Expert ONLY Porsche 356 Suspension Rebuild? Really....

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Garage Time - DIY Porsche Restoration

4 жыл бұрын

Can a non-expert rebuild the Porsche 356 king pin suspension? I feel like the hard part is over now that I've completely disassembled my cars front end. HINT: It's not that hard.
I'm lucky to have some factory inspection tools that do help check if your suspension components are bent. P69 and P70
One of my homemade tools disintegrated under pressure which was fun. However I'm not discouraged and I'm sure I can those bearings out with an easily machined tool.
Please enjoy this long video and if you do attempt this yourself, please be careful when using a shop press. Things can break without warning.
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@ATfabNfix64 3 ай бұрын

I starting on mine this week. My 63 T6 was put together by a flipper In Newport Beach with whatever they had laying around just to get as a roller. After major metal work from rust and major wreck I’m about to attack this mess. Unfortunately I do t have access to those factory tools. Maybe the swap meet on April 28 2024 at empi in Orange will have someone there that has those tools that I can check my stuff. Your videos help me along on this 1 1/2 year so far build. Thanks again

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 ай бұрын

Cool, best of luck on your project. I'm in Huntington Beach if you want to check your parts. My email is in the about tab Tom

@ATfabNfix64 3 ай бұрын

Great I ordered a control arm from a guy on samba yesterday . The one on the right was replace with a pre a one. The car was in a pretty bad accident and flipped over. Got all the rust repaired and all body work is done . I want to short out the suspension before I paint it. When I get the arm and clean up all the parts I’ll message you to arrange a time to meet at your convenience. I’m pretty close by in Diamond bar. Thanks Andre

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 ай бұрын

Cool, meet you soon👍

@CTmoog 4 жыл бұрын

The 356 is going to be one sweet ride! Nice work on the king pins! That P69 tool is nice!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks CT, it's nice to have piece of mind these old parts aren't bent!

@openhighwayproductions 4 жыл бұрын

Green for the WIN! Very lucky young man. Complex front end service but with the correct tools and gumption most certainly doable.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

No doubt a lot of work to do this service. I prefer to DIY though just for the experience and understanding of how it works.

@HeidiandFranny 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! I need to get to this on our '58. Great to see! F

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome! Be safe and feel free to reach out if you suspect something might be bent. I can check it for you.

@roundtailrestoration 4 жыл бұрын

Wow. Never would have thought it was that complicated. Cool factory tools. Love that kind of stuff. Great job, Tom. The 911 is going to be sweet, but I'd have to agree with you son - like the 356!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris! They are quirky cars for sure. There's definitely a soft spot in my heart for the 356 too. Each car is a totally different theme. One is classy and one is nasty.

@polloloci21 4 жыл бұрын

I love having the right tools-

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

These tools are handy😀

@Dave_Boyer 4 жыл бұрын

Very cool! It’s neat to have those test fixtures.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Dave! Very cool tools indeed

@richardw3377 4 жыл бұрын

Very generous offer to check our (clean) parts! Putting my ‘63 S90 coupe together after being apart for 10+ years. Haven’t gotten to the suspension and brakes yet. Excellent videos; beautiful car!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

These 356 are time consuming eh? Mines been apart for 10 years too😀. Happy to check your parts when the time comes

@richardw3377 4 жыл бұрын

Garage Time - Restomod Thank you! BTW...I have the same workshop manual, and like yours, it does not go to the garage. I copy the relevant pages and the copies go to the bench. Sometimes I just take a phone photo of the material I need. What a valuable document.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%. I also have the spare parts catalogs 👍 But Bill Romano's consolidated version is even better!

@michaellorenson2997 Жыл бұрын

I think the expansion from heating the kingpin assembly probably helps break the bond between them. As the diameter of both bore and kingpin expand (at the same rate), the bond is disturbed to some extent. In any case, if you can't something like that apart, heat always seems to be the ultimate answer.

@GarageTimeAutoResto Жыл бұрын

I agree, try heat vibration and penetrating oil on stubborn parts. Behind the scenes I've been breaking apart parts that have been left outside. I bought 14 pallets of Porsche parts mostly for resale. I've been able to get everything apart eventually 🙂. Some things have to soak for days though.

@Albert87nl 4 жыл бұрын

Ohh Yesshh Weekend be like..! epic porsche build video.... !=D!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching, keep coming back every weekend!

@vayabroder729 3 жыл бұрын

Great video and your kid with the guitar makes it better. As a car buff/long time musician I can definitely appreciate it. In my arsenal of instruments I have one of those Squier guitars albeit hotrodded with better electronics and hardware. They’re fantastic instruments for the price. At the time I was learning you needed to pay at least $800 for a decent guitar to play on; nowadays you can find decent quality sometimes for even less that $100.00.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I'm learning more about guitars now. My son and I are making one on a CNC machine. Maybe will share a few clips if the process. My kid has picked out all the electronics already.

@carlosherrera7822 4 жыл бұрын

Great Episode Tom!!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks! Hope to have the assembly video ready soon

@miked356b 3 жыл бұрын

It's nice to see people take the challenge to keep these cars alive. The responsibility belongs to the current owners as we are only caretakers.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 жыл бұрын

Caretaker is a good way to put it. Everyone wants to complain about the previous caretaker, but everyone does what they need to do to keep these cars on the road.

@miked356b 3 жыл бұрын

@@GarageTimeAutoResto I know what you mean, I want to leave a note in there.

@DoubleRRestorations 4 жыл бұрын

Very nice Tom! I have a time trying to find a part to use to press out other parts. Nice work. I'm guessing the goal is to try to get the 356 back on its wheels

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

I know what you mean. I have bins of extra steel just for this kind of stuff. My problem is finding just the right piece in a messy shop, ha ha

@tpmalu 4 жыл бұрын

Man love the green porsche

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thank, me too and Zach's favorite

@grantroberts4231 4 жыл бұрын

great episode. lotta nitty gritty.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Grant!

@cybersurfer2010 4 жыл бұрын

Matching numbers and matching music!!!

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

A coincidence?

@partsguy223 2 жыл бұрын

The reason the spindle would not fit the P69 tool properly is you are missing the supplemental parts to work with 356c spindles it is a set of spacer/adapter rings (p69a)

@GarageTimeAutoResto 2 жыл бұрын

Ok thanks, where do I get those?

@partsguy223 2 жыл бұрын

@@GarageTimeAutoResto They come up for sale occasionally on the 356 registry classifieds and the samba

@ebutuoyebutouy 4 жыл бұрын

Do kingpin bushings really need replacement? Yup essential to replace kingpin thrust washer. Also found that only linkpin bushings are required: linkpins themselves ok.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Everyone's car is different I suppose. My link pins were trashed, new bushings would be loose for sure. My king pins are worn and you can feel a line in the king pin bushings. The line is right where the grease grove is on the pin. When I bought my car it lived on a dirt road, and it was poorly maintained. I'm going with all new stuff and I should never need to do this again.

@Albert87nl 4 жыл бұрын

28:57 holy moly that Metal conditioner is neat! .. i did look up for Rm 108. but seems to be typical PRO/IND application/sold only.. you happen to have somthing thats availeble at body shops or somthing :O cus i can figure out a few locations on my block to tidy up with that stuff .. reaaly njoy this video once more. seeing you tackle the things likea Treu DIY road Warrior (y)

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Mine is Dupont 5717s. I hope that's the right part number. If not let me know. Good stuff!

@Albert87nl 4 жыл бұрын

@@GarageTimeAutoResto Thanks man :) ill investigate it. the upper part of my VR6 engine block could use this treatment with out sanding or blastig it xD! . i want to restore it to nea factory finish with out to much evidence its actually been done haha :P

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

@@Albert87nl cool, if it's a rough casting the steel wool might not work as well as a hand brush. Keep the surface wet and just let it do it's thing with some agitation.

@danadensham5908 4 жыл бұрын

Hey Tom I watch all your videos and love your work, I do have a question for you and it is that, in your video you talked about making sure that a longer bolt was installed to stop the front tires hitting the cars inner body, is this absolutely needed, as I wonder if the constant hitting the bolt on full turn would finally wear it down to be useless, would it make more sense to use two longer bolts on the one side and looking at the two parts that connect the king pin together, would using the entire length of the them, without the extended bolt makes more sense, please either answer me here or add a note into your next assembly video of the parts so that I will know what I need to do? Cheers Gil.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for watching. You may have noticed that I didn't back that bolt out with the impact wrench. I used a ratchet instead because the end was a little mushroomed or the threads weren't pristine. I'll have a look at it again when it goes back together, but my guess is that it's random if two bolts would contact at the same time. Most of the load will be on one or the other and it will wear first. I don't think this is a high wear item. Probably not worth thinking too much about it. Other than don't leave it out.

@PatBuckleyracecar 3 жыл бұрын

At around 14:00 - if you see wear on ONE side of almost any of those parts it is a pretty good assumption that they are bent.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 жыл бұрын

Right! I spent a lot time studying and measuring this stuff to know it's straight. I also checked the torsion tubes in the car and had to make some adjustments there too.

@johnthrossel9981 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the great video. You mentioned someone who collects old Porsche tools in San Diego, can I get his contact info. I am looking for a spindle checker and would love to see if he has one.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 2 жыл бұрын

He doesn't sell tools as far as I know, but his name is Jon Bunin

@jamesherrle3978 3 жыл бұрын

Which tool is used to extract the suspension arms from the torsion tubes ?

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 жыл бұрын

I seem to remember using a rubber hammer. Once the pointed Allen bolt is removed there isn't a press fit or anything holding it on.

@martinduchesne3658 3 жыл бұрын

hi ' is there a way to obtain these tools or rent them ? and congrats on these videos.

@GarageTimeAutoResto 3 жыл бұрын

Not that I know of unfortunately. I won't loan or rent mine because I'm so worried about the scarcity. I will check your parts though at no cost just because I think it's important. Also check out the video on torsion tube alignment.

@jdguillot8647 4 жыл бұрын

That was a hammer you made for the bodywork inside the floor, right?

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Yep, you got it man! A tool for reaching inside the tunnel to push out dents.

@UUL442 4 жыл бұрын

Tom - Where can I find the next part of the Video ? - Mike UK

@GarageTimeAutoResto 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Mike, are you referring to the assembly? I haven't recorded that one yet, ha ha. I do weekly videos, but I'm working on two cars at the moment. Please check back with ahh garage time in a few weeks. I've ordered the parts!