Supra, but your inability to articulate it gave me a stroke.

DC Williams GTR IS A LEGEND

People really find this car beautiful? lol I just don't see it

I really like the Supra, don't get me wrong, but it's just about ALL BMW

It’s a Porsche vs a BMW with Toyota badges.

They didnt create it, its all made at a BMW factory in Australia, it just has the badges

The previous Z4 coupe and roadster has always competed against the Boxster and Cayman. The only reason why the GR Supra benchmarked the Cayman was because that's what BMW wanted. The Supra is a good car but not what most enthusiasts probably wanted. I'd rather have a Cayman or used Cayman S/GTS.

I know, after all that talk about BMW being the Ultimate Driving Machine

Even a similar spec 2.0ltr cayman is like 140k drive away. The Porsche mark-ups here make the Supra great value.

Ouch

Here in Europe uses Toyota Supra is crazy expencive 40.000 US $ and up, often they cost more used then they did when new... Porche is half to 1/4 the price.

800whp. There were some already touching over the 700whp territory and barely a month after one broke the record of 822whp on stock internals but with the fear that the rods would twist if they went any higher.

For those hating on Toyota they actually designed the cup holders on the Supra...Lol speed is overrated with this car. Get me an original car.

I'll take the Porsche over the BMW.

sounds like you've never seen an old lady drive around and get groceries in a porsche panarama - because that is what new porsche owners are thrilled to buy, lol.

Naw

Very nostalgic too

Lol @ 4 cylinder over 50 grand... The nerve of these ninjas

I said that until I drove one.

Then I had it tuned and it blew my mind and gets 2 mpg better gas mileage to boot..

@@cstraley which program?

Thank you for sharing!! I might just go with the Supra right now as well with that price

@@fmendoza1994 not sure where you are located but there's one near me who is selling a red Supra for $46K. Check out heritagetoyotacatonsville.com

Numerous dyno runs proved firsrt year Supra was underrated from factory, so you already have ~370bhp.

How did you get 8 years warranty?

Malik McIntosh yeah bmw did a good job on that car

@@yamen16 Does the bmw z4 sound like the supra?

ricky sanchez They sound similar if you really focus hard on it but the Supra screams a lot more than the Z4. I definitely feel like the Supra sings in the mid range and high rpms and is totally more dramatic in terms of sound than the BMW is. Frankly, other cars that have the B58 engine sound nothing like the Supra (or even the Z4) because of them riding on a unique platform.

@@nf1369 So if I threw some aftermarket exhausts on a z4, could it sound like the Supra?

@@ricky-sanchez I've already heard a Z4 with aftermarket exhaust for some reason it does have a slight different tone to it. I guess Toyota did tune the B58 in the Supra.

Not here, Supra is crazy expensive used, they go up in price when used and cost more then the new price...

They really are. I picked mine up a couple days ago. How's yours holding up so far?

@@robinpaydon7139 12K miles in 3 months... still rides like a dream 👍🏼👍🏼

@@Ultreras I'm glad to hear it, have you made any mods or are you keeping it stock?

One of the 2 cars has better badge engineering.

Dead 🤣😂

-_- The Supra's engine, chassis and transmission were co-developed by Toyota AND BMW. Not just BMW. After that both manufacturers split off to make the rest of the cars. (I get the joke though)

Toyota 86 the engine was not “co-produced” with Toyota. That is a BMW engine which went through Toyota’s rigorous QandC process before putting it in the Supra. There are also BMW stamps in the engine bay and the engine itself. Please do your research before typing

what about the A90 owners tho?

The new 4.0 is 10k more than the previous GTS and in the real world as a daily driver it's not as good as the 2.5

James Barnicoat and it can’t be tuned as well

@@jamesbarnicoat4504 why is not as good fit daily driving???

Add a big rear wing, a front lip and some side skirts and it is even more aggressive looking then the Supra, top it of by puting on a wide body kit on and it looks just amazing and totally different ... Do the same on the Supra and then it is even more badass lol ;) I do love how the Supra look with wide body kit and full styling...

Or buy a used Cayman, here the Cayman cost 1/3 to 1/4 as much as a used Supra as the used Supra is crazy expensive...

santiago leon steinberg Except the gts has the flat 6

revaholic also... he has owned the Cayman for 2 years.

Casey F Ryback because he leased it 🤦🏻‍♂️

Nyezaire Mclean you sound like somebody who makes purchases based on brand alone. Shallow.

@@Theesvpremekai hes not wrong though Toyota doesnt compare to Porsche. Rather buy the brand itself than a rebadged item. Just saying.

Eliazar Perez people who have driven both cars have said they feel like two different cars. I don’t see why this argument is still a thing coming from people who have never even been in either of them.

I got Porsche slightly used 50k mileage , can’t even compare it to Supra . Also I’m biased hah so far so happy with the Porsche

Slightly used to me means less than 15k miles with most of the warranty intact. Can't find a used Cayman that's costs in the 50 grand range with those things

@@anishpatel6014 Pre-Covid you could fairly easily but it’s a whole different world now in terms of pricing and availability.

Less than 15k mileage in my country a cayman you would get for around 7000-7500 US dollar. Best of luck for finding one

@@Adelextube you can't find one cheap here either..which is why it should be better than a supra and it is better. But for what a supra costs it's a great car too.

The buffeting is terrible - but - for less than $50 you can buy little wedges that mount by the mirrors eliminating the problem. Same kind of thing they’ve used on Porsche’s

Lol it not 5k more

only 5K more ??? my ass

Forrest's Auto Reviews Thanks Forrest! Saw your Supra video too, loved the burnouts and drifting ;) we’ll be announcing what we’re replacing the Cayman with this week. Stay well out there and hope to see you soon!

KiraOnii Chan They can’t. The most obvious reason is the different chassis (dimensions), but the more, less known reason (unless you know a thing or two about engineering), is that there are many regulations a vehicle must meet in so many different countries/states. One example is the the fender has to sit over the wheel. Another example is that the headlights have to be a certain height. The FT1 headlights are too low. If they redid the headlights, it would affect how the car looks, creating a domino effect on the rest of the look and destroying the aerodynamics. This is why the production cars never keep the concept cars’ look. Concept cars are sculpted with complete freedom and the stylists go to town with them (stylists do not study the regulations). Bottom line: once everyone in the company gets their 2¢ in, including air bags (smart air bags are regulated by the USA now), bumper beams, and door height requirements, the car looks completely different once it’s made “federal.”

Tbf I don't see it working either way since Toyota already gets criticized for having old interiors in certain cars would make it any better in this.

I actually can tell you why it sounds bad. BMW pumps in a bit of engine noise through the speakers and doesn’t do the Toyota/Lexus strategy where they take the noise directly from the engine bay/intake itself. Since this car was codeveloped with the Z4, it shares that BMW quality too. If you actually disable the engine noises through the speakers, the speaker sound improves ten-fold.

Navid F I’m actually considering buying one but the speakers are almost a deal breaker, is it simple to turn the pumped in noise off?

@@stilljt2864 Unfortunately you need to get a OBD2 port or something of the like and plug it into the Supra in order to turn it off. It's something that you can buy online and can help you. I would go on SupraMkV.com as someone there actually did this.

@@stilljt2864 speakers would make you not buy a car? Cheapest mod you could possibly do

He only means the cylinder configuration

@@mr.dankengine Yeah they broke like EVERY other rule tho.

@@jjsmithlago1234 what rule? Mark iv had yamaha engine , just 300hp and it was really slow, tunability was the main plus and these b58 are also very tunable

Indra Garg JZA80 TT Manual supra did 0-100 in 4.7 seconds back in 94 how’s that slow?

Jaion Cebollero i like driving manual as much as anyone, but why are people still on about manuals in “sports cars” in what modern motorsport are cars still using h pattern syncro’d manual transmissions? There arent any because they arent good for motor sport, theyre fun to drive so if you would buy it for that reason alone fine, but objectively it does not make it a better “sports car”

@@kodylaird9342 So because it's *not in motorsports, that means it has no place?

Son White what line of my response made you draw that erroneous conclusion?

And the $40k difference?

Stevorn Richards well, that is a consideration. My point is unless I’m driving a McLaren, Lamborghini or Ferrari, I need my sports car to have a manual transmission.

@@swpdisciple greetings fellow manual lover.

Did toyota ever put a manual option in the supra?

I bought one a few months ago and it's a really fun car but draws ALOT of attention

50k is nowhere near budget

@@khailils446 budget if you compare it to 100k cars. 50k is definitely not cheap but we're comparing to a different class of brand here.

@@khailils446 MK4 A80 Supra when it was in Dealerships was expensive!

Skyline drive

Badge engineering will always kill certain brands.

true, not even base cayman is to comper to long term. supra is good tuning car, that is reason everyone is buying them

@@jhorvat8478 The Supra is a beamer..... Porsches are way more reliable than BMW's according to Consumer Reports. People are buying Supras for novelty because they're a bunch of Paul Walker wannabes these ar the same suckers that bought the BRZ's.

@@jjsmithlago1234 if that we're true so many people wouldn't be dropping a bunch of power nor throwing those things on tracks or strips like they are now.

JJ Smith - Deeeeeeerp!

One reason, yes.

Is that funny to you?

Yes.

See. People put the mk4 up as a sportscar so Toyota made the mk5 a sportscar for that reason. Plus the mk4 is just a rebodied SC300 with a engine from a aristo so u might aswell get a SC for way less than a mk4.

lots of buffering yeah. But theres a lot of cheap aftermarket little mirror spoiler things that fix it already. So definitely fixeable

@@ciello___8307 thanks!

its just a boy racer car. The Porsche is the real thing. It has class.

@@travis8665 its simply a matter of taste. A socially normalized, level-headed car enthusiast will enjoy either of these two vehicles and appreciate them for what they are.

@@travis8665 both are great, for me, a poor dude, the supra wins just because of price, if money is not a problem a cayman gt4 is the way to go, or even better a 911 gt3 rs

@@ricardorodrigues3508 It's not like the Supra is exactly cheap, if you can afford a Supra then you might as well save a little more and get a car that is measurably better, better built, more luxurious interior and with a badge that represents decades of racing pedigree instead of just a rebadged BMW.

@@X50505 good point

Or buy a Supra 3.0 for yourself plus a Supra 2.0 for your kid, at the same price as one 718 GTS haha

I would agree if u couldn't get a vette for around the same price.

@@Lionsheartification You win the internet!!!

@@Lionsheartification vette sucks. Those are just muscle cars. These are real sports cars.

Lionsheartification except you can’t.

Pretty sure the Porsche has the soul as well. The Supra is basically a Toyota dressed BMW Z4... I'm oversimplifying but the point remains valid.

I am 6’1” 205 with wide shoulders. I got no issue in my Supra.

@@flynnzero9282 I'm glad.